Neil Peart voted drummer of the year
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Posted By: drummer40
Subject: Neil Peart voted drummer of the year
Date Posted: July 10 2008 at 00:59
Hi: First of all, thanks and props to PROG ACHIVES for having such a great site! And, thanks to the dedicated, educated community.
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Neil Peart's Progressive Percussion Proves Itself Again; Nominated “Drummer Of The Year” For A Second Time in DRUM! Magazine's Drummies 2008; Selected “Best Live Performer” As Well
San Jose, Calif – He's done it again: Neil Peart has been selected “Drummer Of The Year” in DRUM! Magazine's Drummies 2008, a prestigious reader survey contest comprised of 42 categories, conducted by Enter Music Publishing, publishers of hip/drum percussion magazines worldwide. More than 5000 drummers nominated Peart; the runners-up were Stanton Moore, Mike Portnoy and Jimmy Sullivan.
Additionally, Peart won “Best Live Performer.”
“Peart has definitely shown his influence on drummers of all ages and walks of life,” said Phil Hood, publisher of Enter Music Publishing. “At the same time, the runners-up demonstrate the diversity of taste that our readers have. All of the winners have clearly proven their commitment to the drumming arts.”
Stanton Moore is a good example of a drummer, as Hood aptly notates, who is so obsessed with forwarding traditional New Orleans drumming in the spirit of stuttin' drummers, such as Zig Modeliste, Russell Batiste and Johnny Vidacovich. He was the cover of DRUM! in January of this year.
The winners of this year's Drummies will be published in DRUM!'s August issue and announced publicly on over 500 web sites and media outlets beginning July 1 in a comprehensive campaign. The August Issue of DRUM! Magazine hits newsstands officially on July 14.
The winners and runners-up are listed in order below. Enter Music Publishing would like to, once again, congratulate all of them.
DRUM SET CATEGORIES Best Drummer of the Year–WINNER: Neil Peart. Runners-Up: Stanton Moore, Mike Portnoy, Jimmy Sullivan Best Rising Star–WINNER: Thomas Pridgen. Runners-Up: Cody Hanson, Matt Smith, Spencer Smith Best Progessive–WINNER: Mike Portnoy. Runners-Up: Neil Peart, Gavin Harrison, Danny Carey Best Metal–WINNER: Chris Adler. Runners-Up: Jason Bittner, Joey Jordison, Brann Dailor Best Jam Band–WINNER: Carter Beauford. Runners-Up: Stanton Moore, Matt Abts, Jim Donovan Best Jazz–WINNER: Steve Smith. Runners-Up: Peter Erskine, Billy Hart, Billy Kilson Best Funk–WINNER: Chad Smith. Runners-Up: Stanton Moore, Zoro, Aaron Spears Best Urban–WINNER: ?uestlove. Runners-Up: Aaron Spears, Trevor Lawrence Jr., Teddy Campbell Best Mainstream Pop–WINNER: Taylor Hawkins. Runners-Up: Neil Peart, Chad Smith, Travis Barker Best Alternative–WINNER: Sam Loeffler. Runners-Up: Brooks Wackerman , Atom Willard, Travis Barker Best Punk–WINNER: Travis Barker. Runners-Up: TrÈ Cool, Brooks Wackerman, Bill Stevenson Best R&B/Blues–WINNER: Zoro. Runners-Up: Stanton Moore, Aaron Spears, Teddy Campbell Best Country–WINNER: Jim Riley. Runners-Up: Paul Leim, Eddie Bayers, Ben Sesar Best Drum Clinician–WINNER: Thomas Lang. Runners-Up: JoJo Mayer, Stanton Moore, Mike Mangini Best Studio–WINNER: Vinnie Colaiuta. Runners-Up: Steve Gadd, Josh Freese, Rodney Holmes Best Live Performer–WINNER: Neil Peart. Runners-Up: Stanton Moore, Jimmy Sullivan, Mike Portnoy
INDUSTRY AND PRODUCT CATEGORIES Best Drum Kit–WINNER: DW Collector's Twisted Exotics. Runners-Up: Pearl Masters MCX, Tama Starclassic Perfomer Bubinga/Birch, Ludwig Legacy Best Snare Drum–WINNER: Black Panther Thick Flame Maple. Runners-Up: Tama 13" Warlord Limited Edition, Pro-Mark 50th Anniversary, Yamaha 14" x 5.5" Kabuto Best Custom Drum Maker–WINNER: SJC. Runners-Up: Pork Pie, Craviotto, Orange County Drums & Percussion Best Cymbal –WINNER: Zildjian Armand Series. Runners-Up: Sabian 20" HHX Evolution O-Zone Crash, Paiste Twenty Series, Zildjian 22" K Medium Dark Ride Best Drumhead–WINNER: Evans EC1. Runners-Up: Remo Powerstroke X Snare, Remo Vintage A, Aquarian Super-2 Best Sticks–WINNER: Vic Firth Danny Carey Nylon Tip Signature. Runners-Up: Vater Limited Edition 2007 Stewart Copeland Standard, Zildjian Backbeat Series, Pro-Mark Chris Adler model Best Hardware–WINNER: DW 8000 Series Pedals. Runners-Up: Tama Iron Cobra Rolling Glide Pedals with Cobra Coil Speed Spring, Pearl 900 Series, Tama Stage Master Best Percussion–WINNER: LP John Dolmayan Mini-Timbale. Runners-Up: Pearl Travel Conga, LP More Cowbell Ridge Rider Bell Pack, Remo Key-Tuned Djembe Best Accessory–WINNER: Zildjian Travis Barker Artist Series Bags. Runners-Up: Vater Safe 'N Sound Earplugs, SKB Roto-X cases, Aquarian Super-Thin Kickpads Best Electronic Percussion–WINNER: Roland HD-1 V-Drums Lite. Runners-Up: Yamaha DTXpress IV, Roland PM-01 Personal Monitor, Alesis DM5 Pro
PERCUSSIONIST CATEGORIES Best Percussionist of the Year–WINNER: Luis Conte. Runners-Up: Giovanni Hidalgo, Fausto Cuevas, Taku Hirano Best Rising Star–WINNER: Cesar Espinoza. Runners-Up: Carlos Maldonado, A.B. Bermudez, Eric Velez Best Latin–WINNER–Richie Flores. Runners-Up: A.B. Bermudez, Giovanni Hidalgo, Poncho Sanchez Best Jazz/Fusion–WINNER: Sammy Figueroa. Runners-Up: Richie Flores, A.B. Bermudez, Cyro Baptista Best Percussion Clinician–WINNER: Jesus Diaz. Runners-Up: Giovanni Hidalgo, Alex AcuÒa, Valerie Naranjo Best Rock/Pop–WINNER: Luis Conte. Runners-Up: Fausto Cuevas, Raul Rekow, Jim Donovan Best Worldbeat–WINNER: Valerie Naranjo. Runners-Up: Zakir Hussain, Taku Hirano, Cyro Baptista Best Percussion Ensemble–WINNER: Hip Pickles. Runners-Up: Blue Man Group, San Jose Taiko, Concord Blue Devils Best Drum Circle Facilitator–WINNER: Jim Donovan. Runners-Up: Valerie Naranjo, John Scalici, Chet Doboe Best Studio–WINNER: Luis Conte. Runners-Up: Lenny Castro, Emil Richards, Robert Vilera Best Live Performer–WINNER: Marc QuiÒones. Runners-Up: Alex AcuÒa, Hip Pickles, Jim Donovan
MEDIA CATEGORIES Best DVD–WINNER: Secret Weapons for the Modern Drummer by Jojo Mayer. Runners-Up: In Constant Motion by Mike Portnoy, Ultimate Realistic Rock by Carmine Appice, Billy Cobham Live At 60 by Billy Cobham Best Book–WINNER: On The Beaten Path: The Drummer’s Guide to Musical Styles and the Legends Who Defined Them by Rich Lackowski. Runners-Up: Drumming Out of the Shadows by Jason Bittner, Hands, Grooves and Fills by Pat Petrillo, Jimi Hendrix: Smash Hits Play-Along Best Drumming Album–WINNER: Hellyeah by Hellyeah. Runners-Up: Obzen by Meshuggah, Avenged Sevenfold by Avenged Sevenfold, Echoes, Silence, Patience & Grace by Foo Fighters Best Hand Percussion Album–WINNER: The Magician by Sammy Figueroa. Runners-Up: Global Drum Project by Mickey Hart, Akir Hussain, Sikiru Adepoju, and Giovanni Hidalgo, Raise Your Hand by Poncho Sanchez, Marimbula by Luis Conte Best Web Site–WINNER: drummerworld.com. Runners-Up: pearldrum.com, drumsmith.com, drumbum.com Best Print Advertisement–WINNER: Pearl “Chad Smith Grammy Magnet.” Runners-Up: DW “My Name Is,” Pro-Mark “Say It With Your Music,” Tama “Blue Man Group”
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Posted By: rushaholic
Date Posted: July 10 2008 at 07:31
IMO - Neil is the best drummer around.
Congrats to Neil!
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Posted By: Nil Recurring
Date Posted: July 10 2008 at 12:09
Neil Peart??? Must be a Tsunami of rush fanboys who voted on that!
Neil Peart is one of the most overrated drummers in prog IMO. Drummers like Gavin Harrison, Virgil Donati deserve the tittle much more!
And Mike Portnoy as best progressive.. OMFG :S
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Posted By: Kestrel
Date Posted: July 10 2008 at 12:37
There must have been a better drumming performance on some album last year...
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: July 10 2008 at 13:03
Why am I not surprised?
And I agree with the post above.
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: July 10 2008 at 14:13
That's the trouble with democracy, you cant argue when someone has the most votes.. ![](smileys/smiley2.gif)
Try to remember that Rush are not the most popular band around, but Neil Peart is the most popular drummer. Compute that....
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: July 10 2008 at 14:30
I never find Rock/Pop magazines certain in anything related with Prog.
End of discussion.
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Posted By: Yorkie X
Date Posted: July 10 2008 at 23:30
Peart is my favorite drummer he is amazing ! but I wouldn't have expect he would win this award this time, not that he isnt doing great stuff still because he is, but I am surprised he won it this time Neil is always capable of winning these awards I just didnt find his drumming on Snakes & Arrows as strong as I know he can do.
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: July 11 2008 at 11:33
Can anyone define " best ". Guess nobody`s ever heard of Guy Nadon. I find Peart the most boring drummer I`ve ever heard.
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Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: July 11 2008 at 19:56
I still don't understand why DMB is considered a jam band.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 11 2008 at 20:03
In Drum Magazine, it is only professional drummers who can vote? Checking out the site to see the criteria, nomination and voting process, as well as an explanation behind the decision. I'm always most interested in the why.
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: July 12 2008 at 00:14
Again !?!!!!???!!.
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: July 12 2008 at 00:17
rushaholic wrote:
IMO - Neil is the best drummer around.
Congrats to Neil!
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I agree. ![Clap](smileys/smiley32.gif)
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Posted By: zvinki
Date Posted: July 12 2008 at 09:56
Originally posted by rushaholic
IMO - Neil is the best drummer around.
Congrats to Neil!
I agree as well. He continues to challenge himself to cintinually improve. And he succeeds.
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: July 14 2008 at 11:05
I think I need to vomit.
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Posted By: jimmy_row
Date Posted: July 14 2008 at 11:20
Of course there are plenty of negative comments , but I thought that Neil would've gained enough respect by now... Oh well. I don't know if he's the "best" or not, but he's one of my favorites and has a pretty damn impressive career behind him. Congrats Neil
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: July 14 2008 at 11:40
I still need to vomit. The guy has been doing the same freakin drum solo fo almost 40 years.
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: July 14 2008 at 13:42
Vibrationbaby wrote:
I still need to vomit. The guy has been doing the same freakin drum solo fo almost 40 years.
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Not true but so what if it was? Don't knock what you don't understand.
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: July 14 2008 at 14:59
I don`t know. I`ve seen them about 6 times and it`s always the same.
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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: July 14 2008 at 15:07
im just happy peart won then some geezer from the artic monkeys or something like,give me hope in the world of musicianship.
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Posted By: Demonoid
Date Posted: July 14 2008 at 18:35
Best Mainstream Pop: Runners-Up: Neil Peart What the hell is Best Mainstream Pop ![LOL](smileys/smiley36.gif)
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Posted By: Clepsydra
Date Posted: July 14 2008 at 21:01
Best Drummer - Bill Bruford! (imo)
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: July 14 2008 at 21:16
Awesome for Neil! The Best!
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: July 15 2008 at 10:41
mrcozdude wrote:
im just happy peart won then some geezer from the artic monkeys or something like,give me hope in the world of musicianship. | Yeah I guess I have to agree with that., but the guy always wins it. One thing that I don`t understand is that why Peart doesn`t recieve more accolades for his Burning For Buddy project and why he doesn`t do anything along those lines again. I just think his work with Rush has become stale. Some people will hate me for this but I think Rush shoul have packed it in a long time ago. These guys are individually talented enough to embark on solo work or other musical projects and Peart proved it with his Burning For Buddy project. OK bring on the hate mail lawsuits and death threats.
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: July 15 2008 at 11:16
VB, the flying monkeys are on their way to wreak havoc, assuming that they can avoid the Canadian Royal Air Force.
Given that I love Snakes and Arrows and have really enjoyed their two shows on their stops to Detroit for the Snakes and Arrows tour, all that I can say is that I am glad that you didn't get your way on this one.
For whatever it is worth, I am happy that Neil won this award from his peers.
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Posted By: Eli
Date Posted: July 15 2008 at 11:57
I vote for Gavin harrison!
Peart is definitely a legendary drummer, but this year snakes & arrows wasn't Peart best ever...
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Posted By: rushaholic
Date Posted: July 15 2008 at 14:02
Vibrationbaby wrote:
mrcozdude wrote:
im just happy peart won then some geezer from the artic monkeys or something like,give me hope in the world of musicianship. | Yeah I guess I have to agree with that., but the guy always wins it. One thing that I don`t understand is that why Peart doesn`t recieve more accolades for his Burning For Buddy project and why he doesn`t do anything along those lines again. I just think his work with Rush has become stale. Some people will hate me for this but I think Rush shoul have packed it in a long time ago. These guys are individually talented enough to embark on solo work or other musical projects and Peart proved it with his Burning For Buddy project. OK bring on the hate mail lawsuits and death threats.
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They should keep playing - I think they still have some great music left in them playing together.
I have enjoyed their solo projects as well. Victor was a lot of fun.
Regarding the Burning For Buddy project - I heard he was getting ready to do something with that again - I think on Neil's website he said something about it in his latest letter.
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Posted By: rushaholic
Date Posted: July 15 2008 at 14:03
BTW - Gavin Harrison is a fantastic drummer. I am sure he will continue to do great things.
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: July 15 2008 at 14:39
Well now that he`s playing with Crimson I think that`s a great thing in itself.
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Posted By: SilverAnubis
Date Posted: July 15 2008 at 18:52
Peart don't are good drummer? Oh my god... Peart are perfect, I don't very fan of Rush, but Neil style don't have errors... this is a reality, the best drummer, of course.
I prefer Danny Carey, Donati, Chambers, Portnoy... but, Neil are best, this is true my friend.
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: July 16 2008 at 13:37
`Don`t you guys listen to anything else? I could make a list of about 100 drummers that would make Peart look like a fool.
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Posted By: rushaholic
Date Posted: July 16 2008 at 15:33
Vibrationbaby wrote:
`Don`t you guys listen to anything else? I could make a list of about 100 drummers that would make Peart look like a fool.
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Enough already.
He is legendary. You can find all kinds of references by other great drummers to Neil and their utmost respect for him.
So you don't like him, big deal. You and others could also create a list of those who you think are better. Your opinion.
IMO, you are being a little silly about this.
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: July 17 2008 at 10:46
He`s good no doubt about that I never said he wasn`t good, my point is that he is just a little bit stale and he wore thin on me some time ago. Of course with a handle like rushaholic it`s obvious that nary a bad word can be said about Peart. I don`t see people praising guys like Billy Cobham and as I said we have a local guy here in Montréal who is 73 years old, Guy Nadon who is simply out of this world. A real local legend who once blew Buddy Rich away back in the fifties when he was just a kid. Rich stormed out of the venue in frustration. You guys goot to listen to more cats play the drums.
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Posted By: jimmy_row
Date Posted: July 17 2008 at 11:07
Rush makes their first appearance on television in the states in over 30 years, and what do they get....Stephen Colbert prancing across the stage smack in the middle of Neil's drum solo!![Ouch](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif)
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Posted By: rushaholic
Date Posted: July 17 2008 at 15:47
Vibrationbaby wrote:
He`s good no doubt about that I never said he wasn`t good, my point is that he is just a little bit stale and he wore thin on me some time ago. Of course with a handle like rushaholic it`s obvious that nary a bad word can be said about Peart. I don`t see people praising guys like Billy Cobham and as I said we have a local guy here in Montréal who is 73 years old, Guy Nadon who is simply out of this world. A real local legend who once blew Buddy Rich away back in the fifties when he was just a kid. Rich stormed out of the venue in frustration. You guys goot to listen to more cats play the drums.
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I am certainly not saying that there are other great drummers out there - just seems you had something against Neal.
I agree with Billy Cobham - fantastic drummer. So is Pierre Moerlen. Gavin Harrison is one my new favorites.
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: July 17 2008 at 16:25
Well even though I don't like to make a big deal out of these things, but I totally agree with VibrationBaby. I have not heard anything be Neil that has made me awe-struck. I don't care if he's influential, that doesn't make him good. Granted, he is good, but I don't see why so many people view him as highly as they do, on a prog rock site no less. If this were a hard rock site or something like that, I can see Peart being heralded as such, but among other progressive rock drummers I don't think Neil is anywhere near the top.
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: July 18 2008 at 10:38
Thank you. I don`t have anything against Peart and believe me when I was in my teens I went through a Rush phase and still have about 10 of their albums and do listen to them from time to time. I still think La Villa Strangiato is an eye watering instumental. The guy above makes a good point about so many of you guys putting Peart on pedestal on a " progrock site no less ". I`ve always seen Rush as more of a hard rock band and was suprised to see them added here on PA..
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 18 2008 at 11:52
Neil's true talent might be better seen via this DVD. Sometimes the music is not so self-evident.
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: July 18 2008 at 13:46
Wow you have a 100 piece drum kit and you`re an automatic genius. Check out some old Gene Krupa, Louis Belson or Max Roach drum kits and listen to how they could burn down the house. I dunno it just looks goofy to me these " Kiss" drum kits. You don`t need all that crap. Even Bruford plays a rather simple kit with Earthworks.
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: July 18 2008 at 15:10
^Yea. One of the guys who I always loved to watch was Buddy Rich. He played with hardly no drums, but he found many ways to make it interesting, and entertaining.
Neil definitely utilizes the huge kit well, but it doesn't help show how good he is necessarily. Plus, the guy has no stage presence. He never looks into the music and he never looks like he's having fun. That also has nothing to do with how good he is, but I think he takes playing a little too seriously.
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: July 21 2008 at 13:20
Hey this is prog man ! EVERYTHING has to be SERIOUS, dead SERIOUS. .
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 21 2008 at 14:27
Vibrationbaby wrote:
mrcozdude wrote:
im just happy peart won then some geezer from the artic monkeys or something like,give me hope in the world of musicianship. | Yeah I guess I have to agree with that., but the guy always wins it. One thing that I don`t understand is that why Peart doesn`t recieve more accolades for his Burning For Buddy project and why he doesn`t do anything along those lines again. I just think his work with Rush has become stale. Some people will hate me for this but I think Rush shoul have packed it in a long time ago. These guys are individually talented enough to embark on solo work or other musical projects and Peart proved it with his Burning For Buddy project. OK bring on the hate mail lawsuits and death threats.
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no hate mail and death threats.. love to see musicians spread their wings.... and Rush... died years ago creatively... the fans eat it up.. but there is nothing new there.. it is stale.. or is to these ears.
re the Burning for Buddy project..
from one perspective.. at least in the durmming circle I hung with which was a bunch of jazz freaks.... it wasn't well recieved... he is many things... but not skilled at that type of music. That is why he probably didn't get the acolades.. Rush fanatics probably didn't touch it ..because it didn't ROCK thus that automatic adulation was gone.... and pure drummers... well... they sure didn't seem impressed. How else to explain it. If he had knocked it out of the park... for one so tied to a partciular style.. he would have received due adulation.
As I said.. a lesson with Charile Watts would have done him gone. Peart ain't no Carl Palmer ..that's for sure...
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 21 2008 at 14:45
micky wrote:
no hate mail and death threats.. love to see musicians spread their wings.... and Rush... died years ago creatively... the fans eat it up.. but there is nothing new there.. it is stale.. or is to these ears.
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I sure as hell don't think they did. Sure they don't write the style of Prog they once did, but not creative? Yeah.....no.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 21 2008 at 14:51
StyLaZyn wrote:
micky wrote:
no hate mail and death threats.. love to see musicians spread their wings.... and Rush... died years ago creatively... the fans eat it up.. but there is nothing new there.. it is stale.. or is to these ears.
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I sure as hell don't think they did. Sure they don't write the style of Prog they once did, but not creative? Yeah.....no.
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not saying it was a bad album... but I sure wouldn't call it creative... I sure didn't hear it.. but no one ever said I was judge, jury and executioner either hahhaha. Just agreeing with the guy with the jet as an avatar.
doesn't have to be creative and fresh to be good... but just because it is Rush doesn't mean it IS creative and fresh either. They're good.. not that good.. after 30 odd years.. like any group... you play to the fans.. but the best years... the creative years.. are long gone.
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 21 2008 at 14:56
micky wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
micky wrote:
no hate mail and death threats.. love to see musicians spread their wings.... and Rush... died years ago creatively... the fans eat it up.. but there is nothing new there.. it is stale.. or is to these ears.
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I sure as hell don't think they did. Sure they don't write the style of Prog they once did, but not creative? Yeah.....no.
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not saying it was a bad album... but I sure wouldn't call it creative... I sure didn't hear it.. but no one ever said I was judge, jury and executioner either hahhaha. Just agreeing with the guy with the jet as an avatar.
doesn't have to be creative and fresh to be good... but just because it is Rush doesn't mean it IS creative and fresh either. They're good.. not that good.. after 30 odd years.. like any group... you play to the fans.. but the best years... the creative years.. are long gone.
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I didn't find that with Snake and Arrows. Granted Grace Under Pressure through Vapor Trails is certainly debatable, S&A had some really new stuff. Spindrift or Good News First sounds nothing like any previous song, for instance.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 21 2008 at 15:03
StyLaZyn wrote:
micky wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
micky wrote:
no hate mail and death threats.. love to see musicians spread their wings.... and Rush... died years ago creatively... the fans eat it up.. but there is nothing new there.. it is stale.. or is to these ears.
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I sure as hell don't think they did. Sure they don't write the style of Prog they once did, but not creative? Yeah.....no.
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not saying it was a bad album... but I sure wouldn't call it creative... I sure didn't hear it.. but no one ever said I was judge, jury and executioner either hahhaha. Just agreeing with the guy with the jet as an avatar.
doesn't have to be creative and fresh to be good... but just because it is Rush doesn't mean it IS creative and fresh either. They're good.. not that good.. after 30 odd years.. like any group... you play to the fans.. but the best years... the creative years.. are long gone.
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I didn't find that with Snake and Arrows. Granted Grace Under Pressure through Vapor Trails is certainly debatable, S&A had some really new stuff. Spindrift or Good News First sounds nothing like any previous song, for instance. |
see.. with those albums... you respect the artist.. for strking out new directions.. and that they were.. enough so that they completely lost people like me and some fans if you remember. That IS prog.. pure and simple. Like I said with my famous TFTO review.. prog ..real prog is a train that not everyone will catch.. and will leave some behind. Like me, that were more fans of the music they had done.. than the group itself. Once the music lost me.. I had no emotional attachment to the group and moved on.
heheheh.. isn't that what is so great about this stuff man... it touches us all differently.. all see it differently. I saw S&A's as a nice rock album.. nothing wrong with that.. but absolutely nothing creative about it. Granted that is only based on a couple of listens.. and if I've missed something.. I have. Again.. I really have no attachment or investment in the group. No great loss if I did.. for if I did.. it was very subtle.. a couple of listens is not enough for full blown prog.. but we all would admit S&A was FAR from that.
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: July 21 2008 at 15:34
micky wrote:
re the Burning for Buddy project..
from one perspective.. at least in the durmming circle I hung with which was a bunch of jazz freaks.... it wasn't well recieved... he is many things... but not skilled at that type of music. That is why he probably didn't get the acolades.. Rush fanatics probably didn't touch it ..because it didn't ROCK thus that automatic adulation was gone.... and pure drummers... well... they sure didn't seem impressed. How else to explain it. If he had knocked it out of the park... for one so tied to a partciular style.. he would have received due adulation.
As I said.. a lesson with Charile Watts would have done him gone. Peart ain't no Carl Palmer ..that's for sure...
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You see Micky this is a clear example of someone expounding something they "think" as something they "believe."
Peart is the first to admit that it didnt go well for him that night. For one he prepared a different "version" (?) of the piece he played and for another he couldnt hear the rest of the players. He knows he messed up and is the first to acknowledge this. Whether you like it or not Palmer, Watts and even Bruford are NOT Jazz drummers of note. They are rock drummers first and foremost no matter what their ridiculous fans would have you believe.Jazz afficianoados would just laugh in your face if suggested otherwise.
Apples and oranges.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 21 2008 at 15:44
I would have added.. .but didn't think it was necessary hahhaha.. that my friends... were stereotypical jazz snobs. As were probably 95% of anyone who did listen to that ... the guy asked why Peart wasn't given more acclaim for it. I gave my personal insight into it and the fact he didn't have a good session is even more reason.
And Watts was originally a jazz drummer who went into the Stones and the blues..... and that was Palmers first love... apples and oranges I know.. .and a bit of humor thrown in.. and of course the obligatory cheap shot ahhaha. But the point stands... they know jazz and how to play it and damn well.
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: July 21 2008 at 16:22
Charlie Watts joined The Rolling Stones in 1962 when he was 21 yrs old. I wasnt aware that even at that tender age he'd already carved himself out a career as a Jazz legend.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 21 2008 at 16:27
look who he played with before the Rolling Stones Tony.. and who he played with....
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: July 21 2008 at 16:30
Alexis Korner's BLUES ensemble after leaving SCHOOL in 1956...
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 21 2008 at 16:34
exactly... and blues was a loose term.... look who he worked with... his partner.. none other than Jack Bruce. . who was a Jazz bassist... not a 'blues' bassist... besides..as I'm sure you know... jazz and blues are two sides of the same coin... from the same river did they spout.... that's why so many jazz artist are called blues artists and vice versa hahahhahah.
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: July 21 2008 at 16:45
I doubt that Jazz purists will agree with that. How many world famous superstar Blues frummers do you know bro?
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 21 2008 at 16:57
jazz purists.. would that be the same as a prog purists.. who are not exactly know for being open-minded.. even with fact bites them in the ass hahahhah. They stay with their closely held beliefs.. till the bitter end. My jazz buddies and the guys I played with are perfect example... I know the type. .as well or better than you do hahhaha Even if Peart had nailed his performance.. they would have considered it rubbish. Do you take the word of a purist for being worth something.. . don't think so.. either do I.
.. remember.. till the late 50's jazz was as rhythmically 'simple' as people see the blues..... look how many jazz artists.. like Davis, Monk, Colttaine slid so easily into the blues.. within a jazz context.. they are really VERY closely related. As others did in rock.. such as Jack Bruce, or Charlie Watts could easily move from jazz to blues and back again...
Again.. two sides of the same coin...
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: July 21 2008 at 17:11
you....out of....breath....Micky?
After reading that....I certainly....am...
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 21 2008 at 17:16
I do love to flap my gums hahahhah.
however
now would time a good time to go and pack unless I am going to fly to Rome in sweets and a t-shirt ![LOL](smileys/smiley36.gif)
don't know if you saw it... but I hope you had a great birthday.. mine is Friday the reason for a well deserved vacation... another year closer to drooling on myself uncontrollably and wetting the sheets hahhaha.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 21 2008 at 17:18
an early and very Happy B-Day to you, Mike, and have a wonderful time
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 21 2008 at 17:19
I definitely will.. thanks David..
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: July 21 2008 at 17:25
Yes, same from me pal. Give my love to your better half. ![Smile](smileys/smiley1.gif)
I'm off to Mallorca on Sunday for two weeks of dodging the Sun's rays. I've got 102 gigs on my IPod and a stack of pseudo-intellectual reading to scare off the chavs.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 21 2008 at 18:16
I'll definitely will do that... I'll give her enough for all of us .
and have a great time yourself...
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