Shuffle-induced headaches!
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Topic: Shuffle-induced headaches!
Posted By: JLocke
Subject: Shuffle-induced headaches!
Date Posted: April 30 2008 at 18:21
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I had my Prog Collection Zune on shuffle today, and the most random shift happened; it went from playing Genesis - "After the Ordeal" to playing Meshuggah - "Sum". The huge contrast in ferocity and volume caused my head to ache!
I was just wondering if any fellow shufflers out there had similar stories about a suffle function-induced headache.
If this topic is pointless, then by all means ignore it and forgive me, I have been away from civilization for awhile so my conversation skills aren't very sharp at the moment.
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: April 30 2008 at 18:27
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I do this a lot, but being a tech cavegirl I only have a low-capacity mp3 player which means I can't carry my entire collection around my neck.
still, anything serious and melodic (PFM being one of the best examples ever) followed by The Residents is just nonsensically jarring. even outside of prog I can randomly roll a show tune/torch song immediately followed by a twenty-two minute Merzbow skree-suite ;P ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: Leningrad
Date Posted: April 30 2008 at 18:44
| A lot of the time, I'll go from a quiet song to a very loud one and that jarrs me. Not just loud as in fast or aggressive... I mean that the volume of the song is louder. I'll go from Tangerine Dream straight into Höyry-Kone and everyone around me just sees me shudder violently and panic, reaching madly for my iPod. |
Posted By: Darklord55
Date Posted: April 30 2008 at 18:58
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I have an iPod and have tried the shuffle mode a few times. I actually don't mind the Genesis to Meshuggah hop. What gripes me the most, the shuffle does not recognize an epic with all it's parts 1,2, 3, etc. etc. So, I may get a 2 minute part of the epic then off to an Opeth tune. However, one can make playlists which solves the problem. A little more time consuming but worth it in the long run. I would assume you can make a playlist with a Zune? I do most of my iPod listening it the car. So a playlist is a must for me. Cheers! |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: April 30 2008 at 19:17
Yeah, but I have never attempted it. However, you are right: playlisting things could indeed solve the jarring problem and the fragmented epic condumdrum.
Well now I feel a little better to know that my fellow podders have had the same experience.
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Darklord55 wrote:Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: April 30 2008 at 19:48
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shuffle never seems to play songs i want to hear at that moment, so shuffle doesnt always work for me...
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 30 2008 at 20:54
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The point of the player is to play what you want, when you want.
The point of the shuffle is to have tracks come up unexpectantly. So
for me the unusual combinations is the thing. Also the element of surprise. Surprise and fear are two... I have a Zune and I wouldn't take a break from civilization without bringing it along, at least not for very long. I have set up a few cool playlists. One that has my latest 50 titles and latest 100. I've also been setting up one for each year going backwards from the present as Zune doesn't seem to make release year an option for making an automatic shuffle set. I've also set up these: Ambient Waves Of Grain (ambient music) Pool of Clay (Les Claypool in Primus and elsewhere) World of Wilson (Steven Wilson in Porcupine Tree and other projects) Hamptomania (everything Bruce Hampton, local phenomena, I'd have to explain it to most people here) Zapparama (just to get everything Zappa together as some stuff went under the ...Mothers...) And a Christmas one to include some proggy albums that are on topic and some songs that exist apart from "Christmas" albums. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Weston
Date Posted: April 30 2008 at 23:56
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I love shuffle. both in my iPod (though this really messes with my audiobook folder) and in my MP3/CD changer. I didn't know about making playlists, so I got around the epic problem by ripping my own CD's and joining the wav files together before converting. I also try to normalize the entire album (not individual songs because some are supposed to be quieter) to level the playing field a little, but the newer material is more compressed so it sounds louder anyway unfortunately. This brings up the question for producers out there. We live in an age of digital media. Why not cater to it? Why break an epic up into sections that won't work on random mode. And why have two otherwise unrelated pieces fade into one another without a break? I don't care so much about movements of a piece, but if they flow directly into one another, there's that annoying abrupt cutoff. It takes me a lot of time to splice them together to get around that. And please - we've all heard the trick where you have a song fade out and then 5 minutes later it fades in again at the end of a CD to startle us after we think the CD is over. Or there's a "hidden" track stuck on the end. It was cool the first seventeen times that happened. But enough already! ------------- If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, creativity is the sincerest form of worship. |
Posted By: DJPuffyLemon
Date Posted: May 01 2008 at 00:38
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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: May 01 2008 at 01:09
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I find shuffle can be hard on the brain,especially with no sleep and your walking around town.I sometimes find a certain song will slowly get me in a certain mood then be completely ruined by the next which will play then get you in another mood etc ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: May 01 2008 at 02:09
O wow, I've found that as well to be happening with me! I am seriousely thinking about stopping the shuffle habit because of this. I mean, I listen to music for more than just simple pleasure when I drive down the road; music is a complete experience to me. To dart quickly from one journey to the next on a shuffler doesn't do it justice fior me. What am I doing shuffling about anyway? I listen to PROG, for God's sake, haha.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 01 2008 at 07:32
Well, quit using the shuffle, foo. Whadda I gotta do? Smack y'all upside the head? 
------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: May 01 2008 at 22:00
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I got a headache just from listening to my friends iPod with default earplug headphones today. It really sounds like crap, plus it's bad for your hearing. For $15-30, people can buy headphones that make a HUGE audible difference, plus are better for their hearing, I just don't get it. Anyway, on topic I don't really use shuffle but sometimes if I'm not in the mood for heavier music, it ends up being an unpleasant experience. ------------- 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 01 2008 at 22:50
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Yeah don't get me started on the default headphones that come with those, I've never heard a set that wasn't a piece of crap.
------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: May 01 2008 at 23:05
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I go through ipod headphones like knowones business and they hurt me ears. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 02 2008 at 05:20
I never shuffle.
------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: May 02 2008 at 07:36
I've heard of the Colonel, don't worry. I'm not sure he's my thing though, his voice is a bit grating for my ears. Not a bad axe wielder though and his contribution on Wintertime Blues is not bad.  As for the question: 1. I don't own an MP3 player 2. I'm an album man and shuffle just doesn't seem to be what I'd want -------------   
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Posted By: Passionist
Date Posted: May 02 2008 at 11:22
| I would use shuffle all the time on my Winamp, then one thing happened. Me and my girlfriend were having sex, and this popped on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PSBp2zC6CY Talk about a mood spoiler. After that I secretly pick a better playlist or we have no music at all, it's not like I always plan it that way. But no more of Ron Moss, for god's sake! |
Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: May 02 2008 at 11:43
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I never use shuffle. I either listen to full albums or individual songs, but if it's individual songs, it's songs that I pick out. |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: May 02 2008 at 13:09
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It seems I'm never satisfied with shuffle functions. usually I listen to a song and then if I like it I'm in the mood to listen to the rest of the album, and if I don't like it I want to change it immediately.... but the mathematical randomness of it all never seems to be in touch with my listening mood so I end up skipping around to find the right thing... only to find that the next song ruins it all. All of shuffle is a headache for me. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 02 2008 at 13:18
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"Neon Shuffle Neon Shuffle it's going to do it to me Neon Shuffle it's going to do it to you Neon Shuffle it's going to do it with red Neon Shuffle it's going to do it with blue Neon Shuffle it's going to run you right through Neon Shuffle with a stick of bamboo" XTC ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Rushman
Date Posted: May 02 2008 at 15:28
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I only listen to shuffle. Almost 1700 songs on shuffle all the time. I've picked the tracks because if I didn't like them they wouldn't be on my iPod.
A sampling of the last ten songs I listened to:
The Unforgiven - Metallica
Brass In Pocket - The Pretenders
Weballergy - Sonata Arctica
Xanadu - Rush
La Villa Strangiato - Rush
Journey from Mariabronn - Kansas
Goodnight Kiss - Dream Theater
Bullet With Butterfly Wings - Smashing Pumpkins
Runnel Of Love - Dire Straits
Everything Is Broken - Kenny Wayne Shepherd
It's like listening to the radio, where you never know what's next, but you know you'll like it (unlike radio).
I also have playlists for certain situations, me and my bro-in-law listen to a lot of metal, so I have a Metal playlist just for when we're hangin'. I also have Mixed Company-Mellow and Mixed Company-Rock, depending on which set of family or friends we have over, etc. But for me it's almost the whole library, with some fat trimmed.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 02 2008 at 17:37
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By the way, there's a thread in Just For Fun where us shufflers list the five tracks from a shuffle. You non shufflers are not invited.  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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