WORST Dream Theater album?
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Topic: WORST Dream Theater album?
Posted By: frenchie
Subject: WORST Dream Theater album?
Date Posted: April 05 2005 at 18:24
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studio work only. Sorry for yet another DT poll (and even another poll) but i like polls and i am interested. ------------- The Worthless Recluse 
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Posted By: Miaugion
Date Posted: April 05 2005 at 19:05
| Scenes from a memory. An overrated, derivative pile of nonsense - lyrically and musically. |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: April 05 2005 at 19:07
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FII : it's heavy metal with very few prog moments. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Wrath_of_Ninian
Date Posted: April 05 2005 at 19:12
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And surely the worst album title in the history of rock. Ever. Who are these people???? Sorry, from what I've heard of Dream Theater (got to be up there as one of the least beguiling bandnames too), they are simply unlistenable - torturously over-produced tripe with all the atmosphere of a rusting bansaw and the emotional prowess of tractor tyre with a breeze block in it. ------------- "Now all the seasons run together, and the middle days are gone..." |
Miaugion wrote:Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: April 05 2005 at 19:32
| FII is their worst- most definately. I don't Scenes From A Memory was that bad, but it's overrated in my opinon. |
Posted By: Endless_Enigma
Date Posted: April 05 2005 at 22:00
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I voted for Change of Seasons, not because I disliked the album musically, but I think it was one of Labrie's worst sung albums. Also I'd be interested to hear poeple's reasons for disliking When Dream and Day Unite. Though it has very heavy 80's overtone, I really enjoy it. The intro to The Ones Who Helped to Set the Sun is so dark and almost gives me shivers when I listen to it. ------------- 
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Posted By: Metropolis
Date Posted: April 05 2005 at 22:05
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Falling into Infinty is their worst shortlly followed by When Dream and
Day Unite, Falling into Infiinty is extremely mediocreconsidering what
had come before and When Dream and Day Unite sounds VERY amateur, even
if you didnt know who it was most would be able to identify it as a
debut
------------- We Lost the Skyline............ 
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Posted By: dropForge
Date Posted: April 05 2005 at 22:16
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ToT. James' voice is not suitable for that kind of heaviness. Sad but true. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 06 2005 at 02:31
| TOT |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: April 06 2005 at 02:37
Images and Words... it's the only one I've heard all the way through 
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Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: April 06 2005 at 02:37
I agree with Metropolis  ------------- Billy Connolly Dream Theater Terry Gilliam Hagen Quartet Jethro Tull Mike Keneally |
Posted By: chorus of one
Date Posted: April 06 2005 at 02:44
Train Of Thought. Take crappy metal songs and drag them out to 4 times the length with awful attempts at 'virtuosity' and you get this abomination . 
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Posted By: Radioactive Toy
Date Posted: April 06 2005 at 03:53
Where is the "all albums" option? -------------  
Reed's failed joke counter: ||||| R.I.P. You could have reached infinity.... |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: April 06 2005 at 05:57
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You should know by now where I stand regarding Dream Theater. ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 06 2005 at 06:36
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When Dream and day unite..easily...all the rest are brilliant!!! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: muffley_mirkin
Date Posted: April 06 2005 at 10:10
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Train of Thought when it first came out. I really could not get into it. But i
soon reverted back to Falling Into Infinity. |
Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: April 06 2005 at 11:06
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Falling Into Infinity is actually among their best. It has a few weaker
songs ( eg. Take away my pain) but quite a few excellent songs as well,
such as Peruvian Skies, New Millennium, Lines in the Sand. WDADU is
fantastic too. It has that 80's sound and the vocalist is actually
quite horrible, far worse than LaBrie, but the songs in themselves are
great! Just think of 'Only a matter of time' , if that's not a great
song, then what is?! ToT is probably the worst. It's not bad. Endless Sacrifice, This Dying Soul, Honor Thy Father, all excellent heavy / prog metal songs. But the fact that it's more heavy than prog is what I don't like. The influences from Metallica and Iron Maiden (two bands I quite openly dislike) etc. are just too visible. We don't see the prog side of the band very much. The songs are mostly just too darn long, a heavy metal song tends to get boring if it lasts over 5 minutes.. |
Posted By: Swinton MCR
Date Posted: April 06 2005 at 11:13
This is a bit OTT..........Unless these two have no metal derivatives in their collection - if they have then I don't understand the antipathy.... ------------- Play me my song, here it comes again |
Posted By: arkitek
Date Posted: April 06 2005 at 11:18
FII imo is thier worst and images and words and scenes from a memory are their best 
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Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: April 06 2005 at 11:59
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i only have images and words, but i've heard falling into infinity and it seemed VERY disappointing... ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: April 06 2005 at 13:29
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i am very surprised about falling into infinity, i thought it was a great album, kinda dull, but still amazing. Hollow years is just brilliant, lines in the sand, just let me breathe, and that opening riff on you not me! It's a great album. WDADU, however, is a pile of sh*t, those vocals are sooooooo bad! I'm glad Labrie took over! He knows how to sing! ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: April 06 2005 at 13:57
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La brie sings like an hysteric girl and his vocals are not in tune!!! ------------- 
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Posted By: decypher
Date Posted: April 06 2005 at 17:10
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hm, either change of seasons - on some bootleg from '93 ('lost in the
sky') there's a fantastic version with the best vocals I EVER heard
from LaBrie, no matter if studio or live. when they released the song
on that studio EP I was completely disappointed what they made of it. or just falling into infinity, heard it once and forgot it. when dream and day unite... is brilliant, perfect, fantastic and was revolutionary for the metal scene in the 80's and belongs to the three - control and resistance/perfect symmetry/when dream and day unite. the sound is hm, quite controversal but in a way I love esp. Myungs sound on that record, it's fun! yours, majesty< |
Posted By: billyshears'67
Date Posted: April 06 2005 at 18:20
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I love the song "A Change of Seasons" and I believe that song alone beats out "Falling Into Infinity." I don't know why "When Dreams & Day Unite" is being so disliked, I love that album. "Falling Into Infinity" does have one of my fav DT songs on it ("Lines in the Sand"), but doesn't really offer too much good material. In fact, some of the material on the album is pretty boring. I'm so glad I got to catch them live a year ago and they performed the entirety of "A Change of Seasons", including the movie clip from Dead Poet's Society, where the quote "Carpe Diem" had inspired Portnoy to write the song. P.S. Frenche, I too like polls. Peace & take care  |
Posted By: Wrath_of_Ninian
Date Posted: April 06 2005 at 18:57
Its not antipathy - its actual dislike. But yes, I may have been a glass of red or two down the line when I drew those analogies, and perhaps they were a little inappropriate for a band that clearly has a decent following on this site. I just find them to be a bit too pretentious, or perhaps 'contrived' is a better word. Everything they do sounds so clinical and planned, and the metalised backing is just schmultz. It doesn't carry any real lyrical or musical power, because it appears that all the effort has gone into the production of a specific sound. I tend to equally abhor other bands of a similar vein, and will loudly decry Asia, Porcupine Tree, and in fact, most neo prog for the very same reasons. Its just not real music - its deliberately contrived to sound like it does, by a group of people (usually men) who have their hearts in a bygone era, and who only know the meaning of emotional expression through gated snare drums, digitally distorted guitars, and twee retro keyboard sounds. The "Jack In The Beanstalk-meets-JP Sartre-on holiday-with-Lionel Bart" lyrics dont help the cause either. Anyway, enough of this. If I dont shut up, I'll have Ivan on here in a minute telling me I cant say 'contrived' because it has numerous legal and philosophical connotations that I can be sued ( By the way, I'm not sure what you mean by metal derivatives, but I do like Iron Maiden (more prog than DT ANY day), and am totally obsessed with ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead. And PFM of course - they had a few attempts at dreadful soft pop metal in the 80s when Franz decided to give up the drum stool and sing ------------- "Now all the seasons run together, and the middle days are gone..." |
Posted By: Wizard/TRueStar
Date Posted: April 06 2005 at 19:20
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This is strange. I voted for six degrees of inner turbulaence 'cuz it suks (to save time explaining why I don't dig it). I like Falling into infinity. It has some of THEIR BEST CUTS. Dream Theater is barely prog and it makes me sick they are in the archives. Liquid Tension experiment is cool though Thank you for reading my honesly opinioned/Ignorant post. Have a great day slowly but painfully dieing to poor-man's rush/metal/yes. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 06 2005 at 19:21
| All of the DT albums suck IMO. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 06 2005 at 19:24
Down with the fascist polls!
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Posted By: Wizard/TRueStar
Date Posted: April 06 2005 at 19:25
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Yes, the singer needs to get more involved in writing music and the drummer needs to stop writing lyrics. |
Posted By: Wizard/TRueStar
Date Posted: April 06 2005 at 19:26
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He wines too much IMO. |
Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: April 07 2005 at 04:11
You all know I can't vote on this. I love all their albums. 
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 07 2005 at 05:15
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Which is the worst DT?
All their albums! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 07 2005 at 15:08
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Why you I oughtta........... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Geee
Date Posted: April 08 2005 at 11:46
| When Dream and Day Unite. All of the rest are prog metal landmarks |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: April 08 2005 at 11:48
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i need some coke ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: diddy
Date Posted: April 08 2005 at 11:55
  Phillipe is right...I don't like his voice either.
Listen to "Pull me under" from "Once in a LIVEtime" and you'll laugh your ass off...
Nevertheless I like Dream Theater, not everything and not all the time but sometimes I need some of this stuff...and apart from LaBrie they're a great live band...
Worst album for me Train of Thought it shows that Dream theater is loosing more and more Prog ingredients...and they've not many... ------------- If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear... George Orwell |
Posted By: mr_freeze338
Date Posted: April 08 2005 at 13:39
Clinical and planned... as opposed to what? They have plenty of jazz improvisation moments in SFAM and that got complaints more than anything. The Evening With JP and JR album was almost completely improvised, and it sounded great. Their tone is perfect, but that's not ALL they have. You're making them out to be a superficial mainstream band. They play fast, but that's not ALL they can do. There are slow ballady songs in every album they`ve created. I'd say the speed mostly comes with the solos, and nothing much else. Why don't you define real music for us then? These guys are exellent composers. Not showmen, composers. That's what they do. The electric guitars are just part of the mix. That doesn't mark it off from being "music".
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Posted By: mr_freeze338
Date Posted: April 08 2005 at 16:30
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Mind the double post, they're hours apart anyway. Concerning the worst album, since I didn't have time to post about it earlier, I'd say WDADU is the weakest, though in no way a terrible album, especially by 80s music standards. FII would have to be their second weakest. It has a longer list of strong tracks, including Hell's Kitchen (of course), Hollow Years, New Millenium, Anna Lee.. and the others weren't bad either. SFAM, being their most popular album I'd say, is the most critisized. Rightly so for the lyrics, but not much else. It was my first favorite album. Some very incredible songs, some unbalanced... I'd say the strong points on the album are present in specific moments in songs, as some parts seem to drag on. Concerning James Labrie... It'd be nice if he didn't sing so high all the time, since he does have a pleasant voice otherwise. I guess they didn't want it to be drowned in the music... but Russel Allen pulls it off nicely. |
Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: April 08 2005 at 16:40
I haven't heard a Dream Theater album I DID like. I won't say there isn't some talent in the band, I just don't care for it. Kinda like a really talented cheerleader with buck teeth. Ya really like to watch her, but you won't let her near your organ. |
Posted By: GFoyle
Date Posted: April 08 2005 at 16:58
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Images and Words is probably their best
Scenes from Memory comes close Falling into Infinity is not that proggy, but that doesn't IMO make it a bad album I like the heavier sound of ToT I only have heard Change of Seasons once, so I don't know about it. I haven't heard the first album at all. Six Degrees is still a bit unknown to me, it's not great but it's not horrible either. Can't decide yet. Awake is more proggy, but I still think it's quite bad. First I though it was great, but after few spins I changed my mind, only half of it was okay, the rest I didn't like. So I voted for Awake, probably against the opinion of many here. Overal I give the band 3/5 stars. They are not my favorite, but I don't hate them either. I can surely see why people either love them or hate them though. |
Posted By: hukt on fonikzz
Date Posted: April 09 2005 at 15:30
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Without doubt, FII. this is their "poppiest" album, and that is not the
dream theater sound. some dream theater work is cheesy beyond belief,
and this album is a prime example. It wasnt a good time for the band
anyhow, with all the conflicts going on with their producers....this
one is hardly prog enough with the exception of hells kitchen
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Posted By: SirPsycho388
Date Posted: April 09 2005 at 17:00
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I think Falling Into Infinity is their worst album, but its not a bad one. All of their albums are amazing, but this one is not their strongest. Songs that bring it down are "take away my pain" and "anna lee"... others like "you not me" and "hollow years" I find good but no great. All the others songs are awesome, my favorite being "hell's kitchen"/"lines in the sand". ------------- Strangers passing in the street by chance two separate glances meet and I am you and what I see is me. And do I take you by the hand and lead you through the land and help me understand the best I can |
Posted By: Hierophant
Date Posted: April 09 2005 at 18:59
| Any one who says DT isn't prog is in denial, yeah they're cheesy but they help bridge the gap between metal and prog metal. |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: April 09 2005 at 19:14
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I concur,but Falling Into Infinity is the worstest!! ------------- 
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Posted By: Calvo
Date Posted: April 12 2005 at 09:13
| Dream Theater is my favourite band but I have to say that "Falling ubto infinty" is their worst album. Derek Sherinian was a very bad choice. |
Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: April 12 2005 at 09:27
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 12 2005 at 10:24
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I love train Of Thought ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: ProgRex
Date Posted: April 12 2005 at 11:11
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You make me smile!! I wonder if you read the lyrics and tried to understand the whole story........ I think there's' an incredible cohesion between music and lyrics, and with all the prog rhythm inside, I wonder how a prog-fun can say what you are saying......... Bye.........
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Posted By: Miaugion
Date Posted: April 12 2005 at 15:20
That's easy. A Prog Fan just has to use his/her/its fingers and his/her/its keyboard to say something against this overblown, nonsensical, incoherent Images and Words-Roger Waters-Kansas-U2-Rush-Zappa-reincarnation bollox-cover album and its schmaltzy singer. One of the most overrated hoaxes in the history of prog.
"Falling into Infinity" was very disappointing but at least it had "Lines in the Sand" (wonderful). |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: August 16 2005 at 19:06
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FII, TOT, and WDADU are the only
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: August 16 2005 at 19:10
Miracle, You scare me... finding new Friends? Falling is the worst... sad but true... it ears 2 stars for me... or maybe 3... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5"> 
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: August 16 2005 at 19:13
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^just bored but the main reason is that i found a huge collection fo "welcome" banners ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: August 16 2005 at 19:23
Now THATS a way to get lotsa posts I might try that------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: August 16 2005 at 19:25
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Go for it ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 16 2005 at 19:26
| ToT is their worst album, but not by far bad at all. |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: August 16 2005 at 19:35
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Weak Songs(common opinions) TOT As I Am This Dying Soul Endless Sacrifice Total:3 FII You Not Me Hollow Years Take Away My Pain Anna Lee Total:4 FII WINS ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
(the only DT song I really dislike)Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 16 2005 at 19:46
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Weak SOngs on ToT: As I Am Endless Sacrifice Honor Thy Father In The Name of God Weak songs on FII: You Not Me Train of Thought wins. |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: August 16 2005 at 19:51
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^but hollow years sucks big time! their most commercial song EVER And whats wrong with Honor Thy Father and In The Name of God?
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 16 2005 at 19:52
Hollow Years is a great sounding song. One of my personal favorites on my third favorite Dream Theater album |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: August 16 2005 at 20:00
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^matter of taste. I just dond like the 'pop' sound of their ballads, except Silent man, closure of one of the greatest epics known to man ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 16 2005 at 20:45
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: August 16 2005 at 20:55
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: August 16 2005 at 21:03
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Their worst: OCTAVARIUM (still a good album). But since Octavarium isn't on the list, i voted SFAM (even though I love that album) since it only had 3 votes. ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: August 17 2005 at 10:56
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When Dream and Day Unite
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: August 17 2005 at 11:13
FII is the worst.. but leave Hollowe Years alone, Son! Great song, and its sound on Live at bodokan is even better! I was talking bout songs like Anna Lee or You not me... Those aren't good songs.... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: el_Sethro
Date Posted: August 17 2005 at 11:48
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Train Of Thought. It's a decent album, but I expected so much more from them.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 17 2005 at 14:05
man...it's just a DT love-fest between you two ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: August 17 2005 at 14:06
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WOOT?? You not me is like one of the best DT songs.. |
Posted By: Avenged7X
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 17:01
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cant choose theyr all good ------------- Watch the sparrow falling.... |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 20:50
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all of them
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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 12:07
You must have a lot of patience to listen to 9 albums from a band you dislike so much.
As for me - Octavarium is easily the worst. Haven't heard WDADU, but somehow I doubt it's worse than Octavarium. Since it's not here, however, I vote for SFAM. A lot of great music there, but Regression and Through Her Eyes = ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 12:42
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Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 13:30
 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 14:22
| Falling into infinity is easily the worst that i have heard. My friend gave it to me and he assured me it was awesome. However Although I really like Derek Sherinian and his work on that album(He is the best of Dream THeatres kayboardists IMO) And the more metal type stuff is good the ballads are atrocious and LaBries voice begins its descent into suckitude on this album ruining it. |
Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: September 13 2005 at 01:09
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Train of Thought ... I've only heard half the DT albums, but I really can't imagine anything worse ... ------------- "Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.” "No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present." |
Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: September 13 2005 at 01:11
| I actually like all them. Yes i am a fanboy. I even have a Petrucci guitar. olp version dont have the money for the official |