Who hates Yes with a passion?

I think they have been 'overated' at times, but hate? No way.

Have you ever heard Close to the Edge?? It's sublime!!

Where's gdub?? He hates Yes..

Cheesy, sublime??

Whens your birthday? We'll have a whip round (collection) and get you a dictionary

Sorry, I'm being mean. I take cheesy to mean, well listen to 'The circus of Heaven' from the Tormato album by Yes and you'll know what I mean. Sublime in this context means f***ing brilliant, but you clearly disagree.

Blacksword wrote: Cheesy, sublime?? Whens your birthday? We'll have a whip round (collection) and get you a dictionary Sorry, I'm being mean. I take cheesy to mean, well listen to 'The circus of Heaven' from the Tormato album by Yes and you'll know what I mean. Sublime in this context means f***ing brilliant, but you clearly disagree.

I actually never found Cheesy in a dictionary. If you could also enlighten me on the meaning of this adjective other than related to camembert.

Sean Trane wrote: Blacksword wrote: Cheesy, sublime?? Whens your birthday? We'll have a whip round (collection) and get you a dictionary Sorry, I'm being mean. I take cheesy to mean, well listen to 'The circus of Heaven' from the Tormato album by Yes and you'll know what I mean. Sublime in this context means f***ing brilliant, but you clearly disagree. I actually never found Cheesy in a dictionary. If you could also enlighten me on the meaning of this adjective other than related to camembert.

Exactly..thanks Sean

Difficult to articulate, but a cheesy song in my book is a song that puts across an emotion in an overly sweet way; sickly and over the top to the point where it just sounds embarssing. Real arm waving, cigarette lighter holding moments that make you cringe.

Thats my take on the 'cheesy' concept, others may have different ideas, but I'm sure they're all in the same ball park, or cheese factory.

Hey, I'm not American either, you know

Didn't mean to sound like I was getting at you Snow Dog

Sean Trane wrote: Would you qualify the crowd and also those who mourned Lady Di as cheesy?

That sounds like a pretty serious question, Sean. It seems you've taken exception to me. Oh well.

In answer to your question. No I dont consider them cheesy at all. I once read a sociological study of why it was that so many mourned someone they didn't know, and it made for very depressing reading, and I dont want to go into it now.

We've all indulged in 'cheesy' moments in concerts or wherever. Dont take the idea too seriously.

Blacksword wrote: Sean Trane wrote: Would you qualify the crowd and also those who mourned Lady Di as cheesy? That sounds like a pretty serious question, Sean. It seems you've taken exception to me. Oh well. In answer to your question. No I dont consider them cheesy at all. I once read a sociological study of why it was that so many mourned someone they didn't know, and it made for very depressing reading, and I dont want to go into it now. We've all indulged in 'cheesy' moments in concerts or wherever. Dont take the idea too seriously.

If I asked that question , it is because the first real time I got tothink about what cheesy meant was when I heard someone suggest that all of those people were so cheesy (thickly agreeable and consensual and overly willing to participate in mass communion) while watching the news back in 97 at those funerals.

Besides that, I am a huge cheese fan , especially raw milk ones.

As for Yes , they are somewhat over-rated in my book. But from Yes Album to CTTE , Relayer and Keys studios, great stuff. However, they were also very pompous - TFTO, Union, Magnification. I guess in some way they might be cheesy but they are also elitist.

I hate yes. Yes is very boring.

Electric Wizard wrote: I hate yes. Yes is very boring.

At last ...I've found a Yes Hater

frenchie wrote: Dream Theater - Another Day - The ultimate cheese song!

Oh my GOD that song is so bad... the only low spot on an otherwise great album... 

Now we're talking about YES....  there was a time when I completely got tired of them, and I put my albums away vowing never to listen to them again.  I simply visited the well once too often.  Everything was going well too, and I was living a perfectly content Yes-free existence, until one day the local classic rock radio station played "Your move" and I fell in love with those sublime high vocals...  "Don't surround yourself with yourself... move on back two squares."  :swoon:

Those bastards!  

frenchie wrote: i think Yes suck outside of the 1971-1974 era, and that era is sooooo good that it makes them worthy of being prog giants, but ive found that after 1974 they kept going more and more downhill, if you look at their career on a whole they have about 6 masterpiece albums (TYA, F, CTTE, TFTO, R, yessongs) and about 20 crap albums!

Well personally I like all of the yes albums

Swinton MCR wrote: I didn't like Going for the One when I first listened to it - but it sort of sneaked up on me and a year later I loved it !!!! - No other band has had this effect on me yet.......

GFTO has only got Awaken to keep me awake.

Seriously, I find myself incredibly bored with the rest of the tracks on it. but since that great Awaken track, they have only written one track that comes close to that one: Mind Drive on Keys 2

Sean Trane wrote: Swinton MCR wrote: I didn't like Going for the One when I first listened to it - but it sort of sneaked up on me and a year later I loved it !!!! - No other band has had this effect on me yet....... GFTO has only got Awaken to keep me awake. Seriously, I find myself incredibly bored with the rest of the tracks on it. but since that great Awaken track, they have only written one track that comes close to that one: Mind Drive on Keys 2

bollocks!

Couldn't stand Yes for years...I tried most all of the '70s albums, figuring that if I liked King Crimson, ELP, Van Der Graaf Generator, Genesis and Gentle Giant as much as I do, then Yes has to as excellent as everyone says. Well, for years, they did nothing for me. It was Anderson's vocals holding me back. Then I listened to 'Relayer' about a month ago. It BLEW ME AWAY. I don't think there are many prog albums that can touch it. Then I checked out some of their other stuff, and found most all of the '70s stuff to be impressive, even 'Tormato'!

I guess it was a case of being "ready" for them. That happens sometimes. I'm currently listening to 'Fragile' a lot and wondering what the hell I didn't see in them before.

Chris Squire has THE most bad-ass bass tone in prog.

And yeah, "Another Day" is Kenny G-level CHEEEEZ (on an otherwise great album).

Snow Dog wrote: Who hates Yes with a passion?

I am pretty sure this is blasphemy. Yes is the quintessence of progressive music.

frenchie wrote: Snow Dog wrote: frenchie wrote: i think Yes suck outside of the 1971-1974 era, and that era is sooooo good that it makes them worthy of being prog giants, but ive found that after 1974 they kept going more and more downhill, if you look at their career on a whole they have about 6 masterpiece albums (TYA, F, CTTE, TFTO, R, yessongs) and about 20 crap albums!   Well personally I like all of the yes albums wait are you a yes lover or a yes hater? i'm confused!

When did I say that I hated Yes?

Snow Dog wrote: If sublime means "a load of crap" I agree

Oh I see what you mean?

alchemist wrote: snow dog, tell me one good reason to hate yes...they're part of the base of prog rock, how can u dis them?

I dont hate Yes I love 'em

Azrael2112 wrote: Crimson Prince wrote: Snow Dog wrote: Who hates Yes with a passion? I am pretty sure this is blasphemy. Yes is the quintessence of progressive music. Indeed it is my friend...

Its not blasphemy..its just a question

I guess Snow Dog has a right to his opinion.

Although I am a staunch Yes fan, I can understand why they can be annoying to many people.Ok they're overindulgent, pompous, call them what you like: but that's prog rock in the end. IMO the whole point of Prog is experimentation and pushing the limits of the "envelope". Yes are just that, the very foundations of Prog.

Prog without Yes would be like the Impressionist movement without Monet, or even worse, Prog without the Mellotron!!! both possible, but man what a void to fill.

Yes = good.

Not the best band, and not the worst. They were fantastic with thier orginal line-up. Once White was on drums, things were not as good. Then after that, it all went to hell.  But, seriously, they are a fine band and should be check out by all prog fans.

Rick4001 wrote: I guess Snow Dog has a right to his opinion. Although I am a staunch Yes fan, I can understand why they can be annoying to many people.Ok they're overindulgent, pompous, call them what you like: but that's prog rock in the end. IMO the whole point of Prog is experimentation and pushing the limits of the "envelope". Yes are just that, the very foundations of Prog. Prog without Yes would be like the Impressionist movement without Monet, or even worse, Prog without the Mellotron!!! both possible, but man what a void to fill.

What is my opinion? That Yes are one of my favourite bands ,thats what it is

Snow Dog wrote: Rick4001 wrote: I guess Snow Dog has a right to his opinion. Although I am a staunch Yes fan, I can understand why they can be annoying to many people.Ok they're overindulgent, pompous, call them what you like: but that's prog rock in the end. IMO the whole point of Prog is experimentation and pushing the limits of the "envelope". Yes are just that, the very foundations of Prog. Prog without Yes would be like the Impressionist movement without Monet, or even worse, Prog without the Mellotron!!! both possible, but man what a void to fill.   What is my opinion? That Yes are one of my favourite bands ,thats what it is

Hang on a minnit thats not an opinion is it? Thats a fact!

From The Yes Album to Tales (i.e., 7174), Yes is one of my favorite prog bands. Love Yes in that period.

Never been a huge fan of Relayer as many Yes fans are, mostly b/c it seems a bit noisy to me,  and that Cha Cha Cha part seems "cheesy" (as used here meaning annoying to the point that the band ought to be embarrassed). I often skip Sound Chaser just so I won't have to hear that part. I like Going For The One but pretty much lose interest in Yes' work after that.

christ wrote: reed lover is a mong.

Here we go again...

Yes...I find these guys REALLY boring. They are talented...agreed...They are progressive...yes..very progressive...but their style is such that every song kind of bleeds into the next. Also...my biggest gripe...Jon anderson's ANNOYING voice....when are his balls going to drop?

I do NOT hate Yes...I just don't get the big hoopla over them. Close to the Edge being #1 is a BIG problem for me...it is okay....maybe 2.5 stars....their best lp no doubt, but still.........

I don't mind their first two albums - I'd listen to them more if it wasn't for Jon Anderson. I agree, his voice sucks, and his harmonies raise my hackles - really nasty!

But those later boring, noodly, directionless affairs?

What a waste of talent.

Sean Trane wrote: Blacksword wrote: Sean Trane wrote: Would you qualify the crowd and also those who mourned Lady Di as cheesy? That sounds like a pretty serious question, Sean. It seems you've taken exception to me. Oh well. In answer to your question. No I dont consider them cheesy at all. I once read a sociological study of why it was that so many mourned someone they didn't know, and it made for very depressing reading, and I dont want to go into it now. We've all indulged in 'cheesy' moments in concerts or wherever. Dont take the idea too seriously. If I asked that question , it is because the first real time I got tothink about what cheesy meant was when I heard someone suggest that all of those people were so cheesy (thickly agreeable and consensual and overly willing to participate in mass communion) while watching the news back in 97 at those funerals. Besides that, I am a huge cheese fan , especially raw milk ones. As for Yes , they are somewhat over-rated in my book. But from Yes Album to CTTE , Relayer and Keys studios, great stuff. However, they were also very pompous - TFTO, Union, Magnification. I guess in some way they might be cheesy but they are also elitist.

Fair enough.

I'm partial to a bit of cheese myself, I must admit, but not the stinky kind. Only mild ones.

Of all the prog bands I have bothered to subject my freinds to, Yes are the one that gets the definate thumbs down every time, which is a shame because they have made some brilliant  music IMO, CTTE being the most obvious example. Its Wakemens best album IMO. I also liked TFTO, although it took me some years to really appreciate it.

"Reed Lover is a Mong" ?? are you sure you spelt that right....

"Reed Lover is a Moog" - Better statement on a prog rock forum shurley ??

gdub411 wrote: Yes...I find these guys REALLY boring. They are talented...agreed...They are progressive...yes..very progressive...but their style is such that every song kind of bleeds into the next. Also...my biggest gripe...Jon anderson's ANNOYING voice....when are his balls going to drop? I do NOT hate Yes...I just don't get the big hoopla over them. Close to the Edge being #1 is a BIG problem for me...it is okay....maybe 2.5 stars....their best lp no doubt, but still.........

I think he was 60 last year. If his balls haven't dropped by now, I dont think it'll ever happen Most peoples gripe with Yes, in my experience is either Jons voice or the general seemingly directionless flow of their music. They are the sort of band you have to persevere with.