Most Under Appreciated Musician
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Topic: Most Under Appreciated Musician
Posted By: chris210
Subject: Most Under Appreciated Musician
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 23:31
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This topic has probably been done a million times, but I like to get other peoples thoughts on who they think is the most under appreciated musician. In my humble opinion I think Greg Lake is under appreciated. Greg Lake is just a amazing all around musician I have loved everything he has done whether it be with King Crimson, ELP, or his solo stuff his work I have thought has been somewhat overlooked.( I also think ELP as a band is overlooked) |
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 23:39
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Me
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 05:20
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ELP overlooked? Greg Lake? Steve Hackett? Ok, they weren't among the first couple of thousand artists that came to mind. I say everyone in Area. Especially the drummer (Giulio Capiozzo). Lindsay Cooper. Both as player and composer. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 05:40
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Any band or group with more than 20 people replying here at PA in the last year is definitely NOT under appreciated. (BTW don't comparatively negative and positive adverbs cancel each other out?????).
Would suggest those we have been underwhelmed with in correspondence but deserve far more, will include Ollie Halsall, Brian Godding, T2.
Welcome Chris 210 enjoy - there is wealth of information here (quite abit of it debatable or heavily personalised, however,.......as they say: "buyer beware"). Again all Newbies are strongly recommended to check the search engine before posting correspondence based on what they read from thefew pages of PA that appear on early visits. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: chris210
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 11:06
| I knew this would be the reaction. I figured me saying those names would make me look stupid, but this is just my opinion and you have every right to disagree. |
Posted By: febus
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 11:15
HACKETT and LAKE underappreciated???  ...i think they're mentionned in polls or discussions quite often and very much so!
Let talk about MIKE RATLEDGE from SOFT MACHINE, M. NEUMEIER from GURU GURU, IAN CARR from NUCLEUS, JON HISEMAN from COLOSSEUM, DAVE GREENSLADE or KEVIN AYERS.
...Now we have underappreciated musicians and i am sure fellow posters will come with hundred other ''forgotten'' names ..
But hackett?????? he is everywhere here on PA. At least you didn't mention FRIPP or HoWE
  Welcome to PA anyway
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 11:21
Sorry to hop on the bandwagon, but those are two of the big names in prog, each with many admirers here. But as you said, it's your opinion - I will say after spending a lot of time here you may change your mind about it someday. |
chris210 wrote:Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 11:23
 that deserves some clappies... just because not everyone worships at the altar of Hackett or Lake (though prog fans should be excommunicated for not worshiping Lake at the very least ahhahha) That does not make them under appreciated. Brother Febus knows the true scripture brought down from the Mt. Sinai of prog by M@X's disciples... and those musicians he mentioned... deserve beautification here as well hahhaha ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 11:24
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In my vast prog collection, the first to come to mind is Mick Karn (ex-Japan) , a tremendously unique bassist. Roxy Music 's imperial Paul Thompson , surely among the finest skin bashers anywhere. Iona's guitar slinger Dave Bainbridge is fiery. Italian School of Prog stalwarts CAP , Brazil's Tempus Fugit , Sweden's Grandstand , USA's Lands End and Hungary's After Crying are all amazing yet entirely underappreciated. ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 11:24
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"everyone in Area" is the hottest response ever. totally agree with Rocktopus =)
the two musicians you mentioned are revered but often in silence. yet among the line-ups of slightly lesser known bands there are musicians we should be shouting about o:) like Tim Hodgkinson who must have played a greater part in Henry Cow's ensemble and composition than I had ever noticed before the last time I listened to In Praise of Learning ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 11:26
oh dear ;P ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 11:53
I certainly don't think Hackett is underappreciated (as it seems that many of the faithful Genesis brethren have never gotten over his departure) As for Lake, I do agree he is a very talented musician, but his gifts are mainly melodic and not technical. This was of great benefit to ELP for the first 5 albums as his contributions 'softened' their sound and made the technical maelstrom of Emerson and Palmer much more palatable to a wider audience. Unfortunately I feel Greg's contributions nosedived thereafter, as most of his output became rather bland/conservative and his solo side from the 'Works Volume 1' album must represent the most indelible stain on a great band's legacy. Despite a few good tracks, he must also be culpable for "Love Beach" being unworthy of the ELP moniker on the cover. Some of his solo material post ELP is quite good and he certainly gathered around him a fantastic touring band in the 80's including Gary Moore and Ted McKenna, but the highlights of the set were the older ELP/Crimson material. I think Greg's forte is the simple acoustic song and there are examples of great work in this style on the 'Black Moon' ELP album from 1992 eg 'Footprints in the Snow' and 'Affairs of the Heart' so he still has plenty 'gas in the tank' Unfortunately, Mr Lake has always had a weakness for twee melodrama and buttressing his creations with huge fleecy pillow arrangements eg 'I Believe in Father Xmas' and "Closer to Believing' which are both great songs suffocated under this excess. As for under appreciated proggers: Arthur Brown - should probably sue both Alice Cooper and Peter Gabriel. The theatrical elements of live performance as appropriated by rock all bear his inimitable "designer label' Tony Banks - not a brilliant technician, but a very tasteful player who has an unerring knack of playing the perfect simple part to enhance the musical materials on hand. The ultimate prog 'team-player' Franco Mussida - seems to be able to play any conceivable guitar style effortlessly and imbue it with his own unique musical personality. His contributions to the entire output of PFM are just to be marveled at. Patrick Moraz - has never been freely admitted into the pantheon of keyboard giants and you get the impression after reading reviews of his work that he is gatecrashing some sort of elite party ? Check out his work on 'Relayer' by Yes and the 'Refugee' album. A major talent. Ian Wallace - The drumming on Crimson's 'Islands' album almost redeems a very patchy record entirely. I know drummer friends who still sit in awe during 'Sailor's Tale' from that record. Vincent Crane - The organ work and arrangements on the 1st Crazy World of Arthur Brown album are truly sublime but seem to get relegated to '60's kitsch' on many of the reviews. A very underrated musician who perhaps suffered from Rooster's unwritten mandate to have to appease the metalheads most of the time. Brian Davison - Thankfully, the digital revolution at least lets us hear on remastered CDs some of the fantastic drumming Brian contributed to the Nice. He is up there on a par with Ginger Baker as far as 'jazz influenced' 60's rock players are concerned. ------------- 
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Posted By: Weston
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 12:46
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I think Martin Barre deserves more accolades. He's not exactly a prog guitarist, often relying on traditional blues patterns, but what he does of a proggish naature is very tasteful and subdued. There's a brief bridge part in Wond'ring Again I had thought were violins, but on listening closely I believe it's tastefull faded in guitar.
On the other hand his blistering solo in the live Bursting Out version of A New Day Yesterday could rearrange your DNA code.
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 12:57
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in my opinion Helmut Hattler. there are several bass polls on this forum; he is not named in one of them, though he is a supreme musician and highly influential in Germany. he played with Kraan, Guru Guru, Highdelberg, Liliental and Tab Two
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 12:58
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I have no idea who is the most under-appreciated around here. It could be one that is well known, but his/her contributions are not valued as highly as they should be, or it could be one that never gained much recognition, in which case it might be one that is very obscure. André Bernardi (bass player) doesn't get a great deal of attention here, though I've never heard anything bad said about his bass playing (Zeuhlers would know him). |
Posted By: Hawkwise
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 16:25
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Chris Karrer Guitar Violin Sax Vocals All round Krautrock Genius ------------- 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 16:30
nice... that answer deserves some clappies ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 16:49
I have to add that he also plays oud! -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 17:01
 I missed that on your quiz too damnit hahhahaI thought you meant loud.. and just left the L off  And chose the Rahib guy or something like that hahha ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 17:06
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I would say Martin Barre on guitars, duh!
John Evans on keys. Richard Wright, though the majority know he's splendid, he's obscured in PA by keymasters like Wakey and Keithy. |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 17:30
Rabih Abou-Khalil plays flute and oud (though lately he has completely stopped on the flute and concentrated on the oud, although he studied flute for several years). He is not in the archives yet, but we suggested him some time ago. We have been to two of his concerts, and they were excellent. His announcements (which he made in perfect German, without any accent even, although he did not come to Germany before he was 21; he was born and grew up in Lebanon) were really funny. Read this wikipedia entry about him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabih_Abou-Khalil - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabih_Abou-Khalil I personally think he should be added without delay; that wikipedia article gives enough information about him. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 17:34
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thanks Friede... checking it out. To be honest.. didn't know of him.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 17:49
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good stuff Friede...listening to him and completely enjoying it... if I ever make it out your way... I'd love to have a glance at your album collection.. I do love eclectic tastes in music.
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Posted By: Josh_M
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 20:42
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Kristopher Rygg from Borknagar, Arcturus, and Ulver. He's a VERY good vocalist..hitting falsettos, screams, and grunts. Not to mention, he's a music producer, audio engineer, and a composer. One of my favorite vocalists and one of the most under appreciated vocalists in all of metal.
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Posted By: Statutory-Mike
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 23:09
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: June 06 2008 at 07:16
Kerry Minnear and Gary Green of Gentle Giant are never really mentioned, which is a shame because they can do just about anything they like on their instruments. Another one i find, a drummer this time, is Jon Theodore of The Mars Volta. A superb drummer, with very precise technique and very creative, his name hasn't been mentioned once 
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 06 2008 at 08:26
| I don't know about 'most' (superlatives always leave me somewhat doubtful), but I do agree with those who mentioned Martin Barre (one of my favourite guitarists of all - not being a musician, I appreciate feeling over technique). Another sadly underappreciated musician (and vocalist), in my view, is Richard Sinclair, who very rarely gets a mention either in 'best singer' or 'best bassist' polls. |
Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: June 06 2008 at 09:45
He is a great musician, he can deliver many vocal styles... and some pen names.(Garm, Trickster G. Rex.etc)
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Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: June 06 2008 at 09:50
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Chris Karrer is certainly underappreciated. I do feel that Greg Lake is a little under-estimated sometimes, and his contributions are too often overlooked (any fan of Crimson absolutely MUST heard the In Concert versions of Schizoid Man and Court with Gary Moore). Now, thinking about it: Lost Crimson Musicians (ha): David Cross (...ish) (certainly too easily ignored for his work on Larks', Red and SABB. He basically makes Larks' for me.) Gordon Haskell (superb bass-work on Lizard, even if his very theatrical vocals aren't to everyone's taste) Ian Wallace, as mentioned above, does some wonderful work on Islands. Andy McCulloch's contributions on Lizard aren't bad at all either. Now: Jon Camp (bassist for Renaissance). I've only got Scheherazade, so I can't fully comment yet, but I have to say that his bass style made that for me. |
Posted By: zachfive
Date Posted: June 07 2008 at 00:12
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-Non Prog Comment- (but a musician is a musician so...) I know he's a big named drummer but I think Ginger Baker of cream is very underrated, mainly due to everyones high opinions of Clapton, but still very talented and very little talked about. and in my opinion Cream should be considered prog, but ehh.. plus I bet that some people would disagree. |
Posted By: ten years after
Date Posted: June 07 2008 at 00:44
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Under-appreciated is not entirely an appropriate expression but i think Peter Townshend's contribution to progressive rock does not always get the recognition it deserves. Some on this forum have even suggested that The Who were not a progreswsive rock band.. Townshend's early experiments with conceptual pieces such as Rael and "A Quick One..." helped develop the foundations for prog and it would not be unreasonable to nominate the release of Tommy as the event that kick-started the genre. On the "Live at Leeds" album the extended version of "My Generation" is a tour de force that incorporates some of the best progressive guitar work ever produced (and quickly abandons any resemblance to the song it is named after) as Townshend explores every 'corner' of the instrument. The concept of Lifehouse would have been among the highlights of the 70s had it come to fruition. As it was Who's Next was a magnificent progressive album with Baba O'Reilly and Won't Get fooled again in particular deserving the highest praise. And then there was Quadrophenia....
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 07 2008 at 01:19
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Posted By: ten years after
Date Posted: June 07 2008 at 02:01
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There's no point going into a prolonged debate as to what constitutes progressive rock but it would have to be a very narrow definition that excluded Tommy, Quadrophenia and the cornerstone tracks of Who's Next.
Tommy is definitely rather different to "pure rock". Overture, Underture, Amazing Journey/Sparks, We're Not Gonna Take It and the string of tracks that make up side 3 are hardly typical Rock. Pinball Wizard was far from typial of what Pop songs at the time (or since). Personally i don't rate Tommy as "the start of prog" or anything like it but it was a huge landmark in it's early development. Groups like The Pretty Things, Nirvana and The Small Faces had all produced concept albums but were hardly what you might call influential. The idea of a Rock Opera from a major band suddenly meant that anything was possible and marketable.
The original My Generation was in no way prog and certainly influenced punk but that's not relevant to what i'm saying. The version on Live at Leeds is 14 minutes of highly structured and explorative music that links the original theme of My Generation with a series of musical themes from Tommy.
The use of organ, synthesiser and violin on Who's Next was highly experimental in the best prog tradition and if Quadrophenia is not progressive rock i don't know what is.
Above all Townshend's approach in the late 60s and early 70s was a constant search for new ways of developing rock music way beyond the confines of the Blues which dominated Heavy Rock. This puts him firmly into the Progressive Rock world IMO.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 07 2008 at 02:11
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My point Ten Years After is that in Prog Archives seems we need to link a band with Prog in order to consider them good, The Who are one of the best bands ever without the need of being Prog.
Quadrophenia is the closer they get to Prog, but remember it's a MOD anthem, and MODS are the predecessors of Punk.
I aleways believed that while Beatles and even Rolling Stones (with Satanic Majesties Request) were exploring oriental influences, The Who were one of the most conservative Blues Rock Based band reluctant to fully embrace Psychedelia..
Yes, they used keyboards and violin, but the instrument doesn't make Prog, the music itselff does, and I agree, Amazing Jourmney,. Overture and Underture are Proggy, but the rest of Tommy don't.
Cheers.
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Posted By: ten years after
Date Posted: June 07 2008 at 04:04
Cheers Ivan. I suppose this illustrates the point i'm making.
Although you obviously fully appreciate the contribution Townshend made to music, i believe you under-appreciate his contribution to Progressive Rock. Many people do the same which is why i nominated him in this thread.
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Posted By: Santerre
Date Posted: June 08 2008 at 17:11
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For my first post, I'll say Christian Veder from Magma. This guy's a genius. |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: June 08 2008 at 18:00
Sorry Ivan you are fair from being correct, so toss that so-called modern history book away. Mod movement was no way the predecessor (and I presume you mean musically) to punk. The Mod movement were very fashion oriented and heavily into American RnB, and British bands that specialised in it e.g. originally Georgie Fame, Graham Bond, (both had come out of the London jazz scene), Geno Washington (US militray man who took leave in London ad occasionally sang with Georgie Fame before forming his own RamJam Band) and then Who, Small Faces (a face was somebody who was thought cool by the mods) . There have been a couple of excellent series on BBC 4, e.g. Soul Britannia, over the last two years, each of which spent an hour examining this particular period. Musically the Mods on their Lambrettas were supposed to be opposite in taste to the leather clad, motor-bike riding rockers (who you might say followed on from the teddyboys, themselves far from extinct). And at the same time the beats or beatniks were still around (a hang over from the 50's) - discovered them myself back in the late 60's going to see The Temperance Seven. The fashion thing lead to Carnaby Street, seguing into the colourful clothes of the London underground/hippy scene. The early skin head movement was in opposition to the "freaks" or the hippies - which always struck me as ironic as the violent skin heads were into the gentle reggae music whilst the gentle hippies enjoyed the musical violence of Hendrix.... ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 09 2008 at 01:09
I believe you're taking only part of what MOD meant Dick:
Punk claims and names the MOD lifestyle as their natural ancestor, as a fact the MOD is a movement born in the low working class of Great Britain and it's an aphorism for "Clean living under diffucult circumstances", they cared for fashion, and as a fact they had their own fashion oposed to Psychelia fashion.
The MODS were essentially a violent culture, full of rage and hatred among the upper classes, they were organized among violent gangs that despised the Beat generation, hated The Beatles and the Hippies.
Mod minimalism is the musical movement in which the three chord rock was born, their preference was towards Ska and Power Rock, this was retaken by the Punks in a more aggressive way, they left the fashion (well, created their own fashion also) and the motorcycle (vespa) for a simple aggressive behaviour and a strng anarchis,m.
As a fact all the Punk sites claim Mod generation as their direct predecessor:
You can check an interesting article:
The seminal Proto Punk band is THE KINKS, they are venerate by the Punks and of course we all know that THE KINKS emerged from the MOD - Garage Rock scene of the 60's
So it's correct to say that The Punks didn't had the SAME fashion obsession of the MODS but the Punks rescued the values of the MODS and their dislike for a society they believed rejected them.
Every Punk and MOD source links them, that's easy to verify, so there are hundreds of books I would have to throw away
.Iván
EDIT:Some more quotes Dick:
I could mention not 10, probably 100 sources that make the Mod - Punk connection, and it's undeniable, unless you place the emphasis in the superfluous and early elemenst of the Mods , but the Mod movement evolved, became more and mnore violent, their fights with the Rockers are legendary, there was a strong anarchist sector of them which are considered almost as Proto Punks:
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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: June 09 2008 at 01:27
| There's a New England band called rane that I think very highly of but have never heard people mention. |
Posted By: Prospero
Date Posted: June 10 2008 at 02:01
| Ian Underwood, where is he now? |
Posted By: Prospero
Date Posted: June 10 2008 at 02:03
| Ian Underwood, where is he? |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: June 10 2008 at 18:26
I think it always help to have firsthand knowledge having been there and done that. I don't recognise much of the exactness of a lot of your second and third hand histories of periods of often chaotic/anarchic youth cultural shifts that lasted often less than a year, especially wrt the musical evolution and tastes. It is not that categoric. The Who were lower middle class like me, Small Faces more working class - both classes were on low incomes, and in a period when we could start to forget some the deprivations because of the aftermath of World War 2 . To repeat that brief period of history had move on by the time of the hippies - it was the skinheads who were anti-hippy. Many mods bands evolved into underground bands followed by many a mod. You'll note btw a lot of Paul Weller's retro-rock has echoes of Traffic, Nick Drake and even Family. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: June 10 2008 at 18:39
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What seems to be missing from these "histories" is the influence of R'N'B - how can you write about a British mod scene without including the influences of the likes of John Lee Hooker - how many mod bands covered Boom Boom Boom in their acts, and then there was the rise of Atlantic Stax soul (Otis Redding took off amongst white British fans before he hit America, Sam & Dave are on record stating how important was the British scene to the success of their music). Every Friday night to "start the weekend" we had the TV show Ready Steady Go, crammed with mod bands and soul bands, surrounded by the faces.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 10 2008 at 23:49
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: June 11 2008 at 07:55
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Simon King of Hawkwind and Opal Butterfly fame is IMO one of the great 1970s rock drummers but I've never seen him get as many dues as Neil Peart, Bill Ward or even Ian Paice. ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: June 11 2008 at 07:56
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Matthew Parmenter of DISCIPLINE
Woitek Szadkowski of COLLAGE and SATELLITE |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: June 11 2008 at 07:58
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Oh yeah, and through Cirith Ungol aren't on these archives IIRC their original lead guitarist Jerry Fogle (RIP) would in an ideal world be just as revered as Michael Schenker or Glenn Tipton. ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: paolo.beenees
Date Posted: June 11 2008 at 10:17
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The late Germano Serafin, guitarist in Le Orme from 1976 to 1980 (between "Storia o Leggenda" and "Piccola Rapsodia dell'Ape). Everybody keeps on forgetting him and his astounding elegance. Also in Italy, when TV broadcast and magazines mention some Italian guitarists, he's never in the bunch. That's a real pity. ------------- 
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 07:34
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Dave Stewart is on the same level as Wakeman and Emerson and my personal favorite keyboard player. But since he jumped around from band to band and was never part of any real big one he always seems to get forgoten. ------------- 
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 15:00
this gets the coveted 5 clappy award |
Posted By: Leningrad
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 15:18
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I'm going to agree with 'every member of Area'.
I'd also like to add Michael Karoli of Can, whose improvisations are absolutely incredible and yet he somehow never gets mentioned in polls. |
Posted By: kenmartree
Date Posted: June 23 2008 at 08:36
I second the vote of Mattew Parmenter, vocalist and multiinstrumentalist, so maybe he's not so underappreciated
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Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: June 23 2008 at 15:19
Great drumming on Eno's Here Come the Warm Jets too. ------------- "The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time." |
Posted By: keiser willhelm
Date Posted: June 23 2008 at 17:22
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There are thousands who deserve so much attention but the first name that popped in my head was toby driver of Maudlin of the Well and Kayo Dot. he has made, at least for me, the most exciting music of the last 10 years. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/KeiserWillhelm" rel="nofollow - What im listening to |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: June 23 2008 at 21:44
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Keyboardist Richard Barbieri ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: preqT0THEseq7
Date Posted: June 29 2008 at 16:55
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Guitarist Paul Waggoner pretty much everyone from BTBAM ------------- Idk, My BFF Steve. http://imageshack.us"> 
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Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: June 29 2008 at 17:17
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The most underapriciated musician? I'm gonna have to go with Jake Reid. -------------   |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: June 29 2008 at 17:21
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Jake Reid singlehanded paved the way for such as ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: June 29 2008 at 17:22
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Poist rock would not exist as we know it today without Jake Reid's pioneering work.
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Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: June 29 2008 at 20:59
| I would argue Josh Scammell's earlier, more obscure works are even more important for the development of Poist rock. |
Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: June 29 2008 at 21:02
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I would argue Aaron Novick is by far the most prolific and ingenious poist-rock musician to date. In addition, he helped invent the atomic bomb, which took sonic loudness to innovative new levels. Also, Christian Vander because he isn't the intended subject of every thread ever. WHAT DO YOU MEAN THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT MAGMA! |
Posted By: Kestrel
Date Posted: July 01 2008 at 02:39
| I think the musicians in Jethro Tull are generally overlooked, but all made important contributions to an amazing band. I can't even remember all of their names like I can for most of the other major prog bands. |
Posted By: jimidom
Date Posted: July 01 2008 at 13:40
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Lyle Mays of the Pat Metheny Group ------------- "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." - HST |
Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: July 01 2008 at 13:46
| John Petrucci FFS! |
Posted By: Grimfurg
Date Posted: July 04 2008 at 17:10
I agree with everything you have to say. Especially for Area's keyboardist, he's absolutely crazy! And Fred Frith is kinda underrated, but most of HC is underrated anyway. ------------- http://regulab.bandcamp.com/album/vol-i/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: July 04 2008 at 17:42
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Steve Hillage -gt
John Foxx- k
Mick Karn-b
Zoltan Csorsz- drs
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: July 04 2008 at 20:06
Excellent! Such an amazing keyboardist(right?) from an amazing overlooked jazz fusion group.
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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: July 09 2008 at 23:19
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Oh! I forgot Phil Manzanera . ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: July 10 2008 at 02:27
Aaron Novick stole a number of things from Jake Reid, including but not limited to: -The Poist-Rock sound -The atomic bomb -Loudness -The line "What do you mean this thread isn't about Magma" -Posting -Existing -Knowing things -Liking Magma -Having good musical taste Reid is still superior in every single catagory. ------------- |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: July 10 2008 at 02:34
| Gustavo Bazterrica, the guitarist from La Máquina de Hacer Pájaros. Since this is a rather under-appreciated phase in Charly García's career, it's easy to see why the band's guitarist doesn't really get much recognition. |
Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: July 10 2008 at 07:37
| Chris Caffery and Criss Oliva. |
Posted By: the_binkster
Date Posted: July 11 2008 at 12:54
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The first name that sprang to mind when I saw this....John Paul Jones....always overshadowed by his bandmates but a fantastic musician and surely the best pre-Jaco bassist. |
Posted By: Statutory-Mike
Date Posted: July 11 2008 at 16:23
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Paul Waggoner -------------
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Posted By: preqT0THEseq7
Date Posted: July 11 2008 at 18:57
Thank You ------------- Idk, My BFF Steve. http://imageshack.us">
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: July 11 2008 at 22:42
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Roman Bunka of Embryo, Aera and solo albums; he also played on several progressive radio plays, like for example "Goldberg - Ein Dutzend Täuschungen" by Maria Volk, an album that also featured (among others) Holger Czukay of Can and Robert Fripp. fantastic guitar and oud player, but hardly anyone knows him. Friede and I suggested "progressive radio plays" as a new category once; F. M. Einheit of the Einstürzende Neubauten did a few of them too. an excerpt pf an example for a prog radio play ("Eschen Junge Zwo", also by Maria Volk) can be heard here; the full play is an hour long: http://www.podcast.de/player/player/action/list/listId/10266/type/channel/showId/737495/ - http://www.podcast.de/player/player/action/list/listId/10266/type/channel/showId/737495/ it helps if you understand German, but I think you can figure out what a "prog radio play" is ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: ten years after
Date Posted: July 12 2008 at 06:22
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The resurrected Wakeman Vs Greenslade Poll is a reminder of an under-appreciated musician.
Guess which one i'm referring to.
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Posted By: preqT0THEseq7
Date Posted: July 18 2008 at 13:10
Savatage is okay. But TSO is incredible, I like Skolnick better than Caffery though. Caffery is more under-appreciated though because nobody really knows who he is. Oliva is just kinda there. ------------- Idk, My BFF Steve. http://imageshack.us">
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Posted By: Statutory-Mike
Date Posted: July 18 2008 at 13:16
NP -------------
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: July 18 2008 at 19:58
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Daniel Denis of Univers Zero and Present!
He's a fantastic musician, both as a drummer and songwriter, but he's awfully overlooked. His drumming is amazing, and unique. Listen to UZ's "Dense" and judge by yourself, one of my most preferred drummers, no doubt. ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: July 28 2008 at 20:35
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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: July 28 2008 at 20:47
I agree especially in popular music,it makes me feel ill that Phil Collins is a house held name and Zappa isn't! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: keiser willhelm
Date Posted: July 28 2008 at 22:50
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Toby Driver. im a fanboy now. officially. But he rocks my socks off. MotW, Kayo Dot, Tarter Lamb, the man can do no wrong. and he can shred on guitar and clarinet! How cool! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/KeiserWillhelm" rel="nofollow - What im listening to |
Posted By: RoidRageOnStage
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 13:07
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Organplayers: Vincent Crane (Atomic Rooster, Crazy World Of Arthur Brown)
Graham Fields (Rare Bird, Fields)
Jean-Jacques Kravetz (Frumpy, Atlantis)
Mick Deacon (The Greatest Show On Earth)
These are some of the best organists ever... sadly not often remembered
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Posted By: mobby
Date Posted: October 31 2008 at 05:37
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for me the most under appreciated musicians in prog are, 1-guitars: frank bornemann..in my opinion he is not adequately appreciated as a top guitarist / cliff jackson of epitaph..remember him??
2-keys: have to agree with above post , vince crane..such a musical genius. one of the best yet sadly hardly anyone mentions anymore
3-drums: mark lavallee of lands end and keith harrison of pineapple thief
4-bass:..yes another eloy member, klaus peter matziol..truly one of the best bassists in the world,
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Posted By: fusionfreak
Date Posted: October 31 2008 at 07:25
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Jean Luc Chevalier from Magma:his fusion styled guitar is awesome in Magma's new 2cd set of Bourges 1979!Yoshida Tatsuya(except Zeuhlers)does not seem to be overappreciated,John Du Cann(Andromeda,Atomic Rooster....)too ------------- I was born in the land of Mahavishnu,not so far from Kobaia.I'm looking for the world of searchers with the help from crimson king |
Posted By: RoidRageOnStage
Date Posted: October 31 2008 at 08:23
Good ones.
Bornemann is totally outstanding.
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Posted By: Hawkwise
Date Posted: October 31 2008 at 09:40
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The Capt of the Ship Dave Brock !!!!!!! been flying the Space Ship Hawkwind for nearly 40 years now -------------
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Posted By: febus
Date Posted: October 31 2008 at 10:22
Keyboardist BRIAN AUGER ....seems forgotten these days!
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: October 31 2008 at 11:43
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsutomu_%C5%8Chashi - this guy and his band http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geinoh_Yamashirogumi - Geinoh Yamashirogumi .
it's a huge collective so it only makes sense to choose the founder. his band not being in the archives despite repeated mentions by Honganji and I certainly qualifies him for being a little underappreciated, too. ;P you've heard some of his music if you've ever watched the cult anime film Akira. ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: October 31 2008 at 12:57
| Cliff Williams of AC/DC is a really ace dexterous and nimble bassist...................................................................... ........................................................................................................................................................................honest. |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: October 31 2008 at 17:01
Yeah, where? Many of Zappa's musicians are kinda MIA. My suggestions: Stephane Galland of Aka Moon fame (obscurity) - a stupidly good drummer, easily among the very best drummers on PA, pure bliss to listen to. But very few people seem to be aware of him. Andy McCulloch (drummer on KC's Lizard ) really fun and quirky playing there. |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: October 31 2008 at 17:12
Also, by actively incorporating astrology into his songwriting process (didn't the liner notes to several Hawkwind albums go into detail about this?) he's proven it's good for something after all! Seriously - he's also a very good rhythm guitarist. A lot of his playing is much more difficult than it initially sounds. More candidates? Maybe he's not underrated here in the prog fan community but I find that Robin Trower never really got the dues he deserved. ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: RoidRageOnStage
Date Posted: October 31 2008 at 18:12
Bridge Of Sighs is a stunner!
Well he have more great albums though that single albums means much for me...
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Posted By: Bitterblogger
Date Posted: October 31 2008 at 18:16
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Chris Wood of Traffic
Ric Laird of Mahavishnu Orchestra
Igor Khoroshev (now of ?)
All
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Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: October 31 2008 at 20:14
For under-appreciated artists, take a look at the long list of unreviewed albums residing somewhere on this site :-) Generally, most artists playing prog that came into existence in the last 20 years or so would fall into this category imho. Not all, but something like 80% of them ;-) ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |