Italianprog lovers... I need your help!
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Topic: Italianprog lovers... I need your help!
Posted By: andrea
Subject: Italianprog lovers... I need your help!
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 06:20
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There are many interesting contemporary bands coming out from
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 06:45
As Micky is about to go to work now and can't answer (it's 6.30 on the East Coast now....), I'll try to help you based on what I know about the team's work logic. Bands or artists are added to ISP only if they have a connection - musical or historical - with the original movement of the Seventies. To give an example, Ubi Maior were clearly influenced by it, so they are in ISP, as are Mangala Vallis. However, bands whose sound differs from 'classic' ISP (and in most cases it does) should be suggested to the relevant team, as you have already been doing.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 07:09
Excellent list Andrea. 
/Admin hat off - Crossover hat on
 I agree with Raff, many these modern Italian bands do not fit under ISP banner and should be recommended to the appropriate genre-teams. IMO I'm not sure that they would even fit under RPI as many are more closely affiliated with non-Italian genres and movements than any of the historical RPI bands (however some have quoted RPI in their MySpace influences). For myself I am more than happy to evaluate (and eventually add) any band that fits Crossover, as we are doing with bands like J'Accuse, Albedo and Sirena.
/Crossover hat off - Admin hat on.
wrt to signed vs. unsigned: the boudaries are not as clear as the once were, so with downloads and self-released albums it is not always easy to tell whether a band is signed or not. For saftey I would list all doubtful bands in Unsigned and let Angelo choose to move them if he decides they are 'signed'.
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Posted By: andrea
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 07:09
Well, it's not so simple... Almost every Italian contemporary prog band quote as an influence PFM BMS, Le Orme or Area... But many bands quote also Dream Theater, Tool or Symphony X and sometimes their music is exactly halfway...
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Ghost Rider wrote:Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 07:43
| Andrea, quoting as an influence is one thing, really having been influenced is quite another. A band influenced by DT or Tool will sound rather different from the likes of Ubi Maior... However, the genre teams exist just for the purpose of defining which of those influences is the most relevant. Personally, I think the way you've been going about these suggestions is perfect, and has led to a number of them being added, or at least approved. |
Posted By: andrea
Date Posted: January 22 2008 at 02:53
You can understand Italian, so have a look at this link:
http://www.movimentiprog.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=644&page=1 - http://www.movimentiprog.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=644&page=1
When I say that I'm puzzled when I have to put a label on a band - a band intended as "a living entity", not just as a "commercial product" - it's not because I'm against genre teams "a priori"... Nonetheless this system has some "contra-indications"...
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 22 2008 at 03:51
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Great article, Andrea! It would've been wonderful to be able to take part in that event, though I think it's definitely a very positive thing it was organised. Anyway, I do agree with the problems of definition and classification - I've almost completed my PhD, so this is an aspect of the arts with which I have always been rather concerned. Personally, I believe definitions are inevitable, and in some ways necessary, especially if they are to be used as a guide by people who are not entirely familiar with a genre, a movement, or whatever.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 22 2008 at 21:14
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started going through these bands Andrea... and posting my thoughts in each thread. When these bands are deemed to be official and eligible to be added I asked that you PM me on specific groups I thought were prog that might fall on genre teams that I deal with. Otherwise I gave suggestions to where they might go. edit.. .and good job finding all of these.. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: andrea
Date Posted: January 23 2008 at 02:57
| Probably some of the bands in the list could already be included since they have full length albums available (I put some of these bands in the "signed" section of the forum while others in the "unsigned")... ex. Anacondia, Assenzio, Atto IV, Elettrosmog, Filoritmia, Historia, Il Maniscalco Maldestro, Juglans Regia, La Seconda Eclisse, Oloferne, Persuaria, U.N.O, Venti A Contatto, Verbamanent... Nevertheless most of these bands released only self produced albums (or demos) and they do not have a label to promote them... Other have released at least one album and should be considered for inclusion like Abash, Lingalad or Notturna, but nobody seem to have noticed them so far... |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 12:09
| I know Lingalad (both musically and personally), and as far as I have heard they are not prog. As there are a lot of other bands on this list that are, I think we should concentrate on them. |
Posted By: andrea
Date Posted: January 25 2008 at 14:18
They do not claim to be prog... But they often are labeled as "prog influenced" and they take part in prog festivals... Personally, I like the samples on Myspace and I think that they could be of interest for prog folk fans... Anyway if you know their albums you can post your thoughts in the "Lingalad" thread...
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Posted By: andrea
Date Posted: February 06 2008 at 14:46
| Well, I've just updated the list in the first post of this thread adding other bands... |
Posted By: andrea
Date Posted: February 25 2008 at 16:01
| Another update to the list... |
Posted By: paolo.beenees
Date Posted: February 25 2008 at 16:44
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Last September I've listened to a concert of a band called "Riddle". They're a little King Crimson (Larks era)'s clones, but I found them interesting. ------------- 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 25 2008 at 21:04
bet that was.... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: andrea
Date Posted: February 26 2008 at 13:17
Added to the list... Please, post your comments about the band in the new http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=46583&PID=2780304#2780304 - Riddle thread...
Any other suggestions? Any comments about the band already in the list? Please take the time to listen to them and comment their music: some are definitely very interesting...
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: February 26 2008 at 21:33
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Wow this list is awesome, we are already checking some of those bands!!
Thanks for everything Andrea ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: March 26 2008 at 18:33
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Hi andrea, can you add also Alphaterra to the (huge) list? http://www.myspace.com/alphaterra - http://www.myspace.com/alphaterra
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 26 2008 at 20:31
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we'll take up alphaterra in the next round of evals Andrea.
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Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: March 27 2008 at 06:41
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oooh, thanks, Micky.
Not an RPI band, btw. We will discuss other possible genres. They play a soft progressive-ambient rock ( maybe eclectic...).
http://www.alphaterra.it/ - http://www.alphaterra.it/
http://www.myspace.com/alphaterra - http://www.myspace.com/alphaterra
Don't start with Norwegian Fjords.
They were included in nominations for 2007 prog awards.
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Posted By: andrea
Date Posted: March 27 2008 at 17:55
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 27 2008 at 19:28
 short you say.... try evaling all those groups you DO have on limited time here hahhaha. Andrea... noted on alphaterra... will toss that to eclectic and listen to it as I do. Going back through the groups I have listened to for the groups applicable for our sub. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: March 27 2008 at 19:44
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Hehe, there are about a gazillion more listed in Unsigned Bands. Andrea is keeping us busy there ... Then again, if that allows me to discover yet another Pennelli di Vermeer I'd me more than happy.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 27 2008 at 20:28
that is the joy of it all to find something like that that grabs you ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: March 28 2008 at 12:26
Short you say?
 Well, you're probably right 'cause we could include in the list of the bands to discuss some of the Lizard Records' childs as:
AIRPORTMAN "Rainy days"
 GARAMOND "Quantaltro"
 ZITA ENSEMBLE "Quintet"
 NEMA NIKO "Meccaniche di pensiero"
 THIS HARMONY
"LEILA SAIDA"  ANCIENT OAK CONSORT
"The acoustic resonance of the soul"  PERIZONA EXPERIMENT
"Ora è sempre"  MUZAK
"In case of loss please return to:"  http://www.progawards.it/default.asp?id=83&opr=5&content=91&mnu=77">  PROG AWARDS 2007:http://www.progawards.it/default.asp?id=83&opr=5&content=91&mnu=77 - - LIZARD RECORDS si aggiudica il Premio PROG AWARDS come Best Label 2007 ! >> http://www.progawards.it/default.asp?id=83&opr=5&content=91&mnu=77 - |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 28 2008 at 19:09
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more bands *emoticon for drinking a shot of Jim Beam*... may be time to bring on a 4th 'official' team member What idiots voted for England over Italy in that most vibrant prog scene today thread.. in fact.. who didn't vote for Italy over all the other countries hahhaha.
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: March 30 2008 at 06:35
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I've Garamont CD, been free from Loris Furlan. Good band... But I don't sure that Garamond are RPI... Aaaah..., Loris Furlan also sent me the CD of the drummer of FIABA and his bands ANCIENT OAK CONSORT: "THE ACOUSTIC RESONANCE OF SOUL" (acoustic Folk Power Metal exreme Prog!)  I think that this album is great for Folk Prog, because too distant from the true Prog Metal!------------- 
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: March 30 2008 at 06:44
Aaah... And Loris Furlan sent me also the CD of GAP PARTY "ADDITIVES" (2004), great ambient dark prog with the VDGG's cover of "Afterwards"
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: March 30 2008 at 06:51
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Ahhh... ANCIENT OAK CONSORT and GAP PARTY are LIZARD RECORDS releases.
see more info at:
http://www.lizardrecords.it - www.lizardrecords.it
mailto:[email protected] - [email protected] (e-mail)
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: March 30 2008 at 07:00
ahhh... don't forget  ONIRIC: "SUGGESTIONI"
Great ambient electronic (but with guitar and vocals in evidence) Prog.
Download at:
http://www.oniricband.org/songs.htm - http://www.oniricband.org/songs.htm
where is present the new release: "Boulevard Cinéma"
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: March 30 2008 at 07:12
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Another good band for Italian Prog lovers are:
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43745 - Beât Lès: Beatles in Friulano language By http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=15823 - Lady In Black , November 23 2007 at 10:25 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45330 - Vurtula: Italian Prog Metal!!!
By http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=7121 - Mandrakeroot , January 14 2008 at 11:23 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=46048 - Il Tempio Delle Clessidre By http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=7121 - Mandrakeroot , February 08 2008 at 12:31 -------------
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: March 31 2008 at 04:24
In my opinion this is a great VDGG's with Mogwai style band! -------------
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Posted By: lineateorica
Date Posted: May 12 2008 at 19:09
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thanks for having included us in the list, Andrea
I can suggest to classifiy us as Prog Folk, I think but I'm not sure
and Thrangh in Experimental/Post Metal, Eclectic Prog or Jazz/Rock/Fusion
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