Avantasia
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Category: Progressive Music Lounges
Forum Name: Suggest New Bands and Artists
Forum Description: Suggest, create polls, and classify new bands you would like included on Prog Archives
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Topic: Avantasia
Posted By: Sophocles
Subject: Avantasia
Date Posted: May 09 2008 at 09:55
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Don't you think that it's time to put Avantasia in PA?
Latest album surely progs....
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Posted By: Sinner
Date Posted: June 21 2008 at 00:48
| Absolutely! Tobias Sammett is a prog/metal genius. |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: June 21 2008 at 03:50
Sometimes one can judge a book by its cover: And pleeease, no more suggestions looking like this. Just thinking about what this sounds like makes me ill. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 21 2008 at 19:42
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Judging an album just by its cover doesn't seem that advanced a position to me... Many prog classics wouldn't be here....
But I agree, AVANTASIA is not prog. Not because their covers, but because of their music. ------------- 
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: June 22 2008 at 05:29
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See, sometimes I don't need no advanced position to tell that this ain't prog. I judge Barbara Cartland books by the covers too. Shame on me! I just knew there was no way in hell progressive sound could come out of that D&D boardgame lookalike. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 22 2008 at 05:35
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^ there were quite a few classic Prog bands who picked up fantasy related topics ... Lord of the Rings/Tolkien is only one obvious example.
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: June 22 2008 at 05:35
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That cover is progressive, in a sense - it goes places no other cover has gone before (not that any other cover would want to...) |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: June 22 2008 at 05:37
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I know Mike. that's why I wrote sometimes. I'm very good at spotting these subtle nuances.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 22 2008 at 05:40
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^ Nevertheless emphasising that word implied that for you that is the case here ... that the cover rules out any chances of that album being progressive. BTW: I think that it's quite cheesy, but cheese and prog have a history of going well together ...  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: June 22 2008 at 05:57
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Well, I leave it up to all of you to stay "openminded" about operametalsuggestions looking like this. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 22 2008 at 06:02
^ I'm actually against their inclusion, in case you were wondering (as is shown in the prog metal chart). 
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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: June 22 2008 at 07:22
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Moving this thread where it belongs: Suggest New Bands/Artists. And while I'm at it: it would be interesting to see bands suggested in the forum judged by their music, not by whether or not one likes the album cover. I have no problem with the cover being discussed, but it seems these things are only brought up here in a negative sense, and we have enough of that in these forums already.  ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: June 22 2008 at 07:48
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Its already been done? By who? I thought this was the first time someone dissmissed a suggested band for the look of their albumcovers?
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 22 2008 at 08:31
 @admins: Couldn't you get Max to add a nice facepalm emoticon to the current ones?  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: June 22 2008 at 08:41
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We can always ask for that, Mike... @Rocktopus: don't push it.... ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: August 13 2008 at 15:21
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Avantasia is currently approved for prog-related.
If there's anyone with a bio, band picture, website, etc, feel free to send me and I'll add them. Albums could be added later one by one. ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 13 2008 at 15:25
^ Is there any explanation why this band is cleared for addition and other, more deserving metal bands for prog related are not? So far Iron Maiden are the only prog-related metal band in the archives ... now it's Iron Maiden and Avantasia. Am I the only one who can't see any logic behind it? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: August 13 2008 at 15:32
I cannot remember any rule stating that Iron Maiden should be the only prog-related metal band, Mike.
Actually, considering the number of new metal bands (and others not-so-new) it's almost sure that more metal or metal-like bands will be added to related.
 ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 13 2008 at 15:43
I'd thought that some of the "more deserving metal bands for prog related" are already in Prog Metal. 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 13 2008 at 15:44
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^ so far the PMT has been avoiding/postponing prog related metal additions ... and for good reasons, at least I used to think. At PA I've learned to expect the unexpected, but I must say I'm really floored by this decision. BTW: I know all the Avantasia albums - in my opinion they're not only not prog, but also not even prog related. I know that some disagree ... but the same is true for Metallica (there are many supporters and many who oppose it). Only a few days ago I was talking about what can make music prog (or prog related) in the Coldplay thread ... unfortunately Avantasia is one of those bands/projects which use prog elements to embellish their music without actually making it progressive. That such a band is chosen over more worthy additions simply frustrates me. Well, if we add Avantasia then we should also be prepared to add Iced Earth, Dragonforce, Sonata Arctica or Fairyland. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: August 13 2008 at 16:01
I understand... but if the number of new bands (any genre) grows then we should expect a similar increasing in the number of new bands going to related too. Following this reasoning, the day more metal bands will fill the related is inexorable IMO, since the number of new metal bands is astonishing and many cross the boundaries forth and back in the progressive realm. ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: August 13 2008 at 16:04
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I have no comment based on this band's music as I had never heard of them until this morning. However, I heard of them while reading the CD/DVD reviews in the current edition of Progression, the quarterly progressive rock journal, which is my external source of prog rock news outside of this site. I believe that they did label them as hard rock/progressive power metal. The review did make it sound quite interesting with the list of other singers who participated on the album. I know that that isn't much more helpful than the above comments dismissing them because of the album cover but I thought that I would share that little tidbit. ------------- 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 13 2008 at 17:09
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^ Listen to Scarecrow ... it was released in January, and many people will undoubtedly compare it to the new Ayreon album (01011001) which was even released in the same week. There are obvious similarities - they're both concept albums, they both feature an extensive list of singers, Jorn Lande sings on both albums. Still, I think that it's not even prog related. In fact, I think that those two albums are a perfect example for the difference between truly prog/progressive music and "normal" mainstream/pop music which has been enhanced with prog elements. I don't have any problem with it, I enjoy listening to Scarecrow and could even imagine them being added as prog related - but not under the circumstances that we have here, with many much more deserving additions being ignored or ultimately rejected.
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: August 13 2008 at 17:22
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Scarecrow was the album that they reviewed. They gave it pretty high marks too if I remember correctly. I think that overall it got 14 1/2 out of 16 stars. I have only heard one Edguy album so I don't have much of a reference point, but the idea that Jorn Lande, Kai Hansen, and Alice Cooper all contributed kind of intrigues me. I just might have to give it a shot. -------------
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 13 2008 at 17:37
honestly.. .I don't see it ...at all. The next prog metal related could have.. and should have been one who was significant... isn't that what PR is at heart really about. I could flood the admin team with related artists for example in the Italian prog field.... and haven't with exception of very important and distinctive artists that belonged here for historical and musical context. Agree with you Mike.. this makes no sense. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: August 14 2008 at 01:23
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 14 2008 at 02:47
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Posted By: Diaby
Date Posted: September 18 2008 at 15:45
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I just silently add an idea: if many bands such as Avantasia will be asked to add, the admins could make a "Power metal" category. I know, that power isn't prog, but it's the most prog-related metal genre (and classic heavy metal, maybe). Just an idea. I don't wanna do it. ------------- yeah |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: September 18 2008 at 15:52
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So operatic elements are now prog-related? Sweet, hello Virgin Black!!
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Posted By: Bob Greece
Date Posted: December 12 2008 at 03:22
Looks like a prog cover to me! Nice use of colours and fantasy themes.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/BobGreece/?chartstyle=basicrt10"> 
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Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: December 12 2008 at 19:53
| ^ the cover is indeed pretty nice Rob, but the actual music is closer to neo-classical metal... |