Most Technically Brilliant Prog Band
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Topic: Most Technically Brilliant Prog Band
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Subject: Most Technically Brilliant Prog Band
Date Posted: April 06 2004 at 12:35
I chose these bands because they are contained within the archives so as to avoid the what is/what is not prog debate. I picked The Mahavishnu Orchestra myself. Those first three albums still send chills up my spine. I think every band/artist I have mentioned is way up there in the stratosphere in terms of above average musicianship. Please offer comments about specific albums or bands you might think should have been included.
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Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: April 06 2004 at 13:01
I think that it is a really selective poll...but for me it's sure that the Mahavishnu orchestra are technically far ahead of the others. This quintet is just perfect
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Posted By: progchain
Date Posted: April 06 2004 at 16:49
Maybe you don't know Chick Corea's Return to Forever?
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: April 06 2004 at 16:52
KISS prog ?
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Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: April 06 2004 at 17:03
lucas wrote:
KISS prog ? |
I think Kiss was added for comic relief....
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Posted By: dt_1928
Date Posted: April 06 2004 at 17:05
i voted dreamtheater
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Posted By: Scafell
Date Posted: April 06 2004 at 17:06
Kiss - Rush - Prog !!!!
I think not.
Technically gifted (of today's bands) - Flower Kings and Spocks Beard.
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: April 06 2004 at 17:26
Where are Wham! and Menudo? Milli Vanilli? Tony Difranco and the Difranco Family?
(Anyway, I'm not a musician, so what the heck do I know about musicianship? It's all impossibly difficult to me, even Kiss! I can sing though, but not for an audience.)
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: April 06 2004 at 17:28
progchain wrote:
Maybe you don't know Chick Corea's Return to Forever? | Of course, but I wouldn't consider them to be a prog band. i don't even considerThe Mahavishnu Orchestra to be a prog band but they appeal to so many prog fans. They would often appear on the same bill with bands like King Crimson and Gentle Giant.
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Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: April 06 2004 at 17:29
Peter Rideout wrote:
Where are Wham! and Menudo? Milli Vanilli? Tony Difranco and the Difranco Family?
(Anyway, I'm not a musician, so what the heck do I know about musicianship? It's all impossibly difficult to me, even Kiss! I can sing though, but not for an audience.)
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You only need ears. You've done a zillion reviews. I your opinion, which of these bands play music with the highest level of technicality?
I'm not sure of the importance, but it's fun to argue.
I always thought Keith Partridge was an awesome six-string wonderkind.
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Posted By: Stormcrow
Date Posted: April 06 2004 at 17:29
lucas wrote:
KISS prog ? |
The truly frightening thing is that someone has actually voted for them!
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Posted By: Glass-Prison
Date Posted: April 06 2004 at 17:37
Posted By: Stormcrow
Date Posted: April 06 2004 at 17:40
Before the KISS bashing begins full force, I will say that I have always liked the songs "Cold Gin" and "Black Diamond"......
But beyond that -
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: April 06 2004 at 17:44
I think I mentoned this before but back in the 1970's I had some friends who were members of The Kiss Army fan club and they actually thought bands like Yes, King Crimson and Gentle Giant sucked. They thought that Peter Criss was a drum god! No word of a lie, these guys would laugh at me if I brought over a Mahavishnu Orchestra record!
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: April 06 2004 at 17:52
danbo wrote:
Peter Rideout wrote:
Where are Wham! and Menudo? Milli Vanilli? Tony Difranco and the Difranco Family?
(Anyway, I'm not a musician, so what the heck do I know about musicianship? It's all impossibly difficult to me, even Kiss! I can sing though, but not for an audience.)
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You only need ears. You've done a zillion reviews. I your opinion, which of these bands play music with the highest level of technicality?
I'm not sure of the importance, but it's fun to argue.
I always thought Keith Partridge was an awesome six-string wonderkind.
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Thanks, Danbo! I was going to vote Bruford, but then I saw Yes there, and as they had Bill in the fold for so long (plus Howe, Squire & Wakeman), I voted for them. Lots of great bands there, though.
IMHO, once one reaches a certain rarefied level of musicanship, I believe that it's hair-splitting to argue about who is "best." It then comes down to a matter of personal style & taste. Best does not mean "fastest," as many younger music fans tend to think. You must also have soul and originality, plus songwriting ability.
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Posted By: Glass-Prison
Date Posted: April 06 2004 at 18:01
Stormcrow wrote:
Before the KISS bashing begins full force, I will say that I have always liked the songs "Cold Gin" and "Black Diamond"......
But beyond that -
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I have nothing against Kiss, I even think they are a decent rock band. However, once you compare them to King Crimson...
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Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: April 06 2004 at 18:07
Peter Rideout wrote:
danbo wrote:
Peter Rideout wrote:
Where are Wham! and Menudo? Milli Vanilli? Tony Difranco and the Difranco Family?
(Anyway, I'm not a musician, so what the heck do I know about musicianship? It's all impossibly difficult to me, even Kiss! I can sing though, but not for an audience.)
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You only need ears. You've done a zillion reviews. I your opinion, which of these bands play music with the highest level of technicality?
I'm not sure of the importance, but it's fun to argue.
I always thought Keith Partridge was an awesome six-string wonderkind.
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Thanks, Danbo! I was going to vote Bruford, but then I saw Yes there, and as they had Bill in the fold for so long (plus Howe, Squire & Wakeman), I voted for them. Lots of great bands there, though.
IMHO, once one reaches a certain rarefied level of musicanship, I believe that it's hair-splitting to argue about who is "best." It then comes down to a matter of personal style & taste. Best does not mean "fastest," as many younger music fans tend to think. You must also have soul and originality, plus songwriting ability.
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Bravo, nice pick and "well said" in regards to "fastest" is not bestest. err....
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Posted By: Stormcrow
Date Posted: April 06 2004 at 18:12
Glass-Prison wrote:
I have nothing against Kiss, I even think they are a decent rock band. However, once you compare them to King Crimson...
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Well, NO. KISS is NOT the worst band ever to get a recording contract. By any means. If I had to for instance, choose between listening to KISS or something truly heinous like Milli Willy Silly Vanilli or Bo Donaldson & the Heywoods...
Well I'd just paint my face black and white, put on high healed boots and take up fire breathing.
Would that be the time to borrow Pavoratti's black leather dominatrix outfit?
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: April 06 2004 at 18:18
danbo wrote:
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I always thought Keith Partridge was an awesome six-string wonderkind.
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Agreed, obviously. Hackett, Howe Holdsworth and Hillage (yes, the four "H"-men of the Apocalypso, again!) all owe an obvious debt of inspiration to him!
And Danny was a MONSTER bassist, as well! He had chops on his chops ! (Gravy, too...)
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Posted By: Glass-Prison
Date Posted: April 06 2004 at 18:19
When you put it that way, I can't help but agree.
Just make sure you don't accidently set your hair on fire, like ol' Gene did...
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Posted By: arqwave
Date Posted: April 06 2004 at 18:45
humm... going back to the beggining...
i voted for DT, just because in late dates they have been creating an "unplayable" series of songs, that goes to darn fast and to darn complicated, playing almost every known note (techniclly)... but, mahavishnu orchestra, return to forver... WOW, and please no one has ever mention Terry Bozzio and the lonely bears... these guys really makes you feel like a monkey with a stick... but i think you are choosing "recording artists" and well, DT is a good option... whatever
peace
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Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: April 06 2004 at 18:50
Peter Rideout wrote:
danbo wrote:
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I always thought Keith Partridge was an awesome six-string wonderkind.
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Agreed, obviously. Hackett, Howe Holdsworth and Hillage (yes, the four "H"-men of the Apocalypso, again!) all owe an obvious debt of inspiration to him!
And Danny was a MONSTER bassist, as well! He had chops on his chops ! (Gravy, too...)
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Yeah, Danny was amazing. He layed down those funky bass grooves without ever moving a finger. Now that's TALENT. How about Chris Partridge. He blows Drummer Mike Portnoy outta the water.
Check this out: Keith Partridge Signature Strat.
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Posted By: Gaston
Date Posted: April 06 2004 at 20:58
Why is Mahavishnu in that list? I would've voted for them as most technical, but they're considered really to be Jazz fusion. Then I voted for Rush, obviously.
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Posted By: Glass-Prison
Date Posted: April 06 2004 at 22:23
hmm.. Dream Theater and Rush seem to be in a race for first... this should be interesting.
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Posted By: dude
Date Posted: April 07 2004 at 00:19
while it would be fair to say that,for example,Rush were technically more proficient than the Sex Pistols,within prog itself it would be difficult to say who was the most "Technically Brilliant".Many bands use odd time signitures unusual rythm changes,interesting syncopation etc..so as someone who has had musical training myself,i really could not answer this question except to say that most of the progrock bands i know "have thier moments"
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Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: April 07 2004 at 06:43
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 07 2004 at 17:56
Of old bands Emerson,Lake and Palmer 'walk it' easily.How they are excluded from this poll is astounding to me! (get 'Pictures At An Exhibition' for reference)
New bands -Par Lindh Project are awesome (also conspicious by their absence in the poll)
And no Flower Kings/Spock's Beard/Transatlantic either???
(I wish people wouldn't start a poll when they havn't a clue about the subject matter.There have been a few too many of these on the forum already)
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: April 07 2004 at 18:17
Whoa the horses here! First of all I honestly overlooked ELP they are one of my all time faves. I'm also familiar with these other bands you have mentioned although Spock's Beard really doesn't turn my crank. As I mentioned at the top I invited people to mention any other bands/albums that they felt like. But as it has been mentioned I think that the omission of Danny Partridge was my biggest oversight when creating this poll.
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Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: April 07 2004 at 18:31
Vibrationbaby wrote:
Whoa the horses here! First of all I honestly overlooked ELP they are one of my all time faves. I'm also familiar with these other bands you have mentioned although Spock's Beard really doesn't turn my crank. As I mentioned at the top I invited people to mention any other bands/albums that they felt like. But as it has been mentioned I think that the omission of Danny Partridge was my biggest oversight when creating this poll. |
Thunder fingers, Baby!!!!
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Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: April 07 2004 at 18:35
BTW, I just voted for Rush. Dream Theater is very Technical, but not "BRILLIANT." Besides, I was holding out for the Danny Partridge acknowledgment. Right ON, Peter!!!
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Posted By: dude
Date Posted: April 07 2004 at 21:04
DANBO: YOU STOLE MY THUNDER!! i thought KEITH PARTRIDGE RODE IN A BIG BUS AND SANG WITH HIS MUM!!!
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Posted By: Glass-Prison
Date Posted: April 07 2004 at 21:49
No, I'm pretty sure that was stevie wonder
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Posted By: corbet
Date Posted: April 07 2004 at 22:48
Uh, I must really be missing something for Rush to be leading these polls. I have two of their albums, "2112" and "Moving Pictures" but these are obviously not the same ones the rest of you guys are listening to!
Please, someone enlighten me as to which of their albums I should go buy in order to "see the light" as to their unsurpassed technical brilliance. Funnier things have happened in my life, so I'm open to believing...
Corbet
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: April 08 2004 at 01:31
Ooh Corbie! Your cynicism is showing -- and I LIKE IT!
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Posted By: corbet
Date Posted: April 08 2004 at 08:54
Posted By: dude
Date Posted: April 08 2004 at 10:28
GLASS:Actually Stevie Wonder would sing with Anyones mum!!!...after all how would he tell the difference!!(i can hear the pc crowd bristle with indignation!!!)
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Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: April 08 2004 at 11:32
Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: April 08 2004 at 12:47
What!!! Rush & Dream theater lead the poll... ahead of Mahavishnu orchestra.
Are you sure you are talking about the most tehcnically brilliant prog band???
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 08 2004 at 16:18
Vibrationbaby wrote:
Whoa the horses here! First of all I honestly overlooked ELP they are one of my all time faves. I'm also familiar with these other bands you have mentioned although Spock's Beard really doesn't turn my crank. As I mentioned at the top I invited people to mention any other bands/albums that they felt like. But as it has been mentioned I think that the omission of Danny Partridge was my biggest oversight when creating this poll. |
OK, fair enough!
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: April 08 2004 at 16:26
Stormcrow wrote:
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Nice smiley, where did you find it
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 08 2004 at 16:32
lucas wrote:
Stormcrow wrote:
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Nice smiley, where did you find it
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Click on 'more' under the smileys.
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Posted By: elfangio
Date Posted: April 08 2004 at 16:34
danbo wrote:
BTW, I just voted for Rush. Dream Theater is very Technical, but not "BRILLIANT." Besides, I was holding out for the Danny Partridge acknowledgment. Right ON, Peter!!! | I don't consider Rush's music to be technically challenging, but many DT songs are really hard to play...(Metropolis Pt. 1, Lie, Under a Glass Moon, The Glass Prison, Stream of Consciousness, Beyond This Life, The Dance of Eternity, .......not mentionning their work in LTE).
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: April 11 2004 at 10:00
elfangio wrote:
I don't consider Rush's music to be technically challenging, but many DT songs are really hard to play...(Metropolis Pt. 1, Lie, Under a Glass Moon, The Glass Prison, Stream of Consciousness, Beyond This Life, The Dance of Eternity, .......not mentionning their work in LTE). |
Amen
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Posted By: Glass-Prison
Date Posted: April 11 2004 at 11:52
I'm surprised that Gentle Giant didn't get more votes
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Posted By: Hammar
Date Posted: April 12 2004 at 12:36
Glass-Prison wrote:
I'm surprised that Gentle Giant didn't get more votes |
They got my vote now!! Difficult to compare these bands!! Without GG I would have voted DT. Never seen a more technically band live...
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Posted By: Stormcrow
Date Posted: April 12 2004 at 12:40
lucas wrote:
Stormcrow wrote:
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Nice smiley, where did you find it
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I believe it came with the original smilie proxy program that I have.... but if not, I know it's also available on many smilie archive web pages.
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Posted By: maani
Date Posted: April 16 2004 at 01:01
Like Corbet and Glass-Prison, I find it extremely hard to believe that Rush and Dream Theater are considered more "technically brilliant" than either Gentle Giant or Mahavishnu Orchestra.
From a strictly technical proficiency perspective - speaking as a musician who has studied theory, composition, piano, drums, and voice for over 30 years - the individual members of MHO are so far beyond anyone else on the list that it's almost silly to be discussing this. Neal Peart more technically proficient than Billy Cobham or Narada Michael Walden? Please. Peart's great for what he does. But he doesn't hold a candle to Cobham or Walden from a strictly technical perspective. Nor, as good as they may be, do the other members of Rush measure up to their counterparts in MHO. (I'm not even going to bother with comparisons to the members of DT: there are none.)
Second in my book would have to be Gentle Giant. Not only were they beyond technically brilliant on the "standard" instruments they played (guitar, bass, drums, keyboard), but each of them was equally proficient on instruments as varied as violin, cello, vibraphone and glockenspiel. Yes, Peart is probably a better drummer than Weathers. But can he also play vibraphone equally well? As for the other members of Rush (and all of DT), none of themn comes close to the members of GG.
Third in my book might be the missing ELP. Certainly there has never been a pianist/keyboardist as technically proficient as Emerson (even Wakeman, who I love equally, is not quite as good). And although there are better bassists and guitarists than Greg Lake, are there many who can play both equally well? As for Palmer, he's at least equally as good as Peart (in perhaps a slightly different way). Again, comparisons with members of DT are silly.
Technical proficiency on an instrument is, despite discussion on various threads to the contrary, a largely "measurable" quantity: i.e., unlike personal "taste," it is not subjective (or, at least, not entirely so).
That's my two cents...
Peace.
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 16 2004 at 07:23
And what about HENRY COW (Mahavisnu is more jazz-rock oriented than prog even if it's highly progressive also)
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Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: April 16 2004 at 11:15
I, and I'm sure there are others among us, who felt this thread was rather pointless, so it became a great joke. That's why I started the "Best Rush Poll." There are musicians, like those in MHO and GG, who transcend their instruments, playing something truly unique rather than copying the masters. This thread was entertaining, not a serious look at "Technical Brilliance."
I thought it was a set up for Dream Theater to win, actually. Doh !!!
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Posted By: moonchild
Date Posted: May 16 2004 at 19:43
Jethro Tull primarily for Thick as a Brick and Passion Play.
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Posted By: CrimsonKing
Date Posted: May 18 2004 at 12:35
KING CRIMSON
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Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: May 18 2004 at 12:51
maani wrote:
Like Corbet and Glass-Prison, I find it extremely hard to believe that Rush and Dream Theater are considered more "technically brilliant" than either Gentle Giant or Mahavishnu Orchestra.
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I totally agree with you guy...
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: May 18 2004 at 13:48
lucas wrote:
KISS prog ? |
Be glad the poll compiler is too young to remember Rare Earth, Grand Railroad Funk and Haphash and the Coat of Many Colours...................................
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Posted By: bityear
Date Posted: May 18 2004 at 18:50
maani wrote:
Like Corbet and Glass-Prison, I find it extremely hard to believe that Rush and Dream Theater are considered more "technically brilliant" than either Gentle Giant or Mahavishnu Orchestra.
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actually, I don't think it's silly to compare DT and MHO, because, both bands feature the best musicians in their genre. If something, it's silly that MHO was at all in the list, since the poll was about prog bands. If jazz-rock/fusion bands were to be included, I guess that both Tribal Tech and Uncle Moe's Space Ranch would be up there with MHO, and that excluding solo jazz artists like Holdsworth..personally, I'd probably even prefer both those two bands over MHO...they're newer, and all features the very cream of the cream regarding the musicians today, and that says a lot. MHO featured the very best musicians back then, but I daresay that the musicians today HAVE gotten quite a bit further, regarding developing their skills. Therefore, I'd hold those mentioned bands, as well as DT, over MHO, speaking solely about the band members' technique. DT are these days mostly about Petrucci, Myung and Rudess, all three still leading the progressive genre. Guitarists like George Bellas are twice as quick (or something like that) as Petrucci is, though. As for Myung, well, I wouldn't pick him as my favourite bass player since I think that he's got a rather boring playing style..he's still among the very most technical players, though! Rudess hasn't, as far as I know, been beaten at the keys...if something drags DT down, it's LaBrie who lost his voice somewhere around '94, and Portnoy, who's been beaten by fellows like Virgil Donati and Bobby Jarzombek (which he even admitted himself, well done, Mike!! ).
I'd also say that DT are miles ahead of GG - if you asked GG to play, say, "The Dance of Eternity", I don't believe they'd make it, while DT could tackle any GG song if they wanted to. I do believe Portnoy is a good marimba player as well.
So, being as objective as possible (while I'd MUCH prefer to listen to GG or MHO over DT) I must say that I disagree with you, Maani...that said, maybe Petrucci doesn't have that jazz touch McLaughlin has, but then again, McLaughlin hasn't got the progshredder abilities which Petrucci has. Still, the award for most technical band should go to either Spiral Architect, Spastic Ink or Planet X. Those bands creates better music than DT ever did, too.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 18 2004 at 21:54
It depends on how you understand this term:
If you believe a technicall musician is the one that plays his instrument with better skills well there is Rick Wakeman.
If you understand technicall as complex, you have to go with King Crimson or Henty Cow, which to be honest I can't understand in 100%.
Both concepts are right, specially when talking about music or any art where absolutes don't exist, but my concept of technically brilliant is different:
I believe a band is technically brilliant when each member does his/her job avoiding personal ambitions, when (for example) the guitar player and keyboardist (both very talented) blend the sound of their instruments to a point where you don't know certainly which is which, only to create the perfect atmosphere.
A band where the bassist is not noticed but is always precise and accurate plus a fantastic drummer doesn't worry for impressive combinations and the vocalist...well he's the frontman and has to make the show, but carefully designs complex lyrics that not only fit in the music but tell an interesting story, and also knows his limitations so he uses a semi yodelling to cover his weakness with the high notes.
So my vote goes for Gabriel's Genesis.
Iván
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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: May 22 2004 at 13:23
Vibrationbaby wrote:
progchain wrote:
Maybe you don't know Chick Corea's Return to Forever? | Of course, but I wouldn't consider them to be a prog band. i don't even considerThe Mahavishnu Orchestra to be a prog band but they appeal to so many prog fans. They would often appear on the same bill with bands like King Crimson and Gentle Giant. |
They are progreesive and so is Return to Forever. They brought many people to listen to Jazz the same way prog bands did for classical. And I saw Mahavishnu with Jean luc Ponty backing up Juff Beck on his Blow by Blow tour in LA. Quite a treat to see Jon M. and Mr beck jam at the encore on what else, a blues number.
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: September 02 2005 at 21:47
cant believe that Rush is for dome so technically brilliant...now, you do have Greedy Lee, excellent!! and Neil Peart?? that guy is not human! but Alex Lifeson isnt that much big of a deal...Dream Theater however is technically flawless!
still my vote goes for the Crimson Kings!!!
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Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: September 02 2005 at 23:36
Mahavishnu is one of my favourite bands, and yes they are technical fusion prog. But their technicality isnt where their talent it, its their playing and musicain ship. They arent as tight and clean as Dream theater, and their songs are based on emotion and feeling, not technicality. So i voted Dream Theater
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 03 2005 at 08:30
why Kiss is on the list they are no progressive and no technical at all
i voted for Rush, three virtuosos. do i need to say more?
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Posted By: porter
Date Posted: September 03 2005 at 09:43
I voted for KC, I really think they can handle things that few other bands can, especially when talking about odd time signatures and guitar patterns. I'm sure that man of you haven't listened much to The construKction of light, well I have and I can assure you hat there are a couple of IMPOSSIBLE SONGS on that one (FraKctured and LTIA pt IV are the most noticeable ones). Usually Fripp plays astonishing stuff in every single KC album. He is regarded as a god (I mean someone whose technical skills are almost unreachable) by people like Steve Vai...enough said.
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: September 03 2005 at 11:14
a band that should definitely be in the poll is Gong. they had the in
my opinion best musicians in prog on 2 positions (the late Pierre
Moerlen on drums and Didier Malherbe on flutes and saxes), and bass
player Mike Howlett and guitarist Steve Hillage were by no means
slouches. the Howlett/Moerlen rhythm section is arguably one of the
best rhythm sections in prog ever. anyone who doesn't know them should
listen to the only mp3 of Gong in the archives, in which the rhythm
section is in absolute top form (and Malherbe and Hillage too). one of
the best tracks of Gong ever
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: September 03 2005 at 12:10
Who else but the Berklee brats?
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Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: September 03 2005 at 12:15
Dream Theater
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Posted By: Cygnus
Date Posted: September 03 2005 at 14:19
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: September 03 2005 at 14:37
Posted By: Borealis
Date Posted: September 03 2005 at 16:43
Mahavishnu Orchestra songs are the tonghest to play... seriously, these guys are unbeatable on the technic, but most of what they do is improvised, so no one know what Fripp could do in a fusion band... I can't really tell which one I am for, but it's most likely MO.
I'm surprised Focus got no vote. What they do is brillant...
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Posted By: marktheshark
Date Posted: September 03 2005 at 17:32
KISS!? What about the Sex Pistols?
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 03 2005 at 17:46
When did Rick Wakweman and Dave Greenslade, suddenly become bands?
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Posted By: Cygnus
Date Posted: September 04 2005 at 09:04
Or should I say The Ramons?
Anyway I belive that an acomplished musician with proper study can play almost any part.So for me is a mater of compositions and nothing more.For example Potnoy has more complex parts than Peart but thats becouse that's the kind of drums that the music of Theater needs. I think Pearts solos are technicaly better.That's just an example. I only want to say that what a musician plays is limited by the sound of his band. I f Cobham was on Deep Purple he wouldn't play like this and that wouldn't mean he wouldn't have the ability to do it.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 04 2005 at 12:34
Rush, Yes and KC, though of course the Mahavishnu Orchestra, being mostly a jazz-fusion group, would be far ahead of everybody as regards technical brilliance.
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Posted By: Dream Theater
Date Posted: September 04 2005 at 13:49
Dream Theater!
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Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: September 08 2005 at 06:43
Technically brilliant? Good as they are surely you can't really pick Dream Theater over Mahavishnu Orchestra....
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 08 2005 at 06:47
richardh wrote:
Of old bands Emerson,Lake and Palmer 'walk it' easily.How they are excluded from this poll is astounding to me! (get 'Pictures At An Exhibition' for reference)
New bands -Par Lindh Project are awesome (also conspicious by their absence in the poll)
And no Flower Kings/Spock's Beard/Transatlantic either???
(I wish people wouldn't start a poll when they havn't a clue about the subject matter.There have been a few too many of these on the forum already)
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Posted By: magog
Date Posted: September 08 2005 at 06:56
KIng Crimson? Which one? They've never done more than three albums with the same band...
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: September 08 2005 at 07:34
Gentle Giant
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Posted By: M. B. Zapelini
Date Posted: September 08 2005 at 07:46
Colosseum should be at that list - the Hiseman, Heckstall-Smith, Greenslade, Clempson, Clarke, Farlowe was absolutely fantastic.
About King Crimson: only great musicians were members of Crimson (with the exception of Gordon Haskell, which was only a decent bass player, and an awful singer).
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Posted By: fender101
Date Posted: September 08 2005 at 23:47
Well you missed ELP!!!!! I cant think of a more technically brilliant group. Keith Emseson is brillent enough compared to all other bands really. Of course I havent heard The Mahavishnu Orchestra so im probably wrong.
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Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 00:19
Of those, King Crimson for me, but there are better and more talented
(I haven't heard enough Mahavishnu to say that they are the most
"brilliant").
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 00:23
I can't believe someone voted for Kiss. My vote was for Rush...although, I would have to say that Gentle Giant came a very close second. I also can't believe that DT is at the top. I like DT and think they are fairly proficient technically, but nowhere near the masters when it comes to chops (with the possible exception of Portnoy).
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 13:58
Stormcrow wrote:
lucas wrote:
Stormcrow wrote:
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Nice smiley, where did you find it
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I believe it came with the original smilie proxy program that I have.... but if not, I know it's also available on many smilie archive web pages.
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that sh*t was funny it got me dying of laghter!!!
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Posted By: Englar
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 14:46
Rush all the way...
Seeing KISS on the list was hilarious.
And I consider Mahavishnu Orchestra a jazz fusion band, not prog really.
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Posted By: italprogfan
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 02:01
" Who is the most technically accomplished from the following"
of what's listed, mo dusts everyone else there....
rush? dream theater?
c'mon folks.... match 'em up, one for one...
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 03:35
tangerine62 wrote:
When did Rick Wakweman and Dave Greenslade, suddenly become bands? |
there was a band called Greenslade. Dave Greenslade played in it, but the two should not be confused with each other
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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 16:50
Vibrationbaby wrote:
I think I mentoned this before but back in the 1970's I had some friends who were members of The Kiss Army fan club and they actually thought bands like Yes, King Crimson and Gentle Giant sucked. They thought that Peter Criss was a drum god! No word of a lie, these guys would laugh at me if I brought over a Mahavishnu Orchestra record! |
Let me guess... they would accuse Cobham of being all over the place
On topic: Mahavishnu, followed by King Crimson and Dream Theater.
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Posted By: krauthead
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 18:13
The Mahavishnu Orchestra
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Posted By: flying teapot
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 13:09
My vote goes to Gentle Giant, there is no other band that has the skill to create such a mish mash of sounds, from instruments and vocals, wehere all members are multi instrumentalist and sing in a round like they do.
And you know what they were even able to do this stuff live.....WOW!!!!!
I would say King Crismson is next.
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Posted By: Badabec
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 10:14
flying teapot wrote:
My vote goes to Gentle Giant, there is no other band that has the
skill to create such a mish mash of sounds, from instruments and
vocals, wehere all members are multi instrumentalist and sing in a
round like they do.
And you know what they were even able to do this stuff live.....WOW!!!!!
I would say King Crismson is next.
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I agree with you 100%!
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Posted By: raindance
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 10:22
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 11:03
From the list MAHAVISHNU ORCHESTRA! But I miss classic Genesis line-up...
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Posted By: mortem
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 11:18
I don't see Spastic Ink in that list
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 11:23
I'm sure you'll really have to guess how I voted.
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Posted By: TheLamb
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 12:14
I'd say Dream Theater...
1. Mike Portnoy is definitely a technical master! there are many talented drummers out there but in terms of technique and speed I cant think of many that are better than him.
2. Of course John Myung is a great bassist, LaBrie an amazing singer, and Rudess a keyboard WIZARD, but I've just never heard anyone playing in such technical perfection like John Petrucci... Thats why I chose Dream over the rest... I'm not a huge fan of great big speedy guitar solos and riffs, I think "feel" and soul are way more important than speed, but I have NEVER heard anyone play such complex paterns and riffs THAT FAST...
Maybe I just didnt hear the right bands yet, but Dream are definitely the best when it comes to technique...
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Posted By: Space Dimentia
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 12:43
Dream Theater then Rick Wakeman then King Crimson then Rush.
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 12:57
Gentle Giant, from that list, above and beyond.
But the Enid are probably even more technically brilliant.
Shub Niggurath have a lot going for them too.
Dream Theater are only technically brilliant when it comes to playing techniques - which is very, very different to overall musical and compositional technique.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 21 2005 at 03:48
Give me DT... you could probably extend that to LTE if you wanted to.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 21 2005 at 04:13
Yes with Bruford in the fold was really the tops , but once Alan White got in, they were not so mighty (although I appreciate his work)
Was a though decision on this list between Yes and Mahavishnu.
But on the Archives I would say Return To Forver
Corea, Di Meola and Clarke! Toooooo much for me!
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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: November 21 2005 at 05:05
THE MARS VOLTA COULD TAKE ON MAHAVISHU ANYTIME
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 21 2005 at 05:12
RUSH
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Posted By: Ironing Mike
Date Posted: November 21 2005 at 05:51
I've been mad about Mahavishnu for over 30 years, but if you've seen DT
Live at Budokan DVD you know how awesomely talented these guys are.
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Posted By: thrashaddiction
Date Posted: November 21 2005 at 06:29
at quick glance i didnt see any SPASTIC INK mentions....lets get real...if you havent listened to this music yet then you dont know what technical is....i know it sounds like a drum machine in parts but its real drumming....WATCHTOWER fans should know of this...anyway i vot king crimson...discipline rules...
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