Kittens vs Puppies
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Topic: Kittens vs Puppies
Posted By: The Pessimist
Subject: Kittens vs Puppies
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 12:57
Puppies! Although i love them both
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 13:03
MEOWWWWWW!!!!!
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 13:03
=^.^=
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 13:09
kittens for God's sake kittens
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 13:24
Kitties/cats/felines, of course.
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Posted By: burritounit
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 13:32
puppies for me. kittens can get a bit annoying though puppies can get annoying to.
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Posted By: Evans
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 13:42
I have to feel like i'm needed, that's why i prefer dogs. Cats are too independent.
No, but seriously. Golden retriever pups> most every other animal ever. Except squirrels. They eat funny.
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 14:02
OK, this poll question has hit an all-time bottom. Kittens or puppies? Awwwww.....how sensitive.
Geesh! OK, time for my own poll...
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 14:03
Kittens. Dogs get on my nerves at times. By the way: The difference between a dog and a cat is the way they think. A dog thinks: They feed me, they pet me - they must be Gods. A cat thinks: They feed me, they pet me - I must be a God.
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 14:14
would this be roasted or braised??
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 15:07
BaldFriede wrote:
Kittens. Dogs get on my nerves at times. By the way: The difference between a dog and a cat is the way they think. A dog thinks: They feed me, they pet me - they must be Gods. A cat thinks: They feed me, they pet me - I must be a God.
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Brilliant... and true....
I own two cats so I should say cats.... but I don't own dogs because of the place I live in... dogs are the greatest creatures on earth.... yes... even before Portnoy and Co...
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 15:34
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 15:40
more cat-dog "aphorisms"?
Cats are smarter than dogs. You can't get eight cats to pull a sled through snow. - Jeff Valdez
Confront a child, a puppy, and a kitten with a sudden danger; the
child will turn instinctively for assistance, the puppy will grovel in
abject submission .. the kitten will brace its tiny body for a frantic
resistance. - Saki
Dogs come when they are called; cats take a message and get back to you. Mary Bly
Dogs have owners, cats have staff. - Unknown
If animals could speak the dog would be a blundering outspoken
fellow, but the cat would have the rare grace of never saying a word
too much. - Mark Twain
In order to keep a true perspective of one's importance, everyone
should have a dog that will worship him and a cat that will ignore him.
- Dereke Bruce
CATS AND DOGS
1. Cats do what they want.
2. They rarely listen to you.
3. They're totally unpredictable.
4. They whine when they are not happy.
5. When you want to play, they want to be alone.
6. When you want to be alone, they want to play.
7. They expect you to cater to their every whim.
8. They're moody.
9. They leave hair everywhere.
10. They drive you nuts and cost an arm and a leg.
Conclusion: They're tiny women in little fur coats.
1. Dogs lie around all day, sprawled on the most comfortable piece of furniture in the house.
2. They can hear a package of food opening half a block away, but don't hear you when you're in the same room.
3. They can look dumb and lovable all at the same time.
4. They growl when they are not happy.
5. When you want to play, they want to play.
6. When you want to be alone, they want to play.
7. They are great at begging.
8. They will love you forever if you rub their tummies.
9. They leave their toys everywhere.
10. They do disgusting things with their mouths and then try to give you a kiss.
Conclusion: They're tiny men in little fur coats.
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 15:41
sure, the message is overall repeating itself, as if it would be..."universal".
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 15:45
Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 16:01
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 16:39
Ricochet wrote:
more cat-dog "aphorisms"?
Cats are smarter than dogs. You can't get eight cats to pull a sled through snow. - Jeff Valdez
Confront a child, a puppy, and a kitten with a sudden danger; the
child will turn instinctively for assistance, the puppy will grovel in
abject submission .. the kitten will brace its tiny body for a frantic
resistance. - Saki
Dogs come when they are called; cats take a message and get back to you. Mary Bly
Dogs have owners, cats have staff. - Unknown
If animals could speak the dog would be a blundering outspoken
fellow, but the cat would have the rare grace of never saying a word
too much. - Mark Twain
In order to keep a true perspective of one's importance, everyone
should have a dog that will worship him and a cat that will ignore him.
- Dereke Bruce
CATS AND DOGS
1. Cats do what they want.
2. They rarely listen to you.
3. They're totally unpredictable.
4. They whine when they are not happy.
5. When you want to play, they want to be alone.
6. When you want to be alone, they want to play.
7. They expect you to cater to their every whim.
8. They're moody.
9. They leave hair everywhere.
10. They drive you nuts and cost an arm and a leg.
Conclusion: They're tiny women in little fur coats.
1. Dogs lie around all day, sprawled on the most comfortable piece of furniture in the house.
2. They can hear a package of food opening half a block away, but don't hear you when you're in the same room.
3. They can look dumb and lovable all at the same time.
4. They growl when they are not happy.
5. When you want to play, they want to play.
6. When you want to be alone, they want to play.
7. They are great at begging.
8. They will love you forever if you rub their tummies.
9. They leave their toys everywhere.
10. They do disgusting things with their mouths and then try to give you a kiss.
Conclusion: They're tiny men in little fur coats.
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hhahahhahhah....
Man alive... there went my Arizona Green Tea with Ginsing... .right out my nose.
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 17:05
dogs are better friends, they give more respect. i for one can't stand people that are up themselves, i'd rather someone humble and friendly. dogs it is, as they are generally easier to get along with
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Arnold Schoenberg
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 17:08
its also been proven that dogs listen to prog. cats listen to blues. my dog absolutely loves jethro tull and gentle giant. he always barks in time to the accents in Thick As A Brick at about 3:02. i'm so proud of him
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 17:16
kibble_alex wrote:
its also been proven that dogs listen to prog. cats listen to blues. my dog absolutely loves jethro tull and gentle giant. he always barks in time to the accents in Thick As A Brick at about 3:02. i'm so proud of him
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hahah. .you should be proud.. however there is Tull... then there is Magma. Cats LOVE Magma.
my cats would 'dance' to Magma....
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 17:21
Ricochet wrote:
Confront a child, a puppy, and a kitten with a sudden danger; the
child will turn instinctively for assistance, the puppy will grovel in
abject submission .. the kitten will brace its tiny body for a frantic
resistance. - Saki
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love this one
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 19:20
Musically, my cats suck. If I put music loud, they'll leave, even though they may tolerate it. They make no distinctions between metal and symphonic or any other genre... or classical, for that matter... but if I try to play guitar or play around with keyboards, they'll just leave in zero seconds.....
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Posted By: Evans
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 19:31
Of course, Dogs are a lot smarter than cats.
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'Let's give it another fifteen seconds..'
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Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 19:58
Icanhascheezburger vs Ihasahotdog. Obviously kittens.
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 03:14
The T wrote:
Musically, my cats suck. If I put music loud, they'll leave, even though they may tolerate it. They make no distinctions between metal and symphonic or any other genre... or classical, for that matter... but if I try to play guitar or play around with keyboards, they'll just leave in zero seconds..... |
Hmm, perhaps it is you that musically sucks and they just can't stand your blundering around on your instruments. (not to be taken seriously)
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 10:36
BaldFriede wrote:
The T wrote:
Musically, my cats suck. If I put music loud, they'll leave, even though they may tolerate it. They make no distinctions between metal and symphonic or any other genre... or classical, for that matter... but if I try to play guitar or play around with keyboards, they'll just leave in zero seconds..... |
Hmm, perhaps it is you that musically sucks and they just can't stand your blundering around on your instruments. (not to be taken seriously)
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burn! (tribute to "That 70s Show")
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 13:46
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 20:06
The Nazis used dogs.
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 21:17
^ Ah, Stoney, but the Allies used them too, and dogs have been used to do much other good as well -- more good than ill on the balance, by far.
Dogs regularly find lost children, avalanche victims, disaster victims, fleeing criminals, etc.
They provide eyes for the blind.
On ships, they kept rats down, and rescued drowning sailors. They still rescue drowning people (Labrador retriever, Newfoundland dog). With their very keen noses, they can be trained to detect land mines, explosives, narcotics, etc. (Likely even provide early diagnosis of specific illnesses, is the latest hoped-for application.)
They can guard property, children, the elderly. They can be beasts of burden. They can be used for transportation in snowy climes. They can herd and protect sheep. They can detect and retrieve game for hunters. In hospitals & nursing homes, they can comfort the ill, elderly and lonely. They can even clean up kitchen and dining room spills!
Etc, etc!
(You know all these things, no doubt.)
Did you know that dogs are (genetically) tame wolves -- they are the same species. When you are in their "pack," they are completely loyal to you, and protective of you, until death. They will stand in the face of danger -- even die -- for you. (Ask any cop who has a canine partner.)
When my family and I were camping in a tent, my little dog went after a black bear that was very near to me (and my sleeping wife and kids). My little dog did not act as if he was small -- he fearlessly harassed that bear until it soon fled. We stayed there another night -- I was very glad to have him, his bravery, his bark, his sharp ears, and his nose with us.
Cats can make good pets for many people, and it seems that many progholes prefer them, but they simply cannot compete with dogs in terms of loyalty and age-old utility to man. A cat does things for itself (many will find that instinctive independence & "selfishness" admirable), but a dog does things for YOU. Our partnership with them goes back to the stone age. They did not get tagged "man's best friend" for nothing!
And puppies are darned cute -- who could honestly deny that?
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Posted By: darkmatter
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 21:24
Well I have 4 cats at home, have had several cats throughout my life, so I think my answer is obvious.
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 21:24
Having a dog and a tomcat, I may say that I like both but my heart has a little bias for the dog...
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 21:36
Atkingani wrote:
Having a dog and a tomcat, I may say that I like both but my heart has a little bias for the dog...
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Yeah -- I'm not trying to put down cats (no doubt they have their charms, especially if you're not allergic to them, or if you live in an apartment, etc) but come on people, be fair -- give the loving, loyal, brave and downright useful doggy its due!
A dog just might save your life one day!
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 21:57
Here they are:
Duque, 9 years-old large poodle (more than 20 kg), with one of his properties:
Nick, 11 months-old persian (more than 6 kg), making a lion's face (in fact he has a mane):
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 22:24
Nice pets, Guigo -- even if the cat looks like a surly, maladjusted metal musician!
Do they ever catch exotic Brazilian bugs, or other such creepy critters?
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 22:36
Thanks, Petey...
The cat is specialist in bringing home from our backyard cockroaches or snails to play with them in our bed... the dog however is a sweetheart unable to hurt even a small ant.
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 23:00
I think we need some prog "good dog" (okay, or cat) lyrics in this thread!
Here's a line from Jethro Tull's cool No Lullaby:
There's a lock on the window; there's a chain on the door: a big dog in the hall. But there's dragons and beasties out there in the night to snatch you if you fall.
Ohhh -- scary! Stay there by the door, Mangler! Good dog!
Irish Wolfhounds ^ (but not the "flying purple" Yes variety! )
Big dogs -- originally bred for hunting wolves, elk, wild boar -- and humans in war!
Up to 7 feet tall, when standing!
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 23:13
Yeah, here's that wacky Jon Anderson line, from the terrific Yours Is No Disgrace (Yes Album):
Battleships confide in me and tell me where you are Shining, flying, purple wolfhound, show me where you are....
Shining? Flying? PURPLE? WTF???
I love it though -- very prog -- very 70s!
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 21 2008 at 00:34
Peter wrote:
^ Ah, Stoney, but the Allies used them too, and dogs have been used to do much other good as well -- more good than ill on the balance, by far.
Dogs regularly find lost children, avalanche victims, disaster victims, fleeing criminals, etc.
They provide eyes for the blind.
On ships, they kept rats down, and rescued drowning sailors. They still rescue drowning people (Labrador retriever, Newfoundland dog). With their very keen noses, they can be trained to detect land mines, explosives, narcotics, etc. (Likely even provide early diagnosis of specific illnesses, is the latest hoped-for application.)
They can guard property, children, the elderly. They can be beasts of burden. They can be used for transportation in snowy climes. They can herd and protect sheep. They can detect and retrieve game for hunters. In hospitals & nursing homes, they can comfort the ill, elderly and lonely. They can even clean up kitchen and dining room spills!
Etc, etc!
(You know all these things, no doubt.)
Did you know that dogs are (genetically) tame wolves -- they are the same species. When you are in their "pack," they are completely loyal to you, and protective of you, until death. They will stand in the face of danger -- even die -- for you. (Ask any cop who has a canine partner.)
When my family and I were camping in a tent, my little dog went after a black bear that was very near to me (and my sleeping wife and kids). My little dog did not act as if he was small -- he fearlessly harassed that bear until it soon fled. We stayed there another night -- I was very glad to have him, his bravery, his bark, his sharp ears, and his nose with us.
Cats can make good pets for many people, and it seems that many progholes prefer them, but they simply cannot compete with dogs in terms of loyalty and age-old utility to man. A cat does things for itself (many will find that instinctive independence & "selfishness" admirable), but a dog does things for YOU. Our partnership with them goes back to the stone age. They did not get tagged "man's best friend" for nothing!
And puppies are darned cute -- who could honestly deny that?
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Best post ever....
Anyway, I feel like a traitor as I have two wonderful cats... and if we are showing off our friends, let me show you how well I've educated one of my own, Burt:
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Posted By: Wilcey
Date Posted: February 21 2008 at 02:40
I love both, I don't have any pets right now, truly I don't think I could cope with another loss.......... I still get a bit weepy when I think of TuTu dearly departed Lurcher of the wolfhound variety, but blonde and beardy and totally gorgeous, she has been gone about 5 years now............ or Ollie, big bad cat, grumpy, and viscious with strangers and big fat lovable kitty with family who passed away last September.
Tutu was incredibly stupid, I think she was retarded but here size ensured protection, and Ollie would have had the arm off a burglar before we could wake up!
Dogs V Cats......... I don't know, both?
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: February 21 2008 at 04:50
Peter wrote:
^ Ah, Stoney, but the Allies used them too, and dogs have been used to do much other good as well -- more good than ill on the balance, by far.
Dogs regularly find lost children, avalanche victims, disaster victims, fleeing criminals, etc.
They provide eyes for the blind.
On ships, they kept rats down, and rescued drowning sailors. They still rescue drowning people (Labrador retriever, Newfoundland dog). With their very keen noses, they can be trained to detect land mines, explosives, narcotics, etc. (Likely even provide early diagnosis of specific illnesses, is the latest hoped-for application.)
They can guard property, children, the elderly. They can be beasts of burden. They can be used for transportation in snowy climes. They can herd and protect sheep. They can detect and retrieve game for hunters. In hospitals & nursing homes, they can comfort the ill, elderly and lonely. They can even clean up kitchen and dining room spills!
Etc, etc!
(You know all these things, no doubt.)
Did you know that dogs are (genetically) tame wolves -- they are the same species. When you are in their "pack," they are completely loyal to you, and protective of you, until death. They will stand in the face of danger -- even die -- for you. (Ask any cop who has a canine partner.)
When my family and I were camping in a tent, my little dog went after a black bear that was very near to me (and my sleeping wife and kids). My little dog did not act as if he was small -- he fearlessly harassed that bear until it soon fled. We stayed there another night -- I was very glad to have him, his bravery, his bark, his sharp ears, and his nose with us.
Cats can make good pets for many people, and it seems that many progholes prefer them, but they simply cannot compete with dogs in terms of loyalty and age-old utility to man. A cat does things for itself (many will find that instinctive independence & "selfishness" admirable), but a dog does things for YOU. Our partnership with them goes back to the stone age. They did not get tagged "man's best friend" for nothing!
And puppies are darned cute -- who could honestly deny that?
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you forgot to mention one thing, Peter: they also served and still
serve as food in some countries, for example Iceland and China.
actually chow-chow, the name of a special breed of dog, means
"yummy-yummy" regarding to taste in Chinese.
one of the reasons Amundsen won the race to the South Pole against
Scott was that he used sledge dogs which not only pulled the sledge but
also served as living supplies; the less the sled weighed the fewer
dogs were needed to pull it, so when a sufficient amount of provisions
was used up certain dogs became "available".
this just serves to show what a friend man's best friend actually is
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Posted By: Passionist
Date Posted: February 21 2008 at 07:00
I never really liked cats that much because they give me horrible allergic things. But they're cuddly ^_^
Anyway, a cat to me was always like a teenage girl. They just let you know in every possible way, that they don't need you, and then the come home for dinner...
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: February 21 2008 at 07:46
BaldJean wrote:
you forgot to mention one thing, Peter: they also served and still serve as food in some countries, for example Iceland and China. actually chow-chow, the name of a special breed of dog, means "yummy-yummy" regarding to taste in Chinese. one of the reasons Amundsen won the race to the South Pole against Scott was that he used sledge dogs which not only pulled the sledge but also served as living supplies; the less the sled weighed the fewer dogs were needed to pull it, so when a sufficient amount of provisions was used up certain dogs became "available". this just serves to show what a friend man's best friend actually is
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Actually, I did not forget either of those facts. they weren't particularly useful to the point I was trying to make, and I also did not want to give offense to any members from such a (here nameless) dog-eating country.
(Yes, and in WW2 Stalingrad, the starving beseiged population first ate all the livestock, before they ate their dogs and cats, and then resorted to cannibalism as a means to stay alive.)
I have never heard that about Iceland -- are you sure they eat dogs there? (Nor can i locate any references to that on the Net -- though it seems they eat "white dogs," which are hotdogs made from mutton.) Can you provide a citation? (Just curious -- it may well be true for all I know.)
Is your concluding remark meant to demonstrate that the actions of a few cultures, or polar explorers (who are in quite extrordinary circumstances, and whom I doubt were lusting after their steadfast dogs as meat the entire time) prove that the entirety of humankind does not really like dogs? That My family and I don't love ours as another member of the family? Why this seeming hostility toward my post?
(Or am I misunderstanding your intent?)
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: February 21 2008 at 08:05
BTW Jean, it seems they eat cat in certain cultures too -- did you "forget' that?
http://www.messybeast.com/eat-cats.htm - http://www.messybeast.com/eat-cats.htm
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: February 21 2008 at 08:06
Peter wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
you forgot to mention one thing, Peter: they also served and still serve as food in some countries, for example Iceland and China. actually chow-chow, the name of a special breed of dog, means "yummy-yummy" regarding to taste in Chinese. one of the reasons Amundsen won the race to the South Pole against Scott was that he used sledge dogs which not only pulled the sledge but also served as living supplies; the less the sled weighed the fewer dogs were needed to pull it, so when a sufficient amount of provisions was used up certain dogs became "available". this just serves to show what a friend man's best friend actually is
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Actually, I did not forget either of those facts. they weren't particularly useful to the point I was trying to make, and I also did not want to give offense to any members from such a (here nameless) dog-eating country.
(Yes, and in WW2 Stalingrad, the starving beseiged population first ate all the livestock, before they ate their dogs and cats, and then resorted to cannibalism as a means to stay alive.)
I have never heard that about Iceland -- are you sure they eat dogs there? (Nor can i locate any references to that on the Net -- though it seems they eat "white dogs," which are hotdogs made from mutton.) Can you provide a citation? (Just curious -- it may well be true for all I know.)
Is your concluding remark meant to demonstrate that the actions of a few cultures, or polar explorers (who are in quite extrordinary circumstances, and whom I doubt were lusting after their steadfast dogs as meat the entire time) prove that the entirety of humankind does not really like dogs? That My family and I don't love ours as another member of the family? Why this seeming hostility toward my post?
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first of all - no hostility at all. I have no idea where you get this feeling from.
second: my knowledge of dogs being eaten in Iceland stems from a report about Iceland by the magazine GEO, a source which is usually quite accurate.
as to cats being eaten: mankind will eat anything provided it is nourishing. there is a famous play named "Der Etappenhase" by Willy Millowitsch, a German theater comedian whose productions were shown on German TV a lot; in this a family has "rabbit" for dinner, which later turns out to be cat indeed
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: February 21 2008 at 08:46
The difference between eating cats & dogs is that dogs will probably roll over & suggest the best cut as long as it pleases you, the pack leader...
...whereas a cat will just look cute & point at the dog.
Having met Peter's dog, I can attest it is a bit of a cutie, but overall, I always have, I do and I suspect always will prefer cats; where Peter sees selfishness, I see independance (OK, OK and selfishness). I think that's what I love about them - being a selfish person myself, I know Vicky and I can go away & not worry about the cats: they're happy enough being fed by a neighbour & when we come back from holiday, we're all gushy over seeing them again & they're "sorry... do I know you?".
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: February 21 2008 at 09:14
BaldJean wrote:
Peter wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
you forgot to mention one thing, Peter: they also served and still serve as food in some countries, for example Iceland and China. actually chow-chow, the name of a special breed of dog, means "yummy-yummy" regarding to taste in Chinese. one of the reasons Amundsen won the race to the South Pole against Scott was that he used sledge dogs which not only pulled the sledge but also served as living supplies; the less the sled weighed the fewer dogs were needed to pull it, so when a sufficient amount of provisions was used up certain dogs became "available". this just serves to show what a friend man's best friend actually is
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Actually, I did not forget either of those facts. they weren't particularly useful to the point I was trying to make, and I also did not want to give offense to any members from such a (here nameless) dog-eating country.
(Yes, and in WW2 Stalingrad, the starving besieged population first ate all the livestock, before they ate their dogs and cats, and then resorted to cannibalism as a means to stay alive.)
I have never heard that about Iceland -- are you sure they eat dogs there? (Nor can i locate any references to that on the Net -- though it seems they eat "white dogs," which are hotdogs made from mutton.) Can you provide a citation? (Just curious -- it may well be true for all I know.)
Is your concluding remark meant to demonstrate that the actions of a few cultures, or polar explorers (who are in quite extraordinary circumstances, and whom I doubt were lusting after their steadfast dogs as meat the entire time) prove that the entirety of humankind does not really like dogs? That My family and I don't love ours as another member of the family? Why this seeming hostility toward my post?
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first of all - no hostility at all. I have no idea where you get this feeling from.
second: my knowledge of dogs being eaten in Iceland stems from a report about Iceland by the magazine GEO, a source which is usually quite accurate.
as to cats being eaten: mankind will eat anything provided it is nourishing. there is a famous play named "Der Etappenhase" by Willy Millowitsch, a German theater comedian whose productions were shown on German TV a lot; in this a family has "rabbit" for dinner, which later turns out to be cat indeed
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Okay Jean -- no problem. I did say "seeming" (I was not sure), and it's so easy to mistake the 'tone" of mere text, especially in the absence of those handy emoticons.
People also get quite passionate about their preferred pets -- divisive topics at PA: religion, politics, metal as prog, prog, and pets. beware wading into the cat and dog minefield!
Yes, if it can possibly be eaten, human will eat it (and have done so, somewhere).
In Bill Bryson's amusing and informative A short History of Nearly Everything, he tells of one early British naturalist/scientist who was determined to try every animal found in Britain. Apparently he found almost all of them palatable, but pronounced mole to be a "disgusting" dish.
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: February 21 2008 at 14:11
On the other hand, stray dogs will eat human's corpses in warzones or areas plagued with hunger or diseases... dogpacks formed in these places may consider a child or a disabled adult as their prey.
Those beautiful giant wildcats (genus Panthera) won't lose the opportunity to kill and eat a person and even medium-size felids like the cougars may do their attempts if chances appear.
Survival is the key... for all species!
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 21 2008 at 14:15
It also has to be mentioned that, although it is not very common, some people do eat horse meat in Germany; there still is the odd "Päädmenges" (Cologne dialect word for "horse butcher") in Cologne, where you can buy your "Päädswoosch" (Cologne dialect word for "horse sausage"), and "Suurbrode noh Husareaat" (literally "sour roast hussar style", another Cologne dialect term) is made from horse meat as well. In France this is even more common.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 21 2008 at 15:32
The question is: have we been as good friends to dogs as they have been to us?
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: February 22 2008 at 12:51
Peter wrote:
^ Ah, Stoney, but the Allies used them too, and dogs have been used to do much other good as well -- more good than ill on the balance, by far.
Dogs regularly find lost children, avalanche victims, disaster victims, fleeing criminals, etc.
They provide eyes for the blind.
On ships, they kept rats down, and rescued drowning sailors. They still rescue drowning people (Labrador retriever, Newfoundland dog). With their very keen noses, they can be trained to detect land mines, explosives, narcotics, etc. (Likely even provide early diagnosis of specific illnesses, is the latest hoped-for application.)
They can guard property, children, the elderly. They can be beasts of burden. They can be used for transportation in snowy climes. They can herd and protect sheep. They can detect and retrieve game for hunters. In hospitals & nursing homes, they can comfort the ill, elderly and lonely. They can even clean up kitchen and dining room spills!
Etc, etc!
(You know all these things, no doubt.)
Did you know that dogs are (genetically) tame wolves -- they are the same species. When you are in their "pack," they are completely loyal to you, and protective of you, until death. They will stand in the face of danger -- even die -- for you. (Ask any cop who has a canine partner.)
When my family and I were camping in a tent, my little dog went after a black bear that was very near to me (and my sleeping wife and kids). My little dog did not act as if he was small -- he fearlessly harassed that bear until it soon fled. We stayed there another night -- I was very glad to have him, his bravery, his bark, his sharp ears, and his nose with us.
Cats can make good pets for many people, and it seems that many progholes prefer them, but they simply cannot compete with dogs in terms of loyalty and age-old utility to man. A cat does things for itself (many will find that instinctive independence & "selfishness" admirable), but a dog does things for YOU. Our partnership with them goes back to the stone age. They did not get tagged "man's best friend" for nothing!
And puppies are darned cute -- who could honestly deny that?
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My God, that's beautiful... dogs ARE fearless. We were nearly burgled quite a while ago by some raging moron in a baseball cap. Luckily my little wire fox terrier was in the garden, and before the pathetic man knew what was coming, my little dog (about a quarter of his size) ran up and bit his balls so hard, there was blood on the patio he ran away screaming and swearing his head off while my dog chased him out. also when i was little, she guarded me and whenever anyone she didn't know came near me, she barked and growled in a very threatening manner. unfortunately she past away about 6 years ago man i loved that dog, man's best friend indeed.
and puppies ARE damn cute
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Arnold Schoenberg
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