100 greatest guitarists- Rolling stone
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Topic: 100 greatest guitarists- Rolling stone
Posted By: pero
Subject: 100 greatest guitarists- Rolling stone
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 07:04
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http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5937559/the_100_greatest_guitarists_of_all_time/ - http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5937559/the_100_greatest_guitarists_of_all_time/
What do you say about this Rolling stone list?
Not too much Prog guitarists at all. (Hackett f.e.)
As a fact only prog guitarists on the list are:
42. Fripp
45. Zappa
49. Mclaughlin
69. Steve Howe
82. Gilmour
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Posted By: jikai55
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 07:17
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The fact that they out Jack WHite above all these guys says a lot about Rolling Stone. ------------- 
I like cheese and I like metal! --Mikael Åkerfeldt |
Posted By: proggy
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 07:25
| Consider the Source........... |
Posted By: sircosick
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 07:31
Joe Perry is above McLaughlin  (not to mention dudes like Johnny Ramone or Kurt Cobain....)
------------- The best you can is good enough... |
Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 07:39
No Davy Graham or Sandy Bull !!!  ------------- 
Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb. |
Posted By: Darklord55
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 07:52
| What a joke. As Bugs Bunny would say what a bunch or maroooooons! |
Posted By: Darklord55
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 07:58
Forgot to say, if anyone is interested in lists go to http://digitaldreamdoor.com/ - http://digitaldreamdoor.com/ On the home page click music lists. I think about every instrument and genre is coverd. Including prog. It's fun to read all the lists but a tad bit time consuming.
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Darklord55 wrote:Posted By: cuoredifalena
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 07:59
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12 Kurt Cobain of Nirvana ???
with all the respect i have for the guy...how can he possibly be before those mentioned before..??? Zappa ? Gilmour. ?
based on what criteria did they make this list ?
i think we are on "You have been framed"
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 08:08
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What really amazes me is that you still take that mag seriously... There was another, identical thread last year, and the reactions were exactly the same. Well, I can understand their first nine choices, at least as regards their historical value, but the rest of their choices are by and large absolutely laughable. It really escapes me how Page can be # 9 and Blackmore only #55.. And the less said about Cobain and Jack White the better!
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 08:16
#12 KURT COBAIN???!!!!!!!! Yeah, no need to read any further!!!! E ------------- 
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Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 08:19
Because he was much much much better than Tony Iommi and Ritche Blackmore.
 I agree with you. What a "strange" list that is.
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Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 08:33
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I've seen this list, quite an old one.
Cobain as No. 12- the list is not worth discussion. Neither is the whole magazine really.
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Posted By: MonkeyphoneAlex
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 08:37
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They should chang ethis list to "100 Most Popular guitarists of all time". ------------- "Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is THE BEST." -FZ |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 08:38
Rolling Stone is just this castrated rag that used to be on the cutting edge, but now just knuckles under and goes with the status quo. Having Cobain up there is the 'popular' thing to do. Maybe non-prog, but I feel one of the best guitarists is ex-Eagle Don Felder. A true technician who put so much emotion into every solo. He could blow the pick-ups off a lot of the guitarists on that list. E -------------
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Posted By: T.Rox
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 08:59
Roy Buchanan is on the list so it can't be all bad! 
It would have been nice to see Rory Gallagher on the list, as well as the under-rated Mick Box from Uriah Heep
 ...and there will be a plethora of other guitarists that others will think are far worthier, too!
------------- "Without prog, life would be a mistake." ...with apologies to Friedrich Nietzsche |
Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 09:15
| At least they mentioned Zoot Horn Rollo. |
Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 09:18
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Better equals records sold times music journalist cool factor times haircut. ------------- "The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time." |
Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 09:19
| What do you expect? |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 09:38
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What a joke!!!!! It is a good thing that I don't give Rolling Stone any creditibility. Admittedly, I don't know anything from The Stooges, but aren't they a punk band, which in and of itself means that the instrument playing is rudimentary at best. ------------- 
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Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 10:00
Don't knock the punk rock! ------------- "The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time." |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 10:04
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^ I know, I know. That is another thread discussion, which I avoided because of my complete lack of knowledge of punk. And I am not knocking punk per se, I am just commenting on the premise that punk was based upon more simplistic playing in comparison to the "pretentious" playing of the 70's prog bands. -------------
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Posted By: jimidom
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 10:21
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This joke of a list is old; it dates back to 2003. I remember when it came out and thinking WTF, especially with regard to Jack White and Kurt Cobain's placement as well as the omission of guys like Allan Holdsworth and a whole slew of Steely Dan session masters like Elliott Randall, Denny Dias, Dean Parks, and Jay Graydon. However, I was pleased to see them give some love to Richard Thompson and Zoot Horn Rollo. You should keep in mind that Rolling Stone hasn't been a truly credible or viable entity in its coverage of contemporary music in decades. Therefore a list like this is nothing more than what it really is, a complete and utter joke. Now I hear that they want to induct acts like Madonna and the Beastie Boys into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame while passing over worthy acts like the Stooges, the Ventures, and Todd Rundgren. ------------- "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." - HST |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 10:24
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^ Not to mention all of the great prog bands that we love on this site who aren't even nominated for the Rock and Roll Hall of Shame. -------------
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Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 10:32
| As Ian Anderson put it, all of three decades ago: "I have no time for Time Magazine or Rolling Stone". |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 12:31
Have you ever been hit in the head by a rolling stone? 
------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: White Shadow
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 20:49
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whatever, the list isn't really based on skill, but on popularity. And it would be even harder to make one on talent because it would be even more argued among people for it is hard to make a list like that without any biases. ------------- [signature] |
Posted By: P.H.P.
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 21:02
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Do you still believe Rolling Stones mag? |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 21:32
Please, it's a simple logical deductuion:
What option does a commercial magazine will choose? Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 08:04
As many here are members of a musical sub-sect - prog - we're surely going to notice certain players whose work we adore. These lists usually include the criteria of influence and or impact. So Jack White & Cobain do have their place. Not having seen the list, I'm assuming that a certain John, Paul & George are also found in tis' contents. None of these 3 were ever among the virtuosos of the instrument, but they certainly caused more than a few young music fans to pick up a guitar. And by trying to copy your idol, you also immerse yourself, in a way, in their idols & influences. And while technical abilities are very nice to have, some "great" guitarists only shone on other people's work. A great solo is not within reach of most of us, but there are a lot of unrecorded guitar players out there who can & could outplay even some of our cherished pickers. As for RS, well they stopped being relevant years ago. The R n R hall of fame is rapidly becoming a joke. They have Miles Davis in there. Great iconic musician, but he is jazz, not rock n roll. I can see Madonna & the Beastie Boys in there. But there are a ton of other acts that have been around longer & will undeservedly be excluded because they are just not "intellectually cool". Kiss, Genesis, the guy who wrote "Train kept a' Rolling", and a whole slew of 50s, 60s, & 70s acts that rock n roll fans (and I do include proggers in there) actually still remember, love & listen to. But the selection committee is headed by RS' chief. And as RS has been for the longest time, he is simply an elitist, New York centered head up his butt hole sno(t)b. Unfortunately it is not fan based or in any way remotely reflective of people's idea of what was & is great in Rock music. P.S. Maybe we start a thread on bands listed on PA who would deserve inclusion. Of course, the sad part is that some obscure acts will get more than their fair share of mentions because the smaller the fanbase, the more rabid the adulation. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 12:33
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As good as any list offered by NME in the last 30 years , i.e. no bloody use at all. You have wonder how say, the Kinks' Dave Davis is found space, (as said above), at the cost of omission of innovators such as Allan Holdsworth or Gary Lucas (both commonly rated in top 10s, 20s, etc. in many more serious guitar polls). As I've written before when the RS comes up with a new All Time 100 Album Poll every five years, with a significant number of changes each time, they loss any sense of creditability. However, one thing in favour of RS is that they have stuck to Richard Thompson (rightly IMHO) through several of their polls ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 12:40
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Anybody noticed the following invitation at the bottom of that page:
javascript:O_LC%28%29">  Tell us what you think of Rollingstone.com! ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 21:55
Ahhh, Jay Gradon. Probably pulled off one of the classic solos on Steely Dan's "Peg". Heck of a producer, too. Produced the classic Al Jarreau albums Breakin' Away and Jarreau. E -------------
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Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 22:03
| This list belongs in the "Bad Jokes" thread. |
Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 22:06
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Kurt cobain in number twelve?
I just puked.
I pretty much dont agree with any of the ones in the top fifteen, except SRV! ------------- 
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Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 11:41
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"pretty much", eh schizoid? hey, there's a picture of me in the add banner at the bottom of the page right now! |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 12:53
Just remember that often a qualifier is the influence that they've had. Cobain will never match such overly successful (I can understand why) guitar guys like the beloved A Holdsworth. But let's face it, Kurt got more kids into playing a musical instrument that Good 'ol Al ever did. And some of both camps grow up to be great musicians. For another example, please read my previous post re : a certain John, Paul & George. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 16:44
Everyone knows that Kurt Cobain was a better guitar player than Jan Akkerman, sure 
I guess Ivan is right. Let's say that it looks more like some sort of popularity / commercial index. Stock market, as Bill Bruford would say.
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Posted By: Berenger
Date Posted: October 06 2007 at 11:14
Not true actually, they have Tool's Adam Jones at #75 and Deep Purple's Ritchie Blackmore... but yes the list is obviously an abomination. |
Posted By: sircosick
Date Posted: October 06 2007 at 12:37
 ------------- The best you can is good enough... |
Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: October 06 2007 at 21:12
Or inspire kids to shoot themselves
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Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 03:03
Thats not knocking it thats what punk was all about, remeber what Frank Zappa said about punk in Tinseltown Rebellion "...The band had to be more punk, so forget your chops and play real dumb or else you'll be sunk." |
Posted By: therevelator
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 20:18
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well its Rolling Stone magazine.... they've condemned some of the greatest bands of all time to bad reviews
this is a really bad list to say the least, i think the greatest guitarists ever can't be put on a list, it really depends on WHAT you're looking for, and most people are looking for completely different things. This list is just some highly paid, stuck up music "professional's" opinion.... ------------- "it's full of stars...." |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 20:42
Er, please replace the "shoot themselves" comment with a different kind of shooting that, say, certain jazz idols like Miles Davis, Charlie Parker, John Coltrane did for a good part of their career. Then dismiss their music because of their defects. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 20:45
Fortunately, as we now know, Zappa was often wrong on many a musical topic. And of course, as with many of his witticisms, they were flung without consideration of their overgeneralization. Wouldn't it be fun for traditional Jazzbos to give Frankie's jazz incursions a review ? ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 20:46
I wonder if I could use that last line when arguing with some of the elitists that populate these pages ... ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: therevelator
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 21:38
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well i mean.... i think its a crappy list... some people don't and i hope someday to make money for making lists such as the one up for discussion
we all have our own little twists and turns when it comes to music (any many other things).
so more power to the author.... but for shame (((( )))) for making such an obnoxiously poor list on such an obnoxiously (assumedly) high pay roll!!------------- "it's full of stars...." |