Most Pretentious Band?
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Topic: Most Pretentious Band?
Posted By: DJPuffyLemon
Subject: Most Pretentious Band?
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 19:58
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To refresh everyone's memory, here's the definition of pretentious:
a: making usually unjustified or excessive claims (as of value or standing)
b: expressive of affected, unwarranted, or exaggerated importance, worth, or stature
Basically, you claim your music is more than it is. Now, I'm missing a bunch, like maybe some noise rock or canterbury bands, but here are the big ones that spring to mind:
YES
Why are they here?
Tales of Topographic Oceans, an album of epic proportions. Plus, the non-sensical lyrics by that man with the angel's choir of voices, Jon Anderson.
MAGMA Why are they here?
The creation of a language, which in the first few albums was basically gibberish. And basically mapping out the mythology of an entire culture in said language.
THE MARS VOLTA Why are they here?
Non-sensical lyrics, arguably more obtuse than that of Jon Anderson. Plus, song titles with made up compound words.
ELP
Why are they here?
Honestly, only because some would complain if it wasn't. But here's the thing, ELP is more of a self-indulgent band than anything else. And there's a difference between pretentious and self-indulgent.
Self-indulgent: Lets take a classical piece and adapt it to be played by a rock band.
Pretentious: Lets take a classical piece and adapt it to be played by a rock band, and then say its objectively better than the original.
But you know, whatever.
So there you have it, vote away! And of course, if you think there's a band that is more pretentious than any of these, please convince your fellow music fans of the fact.
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Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 20:32
Take a good look at this picture: This is Christian Vander marking the sign of death on anyone who doesn't pick Magma  And by the way folks, last I checked pretentious in prog was a good thing  ------------- 
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Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 20:36
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Diablo Swing Orchestra: The Diablo Swing Orchestra dates back to 1501 in Sweden, where history tells the tale of an orchestra that played like no other, with music so seductive and divine that the ensemble overwhelmed audiences all over the country, and people from all social classes took them to their hearts. Their performances rapidly earned a reputation of being feral and vigorous and gained the Orchestra a devoted crowd that followed them around. During the later half of the 16th century the criticism against the Church’s dictatorial ruling had intensified. Gifts and tenancies had made the Church extremely wealthy, and since the money merely was used to strengthen their power the discontent among the people was growing. To many people the Orchestra presented them to a new view upon things and a way to cope with everyday life. The Church witnessed how their influence over the people decreased and began to depict the Orchestra as treacherous, saying their intentions were anything but righteous. The Orchestra’s extensive use of the prohibited tritonus interval in their music, as well as their excessive lifestyles, were facts that were not looked mildly upon. Great men slandered the music, saying it was an insult to everything Christ stood for. However, when this attempt to reduce the Orchestra’s popularity failed, the Church began to use more desperate measures in order to regain its former power. “The Devil’s Orchestra” became the slogan they used, and the members were accused of being everything from devil worshippers to the spawn of Satan. This catchphrase eventually caught on and became the popular name of the Orchestra. When even these efforts shown futile the church ultimately framed the Orchestra members for a murder and a ruthless manhunt began. The following two years the Orchestra led the lives of outlaws and were forced to perform in barns and outhouses, where only a strictly limited number of people were allowed to attend. Luckily generous people provided them with food and somewhere to sleep. In order to capture the Orchestra the church issued a reward to the person that could provide such information that lead to the capture of them. The sum was so large that the orchestra, tired and weary of living as fugitives, realised that it all had come to and end. They knew that sooner or later someone would reveal their whereabouts and the decided to go down in style. But before doing so, they all signed a pact saying that their descendants were given the task of reuniting the Orchestra in 500 years and continue their work of spreading thought-provoking music. Six envelopes were therefore sealed and given to trustees of the Orchestra to pass on to family members. They announced their final concert publicly as a grandeur finale. Thousands of people showed up and even though it was almost no one who could actually hear the music, the massive sing-along of the crowd granted the performance to be the most talked about in history. Thanks to the huge amount of people the Orchestra was allowed to play until their last song when armed guards finally managed to storm the stage and arrest the musicians. They were sent prison and later sentenced to death by hanging. Stockholm 2003: By mere accident two of the original orchestra descendants meet in a music shop and begin to discuss music. It later shows that they both have received a strange letter from some ancient relative containing instructions on how to reunite The Devil’s Orchestra. They both become very excited and through some genealogy they managed to find all of the remaining successors in a period of three months. Unfortunately all of the original scores were confiscated and burned by the church back in 1503. So music-wise the new orchestra were left with no directions on what to play. After some meticulous discussions it was agreed upon that the music should be like a modern version of the old orchestra. Annlouice was chosen to front the band, her angelic yet powerful operatic voice was perfect to bring a bombastic feeling to the music. Pontus’ dance-influences and programming skills came in handy since the orchestra wanted the arrangements to sound a bit more futuristic. He shares guitar duties with Daniel, who also is the main composer in the band. Anders brought some groove to the mix adding powerful slapping and funk-oriented bass licks, while Andreas’s energetic drumming made sure the songs are driven and pulsating. Together with Anders, he lays the solid swinging foundation of the band. Johannes’s theoretical knowledge and stunning technique combined with an emotive cello-playing style made him essential to the band’s sound. Together they answer to the name of Diablo Swing Orchestra and are determined to honour the legacy of their ancestors. ------------- 
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Posted By: Yorkie X
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 21:31
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I love ELP so I didn't vote for them despite the fact they probably deserve to be here ,its actually their pretentious side I think I like the most about them they are masters at it. I voted for Magma they are the side of pretentious that I can live without to me they don't make any sense, know they have their fan base here on this site I only wish I could relate to their views ... I can't see what they see. |
Posted By: WinterLight
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 22:13
| According to the given definitions, none of the bands listed meet the criteria for pretentiousness (at least for the reasons cited). |
Posted By: DJPuffyLemon
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 23:19
And btw guys, did you even read my post? ELP are not pretentious. They don't have a claim to be more than they are. TELL ME WHY YOU THINK SO THOUGH!
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WinterLight wrote:Posted By: Leningrad
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 23:24
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Posted By: Relayer09
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 23:54
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I'll have to say Magma. They're a bit more over the top than the other bands but that is also part of what makes Magma cool. ------------- If you lose your temper, you've lost the arguement. -Proverb |
Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 23:56
| I can't vote here. ELP didn't become pretentious until the Works era. So to label them pretentious would imply that the good stuff was also pretentious, which it was not. |
Posted By: iguana
Date Posted: June 18 2008 at 03:59
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every working band that performs music publically and stands on stages is pretentious to an extent.
out of the choices i'd say ELP for their “jocks of prog“ mannerisms. U2/OASIS – two of the most pretentious bands ever. ------------- progressive rock and rural tranquility don't match. true or false? |
Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: June 18 2008 at 04:36
| Having read a few interviews from members of these bands, Magma wins this thing by a landslide. |
Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: June 18 2008 at 05:09
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What about Pretentious in non prog?: The Clash- Sadinista, Bob Dylan Blonde on Blonde, everything done by Prince, Oasis etc No one ever talks about pretentiousness in other styles of music. But all this lot had carrots up their a#$@'s |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: June 18 2008 at 05:27
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Other..
The Enid strike me as being pretty pretentious. I still think they're brilliant though..  Prog without a certain degree of pretence wouldn't be half as effective, interesting or entertaining as it has been for 40 odd years. Peter Gabriel, without the costumes? Keith Emerson without his Hammond organ wrestling routines? Rick Wakemen without his capes, or knights and hobby horses on ice? Ian Anderson without his codpeice..? Nah, doesn't work does it.
The worst kind of pretentiousness lies outside the world of prog, and among these guitar pop punk bands who 'pretend' to be good, when in fact they're total arse. 
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Posted By: song_of_copper
Date Posted: June 18 2008 at 07:16
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I can't vote here - not heard enough - but 'pretension'... I find that very interesting. For a long time I studiously avoided anything that might be considered 'pretentious' but in fact, I find I rather like it - with certain caveats!! Firstly, I have this dumb theory of a kind of 'silly:serious' ratio... I guess that's what you'd call it... Basically, if someone can take an utterly ludicrous idea and pursue it with total dedication and sincerity, with a completely straight face, well... I really love that. On the other hand, if someone has a completely serious idea and goes about it in a less-than-sincere, rather self-deprecating/self-parodying way, that tends to really turn me off. Same if it was a case of 'silly idea, silly execution' or 'serious idea, serious execution'... I guess this is my totally pretentious way of saying 'there is more than one way to be pretentious'!  |
Posted By: WinterLight
Date Posted: June 18 2008 at 09:22
You've failed to describe just how each artist has made "unjustified or excessive claims" or is "expressive of affected, unwarranted, or exaggerated importance, worth, or stature." I think that this is clear to anyone not blinded by their own prejudices against these bands. The onus probandi lies with you (and using Latin is not pretentious either). |
Posted By: ten years after
Date Posted: June 18 2008 at 09:24
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Any band that sets out to make complex music just because they think it will impress people rather than because they themselves think it is good would qualify as pretentious.
Some famous bands may qualify in this category but certainly not those listed. They simply produced good music.
I do have some nagging suspicions about Gentle Giant in this regard.
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Posted By: Prejjer
Date Posted: June 18 2008 at 09:56
| Gentle Giant made much more interesting music than ELP, either way. |
Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: June 18 2008 at 10:48
Carl Palmer said it!!! ------------- http://darksideofcollages.blogspot.com/ http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/Darksideof-Collages/ |
Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: June 18 2008 at 11:17
 Hey Kid take it easy !!! it isn't the end of the world;! IT IS JUST ART.... you have been misunderstood.When I listen to Yes' work specially Tales to me it is just pure Abstract music specially lyrically. Its interpretation is a personal thing and a unique one because everyone every is objective about it. you either like or hate it. and make a conclusion to be a masterpiece or a pretentious, self indulgent crap!
also if you dind know. it wasn't only Jon that wrote Yes Lyrics but Steve Howe as well.
The Mars Volta is a band of many influences coming from many different directions from" Latin Heritage"( Mexico Puerto Rico) to pure avant garde. so their music is going to be different and wild. do you prefer them to write love Pop tunes instead? These guys are ARTIST and ARTIST are always in the search of the unkown which they have found it.
do you think when Picasso, Geoge Braque, Max Ernst, Salvador Dali to name a few. were consern if their work made sense to the naked eyes as your? of course not !! their concern were creating something new, original, unique, and be part of the innovation and revolution of the 30 and 40 Art scene.
so kid like I said before don't miss interpret Pretentious with ART. also don't listen to Critics. ------------- http://darksideofcollages.blogspot.com/ http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/Darksideof-Collages/ |
Posted By: DJPuffyLemon
Date Posted: June 18 2008 at 11:27
And don't get this holier than thou attitude about this subject. The bands listed would all be in my top 20 favorite bands ever. I love their music, but I can still see that they are pretentious to a degree, just wanted to see if anyone agreed with me, apparently some do. And apparently some others think I'm pissing on the bands when I say they are.
(God, i really should not have included ELP in this poll but whatever, can't exclude them because I'm prejudiced against the fact now can I?)
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Posted By: febus
Date Posted: June 18 2008 at 11:41
I don't understand the word ''Pretentious'' and its affiliation with those bands. ....if pretentious = ambitious by going the extra mile musically and trying to create something new (with success or not), breaking standart musical barriers , exploring new soundscape horizons.....in my book it's named ART and it should not be any limit to express it .....be it in Kobaian!!!
''Pretentious'' can be applied also to non-prog music as well as attitude of a lot of rock stars (Bono, Kiss, Oasis, M. Crue ,A.Rose....) fits the meaning of the word.
''Pretention'' is just an empty word used by some people who happen not to like bands that happen to be a little bit ''different'' or are trying harder.. K. Emerson always gets bashed for trying to compose concertos or going out of the box; But no one criticizes when Part, T. Rypdal or Karl Jenkins do the same thing.
Christian Vander had a big vision about the music he wanted to play.....that's named ambition, that's art, that's creation, that's going forward even if some don't like it but do you think he really cares!
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Posted By: WinterLight
Date Posted: June 18 2008 at 12:44
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: June 18 2008 at 12:46
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I agree with WinterLight. It doesn't really need to be explain so semiotically though - this thread sucks. ;P You could invent a similar profile of prentention for any artist on the site. ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: June 18 2008 at 12:49
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THAT BAND THAT I DON'T LIKE LOL
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 18 2008 at 13:02
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Pretentious also means ostentatious. So which, at least of the listed bands, shows off the most, tried the hardest to be noticed / makes the most vulgar/ flashy display of themselves, and makes the most excessive claims to greatness? I'd want to read more interviews before deciding. Incidentally, not that there's anything wrong with making an over-the-top spectacle of oneself on stage as it is a performance that is meant to entertain. I'd look for one that claimed to be great, but really didn't have the chops. Sorry going off Prog, but one of the most pretentious things I've read involved Angels and Airwaves. Here's what the amazingly modest founder, front-man, and composer Tom
DeLonge had to say about this project of his in an interview (just excerpts, was even worse, copied from a post I wrote in another forum two and a half years ago). "[It's] the best music made in decades" and "much more powerful, emotional and melodic than Box Car Racer and blink put together." "It sounds like it has the conceptual depth of Pink Floyd, the anthemic architecture of U2 but with Tom from Blink writing all the melodies. All the songs are very cinematic, anthemic and epic-sounding. The music sounds angelic. Every song gives you the chills and you feel like you want to cry but you're conquering the world at the same time. It sounds like stadium rock done by a band that's meant to be the absolute biggest band in the world." "The songs are all six minutes long, and [the music] feels like you're going to cry but you put your fist in the air and you can conquer the world... It's built on a punk-rock foundation, but it definitely doesn't sound like blink." "Imagine if you were in a jet plane, soaring through the clouds. That's what it sounds like." They also did a CGI movie, the "story" apparently being based upon Tom DeLonge's life and will give insight into the hiatus of blink-182. It's being called AVA, and is being called a third documentary, a third love story and a third CGI. In the words of DeLonge, "It's the story of the album, which is the story of the break-up of one of the biggest bands in the world [blink-182] and the creation of the world's greatest band [Angels and Airwaves]." I'm sure a great many of you have seen this, but here's another guy who comes across as just a little too pleased/ awed by his own music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxXLp-2J3wI - Kevin Federline (CLICK) http://www.youtube.com/w/Kevin-Federline-jamming-to-PopoZao?v=Q7Ys46KA4xw - ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: June 18 2008 at 13:44
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Other: Pain of Salvation!
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Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: June 18 2008 at 18:23
 ELP, and I love it 
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Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: June 18 2008 at 21:11
....and we have a winner folks! If that guy isn't the very definition of pretention, then I don't know what is!
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Posted By: acelxpro
Date Posted: June 18 2008 at 22:21
| Rush fans, oh sorry you said band...well at the risk of being unpopular i'm giving yes their first vote. |
Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: June 19 2008 at 02:44
Yeah I don't think any of the bands listed meet "pretentious" criteria. However, your mentioning of Angels and Airwaves is awesome. Tom in an interview also said the band was the only group to successfully sound like and be influenced by U2 without actually ripping them off like everyone else does. HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA |
Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: June 19 2008 at 04:36
I couldn't agree more, and I also agree with Cheesecakemouse, when he mentions Prince and Oasis. Or just look at David Bowie (one of my favourite 1970s artists, by the way), singing about 'Supermen' (i.e. Uebermenschen!) and comparing himself to Heinrich Himmler (of all people) on HUNKY DORY and THE MAN WHO FELL TO EARTH. By comparison, prog bands are GOOD. They're not pretentious; they've got loads of IMAGINATION! |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: June 19 2008 at 05:02
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Bowie himself was aware of his pretensions- he dubbed that superb Berlin-era music as 'the new school of pretension'- which is why I find it so hard to take when so many progressive rock artists get slammed for being pretentious and artists like him do not. Another favourite artist of mine is Van Morrison, and he regularly namechecks or quotes poets but he doesn't get dubbed 'pretentious' anything like as much.
As for prog bands who I do see as 'pretentious'? Here goes:
I don't really think ELP were that pretentious but for their classical aspirations, which sadly take over when people ever mention their name- I guess you could dub 'Pictures...' pretentious (though I enjoy it) and in my mind, there is no question whatsoever that 'Works Volume 1' was appallingly pretentious from the title itself down to Emerson's attempt at a concerto. Edward Macan in that book 'Rocking The Classics' tends to agree as he said these classical aspirations took focus away from their own compositions, which I too tend to find infinitely more rewarding.
It is when rock groups attempt to go all 'serious' and do classical/rock crossovers that I begin to blanche a bit- not so much when Caravan, Yes or Procol Harum did it when the orchestra was merely accompanying the band on material they'd written and recorded previously, but Deep Purple's is definitely pretentious IMHO. Rick Wakeman's albums of that era and Pink Floyd's 'Atom Heart Mother' are other nominations- they have a certain entertainment value but they aren't as profound as their composers were intending them to be IMHO.
I think acts like Mike Oldfield and Camel avoid the tag because they generally stayed away from excessive bombast- most of their work is generally quite approachable and melodic without having to wade through a lot of dodgy narrated sections or the like.
The Moody Blues smack me as being pretentious, right down to the obscure concepts which I've never been able to work out and the godawful narrated sections which are more profoundly embarassing than profound. I think it's hard to get away from 'kitsch' for The Moody Blues nowadays, to be honest- the 60s albums are enjoyable despite (or because of) this but the 70s ones, less so IMHO.
The Enid are very pretentious too IMHO- I've always found their cod-classical stuff horribly cheesy personally.
I don't see Yes or Genesis as being all that pretentious- at their best both bands never lost grasp of melody IMHO; even TFTO has some terrific and genuinely inventive stuff on there IMHO.
And Blacksword, those 'guitar pop' bands aren't pretentious, they're just sh*te! I doubt they could even spell 'pretentious'!
 I think they have killed British rock music to be honest...some great new bands coming out of America at the moment but nothing new/interesting has emerged from the UK in years IMHO. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: June 19 2008 at 05:55
One journalist summed up exactly what I cant stand about Oasis, when he said, and I paraphrase; 'Liam Gallagher took to the stage, wearing a parka, jeans and trainers. He surveyed the crowd with a scowl on his face, before swaggering up to the mike and saying 'Good 'ere innit..' The crowd roared and a shiver went down my spine' If thats what it takes to send people into musical nirvana these days, then the music industry is screwed! I mean, I know ELP were quite cocky, but at least they had something other than old mod clothes and a collection of drinking songs to back it all up with.
These days, I'm afraid, 'imagination' seems to equate to pretense. People like to 'keep it real, yeah' 
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: June 19 2008 at 06:03
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although 01001101 is certainly more restrained, I think that Ayreon are in a league of their own in this department.... closely followed by Star One... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: song_of_copper
Date Posted: June 19 2008 at 06:50
I vote in favour of 'keeping it unreal'! I think lots of people feel that escapist entertainment/creative flights of fancy are a bit childish, or that indulging in that stuff keeps you blinkered and blind to 'what's really going on'... But is it really helpful to your understanding of life to only consume 'creative product' that reflects your own immediate surroundings/everyday life experience??! I don't think so... Besides which, as others have pointed out, even the most down-to-earth and 'normal' music can come off as less-than-sincere/overly self-aggrandising, and therefore... pretentious.  |
Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: June 19 2008 at 06:58
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Well! Salmacis! Some serious analysis, at last!
I do seem to remember Van Morrison got rapped on the knuckles for referring to William Blake, DH Lawrence etc. once too often - but that was about 25 years ago, when he did it a lot, I suppose he was trying to educate himself, there have been few signs of such self-conscious posturing in recent years... As for ELP: I more or less agree with you. I enjoy most of the early albums (their debut, TARKUS, TRILOGY and BSS) but I can't help thinking poor Greg Lake sounds pretentious AS SOON AS HE OPENS HIS MOUTH, except for a few ballads, it's all in his voice and his delivery I'm afraid... As for PICTURES, I've always thought that was a disaster, and in this case the preposterous lyrics certainly don't help! Prog-haters will tell you tracks like "Firth of Fifth" or "And You and I" are pretentious, just because they're solemn, ecstatic and out-and-out romantic (things most listeners aren't looking for in rock 'n' roll), but as we all know these performers stir a part of us other bands just cannot reach... |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: June 19 2008 at 08:03
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That period of Van Morrison's career is my favourite- in the 90s, he'd toned down all his 'pretensions' and churned out dull pub blues albums. Give me 'Common One' any day- I tend to feel that is one of the most underrated albums of all time. It's simply beautiful music. But this was one time when he got an absolute drubbing from the press for- you guessed it- being 'pretentious'!
The worst things about 'Pictures...' are the lyrics and the awful bits where Keith Emerson uses that ribbon-controller thing to make some horribly dated sounds. It's a period piece for sure- more so than their other early 70s albums- but I've always liked the album.
As for Magma, I only have one 2-cd anthology which I quite like- I can see why they would be derided as pretentious but it's so genuinely otherworldly I think they just about get away with it. Mars Volta are often more self-indulgent than pretentious IMHO.
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Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: June 19 2008 at 08:52
| I quite like 'Rave on, John Donne', and 'You don't Pull no Punches but you don't Push the River'. INTO THE MUSIC and BEAUTIFUL VISION are another two of my favourite Van the Man albums. But he's still on great form! I saw him live last year, when most of the music was C&W (with a few sublime covers chucked in, such as 'Georgia on my mind') - the concert lasted exactly 88 minutes (as usual these days), but Van's voice is as good as ever and I truly enjoyed it. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: June 19 2008 at 12:24
I vote for unreality too! 
I know exactly what you mean about normal bands coming across as pretentious, purely due to their efforts to appear unpretentious. They need to relax a bit, buy themselves a nice Mellotron and just make some chilled spacey prog, instead of writitng whinging crap about being laid..or not, as the case may be. The Smiths are excused, as they done it with wonderful humour and great melodies..
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Posted By: SilverEclipse
Date Posted: June 22 2008 at 15:24
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When I think of prog, I just see musicians putting on a great show, live or in your own house through their albums. You want pretentious.... look at what U2 is nowadays. ------------- "and if the band your in starts playing different tunes, I'll see you on the dark side of the moon" |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: June 22 2008 at 15:29
Just looking at that picture makes me not want to have ANYTHING to do with that band. ------------- |
Posted By: song_of_copper
Date Posted: June 22 2008 at 15:45
I'm afraid it has quite the opposite effect on me. I am obviously beyond redemption. |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: June 22 2008 at 21:22
I'm exactly the same way. Hell, I'm starting to wonder if Vander is occasionally possessing me. ------------- 
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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: June 22 2008 at 21:27
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ELP by a country mile or metric kilometer. And gold medal laureates at that! ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: song_of_copper
Date Posted: June 23 2008 at 12:51
Well, as long as he does so with your informed consent, I guess that's ok...  |
Posted By: Philip
Date Posted: June 24 2008 at 10:22
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I answer Magma, but I must say that I like very much their pretentious atitudes,
Prog bands are said to be pretentious if we think they exagerate in something, as they sometimes do, but prog is exageration too sometimes.
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: September 27 2008 at 00:11
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I have to say all these bands.. pretty pretentious. Stravinsky though, he never let things go over his head. He was always a cool guy, calm, yet decisive. ------------- 
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Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: September 27 2008 at 02:35
| Other, RICK WAKEMAN SOLO albums. Except Henry VIII |
Posted By: Inferno
Date Posted: September 27 2008 at 12:08
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Magma easily win the ^pretentiousness
PS: to the guy that stated having suspicious tough about Gentle Giant...let me clarify something:
For having talking to Gary Green a couple of year ago, they we're suppose to do a reunion in the 90's for their own fun....after only one rehearsal, they abandoned the project. Why? Simply because they couldn't play those songs...too complicated for any musician that haven't played those song for years....
They didn't tried to be like, well, we are that good and our songs are too complicated to be played again you know...not at all, the simple fact of not practicing your instrument is why they can't play like they used to do in the 70's...pure honesty.
No pretentiousness here!
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: September 27 2008 at 12:11
I think they are all pretty pretentious. -------------
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: September 28 2008 at 16:42
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The act of judging pretension is a pretentious act onto itself. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: alanerc
Date Posted: September 28 2008 at 20:14
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ELP I couldn't stand their 1st album the 1st time They were so virtuosos, that I didn't find what the thing was |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: September 28 2008 at 21:45
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Every person that want to form a group of music (and wants money and fame), have a degree more or less in pretentious. In Every kind of music. -------------  |