Do you think prog shows are too loud (in average)
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Topic: Do you think prog shows are too loud (in average)
Posted By: Zitro
Subject: Do you think prog shows are too loud (in average)
Date Posted: September 29 2007 at 17:09
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in average, do you think progressive rock/metal concerts are too loud for your enjoyment? just right? not loud enough? vote  |
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Posted By: darkmatter
Date Posted: September 29 2007 at 17:25
| Uhh I've only been to two shows (both Porcupine Tree) and the second was pretty loud, and it affected the sound of the music. I couldn't always determine what was being played, especially on two of the three encore songs (Halo and Mother and Child Divided, especially this one). But I won't vote because I need to go to more concerts.... |
Posted By: proghairfunk
Date Posted: September 29 2007 at 18:46
| They're loud, which is good, but dynamics are pulled off very well. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: September 29 2007 at 19:10
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Guys, they are all too loud, seriously. All rock concerts. Don't get me wrong, I love them too and its great fun to get blasted. I've seen hundreds of concerts. But please wear hearing protection especially if you're in a band too and practice loud. There is NOTHING cool about hearing loss. I have some loss and it sucks. What you do in your teens and 20s may decrease how much you can enjoy music later in life. Have fun, but protect your hearing. I sound like a father hen. I don't care. Hearing loss blows.
------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: September 29 2007 at 19:21
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I've been to several concerts and they are a little bit too loud in average, but not in the painful way luckily. I always bring ear protection with me though, just in case. ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: September 29 2007 at 19:35
| "Rock" concerts are always way too loud, bad sounding, and most people seem to stand it. I don't know how they do. |
Posted By: MajesterX
Date Posted: September 29 2007 at 20:14
I agree completely. I wish it was easier to even the sound out by putting speakers around the audience but there is delay and other factors involved, making it extremely difficult to. Personally I don't like that rumbling of the diaphragm due to the music, It makes me want to leave most of the time. I always wear ear protection, but often times the sound waves just don't make me feel good when played that loud. I had the unfortunate first rock concert experience of seeing Dream Theater in which half of the first set I did not have earplugs. The sound was distorting in my ears, it was terrible. I can't imagine people that don't wear hearing protection. When I saw Rush this summer my ears rung for a few hours after the concert with hearing protection. I think the best story was when I heard my friend say that he was at a drum clinic and the band handed out earplugs. What I don't get is while that is a great idea, why don't they just turn it down? ------------- 
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Finnforest wrote:Posted By: Zitro
Date Posted: September 29 2007 at 21:29
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While my Yes and Tool shows were not that annoyingly loud, the Florida '06 Flower King show (and that mediocre opening band that played for like 80 minutes) played WAY TOO LOUD, even on songs like End on a High Note, What if God is alone, etc. I'm getting hearing protection next time. |
Posted By: FruMp
Date Posted: September 29 2007 at 23:49
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I don't think I've ever seen a full blown prog band =/
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Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: September 29 2007 at 23:53
BECAUSE DRUMS ARE F**KING LOUD AND DON'T HAVE KNOBS ON THEM. -------------   |
Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: September 30 2007 at 00:20
| My drums have nobs....but not the kind for volume, but for tightening loosening stuff, but back to the initial topic I have to say that most concerts are DAT IZ BECAUSE PETRUCHI IS GAWD AMIRITE |
Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: September 30 2007 at 00:25
But Bill Bruford doesn't allow n00bs near his kit; that's why he left Yes. ------------- |
Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: September 30 2007 at 00:26
No he left Yes because he decided to become a musician |
Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: September 30 2007 at 00:35
| Just a little too loud for my ears. |
Posted By: Hatters
Date Posted: September 30 2007 at 05:33
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They are definitely too loud. I went to see Pelican and the support band were "These Arms Are Snakes" and they had the volume much too loud which meant that Pelican felt they had to have it that loud. My ears literally rang for 3 whole days. Russian Circles however had the volume just about right. I'm going to see Mono soon and they are supposed to play stupidly loud so I might take earplugs. -------------  http://www.last.fm/user/SHatters/?chartstyle=basic10"> 
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: September 30 2007 at 08:40
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The few concerts I've been to, no problem, just right.
------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: September 30 2007 at 08:49
What did you say? 
------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: September 30 2007 at 08:54
| I've been to some loud gigs in my time (e.g. Ted Nugent) but the prog gigs I've been to recently have been perfect. Actually, at the Anderson and Wakeman gig I went to, I was distracted by someone talking behind me and the guy next to me fell asleep! |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: September 30 2007 at 09:00
Don't get me started on Chastain Park in Atlanta. It's an outdoor venue and rich people from the neighborhood get special tables up front and come to talk rather than listen to the band. Annoying twits. Pissed off more than a few performers as well as the audience that came to hear the music. I haven't attended any shows there for years because of that. The jerks really should be moved to the back where they belong. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 30 2007 at 09:01
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Dream Theater was way too loud. Prior to the show I bought some Etomytic ear plugs and it makes a huge difference. Wore them to Rush, too. I didn't have that ringing in my ears at all in the days following the show. I remember KISS' slogan back in the early 80's: If it's too loud, you're too old. May be true; but I would rather hear the sound of my daughter's laughter any day of the week. E ------------- 
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Posted By: convocation
Date Posted: September 30 2007 at 09:40
I'm sure you meant "On average,....."; if not you could consult a phrase book. In any case, you bring up a good point and some replies have already pointed out that wearing ear protection is important. My physician friends have shown me actual pictures of ear middle and inner ear damage from live patients and cadavers. Not only is it not pretty, much of the damage is permanent. Technology is not going to come up with a fix for every mistake we make, in time for you to benefit from it.<p> FYI&those who are interested in understanding: your ear drum transmits air pressure oscillations to tiny bones in the middle ear and finally to the inner ear, the cochlea. Tiny hairs in the cochlea pick up the pressure waves excited in the liquid-filled cochlea and transmit signals to the auditory nerve. Damage any of these from over-stressing them and you will know it.<p > Yes it's a real thrill to crank up the volume, it gets you pumped; feeling the lows - especially - vibrate through your body is exciting. However, as you get older, it's even a natural process (if you never push your hearing to the limit) that your perception of the upped range of frequencies WILL diminish, and the lower ranges do not improve to compensate, somehow. So you're stuck with hearing loss as part of being human. Don't rush it, wear foam ear plug protection at events and places where it's gonna be loud.<p> It's interesting to note a personal experience, I saw Yes four times when they first started to play "in the round" and they seemed noticeably quieter compared to the typical "wall of sound" so many bands design their speaker arrangements to be. Ironically, it was the hysterical audience that was the real volume problem at those Yes shows, and they ranted through entire performances. <p> So protect your ears, and play it cool at any rock concert so we can ALL enjoy it. |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: September 30 2007 at 13:16
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I remember going to a metal concert receantly and being the only one complaining about the sound being too loud. With prog concerts this has not happend, when I went to see Nexus, Pez, Trey Gunn, Jethro Tull amongs others, the sound was always right. There is this myth that the louder you go the better the show is, which cant be further away from the truth, theres nothing good with having everything so loud you dont understand what the f**k is going on, I hate that saturation. Plus, not every band needs to be loud. Why would I want to have Porcupine Tree blasting like theres no tomorrow? (not saying they do that, its just an example). I think I will get me some hearing protection for the next concerts, as said before, theres nothing cool about losing your hearing, and after having studies the inner ear... I tell you, that stuff is more delicate than english gay people having their 5 o clock tea party. ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: September 30 2007 at 13:26
| On average no the sound levels are just about right. That said, one of the loudest concerts I ever attended was Focus in New York City (and it was an out door concert). |
Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: September 30 2007 at 13:50
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Prog bands usually get the volume about right for me so I've no complaints there.
I've been to quite a few metal shows though where the volume has been a bit over the top.
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: September 30 2007 at 16:03
you know, most concerts mike the drums ------------- 
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Posted By: asimplemistake
Date Posted: September 30 2007 at 16:07
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I wear my ear plugs and its just about right, but I would prefer it a little bit quieter. Theres no need for all the volume. |
Posted By: magnus
Date Posted: September 30 2007 at 16:15
you know, they were talking about a drum clinic ------------- The scattered jigsaw of my redemption laid out before my eyes Each piece as amorphous as the other - Each piece in its lack of shape a lie 
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: September 30 2007 at 21:38
well I thought MajesterX was referencing concerts with the second half of the bolded sentence damn confusing quote bubbles -------------
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Posted By: Barla
Date Posted: October 01 2007 at 00:17
The few concerts I've been were loud for me, but not painfully or loud enough to don't understand what is being played. Also, when you go to a metal or hard rock concert it has to be loud! It's a rule. I wouldn't imagine an over-distorted thrashy guitar played quietly. It gives more intensity to the music. 
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Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: October 01 2007 at 09:07
| Most of th e not that many prog concerts in my life were OK, so not too loud. |
Posted By: zbida
Date Posted: October 01 2007 at 09:15
| The main problem is with the bass. My voice strings often can't stand too strong bass vibration and this sometimes even makes me cough. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 01 2007 at 15:46
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The prog gigs Ive been to have mostly been good. IQ, Pendragon and Spocks Beard all had excellent sound; not too loud. Same goes for Pink Floyd, and It Bites had the best sound I've ever heard at a gig.
The worst I've heard is probably Rush and Hawkwind, both far far too loud. I've seen Rush three times now, and they were deafening, altough I dont think those awful cavernous venues help. All they need to do is turn it down. I've often thought it's because their sound crew have been deafened and cant hear the high frequencies, and turn it up to compensate for their own impaired hearing. |
Posted By: Teh_Slippermenz
Date Posted: October 02 2007 at 02:29
I can't vote, as I've only been to one prog-related concert, which would be a Genesis one.  They were just right though. But still, I can't vote until I see Yes, King Crimson, and a REUNION OF GABRIEL-ERA GENESIS. |