Vinyl Junkies
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Topic: Vinyl Junkies
Posted By: Hawkwise
Subject: Vinyl Junkies
Date Posted: June 03 2008 at 20:09
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Well seeing as i am kinda new around here don't know anyone ,who are the Vinyl Junkies ? What are your most prized albums ? might not be that supper dooper rare one it just might be the record that means a lot to you, also what is that one Record you been hunting down but just can get your hands on ? I think my most Prized Collection would be my Amon Duul 2 collection , i bought my First Duul Album Phallus Dei in 1974 from second hand Shop for 90 pence i only bought because i thought Penis God was a cool name for a album , But when i got it home played it just blew me away , so very next day i took a trip up to London and bought all the Duul albums i could find, I also Love my Caravan collection Man didn't Decca press good Vinyl , Also i have to Mention On The Threshold of a Dream the Moody Blues because i can remember as a 15 year old kid going in to my Older brothers bed room and tacking it into Mine i have always loved that album and it's lovely big Lyric Book, The one album that i so want to get my Hands on is Fairfield Parlour (original first pressing ) From Home to Home , i had this Wonderful record once but it got stomped on by a size 11 boot, it was one of those nights back in the day when it was all back to my place for a smoke after the Pub, some bright spark decided to skin up on my Fairfield album then put it on the floor, someone coming back from the Toilet stepped on it NOOOOOOOOO of course there are Many other Vinyl albums i still wish to buy , to list them i would be here all night. LONG LIVE VINYL !!!!! ------------- 
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: June 03 2008 at 20:29
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I have a huge collection of albums. My most prized are my collection of modern and avant-garde composers, especially the electronic pieces. These records cost a fortune on ebay, but I have acquired most for a dollar or less at music school sales and even thrift stores. My favorite progressive rock albums are all of the King Crimson albums up through Starless, except Islands, great music and great packaging too. ------------- Help the victims of the russian invasion: http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28523&PID=130446&title=various-ways-you-can-help-ukraine#130446 |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 03 2008 at 21:17
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I have a bit of vinyl but I am not a junkie, I have reformed. I admit I was a junkie when it was the medium of choice. Actually for me it wasn't. I'd immediately record the thing to cassette to avoid needle damage. DBX made poor copies if you listened to it on a non-DBX player, which is why Dolby won out. On a DBX deck though, you'd get sound that matched the LP. For those not familiar with DBX, it compressed the sound to get past the limitations of tape (hiss, etc.) and then reconstituted it to it's previous uncompressed sound. Unless my fuzzy mind is mistaken, Dolby was just about noise reduction. The LP format when it comes to album art can't be beat though. To throw out a little barb. Why have a VHS when you can have a DVD? And believe you me, I have made copies of VHS I have to DVD. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Yorkie X
Date Posted: June 03 2008 at 21:45
| I can't enjoy listening to vinyl much any more these days with the high end pro logic 5.1 amps and speaker technology the way its advanced so much I like to know the recording I'm listing to is designed for such optimum conditions, even old Cd's I struggle to fully enjoy I take it upon myself to remaster them to make sure no bandwidth goes to waist (except a bit of head room) ever looked at a Vinyl record ripped to mp3 on a spectrum analyzer ? its amazing they ever sounded any good . |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 03 2008 at 22:07
Not the spectrum analyzer... aieee!!!! |
Yorkie X wrote:Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: June 03 2008 at 22:08
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My most prized vinyls regardless of rarity status...
Alan Parsons Project - I Robot
Yes- Tales From Topographical Oceans
Genesis - Nursery cryme
Caravan - Too many to mention - Yes, Decca/Deram were excellent quality pressings
Camel - Moonmadness( double gatefold sleeve with deliberate creases)
Mike Oldfield- Boxed
Gravy Train - Second Birth
I would have to say that my favourite label in the 70's was Charisma
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Posted By: explodingjosh
Date Posted: June 03 2008 at 22:58
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Ohhh yes I love my vinyl. The art is bigger, the process of playing music is a little more meticulous than just clicking the 'play' button with your mouse.... its all very pretentious, but it does make the music listening seem a little more special. I rip all of my vinyl to the computer to also avoid needle damage (even though I buy mostly used, so who knows how much damage has already been done....) And NO, vinyls do NOT sound 'better' than CDs, nor vice-versa.... It's a matter of preference, either format has its own qualities and inferiorities to the other. I like both for different reasons. edit: I didn't even answer any of Hawkwise's questions.... I think some of the most prized ones I have are the ones that I have framed on my bedroom wall: KC's Discipline, Mahavishnu's Birds of Fire, Pat Metheny Group Offramp and Brand X Unorthodox Behaviour.... I reallly reallly like the combination of fusion with vinyl, and I've really been keeping an eye out for Bruford's One of a Kind and Allan Holdsworth's Metal Fatigue. ------------- 
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Posted By: Hawkwise
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 02:06
Thank you now there someone who understands collecting Vinyl , spectrum analyzer. Lmao now that's funny oh dear laffin , Me i use Soundforge 8.0 along with Q Base being a Musician for 30 years or so i do know a little bit about recording and sound, laffin but there more to Vinyl Collecting than Just the sound , still laffin here , spectrum analyzer oh dear oh dear It's a matter of preference, either format has its own qualities and inferiorities to the other. I like both for different reasons. Well put Sir, -------------
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Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 02:07
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MMMMMM vinyls. My collection is on its way to 4000 if it hasn't already gotten there (and in only 5 years time!). Love the sound, the art, the whole spirit. Its magnificent. If anything were to happen to them I would be...well many bad things to put it cryptically. Prized Lps? Four Movements for a Fashionable Five Toed Dragon by Carmen Moore Neil Young - Time Fades Away (sounds incredible) Keith Jarret - Hymn Spheres Sahara - For All the Clowns Henry Kaiser, Sang Wan Park - Invite the Spirit Hamza El Din - Escalay, Eclipse Jade Warrior - Last Autumns Dream Magma - Udu Wudu The Fourth Way - The Sun and Moon Have Come Together Rare Bird - s/t The first four John Cale albums Badger - One Live Badger Spooky Tooth/Pierre Henry - Ceremony Nitzinger - One Foot in History Then there are some from the past 30 years of Alt. Rock that are included but that section is off limits to me until the morning. But features the likes of Ghost, GY!BE, Sioxsie and the Banshees, Cocteau Twins, The Unknown, and so on. Robert Savage - The Adventures of Robert Savage Edit: Some of the albums I've been searching for but haven't got a hold of yet are compositions by Ligetti, the vinyl set of Philip Glass's entire Music in 12 Parts, Eddie Hazel's solo album Games, Dames..., the first Dukes of the Stratosphear album, early Yoko Ono albums excluding the first Plastic Ono Band album. |
Posted By: Hawkwise
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 02:11
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Oh yeah and i don't Rip my Vinyl to a crappy Mp3 ether , Render 44,100 Hz, 16 Bit, Stereo PCM wave file. thank you very much -------------
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Posted By: Hawkwise
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 02:15
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Badger - One Live Badger Now your talking , Great Tunes Top Cover Art
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Posted By: 33rpm
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 02:17
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I love vinyl! There is no other way to listen, if possible. My most prized LP's are all of them! ------------- Vinyl just sounds better!! |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 02:17
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i like vinyl. it's more serious listening and there's more of a ritual to it. it feels more alive than cd. says nothing for the audio quality, though. i'll be an audiophile soon. give me 5 years. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Hawkwise
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 02:18
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Nice !!!
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 02:22
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I'm really an mp3 dork because the internet amazes me... but I might not be into music at all had I not experienced the ceremony of rotating Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells on a record deck like some revered custodian of sound o:) ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: *frinspar*
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 02:47
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Of course I had vinyl growing up. Then I discarded everything for tapes, then CDs.  A few years ago my wife bought me one of those nifty retro turntables for Valentine's Day. It was fun to play the few old LPs I still had. And since then I've been looking at various places I go that have or might have LPs and picking some up. Then, last year, the Mrs. bought me a USB turntable to dub all that stuff to digital format. Some I've stored as the large original wave format. I've converted them also to MP3 to fit into the ipod. Others that don't really require such attention get stored as MP3 only. I've found a few nice prog LPs, nothing really worth any measure of pride. But it's nice to have. And then I've picked up a lot of crap just for fun.  I generally don't play the LPs much for the simple reasons of ease-of-use with CDs, and the continual breakdown of the LP surface with each placement of the needle. I see there's a resurgence in interest in vinyl across the age spectrum. That's kind of neat. But when it comes down to it, digital audio and the formats for its play are far superior to the actual sound of vinyl. But the draw and warm appeal of vinyl is undeniable to those who enjoy it. |
Posted By: Yukorin
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 03:21
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Massive vinyl junkie. Couple of standouts for me: Heldon (all mint)
Motorhead (everything they released up to and including Iron Fist on coloured vinyl/wax whatever)
about 100 Stockhausen LPs including a 10 inch Gesand Der Jungling ------------- 
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Posted By: KeleCableII
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 03:24
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Probably my Genesis records, along with Godbluff and Still Life, and In the Court. I also have this "Greatest Hits" Genesis record that is just Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot put together. It has an awesome cover though. I thought it was really rare but I've seen it a couple of times since. :/ I also have this Genesis Japanese import that is pretty cool. I'm thinking about buying some records on eBay that have cool covers like Gabriel's Britannia costume. I'm going to a record show Saturday and I'm really hoping to find Pawn Hearts, Si On Avait and Octopus. One record I would love to own is Anglagard's Hybris but it's so expensive. |
Posted By: Rubidium
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 03:49
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I bought a USB turntable earlier this year, and I love it. I've spent the better part of the last few months making mp3s of old LPs and cassettes (it was a happy day when I realized that I could connect my headphone extension chord into my old tape player and plug the other end into to microphone input on my laptop so that I could make mp3s of cassettes too. It's a ghetto hookup, but it works). I'm only 24, so I didn't have a chance to accumulate a vinyl collection growing up. But I've started going to thrift stores once a week looking for old LPs and cassettes. In the past six months I've probably bought about 600 albums averaging about 50 cents each. I do it mainly as a means to (legally) create a decent sized music library without spending much money. When you figure that I spent $100 for the turntable plus approximately $300 on the albums, that's a pretty good price for hundreds of hours of music. I think the thing I like best about the vinyl is that you can only rip mp3s in real time, unlike with cds. That way when I make my mp3s, I'm actually forced to listen to the music. It seems like every time I buy used CDs at a record store I buy five of them, listen to two of them, get distracted by something shiny, and then I never listen to the others. I still have CDs sitting around that I never got around to listening to. But the vinyl forces me to listen to the music. Combine that with the seemingly random selection of albums that one can actually find in a thrift store, and I'm listening to a ton of music that I would otherwise never have access to. Just today I made mp3s of albums by Weather Report, America, Joan Jett, and The Marshall Tucker Band. And queued up I have albums by the Who, Nazareth, the Carpenters, and Phil Collins. Of all of those bands, the only ones I'd ever consider buying a CD of are America, Weather Report, and the Who. So as a young'un who didn't get to grow up with this music, it's great and is broadening my musical horizons. Unfortunately, one doesn't usually find many prog albums sitting around in thrift stores, so my collection is rather pathetic when compared to that of some of the older members here. But I am fond of some of the prog albums I've been able to find. I have copies of albums by Yes, Genesis, Jethro Tull, ELP, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Weather Report, Dixie Dregs, Steve Hackett, Starcastle, Deep Purple, Moody Blues, the Who, Frank Zappa, Styx, Kansas, ELO, Asia, and a few others. Still though, I wouldn't call myself a vinyl junkie. But it is extremely satisfying to listen to a record when the original owner took good care of it. And when that's the case, it's even more satisfying to know that I have a recording of near CD quality and I paid a fraction the price. Of course, it's also extremely frustrating to try to listen to an album that is dirty and scratched to the point that it is unlistenable. But for fifty cents, it's a risk I'm willing to make  |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 06:59
Here's something interesting about vinyls. Ever look at them with a blacklight? Some of you may know what I'm talking about.
Fifty cents? Fifty cents? The going rate for used vinyl in my neighborhood back in the day was $2 for a single and $3 for a double. In addition to the cool cover art you usually got with a double, the cover was useful for a certain activity that another few you would know what I'm talking about.
This will make you jealous, I still have my t-shirts from the Discipline and Offramp concerts I saw. Both at the same venue (the Atlanta Agora) which I was too young to be at at the time, but got in due to attending with friends and family.  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 07:16
Not to mention your Zeuhl-ultrararities or Klaus Wunderlich multiples. Just an amateur myself. Got a couple of thousand, though. But hooked. Love a great, thick re-issue almost as much as as the original version. It seems one of my own rarest albums is a (fantastic) Xenakis, Mãche and Solal clavecin & percussion-album. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: friso
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 07:33
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All prog recorded before 1980 should be consumed on a vinyl record. I just sounds so much better! But OK, I will quickly end this endless discussion. My favourite vinyl records are:
King Crimson - The Court of the Crimson King / In the Wake of Poseidon
Gentle Giant - Every record till Intverview
Kayak - See see the sun / The second / Royal Bed bounder / The Last Encore
Can - Monstermovie / Soundtracks / Tago Mago / Edge Bombyasi / Future Days
Jethro Tull - Thick as a brick, Stormwatch, Aqualung
Supertramp - Crises, what crises?
Focus - Hamburger Concerto / Moving Waves
Pink Floyd - Almost everything
And lots more, I have over 200 records on vinyl
... I am a junk, am I?...
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Posted By: Kimoi
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 08:17
I'm wth you
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Posted By: Kimoi
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 08:19
I'm a purest. Reissues equals death.
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Posted By: Zwerg Bart
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 09:13
I love vinyl! I really prefer the format for jazz and most prog (excluding prog metal, which would be silly on vinyl). It just has a feel to it that I feel adds to the atmosphere.
I had a record store right nextdoor for a while, but sadly it burned down.  I guess the upside is I actually have a few dollars in my wallet on a more regular basis, but I miss that place so...
I don't have any terribly rare LPs, my prized records just happen to be my favorites of the collection:
Captain Beefheart- Trout Mask Replica
Frank Zappa/The Mothers- Weasels Ripped My Flesh and Hot Rats
King Crimson- Starless and Bible Black
Camel- Mirage
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Posted By: jalist
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 09:44
| My most prized albums are my Roger Dean collection - Yes, Budgie, Greenslade etc. If anyone has got a copy of Osibisa's flying elephants cover (http://www.connollyco.com/discography/osibisa/woyaya_hi.jpg) going spare lemme know :) |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 10:01
Excuse me? I own more than a dozen current prog metal releases on vinyl, and most of them sound really great!. Plus they often have cool vinyl effects (transparent, marble, picture etc.) and they're often limited editions with only about 1000 copies ... great collectors' items! ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: Hawkwise
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 10:58
Also have you ever tried Skinning up on a Cd cover  much nicer on a lovely Album -------------
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 13:59
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well, the most prized stuff i own is actually my father's full LP collection of the Beatles, all originally bought on the 60's. Well, to be frank, i don't own it yet, but surely he will give me them with his Will (my brother dont actually likes good music [thank God, i would kill to have those LPs])
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Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 14:52
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My "prized" albums: BOC Extraterrestrial Live Genesis Seconds Out (near-perfect condition) Jon Anderson Olias (near-perfect condition) Triumvirat Illusions Moody Blues Days Of Future Passed (near-perfect condition, seems to be a first pressing...) And from what I have been given by my dad: George Carlin Occupation: Foole ( )Pink Floyd DSOTM (with original stickers/poster inserts) Neil Young Harvest (near-perfect condition) Led Zeppelin Houses Of The Holy and III (both near-perfect condition) And to boot, Zeppelin III has (what is to me) an alternate version of "Hats Off (To Roy Harper)." I say alternate in that it is definitely a different take of that track than the take put on the CD remaster I own. ------------- 
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Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 14:55
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As far as listening preferences, my USB turntable isn't very loud w/o attached speakers (of which I lack), so I have been converting all my LPs to the computer. I find a nice compromise for sound quality is that I record in high-quality .wav files, which are themselves burned directly onto a CD. Then I re-rip the CD for my iPod at 128 kbps to save hard drive space, while of course still having the album in high-quality for when I want it.
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 17:19
Count me in to Vinylholics anonymous (or is that conspicuous?  ).
My first presses are my most valued - part of it is the thrill of finding one in a shop or boot fair, such as my DSoTM 1st press (which can fetch £900+ on eBay), which I picked up for £5 (and it plays perfectly).
However, there are a few rarities, such as my genuine copy of "Tips Zum Selbst Mord" by Necronomicon, which I bought from the band's guitarist. OK, this is from the recent 2nd press run, but there are still only 500 of these in existence, and the more I listen to it, the more amazing I find it.
1st (UK) pressings are my main interest, though, because they're closest to the original master tape (after 1,000 presses or so, stampers begin to wear, engineers tweak the mix to suit different qualities of vinyl, etc., so early presses of popular albums like DSoTM sound very different to later ones). ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: Zwerg Bart
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 18:59
I'm sorry... I didn't mean for that to be offensive.
I just feel like CD is really the format that does justice to prog metal (for me anyway). There's a crispness in production with CD that is hard to come by on vinyl (not that it's impossible). That's just how I feel, anyhow, I could be wrong. I just prefer jazz and less aggressive prog on vinyl and metal on CD. ------------- "Freud's cranium is a snail!" - Dali |
Posted By: Bitterblogger
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 19:31
Plus, it's fun on LZIII to spin the wheel!
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 20:33
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So I have a question here, somewhat off topic. I have a number of Mobile Fidelity OMR vinyl albums (Beatles White album, DSOTM, Led Zep II, complete Rolling Stones through Get Yer Ya Ya's Out). These sound great and blow away the original vinyl of the same albums (granted, I have standard US releases of the albums).
Now I also see and occasionally am tempted to buy OMR CD's. I have a great OMR CD of Ten Years After Ssssh/Cricklewood Green. But given that the overall assessment is that vinyl is preferable to CD, is there any sane reason to purchase and OMR CD vs. a standard re-mastered CD of the same album. I've seen an OMR CD of We're Only In It For the Money that tempts me mightily, but I have the vinyl and remastered CD of that album, so I haven't sprung for it yet.
(BTW for the old classic albums, particularly prog, the vinyl is almost worth it for the cover art alone.)
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Posted By: Hawkwise
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 20:34
Yeah i to have a First pressing of DSoTM , but why oh why did i stick them stickers on my Wardrobe in my Bedroom  guess didn't know better back then -------------
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 20:45
Yeah I stuck mine's stickers (not from first pressing however) on a guitar case, then later sold the case and the guitar that inhabited it. Don't feel bad; I would say that in the early-70s only a very few prescient individuals had any idea any of this stuff would eventually have value beyond the music.
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Posted By: Rubidium
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 23:16
Well keep in mind that I'm buying these at thrift stores rather than record stores. The thrift stores are usually just trying to get rid of them. And for every rock album I find I usually have to flip through 20 or so albums by Mitch Miller, Herb Alpert, and Jim Nabors. Although when I lived in Columbus there was a record store that had a pile of "free LPs". Nobody ever took any of them. They were the same type of albums that have been sitting in the thrift stores here in Florida for the past few years. |
Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: June 04 2008 at 23:57
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Total vinyl junkie. Addicted to eBay, second-hand record stores and leafing through the racks at home looking for that perfect mood satisfier. Nothing better than dragging out a whole load of albums from the library that haven't been listened to for years and cueing them up on the turntable. And the best thing is that after years of little or no black stuff being released more and more vinyl is now being released or re-released on decent weighty vinyl, produced with care and attention to detail. In short, vinyl rules! |
Posted By: Yorkie X
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 00:51
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You are all kidding your selves "Vinyl" is worthless junk not even fit for a ABBA recording .... runs, ducks rotten tomatoes and hides till the coast is clear 
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Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 01:01
The coast will never be clear. Hope you don't mind hiding a while. |
Posted By: Apsalar
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 08:10
| love 'em. For prized possessions: Les Cycles de Thanatos by vortex |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 08:16
I've got those three, too. Olias is one of the best ones of those to have in LP format with the "booklet" built in to the cover. My CD version reproduced it, but you need a magnifying glass to look at it. I also have a Living In The Past with a thick fancy cardboard cover and inner booklet. The first prog albums in my collection were Rick Wakeman's Journey To The Center Of The Earth and The Myths and Legends of King Arthur. Both with excellent "booklets". There's a few more prized ones I'll be keeping. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Hawkwise
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 09:57
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Ah Thats what i am Talking About, that Living in the Past cover is a Perfect example of why i collect Vinyl it's not Just about the actual Music, its the Cover Art the finding the collecting the Ritual of putting the record on the Turntable Cd ewwwww there ok for Car , and i need my big Album Covers to Skin up on -------------
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Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 11:24
Cool! The very first record I bought was Motorhead/Girlschool's St Valentine's Day Massacre EP. I got nearly all of Motorhead's LPs up to Iron Fist, and a good few 7"s too, from a friend who said he didn't like them any more. Fool!
My brother actually gets up halfway through his Motorhead or Ramones CDs because he's so used to turning over the LP to play side 2. ------------- "The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time." |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 15:28
Actually, ABBA sound fantastic on vinyl
Really?
You know that their first singles were released on a variety of colours (pink, orange, blue, white, beer-coloured (exceptionally rare, but they exist!)), and Bomber was released on 4 shades of blue?
...and recently they released the MotorDamned single, where the lads teamed up with The Damned to cover Ballroom Blitz - there are 2 editions, I understand...
On to the cover discussion;
My favourite album package would either be Glastonbury Fayre, with its printed plastic sleeve, huge fold-out poster cover (similar in size to Hawkwind's "Space Ritual"), and the 6 fun inserts, including the DIY pyramid, or the Small Faces' "Ogden's Nut Gone", in the opening out circular cover - pretty nifty for 1968, or then there's Dr Z's "Three Parts to my Soul", Jethro Tull's literal "Stand Up" and Blue Cheer's "Outside Inside", which are all fun covers. ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 16:24
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Don't forget the original Brain Salad Surgery Cover, it opened up in the middle to reveal the rest of the lady's face behind the skull.
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Posted By: Hawkwise
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 16:35
Indeed it did, Hawkwind were always good for Covers that open up to I Did Start a Thread top ten Prog covers but seems to be ignored http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=49177&PID=2863925#2863925 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=49177&PID=2863925#2863925 -------------
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 17:49
| Tull's Stand Up was unique, since when opened that is indeed what the band did. |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 17:58
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I am a total convert to vinyl after inheriting a Pink Triangle Anniversary turntable and 800 vinyl albums from my late partner 18 months ago. The sound quality is far above any CD system I've heard, being so realistic it's almost frighening. My most precious album? Fully Interlocking by Solution - not just great music but recorded so well - the clarity and detail is astonishing. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 18:22
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I just bought The Flaming Lips's 2nd album (Oh My Gawd...) reissued on clear vinyl.
It is totally sweet. Sounds good, looks good, and I got it for $15 whereas the CD used to cost $30^ on amazon. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 19:14
I have almost 200 LPs (well, I have more but I don't really count old parents albums that I'll probably only listen to once for laughing purposes  ) and that's pretty unusual for an 18 year old. I think the digital vs. analogue debate is about as constructive as arguing whose dad would win in a fist fight. It's all dependant on a bunch of factors and generally more even than people think. I believe it's best to utilize both formats as much as possible and draw your own conclusions, but just enjoy the music more importantly.Some random LPs I have that I paid a decent amount of money for: A.R. and the Machines - Die Gruene Reise (most I've spent on one album, about $50 after shipping from Germany, but its in NM condition) Faust - Faust (reissue, still has the clear x-ray cover and rocks) Maneige - Les Porches NM Yes - Yessongs (beautiful artwork and live music, got from parents in NM) Anthony Phillips stuff a bunch of Psych and Folk stuff etc etc, I don't feel like listing. most is VG+ or better, only about 5/200 have disturbing levels of surface noise. my collection isn't too impressive yet, but I'm working on it ------------- 
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 20:08
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CDs are convenient for every-day use and nothing beats them for listening to music in the car, but for pure quality-time listening I prefer vinyl - it's the whole ritual that means I'm going to sit down and actually listen to the music rather than sticking something on to play in background. For me tis the Prog equivalent of the Japanese Tea Ceremony.
And I don't have to squint to read the liner-notes.
And what can beat watching the Vertigo label spinning around at 33⅓ ?
Treasured possessions:
Pink Floyd - every 1970s album
 Renaissance - 1st album
Yes - Yessongs, Relayer & TFTO
Genesis - SEbtP and Lamb
Oldfield - Tubular Bells & Incantations
PFM - The World Became The World & Photos of Ghosts (English lyrics)
Le Orme - Felona & Sorona (English lyrics)
Godley & Creme - Consequences
Philip Glass - Einstein On The Beach
Kaleidoscope - A Tangerine Dream
Television - Marquee Moon
David Bowie - Stage (yellow vinyl) <- my only Bowie album that isn't on RCAs crappy dynaflex
 Tubeway Army - s/t (blue vinyl)
Not audiophile and barely playable due to excessive surface noise, but still treasured:
Curved Air - Airconditioning (1st UK picture disc - claim)
Saturnalia - Magical Love (1st UK picture disc - actual)
Latest purchases:
Portishead - Third (box-set)
Ivor Cutler - Velvet Donkey
Renaissance - Scheherazade ...and the one that got away - Faust's 1st album
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 20:14
If you're lucky we might take the tomatoes out of the cans first ------------- What? |
Posted By: Hawkwise
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 20:16
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 20:37
I'm getting sleepy, very sleepy, vinyls are good, no, vinyls are great.  Say, have you ever had one of those on the turntable under a black light? ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 20:51
All this TEASING, I guess some take their vinyl fetish to an altogether different level. What are we talking about?  Really  ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 22:04
Ha, it's that other 'certain activity' that made some of them special. So for example here in the US, an album like ITCOTKC had a certain texture or roughness to the cover, which music aside made it highly preferable to something with the smoother cover, say Led Zep IV. So Fragile was a good choice, CTTE not so good. Of course people don't need this anymore.
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Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 22:04
That goes for around $100+ usd these days so unless your loaded I suggest getting the recently remastered LP for a portion of that price and equal packaging and probably similar if not equal sound. As much as I like owning an early or first pressing, I can never justify it when I can get a later pressing for a much lower price. -------------
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Posted By: The Rock
Date Posted: June 05 2008 at 23:17
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I know that may sound redundant but for great bargains on used Lps,CDs ect try your local run of garage sales.I was able to snatch a few near-mint albums from local artists(I'm from Montreal) for mere pennies in the last few years.
Remember,those who hold these garage sales badly want to get rid of everything so your bargaining power increases drastically.Not only that,most of those sellers aren't familliar with the true value of the stuff they are selling.They think that vinyls are out dated and that nobody wants them...  ..easy preys!------------- What's gonna come out of my mouth is gonna come out of my soul."Skip Prokop" |
Posted By: Vince
Date Posted: June 06 2008 at 10:08
Thus the expression: one's junk is another's treasure! ------------- "The mind is like a parachute: it doesn't work until it's opened"... Frank Zappa. |
Posted By: Vince
Date Posted: June 06 2008 at 10:39
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I miss the time when vinyl (and cassettes, but I prefered vinyl) was the main music medium. The entire ritual surrounding it, starting from going to the music record store. Sometimes it was to get a particular album, sometimes it was just to browse though and find something you've been wanting, or just try out something new. Also going to the used record store was fun, browsing the 'new arrivals' (the only section I needed to browse, because I went there quite often, and I already went through the rest priorly), finding a few gems (I was always picky on the condition of the album though). Then coming back home, putting on the record meticulously, and sitting down to enjoy it, and enjoying the album's art. Of course, back then I had the time to do all this, so the transition to CD's and MP3's was convenient for me (the main time I enjoy music nowadays is in the bus to and from work, so MP3 players are godsent for me - my entire music collection (well not quite, but lots of it) in the palm of my hand!).
I guess I could say I used to be a vinyl junkie, but I don't think I've ever had more than 400-500 vinyls. Since then, I got rid of a lot of them
, and only kept about 150 of my favorite and most prized. As far as quality of vinyls compared to CD's, I used to think the vinyl surpassed the CD's, but I find it's not as obvious nowadays. Vinyl was better back when CD's started, and they put out CD's as straight transfers, and they DID sound worse than the vinyl. But when they started remastering albums, from the original tapes and all, then it changed big time. And new recordings, where almost everything is done digitally, well it sounds pretty good to my ears on CD's.For prized posessions, well I prize all my prog LP's, but here are a few that come to mind that stand out:
Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick (with the fold-out paper) (I also have the Living In The Past, but I bought used and the condition is not too good for my taste)
Rush - Hemispheres (on red vinyl) The Beatles - The White Album (on white vinyl, but not the rarest version) Soundgarden- Superunknown (double clear vinyl- this is the very last LP I bought as new) Triumph - Rock & Roll Machine (on silver vinyl) Supertramp - Crisis? What Crisis? (Audiophile version) Yes - Close to the Edge Anderson Bruford Wakeman & Howe - ABWH
Robert Plant - Manic Nirvana
Steely Dan - Aja
Queensrÿche - Operation Mindcrime
Pink Floyd - Animals, A Momentry Lapse of Reason
ELP - Tarkus
Kansas - Leftoverture, Point of Know Return
I had a few other valuables that I sold on e-Bay because we were in need of money
 , but fortunately they were not prog stuff. The ones I listed are not necessarily very rare LP's, but where I live they were hard to find. And all the new LP's that are release nowadays, I'd have to import myself, so they are much too expensive unfortunately (ex: I would have loved to get Ayreon's latest, or Porcupine Tree's). For about the same amount today, I can buy 3 CD's or 1 LP... Obviously I will buy 3 CD's...I don't listen to vinyl anymore though, as I don't have the necessary set up for it, and I either have them on CD or MP3 now. I'd be actually willing to sell my small collection, would I find a buyer that knows the value. I don't want to get $25 for the whole thing, if you know what I mean... ------------- "The mind is like a parachute: it doesn't work until it's opened"... Frank Zappa. |
Posted By: song_of_copper
Date Posted: June 06 2008 at 16:04
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Aww, I miss second hand record shopping. When I was a city-dweller I used to spend Saturday mornings trawling my favourite record shops and going to record fairs... a flutter of eyelash was a great haggling tool! I only have a small collection of LPs and nothing very rare or expensive. And right now I have nothing to play them on. But there is still sight, touch and smell to appreciate them with! My favourites are my Zappa/Mothers albums (nothing like putting on 'Freak Out!' and dancing around the living room...), and my Residents albums - which are all in excellent condition, making me wonder whether the original owners played 'em more than once! I guess that stuff isn't everyone's cup of tea... The only slightly unusual thing I have is 'Miniatures', in which all kinds of people contribute songs of 60 seconds or fewer. It's got all sorts of people on it from Robert Wyatt to Fred Frith to Michael Nyman to Ivor Cutler to Etron Fou Leloublan! |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 06 2008 at 20:25
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You know, what I miss more than second hand LP shopping is second hand CD shopping. It seems to have gone downhill in my area. Used to be several conveniently located places. Now there's only one reasonably close by and their selection isn't too good. May need to seek out new stores further away. The LP was a nice medium in it's time, and if they did a really good job on the package, those are the keepers, a few of which I'm glad to have. Not to mention a small collection of autographed ones. But the new devices have expanded the possibilities for enjoying music. Not to mention being able to override the music that is often pumped in to public places. Sometimes the head is no defense against this assault. And lawnmower noise, etc. |
Posted By: Rubidium
Date Posted: June 06 2008 at 23:57
There are practically no places here in the Clearwater area to buy used CDs. A few months ago I looked in the phone book for some places, but could only find one and that was half an hour away (there used to be tons). I went there and it was closed. The sign in the window said that it opened at "noonish". When I was there it was noonish thirty. I guess that's what happens when you sell music and incense in the same building. When I lived in Columbus you could walk down the street and pass four record stores (only three of which sold records). That's the advantage of living near a university... |
Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: June 07 2008 at 21:23
Yeah, I adore my copy of Olias. It really showed how high-quality and intricate something as simple as a "case" for music could be. Living In The Past also has a great cover/booklet. I've had several opportunities to buy it... but every copy I find is also like every copy of the Beatles' Let It Be in that the condition is completely awful... these albums are literally falling apart in the used record shops! I can't say I've seen those Wakeman "booklets", but I do wish he had done that for the Six Wives Of Henry VIII. A&M could have done that record up beyond the "standard" gatefold!
I would nearly kill for a NM copy of that one! Somehow the mid-90s Rhino CD reissue with the "holographic" (reflecty?) cover just doesn't do it justice. -------------
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Posted By: Kimoi
Date Posted: June 08 2008 at 03:08
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'BSS' isn't even slightly rare, so no need to kill anyone heh! A couple more centre-openers:
Hawkwind 'In Search Of Space'. Even with the 'Log Book' (or unreadable hippy drivel printed on one-ply bog-roll) this is not hard to find. Beautiful sleeve and a fantastic LP
Ash Ra Tempel '1st'. Rarer than the above but do not go around spending big peanuts on it. Sellers always use the 'everybody is after it so don't hang around' nental approach to over price. cf eBay. No more than 40 dollars for this one. I have 2 copies of it
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Posted By: Kimoi
Date Posted: June 08 2008 at 03:16
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Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: June 08 2008 at 10:34
 Think I may have gone a little far?Sure it's not rare, but I don't do a lot of online shopping, so to find one in excellent condition around here would be a miracle. And the rarity of an album doesn't mean I'll prize it any less (nor necessarily any more) -------------
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 08 2008 at 11:02
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BSS is quite rare where I live ... the only ELP album that I see frequently in second hand stores is Pictures at an Exhibition.
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Posted By: Kimoi
Date Posted: June 08 2008 at 11:11
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I used to literally fall over mint copies of BSS in London. Even moreso here |
Posted By: Statutory-Mike
Date Posted: June 08 2008 at 11:45
I've only got a couple Vinlys that I bought from a couple of stores and garage sales (When my dad was yonger he threw his away after he got them all on cd  )
I"ve got:
King Crimson - In the Court..
Yes - Yessongs
Rush - 2112
AC/DC - If you want blood, and Let there Be Rock
Black Sabbath - Paranoid
Cheap Trick - Live at Buddokan
Journey - Look into the Future
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 08 2008 at 12:16
No, it's absolutely necessary that you find someone who has this album, kill them, and eat their brains.  Oh yeah, this is important, stumble away with their copy of the album. Never mind, this is vinyl junkies, sorry, I thought it was vinyl zombies. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Hawkwise
Date Posted: June 08 2008 at 12:52
Alien Stole my Vinyl 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 08 2008 at 13:23
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Well, now that explains everything.
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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: June 10 2008 at 02:46
| I like to listen music on vinyl. Today is to easy to have something you want on CD, anybody can buy or copy a Cd, but to have something real intristing and priceless among your collection must be some vinyls. I'm not saying that on Cd is bad contrary it's sound better and it's easy to listen to, but sometimes i prefer to listen like i was in the '70's. |
Posted By: chrisk
Date Posted: June 12 2008 at 16:57
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Have never liked CD's and even less so Mp3's, although they have their uses. So it's vinyl for me every time if I can get it and as you all know the good stuff is getting harder to find.
Luckily for me I have been collecting for over 40 years - yes I'm that old! and so was able to buy what is considered the classic albums when they were issued and, more importantly, have kept and play them regularly.
I collect over a wide spectrum of music styles, but my favourites are prog and krautrock with some blues thrown in for good measure.
I noticed a debate on King Crimson recently - I have a copy of 'In the court.......' and like a few tracks, but on the whole feel it's rather pretentious and overproduced. I class Yes in the same boat and think that lesser british bands such as Caravan, Quatermass and Saturnalia (from the 70's) have a more spontaneous feel.
And then there's the Germans: If any nation can claim to produce quality music when the world was suffering 'Glamrock', it has to be them. They produced some of the finest bands of the 70's, which on the whole escaped the general public in Britain and the US ( apart from Kraftwerk). Such a wide variety, from experimental/improvisation bands to pop, they tried it all with flair and style.
The americans also produced some great bands - Kansas, Quicksilver Messenger Service, REO Speedwagen etc to name a few and most of these band greatest albums were originally released on vinyl.
Then along come CD and hey presto it's remaster time, spoiling the sound that some of these bands spent weeks perfecting- Jimmy Page has made a living doing precisely this!
So to sum up this rant. For me vinyl will always be king. If you have good equipment and have looked after your albums (which hopefully were pressed on good quality vinyl and of a good weight) ther is no finer musical experience than listening to records. Their presentation and the ritual of playing them is a pleasure to savour. LONG LIVE VINYL ------------- chrisk |
Posted By: Hawkwise
Date Posted: June 12 2008 at 20:12
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Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: June 12 2008 at 20:55
I got Gentle Giant's Octopus on the Repertoire limited edition mini-LP CD today to replace a download (sounds great by the way). I really think the mini-LP should replace the jewel case, it's a much better format for convenience and aesthetically; plus it's better for the environment since jewel cases are not biodegradable. Even digpaks would be good, I never have problems with them but CD cases crack all the time.  Haven't bought too many vinyls recently, but I did pick up Fleet Foxes debut. A bit expensive but I loved their EP so it should be worth it, good indie psych folk stuff. -------------
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 13 2008 at 05:53
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Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: June 13 2008 at 06:02
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Just bought the LP of Superwombling by The Wombles. ------------- "The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time." |
Posted By: Vince
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 14:56
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I just remembered, although I don't know if it's of much value, not that I care really because I really like the album, that I have Nathan Mahl's first album, Parrallel Eccentricities, with the original cover art, which is not the one seen on ProgArchives... ------------- "The mind is like a parachute: it doesn't work until it's opened"... Frank Zappa. |
Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 05:53
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I got rid of my vinyl collection almost 20 years ago. A couple of years later I started collecting again, then got rid of the second collection in 1996. And that was it until last year, when I started collecting again.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 06:49
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Having built up a decent sized collection over the years, I held on to everything even after I quit playing them. Throwing them in the trash just wouldn't have been right. I'm actually rather pleased at the resurgence of vinyl even though I don't share the enthusiasm that some do for actually listening to music in that format anymore. It's nice to know that I should be able to find good homes for the ones that I don't intend to keep.
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: June 19 2008 at 02:34
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I have collected vinyl albums since......too many years to mention, my first lp was "Sgt. Pepper" in June 1967, but my oldest album is Bill Haley "Rock around the Clock" and it still gets a spin now and then!
Luckily i managed to pick up many rock and prog classics when they were first issued, some even on the day of release - then when everybody was ditching their vinyl to buy CD's in the 80's i kept mine, and continued raiding bargain bins to pick up the ones i missed, altogether i guess they number around 2,000 and 95% are in near mint condition, i keep them all in polythene sleeves and polylined inner sleeves. I was considered a bit of an eccentric in the early years for cleaning each one before playing it, something nobody did.
Today i still get new releases on vinyl if they're available, after all these years there is still nothing like the buzz of exploring a new album cover and placing a shiny new slab of wax on the turntable !
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Posted By: Hawkwise
Date Posted: June 19 2008 at 12:52
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Posted By: T.Rox
Date Posted: June 21 2008 at 11:10
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As for prized vinyl, I would be thinking TAAB, DSOTM Quad issue, anything I have with a Roger Dean cover.
I made the mistake of not continuing to buy vinyl when CD's first started to appear. I am spending a lot of time (and money) now trying to get things that I should have had on LP for years.
I have just grabbed a copy of One Live Badger with the pop-up cover from eBay so I am looking forward to that, plus a few obscure Aussie albums from bands that should most likely be on PA that I have waiting for me at home. (I am currently in Singapore with work so I have to wait.) And I picked up nine LP's in a second hand store here in Singapore last weekend, including what looks like a mint copy of Santana's Moonflower, an album that was stolen from me back in the 80's with a few other albums. (You can't always trust the people you share digs with!) I have to wait until I get back to Perth to be able to play them, though.
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Posted By: T.Rox
Date Posted: June 21 2008 at 11:12
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I also made the mistake of trading in a few albums when I was younger that I didn't "like" at the time. I just hadn't got into the right head space with that music and I wish I could have all those albums back! ------------- "Without prog, life would be a mistake." ...with apologies to Friedrich Nietzsche |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 21 2008 at 11:28
Isn't it a little weird that quadraphonic went by the wayside and now today we now have surround sound? ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: June 21 2008 at 16:28
One of my friends had a quad of Overnite Sensation that I would love to hear about now. Bad thing about quad, at the time, is that it took a considerable investment. Two amps, two sets of speakers. Doomed to failure.
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: June 21 2008 at 17:52
I picked up a quad system at a thrift store a few years back and have since picked up a few quad records. The system has a nice feature that allows you to hear regular stereo records in a fake quad sound. 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 21 2008 at 18:14
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^ I'm usually listening to music on my computer, using the Logitech X-530 (5.1 system). It also expands stereo recordings to use all 6 speakers.
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Posted By: glasshouse27
Date Posted: June 21 2008 at 22:35
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Lets see:
Indiscipline/Mining Rocks -King Crimson
Senabular - King Crimson
Flute Cake - Jethro Tull
Di Tierra - Banco del Mutuo Soccorso
L'Isola Di Niente - Premiata Forneria Marconi
Photos of Ghosts - Premiata Forneria Marconi
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Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: June 25 2008 at 17:20
Heh, if I may be honest, both of the covers on rateyourmusic.com are quite ugly! Is your original much better than those? -------------
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Posted By: T.Rox
Date Posted: June 26 2008 at 09:28
If you can find a link on the web to a quality picture of the correct cover it would be great if you could post it in this thread for me to fix up the cover in PA...
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36282 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36282
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Posted By: The Rock
Date Posted: July 04 2008 at 22:59
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I don't know if this is the right place to ask such question,but;
Is there a way I could clean some of my ols LPs?I mean some of them have visible stains and scratches and we can hear loud pops and scratches while playing them,mostly during quieter passages.
Should I clean them up with a humid cloth?
Any vinyl specialists here?
Thanks. ------------- What's gonna come out of my mouth is gonna come out of my soul."Skip Prokop" |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: July 05 2008 at 06:28
I'm not a vinyl specialist, but I am a record collector. Some damage on records can be cleaned off, but some can't. If the vinyl itself is damaged (scratches etc) then you are stuck with the resultant noise, but if you are dealing with substances that have been spilled on the record, dirty fingerprints, dust etc, all superficial damage can be cleaned, except candle wax, that's a tough one. I use a cleanimg solution that I buy from Grooves in SF. You can also try a mixture of isopropyl alcohol and distilled water. Don't use soap because that will leave a residue. You should check the internet for more cleaning solution ideas and cleaning tips. After you have worked with vinyl a lot, you will develope an eye for what can be cleaned and what is permanent damage. |
Posted By: The Rock
Date Posted: July 05 2008 at 07:55
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All right.Thanks for the tips!
I will try and find some of this solution and remove those stains. ------------- What's gonna come out of my mouth is gonna come out of my soul."Skip Prokop" |
Posted By: Rubidium
Date Posted: July 05 2008 at 15:26
| Just be warned that when looking for cleaning solutions on the internet, every single person seems to swear by a different method and discount all methods used by others. I'd recommend going to a flea market or a thrift store and look for some really cheap dirty records to test these methods on. That way if some crazy guy tells you to clean your records with 15 M hydrochloric acid, you'll burn a whole through a Herb Alpert record rather than something you actually care about... |
Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: July 06 2008 at 00:10
Lord knows we need less of THOSE. |