latest prog innovator?
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Topic: latest prog innovator?
Posted By: tourdeforce
Subject: latest prog innovator?
Date Posted: June 21 2008 at 01:58
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Who do you think is the biggest prog innovator in the last five years? two? if you get a chance, please check out http://myspace.com/viajedefuerza - myspace.com/viajedefuerza we're a prog rock/jazz band out of Texas. some feedback would be greatly appreciated ------------- myspace.com/viajedefuerza myspace.com/arspoetica myspace.com/andrewwhy |
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: June 21 2008 at 02:00
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good question. I am going to say Toby Driver because I think Kayo Dot have been the most exciting and relevant "progressive" thing in these last years.
I hope people aren't going to be saying Steven Wilson too often, since he just makes prog out of alt.rock by making it longer and professional. ;P ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: Yorkie X
Date Posted: June 21 2008 at 02:25
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Laplace wrote:Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: June 21 2008 at 07:12
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I would have said Toby Driver as well, but then I realised that maudlin of the Well's My Fruit Psychobells is nearly 10 years old. So I'm going to say Oma Rodriugez Lopez..
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 21 2008 at 09:31
 Yay for Omar! |
Posted By: Darklord55
Date Posted: June 21 2008 at 09:46
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That said, I vote for Wilson and Akerfeldt. Posted By: The Crow
Date Posted: June 21 2008 at 10:20
That's a good point... I'm agree, Wilson is one of the most focused and dedicated Prog minds today. But if I have to choose... I'd say Devin Townsend. I think this guy is jsut one of the most original, brave and innovative musicians in music today. His works in prog metal, extreme metal, ambient music, punk and other genres demonstrate that this guy is just brilliant and really talented. You can love him, or hate him, or ignore him... But if you hear "Terria", for example, you'll realise that you've heard anything like that in your life! |
Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: June 21 2008 at 11:01
| Omar or....Nathan Sapp! I'm going to review some Canvas Solaris. |
Posted By: dzx
Date Posted: June 21 2008 at 11:21
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im sticking with fripp. in these days of extreme tech metal krimson still blow away all wannabees with their harda**ed riffing and theyre in their 60s! ------------- was that just an Am augmented minor 9th i heard? nice! |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: June 21 2008 at 13:53
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Oh i can name a few... Omar Rodriguez-Lopez, Mikael Akerfeldt, Neal Morse, Roine Stolt, John Petrucci, Steven Wilson (sorry), Danny Carey (he's a drummer, but he IS most of the brains behind Tool's polyrhythms and structure)
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Posted By: DJPuffyLemon
Date Posted: June 21 2008 at 16:47
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: June 21 2008 at 18:22
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Omar Rodriguez, Toby Driver and the guys from Sleepytime Gorilla Museum!!!
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Posted By: Imadofus
Date Posted: June 21 2008 at 19:40
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Of the ones I listen to, Omar Rodriguez-Lopez, IMO. Thom Yorke was a big innovator in the early 2000's, but he kind of stopped since then.
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: June 22 2008 at 10:45
And they havnt done anything for 5 years and were not likely to see another album from them until next year so I dont think they count. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: June 22 2008 at 11:08
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The Red Masque, hands down. they brought new life to a genre that was already dead except for some of the old heroes who still continue to produce interesting stuff
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Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: June 24 2008 at 10:01
Well, I am
like someone all ready said the man is genius is what his does. producing, writing and as a lyricist. Thanks to his band The Porcupine Tree I started all over again loving " prog" in the early 90's.
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Posted By: tourdeforce
Date Posted: June 27 2008 at 18:28
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The Red Masque sounds pretty cool, a little too metal for me but it's still pushing things forward in the world of music. nice ------------- myspace.com/viajedefuerza myspace.com/arspoetica myspace.com/andrewwhy |
Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: June 27 2008 at 19:39
Omar maybe, Mckael maybe. Steven is okey, but when you come down to it, Porcupine tree is just making long verse chorus verse songs, hardly innovative if you ask me. Danny Carey maybe, for bringing experimental drumming to the mainstream.
I'd say Toby Driver, and Efrim Munick. ------------- 
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(he's a drummer, but he IS most of the brains behind Tool's polyrhythms and structure)Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: June 28 2008 at 04:55
Just out of curiosity; If you think he is, how can that album disqualify Toby Driver from being the biggest innovator of the last five years? ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: June 28 2008 at 05:15
Because it's old, I guess. But really, Driver's biggest innovations are with Kayo Dot and his solo album, all of which is within the past six years, so he definitely counts (and is the correct answer to this question). |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: June 28 2008 at 05:55
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Yes, that's probably the reason Pnoom!. But its like disqualifying Miles Davis, John Coltrane and Sun Ra
in a discussion about 60's jazzinnovators because they've recorded
albums in the 50's too (or Omar here, because of At the Drive In).
Anyway, I'm tempted to suggest Toby Driver myself, altough I haven't known his music for that long. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: June 28 2008 at 06:27
| I agree with you, especially since his most innovative music is among his most recent music and came in the last five years as this thread asks. Maudlin was a unique take on metal, but Kayo Dot/Driver solo are unique takes on music |
Posted By: Relayer09
Date Posted: June 28 2008 at 15:57
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I will say Steve Wilson also. Not only is Porcupine Tree one of my favorites of newer bands but they are quickly becoming one of my favorite bands ever. ------------- If you lose your temper, you've lost the arguement. -Proverb |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: June 30 2008 at 13:53
How would you judge an innovator? Omar is definitely one, TMV stand in a genre of their own, i don't think anyone can quite mimick them TBH, Mikeal perfectly fuses death metal with prog, please explain how that isn't innovative? Neal and Roine both write straight down great music, OK it may have all been done before, but they are genii nonetheless. They are still innovative as they have almost re-introduced the Symphonic genre all over again. John Petrucci is just a fantastically original guitarist and is the only real member of DT i can stand. He was also one of the main hands in truly enforcing Prog Metal as a genre. Steven Wilson is an innovative producer and a very creative songwriter, you can't really take that away from him can you? and Danny Carey? drumming innovator, hands down. His style is untouched. ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: July 02 2008 at 02:53
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Didn't see this earlier, figured I might chime in now. Regarding the above post, indeed it is in fact widely acknowledged that Death, lead by the legendary Chuck Schuldiner, were the prime originators of Progressive death metal and indeed probably the first death metal (history says they weren't the first one the scene with a death metal recording, but they apparently doing death metal before Possessed, but don't take what I'm saying for gospel, I could be wrong. Human was released in 1991, and the Spiritual Healing released the year before contained a strong progressive vibe, although not quite progressive death metal yet. Opeth originally formed as a straight death metal band in 1990, and weren't doing prog death until '93, so Death certainly beat them to the progressive death table, but I don't deny the originality of Opeth either, as they have been one of the most important metal bands in the last 15 years. Petrucci, his lead work is not innovative as such, I see Petrucci's innovation and originality lying in the way he changed the way many heavy metal guitarists looked at technical rhythm outside a death metal and related genre context. That said, I still love his lead playing, especially his guitar work on Train Of Thought. ------------- 
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Posted By: Harry Hood
Date Posted: July 02 2008 at 04:53
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The Johnson Treatment are going to turn the prog world upside down with their debut album. You may not know that name now, someday you'll all know them as the band that changed prog forever. ------------- 
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Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: July 03 2008 at 05:28
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I'd vote for Steven Wilson with his various projects.
Although not perhaps musically as such (after all, hasn't nearly everything been done before in some way?), but in the way he's brought back emotion and tenseness in his compositions toa degree I'd thought lost.
Perhaps it's a bit strange combining 'innovation' and 'bringing back', but at least to my mind it seems to make some kind of weird sense.
(As a side thought: I don't see the term 'progressive' in the sense of 'avant garde', just as I see that 'New Wave' is now about 25 years old and quite dead, inspite of its dreadful name.)
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: July 03 2008 at 09:39
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I can't tell a lie; it's Toby Driver. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: July 03 2008 at 17:10
Sorry if I seemed harsh in my original post.
 I guess I'm a little hard and callaced to these things, I feel like I've heard all of them before, therefore dont stike me as very innovative. -------------
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: July 03 2008 at 17:16
Agreed. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: July 03 2008 at 17:20
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Petrucci was innovative in the 90's. Def not this decade though. Same with Opeth. They've gotten better in this decade, but their most innovative music was in the 90's. Again, same with Steven Wilson. 90s now on to this decade Omar of TMV is one. SGM are another band who've been real innovative. Robert Fripp is STILL doing it!!! and Steve Jenkins that's all i got for now... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm 
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: July 03 2008 at 17:23
I agree with some of what you said Ian, but your point on Petrucci is unfortunately not all opinion. Of Satriani, Johnson and Vai, if you read up on your history you'll find of the 3 only Vai really ever did metal. Not a chance you could draft Johnson into DT. This isn't opinion really. Johnson simply would not have the metal rhythm guitar chops at all to keep up. Satriani, he has more hard rocking rhythm chops, but I'd be surprised if he had enough stamina for the rhythm role. Vai, I don't think he ever really did thrash riffs, although he is the most likely able to pull if off with enough practice. Some people forget, not only is Petrucci a soloist, but he was also raised on a diet of playing thrash metal guitar in his younger days, so he also has monster metal guitar rhythm chops. The only type of player that could you really compare with him in terms of who could fill his shoes, would be another metal player. In this respect, Vai, Satriani and Johnson are not good comparisions, but a guy like Michael Romeo would make more sense to compare to Petrucci. -------------
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: July 03 2008 at 17:37
the difference is those guys were not only innovators, but visionaries as well, something that seems to be lacking in the music world these days. Omar, Fripp and John Scofield seem to be the only ones i can think of that are modern visionaries. Most rock guys (of any sub-genre) hit a peak at some point and then never reach that point again (with exceptions). Same with jazz guys, blues, or anything else. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: July 03 2008 at 17:52
"Real innovative"? How are SGM or TMV innovative? I'm just wondering if you can even say what exactly these bands are doing that is innovative. They kind of have their own sound but so do Spock's Beard and The Flower Kings; a band having it's own sound isn't enough to call them innovators. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 03 2008 at 18:01
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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: July 03 2008 at 18:08
While what you said is true, I wasnt trying to make a comparison to their style of shred, rather I was trying to say his style has been done, thrash or not, he's no innovator. Besides, in images and words, there wasnt even a lot of thrash riffing going around, I hear more hair metal than thrash. IMO. -------------
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: July 03 2008 at 20:07
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I hear zero hair metal on Images and Words well maybe Another Day but tell me how in the hell Metropolis sounds like hair metal ------------- 
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Posted By: MusicForSpeedin
Date Posted: July 03 2008 at 21:36
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Posted By: Statutory-Mike
Date Posted: July 03 2008 at 22:40
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My prog innovators are: Mikael, Steve Wilson, and Petrucci. I'm really sorry if this upsets anyone, but they're my main 3 guys. Mikael and Opeth influence the kind of riffs I write, metal, very evil sounding, very diverse at the same time..always keeping it progressive.
Steven Wilson and his work with PT, Blackfield..hell even No-Man is very influential to me. Most of all I love Steven's lyrics and his songwriting skills are great. Not to mention a hell of a voice.
Of course, Petrucci is my #1 influence because, I'm a guitarist and he is one of the most talented guitarists and musicians in ALL of music. I love his guitar work, his practice discipline, and even though you may not...his work with DT. The music that he helps write with them is the reason they are my favorite band. I listen to a lot of other types of prog, and still DT is without a doubt my favorite. Now I know, I know some people are going to whine and bitch about it, but that's just the way it is. This is what innovates me. It bothers me when people cannot accept that music is personal preferance.
A wise man once said "Music is like ice cream, everyone has a favorite flavor."
That man of course was my father, he might have been a bit drunk, but the saying rings true time and time again.
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Posted By: Statutory-Mike
Date Posted: July 03 2008 at 22:41
I don't even hear the hair metal influence on Another Day. There's a saxaphone solo! -------------
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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: July 04 2008 at 14:01
No hair metal in Metropolis, way too much in Images to keep my attention. -------------
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Posted By: OzzProg
Date Posted: July 04 2008 at 17:35
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I really feel that the biggest boys in town are; Roine Stolt and John Petrucci Stolt was great in the Flower Kings, but since I have heard the work of Transatlantic, he blows me away. And of course, Petrucci is fantastic with Dream Theater, but the level of innovation that he brought to Liquid Tension Experiment, astonishes me. P.S. its funny, because as soon as I saw this thread I though to myself "I bet most people are going to say Steven Wilson, even though he is really great, many people don't appreciate his work." -------------  |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: July 04 2008 at 17:44
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Phideaux Xavier . While I am still waiting to get some of his albums, the samples and reviews are breathtaking. ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: Demonoid
Date Posted: July 04 2008 at 18:16
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Pain Of Salvation/Daniel Gildenlow. First thought is that they are just another prog. metal band...but none in the genre sound like them. Their music just seems complete for me. Its just more composing skills than being experts at their instruments. And having one of the best vocalist helps too  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/dem0n0id/?chartstyle=LivejournalColors"> 
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Posted By: Cesar Inca
Date Posted: July 07 2008 at 09:25
NOW YOU'RE TALKING!! How did you like their new album in comparison with "Penumbra Diffuse" and "Cortical Tectonics"?
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: July 07 2008 at 13:02
Metropolis= song 5 on Images and Words -------------
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