walrus wrote: what about radiohead records??!!!!!

what about them????!!!!!!!

yeah, but walrus is right.

WHAT ABOUT THEM?

Kid A is great and OK Computer is excellent modern prog.

The Bends, Ok Computer, Kid A, Amnesiac

solid albums. great band heh

Hierophant wrote: This thread means nothing...

Hence your need to respond to it

terramystic wrote: OK Computer is OK  but they don't consider themselves prog!

Neither does frip consider KC prog

frenchie wrote: cuncuna wrote: Radiohead is...well, I don't really know. But they belong here as much as The Mars Volta does. (If styx appears, I see no reason to exclude Radiohead). except radiohead are just alt rock whilst mars volta are actually prog, a concept album full of suites that can last up to half an hour is as prog as it gets whilst radiohead offer nothing to do with prog.

Frenchie, with respect, that is utter rubbish.

This incessant and obsessive categorising is just silly, IMO - I do not recognise "alt rock" as a category or sound as it is meaningless.

Radiohead offer PLENTY to do with prog - as mailto:M@X - M@X and Rony have recognised.

The fact that Mars Volta have a concept album with suites lasting up to half an hour does not automatically make them prog, or we'd be seeing LTJ Bukem in the archives...

In my opinion , the term "prog"  doesn't mean anything, expecially in recent times. It's a term that works good with Genesis, ELP, Gentle Giant, Caravan........ but it stops there.

Radiohead  , anyway, were great with Ok Computer and Kid A, which I think was their best. Probably the greatest band of the nineties, they just had one bad point: they tended to express always the same feeling with their music. Sometimes songs resemble too much....... and well, Hail To the Thief is good but really not all that great.....

BELVA wrote: they just had one bad point: they tended to express always the same feeling with their music. Sometimes songs resemble too much....... and well, Hail To the Thief is good but really not all that great.....

I'd never thought that, but I guess I never listen to more than one record before putting something else on.

BELVA wrote: In my opinion , the term "prog"  doesn't mean anything, expecially in recent times.

I partly disagree and partly agree with this statement...but i'm 70% disagree. The way i see it, prog MEANS stepping away from musical "rules". If you keep the same measure pattern, chord progression, and song buildup as any other song, but make it catchy and get a wad of cash, you are the opposite of prog. The last part of that is why i partly agree with your statement; modern music stays WELL within the boundaries of musical rules set by the 80's and 90's. To make a generalization; all teh instruments are the same, the vocals either screaming or nasaly, and you can always tell when the band is going to hit the next chord and what it will sound like.

Radiohead, however, does not fall into this generalization. Much like other definitive prog bands who convey their music with periods of symphonic melodies or psychadelic sounds, they use computery-robot sounds. Which is cool, because they definitely pulled it off, but i do agree with Bulva that they always convey the same expression/emotion. that's what i have to say about "what about radiohead".

Certif1ed

I'd rather see LTJ Bukem in the archives than rubbish like Styx!!

All:

The Radiohead debate will rage for ever, or at least until they decide to release an album that is either undeniably prog or undeniably NOT prog! As it is I think they hang somewhere in the middle, but not uncomftably so. I'm happy to see them in the archives - more so than Styx!!

The genre has to evolve - progress if you like - and Radiohead are pretty much where the genre is today IMO. If you dont like it, then dont listern to it. Carry on morris dancing to your Gentle Giant records folks, but if the genre was to survive, it needed to move on and rediscover some credibility with folks under 40 years of age. Thank Radiohead and TMV, among others for making this happen.

Fibonacci's Se wrote: welll said

Thankyou sir..

After all, if the genre didn't evolve we would all end up like a load of old Elvis fanatics, meeting up at seaside locations for hushed up prog weekends in comedy Peter Gabriel head masks, getting jeered at by the 'youth of today'

f**k that!

Blacksword wrote: The Radiohead debate will rage for ever, or at least until they decide to release an album that is either undeniably prog or undeniably NOT prog!

Releasing an unprog record wouldn't help at all - I think everyone agrees they've done at least one.

I think only for introducing such a commotion and dissention into the world of music (especially into the world of progressive music) Radiohead members deserve to be shot.

Believe it or not, I even downloaded this "Paranoid Android" and listened to it. I could hardly stand these 6 minutes! I think that Radiohead music is attractive to people with unstable nervous system or some nervous disorder.  After this music one is tempted to cower in a corner and shoot himself (or maybe inflict some minor form of self-damage or damage to others).

Radiohead sounds like a mix of Nirvana, Oasis, Chemical Brothers and suchlike, and I find it shamefully melancholic and aggressive too. It's a pity kids below 21 are allowed to listen to that  As to whether they are prog or not -- I'd say it is certainly disgraceful to put them in the same row as PINK FLOYD, GENESIS, ELP, KING CRIMSON, ÄNGLAGÅRD, YES and many many others ... I think they are better off residing at the website dedicated to music à la Nirvana, Oasis, Chemical Brothers, U2 etc ...

Now, note that I did not attack any Radiohead fans, I just voiced my honest opinion about the group itself.

Well, prog of non-prog, OK Computer is a fantastic album that many progfans like, and that's what it's all about in the 1st place.

Having said that, OK Computer is progressive in form, Kid A even more, but is it what they (who?) call "progrock"?

Well, what is prog anyway? Does anyone have a good definition of prog? This will help the discussion a bit further.

(I hope  )

terramystic wrote: OK Computer is OK  but they don't consider themselves prog!

I don't either.

I'd consider them "ick".

hehehe...I just can't get sick of these constant shots at radiohead.

They're more prog than Dream Theater!

hehehe...I just can't get sick of these constant shots at Dream Theater.

hukt on fonikzz wrote: Progger wrote: The most depressing band I've ever heard. Don't know if the lyrics are depressing or not but the music certainly is. I don't listen to music to feel suicidal but if I listened to this band long enough I'd probably end up slitting my throat! sometimes depressing or as i like to call it "mellow" music is just what the doctor ordered

I like depressing music!

I'm generally irritated by happy music. Most music I listern to, of any genre, generally has a dark or at least melancholic edge. Thats why prog appeals. There are exceptions of course, but the best prog has an almost 'weepy' feel IMO. Genesis were masters of creating this feel, as were VDGG and Camel. Its probably the reason ELP are not one of my favourites, much of their music is far too positive sounding..

Certif1ed wrote: They're more prog than Dream Theater! hehehe...I just can't get sick of these constant shots at Dream Theater.

I can!!!  To me they are definately more prog than Radiohead. Or they are as prog as each other, but poles apart in the spectrum. Sorry, mixed metaphors.