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Topic: Does Neal Morse annoy you?
Posted By: Lofcaudio
Subject: Does Neal Morse annoy you?
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 14:53

While I am a big fan of Mr. Morse, I understand that plenty of people find him "annoying."  If that is you, what is it about him (or his music) that annoys you?




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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 14:57
Last option for me, I think he is awesome, even in spite of his religious leanings.

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Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 15:11
He is awesome. I personally just don't care about his view on religion or anybody else's.


Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 15:13
I like him, my only problem is that he is a tad derivative, but there are far worse offenders that make music

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Posted By: Paper Champion
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 15:27
Neal is awesome for sure, I like all the works by Spock's Beard and Transatlantic, and suppose his solo albums are quite good as well.


Posted By: Chicapah
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 15:31
Morse just doesn't make bad albums.  And, more often than not, he makes masterpieces.

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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 15:40
Actually, after I posted this I remembered that Admin does not like these kinds of threads.  Out of respect for them I retract my comments and will suppress my Morse opinions.  Carry on Morsies. 


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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 15:46
Neal Morse doesn't annoy me, though his music rather has.

I listened to it in order to broaden the scope of my musical knowledge and experience (I want to be well-rounded in Prog circles) but didn't listen enough  get excessively annoyed (I'm no masochist).  His music grates on me in a  number of ways.  I have yet to find anything he's been involved with that I like, or don't dislike, I think.  That doesn't mean to say that I couldn't find anything I would like that he's been involved in.

 Incidentally, perhaps you should have had an "All of the above" poll option right above the "Other" option. Wink


Posted By: proglil49
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 16:03
He's worse than Roger Waters. He's so eccentric and cheesy.

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Posted By: Lofcaudio
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 16:04
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Other....for "all of the above." 
 
But that's such a great song!  Tongue


Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 16:04
he's an idol to me, and probably likewise to a lot of other musicians. he's awesome, no doubt about it.


Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 16:12
Originally posted by proglil49 proglil49 wrote:

He's worse than Roger Waters. He's so eccentric and cheesy.


are you implying Roger Waters is bad? Angry


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Posted By: Lofcaudio
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 16:18
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

To be fair though, I've only heard Spocks Beard.
 
Just out of curiosity, which album(s)?
 
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Perhaps Transatlantic is completely different and I would like that better. 
 
Transatlantic is different, but not "completely different."  It is often described as Spock's Beard mixed with the Flower Kings as Morse and Stolt are the primary composers of the Transatlantic material.


Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 16:47
Where's the "all of the above" option? Cool

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Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 16:51
^^ meaning that you think he's too cheesy, too derivative, too religious, too AOR/pop, his voice is boring and grating at the same time, other, AND he's awesome?

Personally, I think he's awesome; he's made some of the catchiest, most epic music ever.


Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 17:00

Not annoying: simply wonderful .  Clap



Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 17:00
Originally posted by Lofcaudio Lofcaudio wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

To be fair though, I've only heard Spocks Beard.
 
Just out of curiosity, which album(s)?
 
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Perhaps Transatlantic is completely different and I would like that better. 
 
Transatlantic is different, but not "completely different."  It is often described as Spock's Beard mixed with the Flower Kings as Morse and Stolt are the primary composers of the Transatlantic material.


Sorry man, see edited post above.  Cheers! Smile


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Posted By: Lofcaudio
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 17:14
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Sorry man, see edited post above.  Cheers! Smile
 
In my opinion, this is far from being a negative thread.  This isn't a worst song, artist, album, etc. type of deal.  Surely you can see the distinction as we discuss one of today's more influential artists in the prog scene.  Morse is a fascinating case (as evidenced by the responses so far) in that he has a polarizing effect upon people as most either love him or detest him.  I'd just like to see if there is a primary reason for people's dissatisfaction with Morse's music or if it is a number of different things that attribute to their disdain.  If this were to deteriorate into a hate pile-on, then this thread/poll should be locked, removed whatever as it would no longer have any redeeming value.


Posted By: SoundsofSeasons
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 17:20
I really love his music, and yes i mean as a solo artist. And, guess what, the religious thing makes the music even better for me.

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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 17:22
When he's listening to his ipod he tends to sing along out of tune, which is particularly annoying on public transport. And it's infuriating when he claims it's not his turn to take the newspapers to the recycling bank even though the house rota is on the kitchen door and he sees it every day. So yes, Neal Morse definitely annoys me sometimes, but we all have our faults.

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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 17:24
No way. Neal is one of the better ones out there.

E


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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 17:54
too religious for me...just reminds me of my childhood and sends a shiver down my spine....Unhappy

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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 18:11
Neal Morse himself, No
 
Neal Morse' musical direction, too cop paste typical symp prog, nothing very imaginative
 
Mike Portney with Neal Morse, terrible.


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Posted By: ES335
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 19:07
I like him as a songwriter, and I think he sounds better with Transatlantic than with Spock's Beard, but his voice, hmmm.  Let's just say I don't think he would have to try very hard to do a killer Weird Al Yankovic impersonation.


Posted By: profskett
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 19:36
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Last option for me, I think he is awesome, even in spite of his religious leanings.
I think he's awesome, especially in light of his beliefs. It adds a new twist to the style, and a wonderful sense of positivity to his lyrics.


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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 20:43
*giggled at Sygyzy's reply*

Well, he doesn't annoy me any more because I don't listen to music by any of the groups he's involved with, although if he puts something out this year I'll endure it, since that's my crusade.

My chief problem is that his music is too safe, too rooted in the nice-but-predictable. It's no crime to make solid pop/rock songs but they're simply not what excites me. Sorry Neal. Take solace in the fact that you're not the only artist with which I have this problem.  ;P


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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 23:31
He may not be the best vocalist out there, but he's sill awesome. Great composer/writer. Althought I can see where some people would find him quite annoying. Y'know who I think is annoying? The Swedish version of him, Roine Stolt. But this poll isn't about Stolt, so I'll bugger off.

Morse? Awesome.


Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 00:05
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

When he's listening to his ipod he tends to sing along out of tune, which is particularly annoying on public transport. And it's infuriating when he claims it's not his turn to take the newspapers to the recycling bank even though the house rota is on the kitchen door and he sees it every day. So yes, Neal Morse definitely annoys me sometimes, but we all have our faults.
LOL He he he!
 
Isn't he a New Brunswick trawlerman?  Didn't our Jim take him up the canal once? Wink
 
 
 
 
 
Seroiously though, I imagine he might well annoy me -- if I gave him the chance. Ermm


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Posted By: Flucktrot
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 00:44
I never miss a chance to give some props to Morse!

Sounds great in the studio...otherwise I have to admit I'm less thrilled


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Posted By: andYouandI45
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 15:57

There are several prog groups and solo artists that I don't like, but I can understand why people like them.

The difference with Neal Morse is that I can't see why anybody does like his music. I've tried it out. It's christian dad rock. And you can say he's talented or whatever, but talent only goes so far, at some point the songs have to be good too.
 
Sorry if I hurt anyones feelings


Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 16:04

Mr Morse seems a nice person

But his lyrics are really annoying, If I want sermons, I go to church and if I want to listen anti Catholic lyrics i place the 700 Club.
 
Iván


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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 16:09
The man is a genius and I absolutely love his music.Big%20smile

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Posted By: Frippertron
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 16:25
Neal Morse is overbearing..
 
I love his singing etc, but when I watched The Making of V, I was cringing how full of himself he is.
 
He needs to settle down a bit.


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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 16:32
Originally posted by Frippertron Frippertron wrote:

Neal Morse is overbearing..
 
I love his singing etc, but when I watched The Making of V, I was cringing how full of himself he is.
 
He needs to settle down a bit.


A lot has changed since then ...


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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 16:49
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Mr Morse seems a nice person

But his lyrics are really annoying, If I want sermons, I go to church and if I want to listen anti Catholic lyrics i place the 700 Club.
 
Iván



"My purpose in making this album is to open people's eyes to the idea that the church started out in the full light ("I am the light of the world", "YE are the light of the world") went into darkness and is now in the process of coming back into the light. When I wrote this album I was unaware of Martin Luther's anti-Jewish statements, and I considered scrapping it, but I feel that the main point is that the way God used him to protest false religion is stil a good example of courage and boldness for a Godly cause.
Also, I am not trying to point to only one church that needs to be reformed, but rather that we should ALL look at the scriptures afresh to see what truth God wants to restore in THIS generation! If Luther brought back salvation by faith, the Wesleys brought sanctification, and the Pentecostals restored the baptism of the Holy Ghost, what is there for US to restore? Remember, the latter house shall be greater than the former!"

-from insert of Sola Scriptura

doesn't really seem like he harbors any feelings against the current church

I'll admit that some of the lyrics are a bit blunt but I don't think the purpose of this album was to go out of his way to bash Catholicism


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Posted By: Nash
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 17:29
Neal Morse is BORING! everything of him is BORING!

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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 17:47
Originally posted by heyitsthatguy heyitsthatguy wrote:



doesn't really seem like he harbors any feelings against the current church

I'll admit that some of the lyrics are a bit blunt but I don't think the purpose of this album was to go out of his way to bash Catholicism
 
Are you sure? Have you read any of his interviews?
 
Quote Sola Scriptura an attack on the Catholic Church?

Morse: It takes place in Luther's time, but I go beyond that all the way to the book of Revelation. I think it's important to understand that throughout history, the church fell away from Jesus and his teachings. It fell away from "Love your enemies," for example. That's what I'm trying to paint through Martin Luther and the Catholic Church. That is the first step to understanding Sola Scriptura.

The second step would be to ask, "If the church fell away and got poisoned and tainted, then what else besides 'The just shall live by faith' got twisted?" What else do we see in the Scriptures that we don't see in the church, or do we see in the church but don't see in the Scriptures? What do we all need to reform?

In "The Conflict," the second track on Sola Scriptura, you have the Catholic Church of that day declaring, "Look, I've got great big armies like a General/I may have a mistress but at least I'm a hetero" Why did you write those lines?

Morse: I read about a pope who wanted to be known as the conquering pope, like a great general, and I thought what a contrast to Christ's life. There was another pope that was homosexual, and another pope had a lot of mistresses. I wrote that line mainly because I was looking for something to rhyme with "general," but I wasn't sure whether I should leave that. I prayed about it, and even up to near the end of the album I wondered if I should change some of the lines because they were pretty hard. But a couple weeks later, a friend who didn't know anything about the album said to me he was reading that Luther was so appalled by the immorality when he went to Rome. One of the priests said to him, "We may have mistresses, but at least we're not homosexuals." But of course, all the sins of the flesh are equal. They're not listed by degrees.

Is the criticism fair that the story of Martin Luther and the Reformation often neglects the shortcomings of the reformers?

Morse: I don't really want to focus so much on Martin Luther and the Catholic Church, but on what is the spirit of the corrupt church and what is the spirit of the true church? My thought is that there is this spirit in the church that wants to kill everything that isn't like it. Even the reformers had it, and the reform churches may still have it.

When do you believe the corruption of the church began?

Morse: It seems to me that there was a steady decline. My goal is to have people step back and take a look at the big picture.  What are the fruits of this declining church?

http://www.christianitytoday.com/music/interviews/2007/nealmorse-0407.html - http://www.christianitytoday.com/music/interviews/2007/nealmorse-0407.html
 
 
It's evident by his words that even when people believe he's talking about Luther's days, he's also talking about actual Catholic Church.
 
Quote Yeah, the main thought behind the album is to open the peoples eyes to the church that Jesus started fell away from righteousness in that thousand year period when the church was in a righteous condition that perhaps some of Jesus' teachings got poisoned and that then we need to, not only did Luther need to, look fresh at the scriptures but maybe we do in our day as well.

I really like to encourage people to read the Bible for themselves and to see where the church may need to be reformed today.
 
http://www.caerllysimusic.co.uk/index1.html?target=d84.html - http://www.caerllysimusic.co.uk/index1.html?target=d84.html  
 
In The Door he attacks clearly our believes:
 
1.- Attacks our believe in the Holy Communion, our most sacred Sacrament:
 
Calls himself the Bishop-Prince and blood's his favorite wine
 
2.-  Attacks our belief in the Saints:
 
We'll take the Roman Gods except the names will all be changed
 
I don't want to turn this into a Theological debate (there are many in this Forum) but if I'm asked a question, I reply.
 
Iván
 
 



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Posted By: Zitro
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 18:53
His vocals are mediocre.

But his songwriting skills are top-notch. His solo prog albums are at least 4-star albums for me.


Posted By: shanocles
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 20:17
listening to neal's creativity with music has improved the way i view/play music myself. he is a complete inspiration and also does the genre of prog a great service. c'mon transatlantic is very beautiful music. i'm also a Christian/follower of Christ and nothing rocks me more to hear prog to biblical themes/scripture. not only that, he's progressive enough do branch into many other genres, and do them justice also. just think about his creative output in the last few years ... my count is at least 12-13 recordings since leaving Spock's (and that doesn't include guest appearances ala-Salem Hill or his 2 latest studio jobs soon to be released), plus the many various tours (he is on tour as we speak). he's totally committed to music!Thumbs%20Up


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Posted By: jplanet
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 20:39
I think his music is brilliant, yet I am put off by the fact that he ditched his band, who had invested themselves in his talent and trusted his commitment to them. As a Christian, I'm surprised he didn't see the members of Spock's Beard as a gift from God that he failed to cherish. That's my problem with the hardcore evangelical scene -- you must put everything behind you and the focus of everything in your life has to directly be in praise of God. I see nothing wrong with that being done indirectly, e.g. appreciate what life has given you.

I can't say annoying so much as difficult to comprehend.


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Posted By: khammer99
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 21:45
 Don't find him annoying at all. His work with Spock's Beard and Transatlantic is very good.

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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 03 2008 at 04:23
Originally posted by jplanet jplanet wrote:

I think his music is brilliant, yet I am put off by the fact that he ditched his band, who had invested themselves in his talent and trusted his commitment to them. As a Christian, I'm surprised he didn't see the members of Spock's Beard as a gift from God that he failed to cherish. That's my problem with the hardcore evangelical scene -- you must put everything behind you and the focus of everything in your life has to directly be in praise of God. I see nothing wrong with that being done indirectly, e.g. appreciate what life has given you.

I can't say annoying so much as difficult to comprehend.


I'm not a religious person myself - but I can understand that he wanted to make different music which was simply not possible with Spock's Beard. In retrospect I think it was a very good decision to go separate ways ... both he and his former band are doing quite well.


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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: February 03 2008 at 09:36
derivative and boring, but nothing too horrible. 2.5 stars


Posted By: Beastie!
Date Posted: February 03 2008 at 10:40
Neal Morse annoys me when he takes more than a year to release a new album lol
Other than that, he is my favourite artist and thus far he hasn't managed to annoy me even a little bit...


Posted By: anglagardist
Date Posted: February 03 2008 at 10:44
Is Neal Morse too cheesy? YES.
Despite some of his songs with Spock's Beard are excellent and not cheesy, I find bigger half of his output too cheesy. Some of his ballads deserve special mention as for cheesiness.
 
Is Neal Morse too derivative? NO.
He's derivative, sometimes he's repeating himself, but in both cases not to the extent I mind.
 
Is Neal Morse too religious? YES.
For an atheist like me it's quite difficult to listen to his lyrics. I have to respect his faith and concentrate to his music.
 
Is Neal Morse too AOR/pop? YES.
Definitely it's my biggest problem with his music. I would even call it "b*****dization" of prog : often I listen to wonderfull, proggy instrumental part, but when Neal starts to sing his vocal melody, he jumps from progland to annoying, sweet and simple AOR/pop land. Like mentioned above, some of his Beard songs are exceptions.
 
As for his voice, I have no problem with his singing. He's not great singer as e.g. Greg Lake, but there are much worse singers in prog.


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Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: February 04 2008 at 08:49
 Too preachy I would say instead of too religious.  What is "too religious"? But blatant preaching can get pretty annoying, and Neal Morse is certainly not a master of religious, spiritual poetry.
 His music often gets too poppy/AORic for my liking, but that's not annoying really. I am not a big fan of his voice, but it's overall OK..


Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 04 2008 at 13:03
Originally posted by Norbert Norbert wrote:

 Too preachy I would say instead of too religious.  What is "too religious"? But blatant preaching can get pretty annoying, and Neal Morse is certainly not a master of religious, spiritual poetry.
 
 
Clap That's the point Norbert, I have no problem with spirituality, I'm not a Yes fan, but I see Tales as a positive spiritual exercise, was listening Love Devotion & Surrender by Mc Laughlin and Carlos Santana, it was equally positive, because they are worrying about spiritual life, even George Harrison made interesting lyrics in his quest for enlightenment, they are giving a message of tolerance

 

They were not saying "Hey I'm revealing the truth that God told me, this is the only way, or you follow it or you are doom, the rest is false". There's a difference in saying "God is love" than in saying "MY God is love and the others are false"

 

On the other hand Neal is using his music to evangelize and using subliminal messages in music to convince people, IMHO he has turned his music into an instrument of propaganda, not different from a jingle or political advertising.

 
Iván

 

 


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Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: February 04 2008 at 13:17
I find his music enjoyable to listen to. That is all that matters.

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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 04 2008 at 13:47
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Norbert Norbert wrote:

 Too preachy I would say instead of too religious.  What is "too religious"? But blatant preaching can get pretty annoying, and Neal Morse is certainly not a master of religious, spiritual poetry.
 
 
Clap That's the point Norbert, I have no problem with spirituality, I'm not a Yes fan, but I see Tales as a positive spiritual exercise, was listening Love Devotion & Surrender by Mc Laughlin and Carlos Santana, it was equally positive, because they are worrying about spiritual life, even George Harrison made interesting lyrics in his quest for enlightenment, they are giving a message of tolerance

 

They were not saying "Hey I'm revealing the truth that God told me, this is the only way, or you follow it or you are doom, the rest is false". There's a difference in saying "God is love" than in saying "MY God is love and the others are false"

 

On the other hand Neal is using his music to evangelize and using subliminal messages in music to convince people, IMHO he has turned his music into an instrument of propaganda, not different from a jingle or political advertising.

 
Iván

 

 


Strange then that he has a Jewish drummer ... Tongue


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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 04 2008 at 14:17
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:



Strange then that he has a Jewish drummer ... Tongue
 
Well, I seen Lior Seker from Eggroll Israel singing:
 
There's an angel standing in the sun, and he's crying with a loud voice,
"This is the supper of the mighty One",
The Lord of Lords,
King of Kings,
Has returned to lead His children home,
To take them to the new Jerusalem
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What means nothing.
 
Iván


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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 04 2008 at 14:28
BTW:
 
According to a post made by Jordan Rudess on his forum, Mike is Jewish but does not practice Judaism as a religion
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Portnoy - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Portnoy
 
Iván


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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 04 2008 at 14:29
^ I know ... that's why I used the Tongue emoticon.Wink

It sure comes in handy to be an agnostic in these religious discussions.LOL


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Posted By: SoundsofSeasons
Date Posted: February 04 2008 at 22:49
 
<----  Wink
 
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by heyitsthatguy heyitsthatguy wrote:



doesn't really seem like he harbors any feelings against the current church

I'll admit that some of the lyrics are a bit blunt but I don't think the purpose of this album was to go out of his way to bash Catholicism
 
Are you sure? Have you read any of his interviews?
 
Quote Sola Scriptura an attack on the Catholic Church?

Morse: It takes place in Luther's time, but I go beyond that all the way to the book of Revelation. I think it's important to understand that throughout history, the church fell away from Jesus and his teachings. It fell away from "Love your enemies," for example. That's what I'm trying to paint through Martin Luther and the Catholic Church. That is the first step to understanding Sola Scriptura.

The second step would be to ask, "If the church fell away and got poisoned and tainted, then what else besides 'The just shall live by faith' got twisted?" What else do we see in the Scriptures that we don't see in the church, or do we see in the church but don't see in the Scriptures? What do we all need to reform?

In "The Conflict," the second track on Sola Scriptura, you have the Catholic Church of that day declaring, "Look, I've got great big armies like a General/I may have a mistress but at least I'm a hetero" Why did you write those lines?

Morse: I read about a pope who wanted to be known as the conquering pope, like a great general, and I thought what a contrast to Christ's life. There was another pope that was homosexual, and another pope had a lot of mistresses. I wrote that line mainly because I was looking for something to rhyme with "general," but I wasn't sure whether I should leave that. I prayed about it, and even up to near the end of the album I wondered if I should change some of the lines because they were pretty hard. But a couple weeks later, a friend who didn't know anything about the album said to me he was reading that Luther was so appalled by the immorality when he went to Rome. One of the priests said to him, "We may have mistresses, but at least we're not homosexuals." But of course, all the sins of the flesh are equal. They're not listed by degrees.

Is the criticism fair that the story of Martin Luther and the Reformation often neglects the shortcomings of the reformers?

Morse: I don't really want to focus so much on Martin Luther and the Catholic Church, but on what is the spirit of the corrupt church and what is the spirit of the true church? My thought is that there is this spirit in the church that wants to kill everything that isn't like it. Even the reformers had it, and the reform churches may still have it.

When do you believe the corruption of the church began?

Morse: It seems to me that there was a steady decline. My goal is to have people step back and take a look at the big picture.  What are the fruits of this declining church?

http://www.christianitytoday.com/music/interviews/2007/nealmorse-0407.html - http://www.christianitytoday.com/music/interviews/2007/nealmorse-0407.html
 
 
It's evident by his words that even when people believe he's talking about Luther's days, he's also talking about actual Catholic Church.
 
Quote Yeah, the main thought behind the album is to open the peoples eyes to the church that Jesus started fell away from righteousness in that thousand year period when the church was in a righteous condition that perhaps some of Jesus' teachings got poisoned and that then we need to, not only did Luther need to, look fresh at the scriptures but maybe we do in our day as well.

I really like to encourage people to read the Bible for themselves and to see where the church may need to be reformed today.
 
http://www.caerllysimusic.co.uk/index1.html?target=d84.html - http://www.caerllysimusic.co.uk/index1.html?target=d84.html  
 
In The Door he attacks clearly our believes:
 
1.- Attacks our believe in the Holy Communion, our most sacred Sacrament:
 
Calls himself the Bishop-Prince and blood's his favorite wine
 
2.-  Attacks our belief in the Saints:
 
We'll take the Roman Gods except the names will all be changed
 
I don't want to turn this into a Theological debate (there are many in this Forum) but if I'm asked a question, I reply.
 
Iván
 
 

 
 
 
 


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Posted By: chocomancer
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 15:15
Annoying!?!?!? Are you kidding? He's awesome!

The lyrics doesn't bother me even a little. even if it was sacreligious, I'd still listen to it relentlessly and sing it high & low! and I think his voice isn't awful, he just makes good use of what type of voice he had, what the Lord gave him. and I think he did a great job! Thumbs%20Up POW!




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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 17:16
I find his voice as cheesy as Nick Barret(no offense Prog-Chick), but it'll grow on me as Nick's did. Though have in mind, I just heard his voice on Transatlantic, so I don't know his playing on Spock's Beard.

My vote is AOR/Pop, which this is the difference between Nick's voice and Neal's. Not necessary a bad thing, but that's the option that fits perfectly with my opinion.


Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 17:18
A combination of the six first options.

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Posted By: alerxst
Date Posted: December 14 2008 at 15:48
Ugh. First off, I like Transatlantic and Spock's Beard when Neal was with them. He was most likely a major reason for me liking SB because I haven't been able to get into any of their post-Snow stuff. I don't like his voice and his keyboards/guitarwork are very boring for me. He's too preachy (religion has nothing to do with it), too cheesy, and seems arrogant. I saw him live at 3RP a few months ago and would have left after his first song were it not for the promise of a Transatlantic mini-reunion. The music was boring and stale.
In short, his personality as perceived by me makes it near impossible for me to like his music. That, coupled with the fact that he is a mediocre (at best) musician makes him annoy me.


Posted By: Dr. Occulator
Date Posted: December 14 2008 at 16:24
I think he means well but yes, he does annoy me...however so do a lot of other people I have to live with on a daily basis so I think I have to say I tolerate him.


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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: December 14 2008 at 17:11
I just generally don't like that type of retro-symphonic bands. I kinda like TFK but not too excited about them either. It's technically amazing music but for me it's just too polished, too impersonal, cheery and unchallenging. I can perfectly see why people like it and I think it's a wonderful area to introduce people to prog.

The religious factor doesn't help at all either, so I voted for that.

And he doesn't annoy me, I just don't care for his musicTongue


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Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: December 15 2008 at 03:58
No.  I really like Transatlantic and all the albums by SB that I have (all from the Neal era).  I don't have any albums by SB post-Neal so can't really compare, but the revies don't sound too good.
 
Not heard any Neal Morse solo stuff.  Is it any good?


Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: December 15 2008 at 04:37
Most of what I have heard of his solo stuff is very good indeed. However, some people show a certain dislike of his explicitly christian lyrics. I don't: I can recommend Sola Scriptura.


Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: December 15 2008 at 06:35
Too cheesy: Yes.

Too derivative: not necessarily.

Too religious: Too preachy, I would say.

Too AOR: Definitely.

His voice is boring: Perhaps.

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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: December 15 2008 at 07:38

OK. I have to admit that he is quite preachy. But if he's going to provide a 1741 Jonathan Edwards sermon with a good and fitting musical background, I'll be very interested...Wink



Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: December 15 2008 at 09:03
Probably veering away from the actual topic a bit, but I've been wondering about his voice:
 
He's done a lorryload of covers and it always surprises me how much he can sound like other singers when doing these, with surprising range and phrasing, really chameleon-like. Listen to his bonus tracks or  the 'Cover to Cover' album as a whole.
 
But when he sings his original stuff, he reverts back to his 'normal' voice, which although being good, is fairly unremarkable. This is weird, he shows he could be doing so much better, why do you think he's holding back so much?


Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 15 2008 at 22:54
All except too religious, and him being awesome.

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Posted By: Luke. J
Date Posted: December 16 2008 at 00:41
I don't have any problems with him stating religion in his works, but the way he does it kept me away from his recent efforts. It just becomes, to say it with the words of this poll, too cheesy for me.


Posted By: progrules
Date Posted: December 16 2008 at 04:25
Good Poll this because this thing is on my mind for quite some time now and here's my chance to say something about it. I think, and I stated this many times, Neal Morse is one of the best composers of the last 20 years or so. He showed this already in Spocks Beard and Transatlantic and now he is certainly also doing this in his solo carreer.
But even though I often say that lyrics don't actually matter to me I find myself getting annoyed by Neal's lyrics and this is strictly for the religious content of them. So I voted: he is too religious.
In the end I'm very ambivalent about his solo carreer. I think he made some excellent albums where the musical compositions are concerned but his lyrics spoil a lot for me. Too bad ....


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Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: December 16 2008 at 04:33
^ Hi Henk, how's things?
 
I agree with you on SB and Transatlantic, I think they're both great (prefer TFK though LOL).  I know nothing of Neal's solo stuff though, so really can't comment. 
 


Posted By: progrules
Date Posted: December 16 2008 at 10:54
Originally posted by Roj M30 Roj M30 wrote:

^ Hi Henk, how's things?
 
I agree with you on SB and Transatlantic, I think they're both great (prefer TFK though LOL).  I know nothing of Neal's solo stuff though, so really can't comment. 
 
 
I'm great, thanks. Saw you did the Stardust we are review (5*, now we're talking !). But let's respect the thread here. This is about Neal Morse here and after all I said I still respect him a lot.


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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: December 16 2008 at 10:57
How could someone be annoying if they are following their heart??


He is AWESOME.


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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 01:22
Yes, he's starting to annoy me for being too religious. I thinks "Sola Scriptura" is a 5 star album and I have "?", whihc is OK, but I don't feel like buying more of his music. I don't need tales about tales....

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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 10:54
He might be a bit cheesy, too religious and whatever... but that doesn´t annoy me... maybe cause I don´t listen to his music jejejeje


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Posted By: Alberto Muńoz
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 20:30
Not Outstanding but Annoy? never...Wink

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Posted By: Silhouette
Date Posted: December 20 2008 at 08:34
Neal Morse annoys the heck out of me sometimes with his over-the-top religious talk.
Still, he's truly a musical genius, and I appreciate him as such. Question mark is one of my top albums.

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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: December 20 2008 at 09:47
Neal Morse is awesome!!!!

The only album where he got really cheesy and it bothered me was ? Live.

Other than that, there's nothing wrong with Neal Morse.

Great songwriter, great underrated voice, and proficient on every instrument.


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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: December 20 2008 at 12:32
Not since I got that restraining order. 

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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: December 20 2008 at 19:26
Originally posted by proglil49 proglil49 wrote:

He's worse than Roger Waters. He's so eccentric and cheesy.


Hey neither of them are that cheesy!!

FYI: Your avatar of Dream Theater: they are friends with Neal Morse.


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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: December 20 2008 at 19:27
Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

How could someone be annoying if they are following their heart??


He is AWESOME.


Damn straight.


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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: December 20 2008 at 23:07
Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

How could someone be annoying if they are following their heart??
It's really not very hard...The most infuriating people are not the ones who are trying.
 
I dislike him for all of the above, except I don't mind his religion. Even though he's a heretic Protestant. ;-)


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Posted By: kjprogger
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 01:05
Neal is nothing but pure genius.  The religious aspect to his music makes me like it even more.  Sola Sciptura is one of the greatest pieces of music ever written. 


Posted By: keiser willhelm
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 15:48
Originally posted by Prog-jester Prog-jester wrote:

derivative and boring, but nothing too horrible. 2.5 stars

the only thing i find annoying about morse is his preachy. im a religious person but his lyrics just push it over the edge for me. its not that i really have to worry about this though, i dont listen to him.


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Posted By: angelmk
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 17:44
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Originally posted by keiser willhelm keiser willhelm wrote:

Originally posted by Prog-jester Prog-jester wrote:

derivative and boring, but nothing too horrible. 2.5 stars

the only thing i find annoying about morse is his preachy. im a religious person but his lyrics just push it over the edge for me. its not that i really have to worry about this though, i dont listen to him.

i usualy don't boder with lyrics, but i'am an atheist and when i heard Testimony i was Angry.  and this god praising realy get me on nerves. not that music is bad, not at all , but man Lyrics was torture for me.


Posted By: TheCaptain
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 18:56
All of the above except the final option and "voice is boring." My biggest problem is that I don't like the guy. He seems fake, pompous and holier-than-thou. I don't like his solo music at all but I don't find all people who produce music I don't like annoying.


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Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: March 04 2009 at 01:44
As I don't listen to lyrics, I don't care about the content. The music is awesome, and I like his voice.


Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: November 06 2010 at 23:06
Ugh, one of the most annoying voices in Prog.  Option #1.


Posted By: Harry Hood
Date Posted: November 06 2010 at 23:17
"Hey ROIN! Hey ROIN! I have this great idea! You know that song you wrote "My Cruel World", well i was thinkin' that's a bit dark. It doesn't sing well either. 'Cruuuel'. So I was thinking of adding a chorus! My new world is spnning me aroooound WOAH! yeah lets do that a few times, and cut out that depressing end part. The ending needs to be epic!"

I like the guy, but I can see how certain people might find him annoying.


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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: November 06 2010 at 23:24
Originally posted by Harry Hood Harry Hood wrote:

"Hey ROIN! Hey ROIN! I have this great idea! You know that song you wrote "My Cruel World", well i was thinkin' that's a bit dark. It doesn't sing well either. 'Cruuuel'. So I was thinking of adding a chorus! My new world is spnning me aroooound WOAH! yeah lets do that a few times, and cut out that depressing end part. The ending needs to be epic!"

"Oh by the way do you remember that song we've been working on, "Dance With The Devil"? It just doesn't seem to sing that well. So I was thinking Duel With The Devil instead. It just sings better, man. Duuuuuueeeel with the devil. Ha, man, it felt so cruel to sing it as Daaance."




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Posted By: 40footwolf
Date Posted: November 07 2010 at 00:46
Cheesy, derivative and grating are all things about him that bother me. His spiritual leanings don't affect me one way or the other.

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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: November 07 2010 at 00:54
Originally posted by 40footwolf 40footwolf wrote:

Cheesy, derivative and grating are all things about him that bother me. His spiritual leanings don't affect me one way or the other.


Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: November 07 2010 at 01:04
For him to annoy me I would have to know him personally....which I don't, so he does not annoy me. I don't think he is awesome, so I picked other as I think he is very good at what he does.

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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: November 07 2010 at 05:03
Neal has simply one of the best voices in modern prog
 
dont knock it  ..............hes awesome!


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Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: November 07 2010 at 06:30
Originally posted by TheCaptain TheCaptain wrote:

All of the above except the final option and "voice is boring." My biggest problem is that I don't like the guy. He seems fake, pompous and holier-than-thou. I don't like his solo music at all but I don't find all people who produce music I don't like annoying.

This about sums it up for me too. When he posted his letter about leaving Spock's Beard on their website, I must admit it seemed a bit disingenuous to me. 



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