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Topic: Other websites ripping off your stuff
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Subject: Other websites ripping off your stuff
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 16:54
I don`t know if this has happened to anyone else here and I`ve brought it up in various PMs. Some of my reviews and the original Guru Guru bio I wrote for progarchives have been stolen by various sites.( I`ve since written a new one). Even parts of some of my reviews have been used in other bios on other sites. Sometimes reworded ,sometimes literally copied out. On a few ocassions this site and my handle for this site ( VB ) have been credited but still??????? Anyone want to comment? I`ve wrote a few pissed off emails to some of these sites but have never recieved any response or had them removed.

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Posted By: andu
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 17:00
You should ask the admin team to help you; I remember a case when Fitzcaraldo was shamelessly ripped of several reviews by a user from another site, and Tony R officially asked that site to take action. The results were good, but for that to happen again those sites need to be bona-fide parts. 

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Posted By: Wilcey
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 17:04
I found a review I wrote on PA copied word by word (inc my username) on a torrent site......my words being used to ILLEGALLY promote theft from my partner.

THAT STINKS and it still rankles with me......badly. I felt in someway complicit, awful feeling.

Neither the torrent or the review have been removed....although it's in the hands of 'higher powers'........

I understand what you feel, but as long as it's not used in anyway detrimental be flattered, it means they couldn't write anything as well as you have done!

P-C


Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 17:05
It's a tricky one Vibe.
 
Our legal notice says "Please note that all the intellectual work you supply (reviews, articles, forum posts etc.) to the ProgArchives is also your property and you will be considered responsible for the contents". I think that proabbly means it is up to individuals to take it up with the website using it, if they wish to do so. 


Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 17:14
VB, as Bob says all your posts here (reviews, comments) are your intellectual property, and if you were really willing, you could get a lawyer to at least send the web sites a takedown/cease & desist type letter.  If they ignore you would probably have to sue for copyright infringement.  Is it worth your time and expense to pursue this course of action?  You'll have to decide.  Short of that, I don't anything can force these sites to remove the content.

Sorry VB, plagiarism is a crappy thing to have happen to you (it has happened to me in my professional career Ouch)


Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 17:16
I've seen a pair of my reviews appear on someone's blog but quite honestly, he's welcome to 'em ;P I'll only bother to contact people over this sort of thing if the site admins demand it


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Posted By: andu
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 17:18
Here's what I was talking about:  http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32606&KW=reviews - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32606&KW=reviews

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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 17:21
Originally posted by laplace laplace wrote:

I've seen a pair of my reviews appear on someone's blog but quite honestly, he's welcome to 'em ;P I'll only bother to contact people over this sort of thing if the site admins demand it
 
The same thing has happened to me. As long as I'm credited (preferably with a link back to PA) I don't mind, and on the one occasion that I know of where I wasn't credited I contacted the blog owner and he sorted it out almost immediately.


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Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom




Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: August 31 2007 at 20:32
Is there a way Max and ProgLucky can disable copy/paste on reviews?? or even store them in a different format like flash or PDF kind of thing??

just wondering.


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Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: August 31 2007 at 20:54
I Google'd my name once and found some reviews copied on other sites. Didn't really bother me except one which was on a download site. Sent the guy an email but never heard back. As far as I know it's still there.

Saw a Proto-Kaw review of mine in Japanese once - that was cool. Probably looked like a reverse-Mandrakeroot from a couple years ago.

(no offense Mandy!).



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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: September 01 2007 at 00:24
My advice is that if you contact the offender as the author of the bio, chances are it will be removed pretty quickly.

The only ones I've seen of mine are being used by the bands to promote their albums. I kind of like that.

(Edit) O.K., on closer inspection it looks like It has happened to me too. Mostly with my biographies. The funniest one is on Timo Laine's website. He used my bio for Symhonic Slam. I can tell you with all honesty, I am not the leading authority on this band.



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Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: September 01 2007 at 06:15
I noticed that a lot of commercial sites that are selling progrock album's/DVD's are using my reviews that I wrote for Prog Archives/Progwalhalla, even translated into Italian and Spanish. It's up to mailto:M@X - M@X to do something about it, I don't mind.


Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: September 01 2007 at 08:30
It also happened for me, notably on myspace music & a few  blogs...in most of cases my name is mentionned.

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Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: September 01 2007 at 08:42
Originally posted by ClemofNazareth ClemofNazareth wrote:

I Google'd my name once and found some reviews copied on other sites.

Yeah, I can't exactly google my name and expect a bunch of prog reviews....LOL


Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 01 2007 at 09:04
I found at least 10 of my reviews being used, and even translated to japanese, Portuguese and other languages.
 
Some official band sites used some also.
 
But as long as they mention my name and credit Prog Archives I have no problem.
 
Iván


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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: September 01 2007 at 09:07
Someone copied my En=Trance review once.

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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: September 04 2007 at 13:47
Be careful these are desperate people we are dealing with. They must be, they've even used my reviews...LOL


Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: September 04 2007 at 22:02
ConfusedHmmmm... I Googled my name, and got this old review by our Maani (Ian Alterman), where he happened to mention my name. It's listed on Amazon.UK, but the problem is, it's credited to one Jonathan cadby (obviously a CAD!)Angry
 
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Excellent, 19 Aug 2005
Uh oh! This is the second time that Peter Rideout and I agree completely! The concept of this album is as timely now - if not moreso - than it was in 1977. The separation of society into "Pigs" (corporate fat-cats and politicians who "control" everything), "Dogs" (money-obsessed financial types and mid-level managers who do the Pigs' biddings), and "Sheep" (the populace (blue-collar, white-collar, labor) that simply "goes along" with all of it, rarely showing the courage to attempt to change the system) is almost beyond brilliant. And the lyrics reflect that brilliance. But, as Peter notes, it is the music that gives this album its "edge." Gilmour's best work (with the possible exception of The Wall), and Wright's and Mason's best work, all ably "orchestrated" by Waters into a flawless whole. Noe of the most "beautiful" works in prog-rock



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Essential, 19 Aug 2005
How do you follow-up a global masterpiece like Dark Side? You change the rules. If Dark Side is about the uncatharted madness caused as a result of living in an insane world, Wish You Were Here is about the added madness that ensues as a result of having the world embrace that uncatharted madness on such an absurd scale. If WYWH is a "tribute to Syd Barrett," it is so because Barrett saw that insanity first. But WYWH is also a scathing remonstration of the music industry - a deliberate, mocking attempt to "bite the hand that feeds." And the album succeeds on both levels, as well as, most importantly, on the compositional and musical levels. Not only did Shine On and Wish You Were Here become anthems on a global scale, but the sales of Ovation guitars went through the roof when everyone old enough to play a guitar began playing these songs at every acid-laced party in the world. Floyd was not interested in "topping" themselves after Dark Side; they were simply interested in expressing new thoughts and feelings - and in that they succeeded brilliantly.



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Essential, 19 Aug 2005
What exactly led to the almost unspeakable success of this album? There is probably no definite answer, but rather an indeterminate zeitgeist at the time of its release. The Apollo moon missions had just ended in 1972, Nixon had just been re-elected, the anti-war movement was at its peak, the "acid" culture was still thriving, and America was in the throes of a post-60s re-self-assessment and as "polarized" as it had been in quite some time. Most importantly, as was true immediately after the assassination of JFK - when the youth of America was looking for something "upbeat" to "fill the hole," and The Beatles materialized almost magically to fill that void - the youth of America in 1972 was looking for something to latch onto. Dark Side became that "thing," for reasons which may never be understood. Yet even bearing the burden of so powerful a "symbol," Dark Side stands on its own as a musical and production achievement with few equals, either then or since. For prog-rock to become not only cross-musical but cross-cultural was something none of us who were around at the time could ever have conceived of. Yet happen it did. Was it just the "commercial" quality of some of the "songs?" Personally, I doubt it. There was an "experience" in listening to Dark Side in toto that could not be gleaned, even minimally, from hearing "Money" or "Us and Them" on AOR radio. What made it so "special" was that it was a "shared" experience - like the first time we listened to Sgt. Pepper, Electric Ladyland or other "shared" musical experiences in the 60s and early 70s. Ultimately, Dark Side has both a "metaphysical" quality to it - vis-a-vis its place in time - and a broad-based compositional-musical quality that all but defined much of the music of its time. And although one can quibble over its internal flaws (assuming it has any, which I do not believe), or its place in Floyd's oeuvre - especially its alleged "commercial" qualities - it is the very impossibility of pinning down its brilliance that makes it a "masterpiece," and, along with Pepper and Court, one of the three absolutely quintessential albums of the genre.



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Excellent addition, 19 Aug 2005
With the possible exception of Court of the Crimson King, the best debut album by any group in ANY genre. Maybe it was the acid, maybe its was the genius of Syd Barrett (and/or Roger Waters), maybe it was London in 1967. Whatever. Although comparatively "immature" next to their later work, Piper stands as a towering achievement in prog-rock, and remains among a handful of standard-bearers in the genre.



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Must-have, 19 Aug 2005
The best of the Fish-era Marillion albums, Childhood has an "edge" that was lacking on Script and Fugazi. From the sweetness of "Kayleigh" to the edgy jokiness of "Lavender," from the solid-rock brilliance of "Heart of Lothian" (one of the best rockers in prog-rock) to the cathartic "Childhood's End," Fish & Co. are at their combined musical peak here. A must-have for prog-rock fans.



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Must-have, 19 Aug 2005
On "Six Wives" (1973), Wakeman experimented with his plethora of keyboards, playing around with different sounds and textures, and creating fabulous compositions using those sounds and textures. On "Journey to the Centre of the Earth" (1974), he made his first attempt to meld rock, orchestra and chorus in a storytelling genre, and was generally successful, though the effort was ultimately "immature." With "Myths and Legends," Wakeman hits the perfect blending of rock, orchestra and chorus, creating an amazing album that will send chills up your spine.

The album opens with a deep voice speaking the famous inscription on the stone that held the legendary sword, Excalibur: "Whosoever pulleth this sword from this stone and anvil is the trueborn king of all Britain." It then launches into the main theme - a majestic and perfect medieval motif - which segues directly into the first song, "Arthur," which tells of the quest to find a new king. Following this is "Lady of the Lake," the first of three short acappella vocal vingnettes, full of beautiful medieval harmonies. This brings us to "Guinevere," which tells of Arthur's wife's precarious situation - being loved by, and in love with, both Arthur and Lancelot. It also contains the first of many excellent Wakeman solos, during a beautiful, mellow jam. We then come to the centerpiece of the album, "Sir Lancelot and the Black Knight," which may not only be the most perfect single blending of rock, orchestra and chorus ever written, but among the best, most exciting prog-rock compositions ever written. Opening with a "restatement" of the main theme, it launches quickly into successive single measures of 7/8, 8/8, 9/8 and 10/8, settling into 7/8. After a couple of verses, it moves into an extended jam which contains some of Wakeman's most spine-tingling solos. I could listen to this single piece over and over and never tire of it. We then have the second of the brief acappella vocal vignettes, introducing us to the next composition, "Merlin the Magician," a multi-section instrumental. The second section, a 5/4 jam, contains more of Wakeman's most compelling solo work. The third section is repeated twice, the first time using multi-layered keyboards (including one that sounds like a banjo!), the second time arranged for orchestra. We then have the third and final acappella vignette, introducing us to our next character, "Sir Galahad," which segues into the final composition, "The Last Battle." Opening with a great double entendre - "Gone are the days of the knights" - it tells of the end of the Round Table, and Arthur's death, and features another mellow jam containing yet more marvelous Wakeman solo work, and ends with a masterfully orchestrated final statement of the main theme.

If a masterpiece is a work which is compositionally, musically, vocally and lyrically perfect, in which not a single note is out of place or misused, and which features exceptional production qualities, then "Myths and Legends" is an unequivocal masterpiece. So much so, in my opinion, that I have included it in my "desert island discs (DIDs)"; i.e., one of the ten albums I would choose to take to a desert island if I was confined to only ten albums. In any event, "Myths and Legends" is a must-have for any serious prog collection.



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Thirteenth in a series, 19 Aug 2005
(Note: Prior to releasing "Forget Yourself," The Church released a two-disc CD entitled "Parallel Universe." The first disc contains techno "remixes" of songs on "After Everything Now This," done by various people, and is, to my mind, unlistenable. However, the second disc contains six new songs from the AENT sessions, and is highly recommended.)

Although it is gratifying to see this album called "so different" and "the first album of the new millenium justified to have been recorded in it" (high praise indeed!), there is actually little on this album that was not presaged by "Hologram of Baal" and "After Everything Now This." That said, "Forget Yourself" IS an exceptional, immensely creative, virtually flawless album that shows yet again that The Church has become one of the chief standard-bearers of the prog-rock genre.

"Sealine" launches us immediately into a textured atmosphere as dense as anything the band has ever created, with fuzzed-out echo-guitars and treated drums, a radical chord progression (there are quite a few on the album), great guitar work, and a strong vocal from Kilbey, delivering yet another brilliant song-poem. "Song in Space" (a fave, with yet another amazing Kilbey song-poem) is a sound-filled composition full of retro-60s psychedelia, with hints of Beatles, Cream, and Moody Blues, filtered through the band's unique approach. "The Theater and Its Double" opens with one of the most wonderful guitar/drum beat figures the band has yet employed, moving into a quasi-arhythmic chorus section of arpeggiated guitar and breathy, hypnotic vocals, and ends with some great guitar work. "Telepath" opens with the band's most beautiful harmonies to date, moving into a nice arrangement of arpeggiated guitar, a nice drum figure, solid bass, and (need I say it?) yet another brilliant Kilbey song-poem, all surrounded in a dense atmosphere, especially in the middle and end sections. "See Your Lights" is a slight more straight-ahead light rocker propelled by dual guitars, solid drumming and bass work, and a truly neat guitar figure separating chorus from verse. "Lay Low" (another fave) opens with a bizarre keyboard, a neat guitar figure, and solid bass and drums, and quickly becomes one of the band's most compelling arrangements, with off-time drumming in the verses, stop-and-start vocals, and a powerful, sound-filled chorus that is uniquely The Church. "Maya" is a textured ballad, beautifully executed in a classic Church arrangement, with verses reminiscent of "Tranquility" (from "Hologram of Baal"). Recalling both "Louisiana" and "Buffalo" (from "Hologram of Baal"), "Appalatia" is a gorgeous arrangement (and another fave), and possibly Koppes' best work, including his strongest-ever vocal. "June" is a strange, almost solemn ballad with a straight-ahead approach. "Don't You Fall" - a nice, if mildly paranoid, light rocker - is a true Church original, harking back to their "Heyday" and "Starfish" period. With a similar opening figure to "Dome" (from "Priest=Aura"), "I Kept Everything" (yet another fave) has a fabulous Kilbey song-poem, supported by a beautiful arrangement of echo-guitar, great bass work, and heavily textured atmosphere. "Nothing Seeker" opens with powerful bass work, wild wah-wah guitar, heavy drumming and ultra-texture, and has a quick-stop chorus and a wild finish. "Reversal" (yup, another fave) has one of the band's best-ever textured arrangements, including a neat Beatle-esque bridge, and some of the best vocal textures the band has created. "Summer" (another ballad heavily reminiscent of "Tranquility") closes the first disc in true Church style with a beautiful, heavily textured, sound-filled arrangement, including an increasingly present grand piano. (Needless to say, as with any album containing heavily-textured music, this should be listened to first with headphones. And the first time it is played externally, it should be played loud.)

Not content to leave well enough alone (thank God!), The Church included a bonus disc featuring three additional compositions. It is in the first of these that the band does something truly extraordinary: they add to the lexicon of sound textures possible using standard instruments and studio tricks. With the 14-minute experimental instrumental, "Serpent Easy," the band proves that not every possible sound/texture has already been created and/or used by Pink Floyd, Moody Blues, Yes, Genesis et al. Opening with a "2001: A Space Odyssey"-type rumble, the band moves through a succession of sounds and textures that run the gamut from fairly ordinary to highly creative, to absolutely mind-blowing. (Note that I do not recommend listening to this while under the influence of any hallucinogenic substances!) "Cantilever" is an extended composition with a neat, quasi-experimental, sound-filled arrangement, plus a truly great Kilbey song-poem, delivered using some of the strangest vocal inflections he has ever used. "Moodertronic" is a respectful nod to Frippertronics, with a couple of repeating guitar figures, plus a lightly synth-textured, Eno-esque atmosphere.

Although I am not prepared to call this the definitive Church album - and, although I want to, I'm not going to suggest that the band won't ever be able to top it, since I've been wrong not twice but thrice in this regard - there is no question that the sheer creativity on "Forget Yourself" is phenomenal, that the album may in fact set a new bar for the band, and that it belongs in any important collection of prog-rock. (As an aside, has anyone considered what the "real" name of this album is? Also, any thoughts as to what all the phrases on the insert refer to?)



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Eighth in a series, 19 Aug 2005
With "Priest=Aura" - The Church's second "breakthrough" album - the band has unequivocally "arrived" as a progressive band to be reckoned with, exactly 10 years after their debut. Gone is any pretension of "hit-making," or even a "standard" approach. They have fully accepted who they are (and who their influences are), and have shaped and molded their sound into something mature, expansive, compelling and uncompromisingly creative. They have also mastered - truly mastered - the recording studio, taking full advantage of what can be done. (Needless to say, this album should be listened to with headphones.) In these regards, this album and its follow-up ("Sometime Anywhere") are their "Sgt. Pepper" and "Magical Mystery Tour," and belong in any collection of truly great prog-rock.

Beginning with the Moodies-like chords and expansive reverbed atmosphere at the opening of "Aura," you know that something different and wonderful has happened to the band. Kilbey then delivers a tour-de-force tale (in his now-trademark talk-singing style) of the power of love over hate, undergirded by a masterful arrangement full of solid keyboards, minimalist guitars, and almost impossibly lush atmospheres, all building to an outro that Floyd would be proud to claim as their own. "Ripple" has the band in superb form: solid beat, great guitar work, a truly haunting key change between verse and chorus, a wonderful instrumental break, another great outro, and another great "tale" from Kilbey. "Paradox" takes us into "dream" territory, with excellent interplay between guitars and keyboards, and hypnotic double vocals. "Lustre" is the "new" Church at its finest and most original, with a fantastic arrangement full of exciting key and texture changes, and yet another great "story" from Kilbey. "Swan Lake" is the first of three "mini-tunes" on the album (all under 2.5 minutes). Sardonically mocking, it is a beautifully concise waltz-time composition. "Feel" has a U2 feel, complete with a hopelessly infectious beat and Edge-like guitar riff, but filtered through the band's unique sensibilities. "Mistress" is a true Church original, clearly marking the band's unique brand of storytelling, arrangement and texture. "Kings" is another U2-ish song, with another Edge-inspired guitar riff and another infectious beat, along with another great Kilbey song-poem, again all filtered through the band's unique sensibilities. "Dome" is one of Kilbey's most poignant song-poems, underpinned by a deceptively simple arrangement. "Witch Hunt" is the second waltz-time "mini-tune," this time a humorous ditty about the dangers of helping people. "The Illusionist" is the story of a carnival-based pseudo-magician, with an extraordinary rhyming lyric supported by another deceptively simple arrangement (sort of like Dylan meets Floyd). "Old Flame" is the final "mini-tune," this one a gorgeous, bittersweet double-guitar piece. "Chaos" is an extended composition with the band's most aggressive performance thus far, including a neat beat (dig that subtle cabasa in the verses!), a Fripp-ish guitar figure, and a length Crimzoid instrumental section. "Film" closes the album with another great Church instrumental, this time an appropriately-titled composition that might have served well on a film score.

"Priest=Aura" is not simply a perfect album (no bad, or even "lesser," songs), but one on which not a single note or idea is out of place. From this point forward, The Church would produce only top-quality progressive albums full of creative, compelling and often exciting music.



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Even greater things to come, 19 Aug 2005
[Third in a series] From the opening notes of "Fly," you can tell that The Church had become a far more confident band, and was developing a more "textured" and (even if not fully developed yet) progressive sound: the keyboard in the chorus is both strong and perfect, the strings (a new element) are used tastefully and appropriately, and the use of percussion instead of drums signals a very different approach to writing and arrangement. (As an aside, "Fly" may be the most perfect 2-minute song in progressive rock.) "Fly" leads directly into "One Day" with a strong, Beatle-esque guitar, a slightly syncopated backbeat, and Kilbey's first virtually monotone delivery, which not only works effectively, but is actually quite compelling. (Peter Koppes also takes a neat solo.) "Electric" opens with a nice rhythm guitar/drum pattern again, and a very interesting lead guitar part. The keyboard and general arrangement of the chorus are lush with progressive sensibilities. "It's No Reason" is the first Church song to open with and feature keyboards, and the chorus is a beautiful, melancholy mix of acoustic guitar, keyboards, and a subtle string arrangement, giving it an almost Moody Blues-ish quality. "Travel By Thought" is a mish-mash of progressive elements, and seems more like an "experiment" than a cohesive idea (it also sounds like a "nod" to XTC's "Travels in Nihilon," which was released the year before and has a very similar drum figure and general arrangment). "Disappear" makes effective use of acoustic guitar, a simple syncopated beat (they were starting to get really good at this - and would get even better in the future), and Harrison-esque lead fills. "Electric Lash" finds the band having some fun with its former approach (even slyly bringing in the guitar figure from "Sisters"), although with a strange snare effect and a nice keyboard figure. "Now I Wonder Why" is underpinned by a wonderful McCartney-esque bass figure (is there a pattern developing here?...), which at times follows the vocal. The keyboards at the bridge add a nice touch. "Dropping Names" is an interesting amalgam of the band's former and current approaches: a solid rock beat and jangly guitars, mixed with subtle keyboards, sound effects, textures, etc. "It Doesn't Change" closes the album with a haunting, quasi-paranoid (read "Floydian"), minimalist arrangement of arpeggiated guitar, drums, solid bass, and increasingly present keyboards - an approach that would eventually become part of their "signature" sound. Overall, "Seance" is the band's first "progressive" album, in as much as they were clearly applying their growing progressive sensibilities in a conscious manner. And given the "basic rock" approach of the majority of their prior material, "Seance" is a truly unexpected and wonderful offering. As importantly, it was the beginning of the first of three short "periods" that the band would go through, all of which were initiated by breakthrough albums. "Seance" was to The Church's "growth" as "Foxtrot" was to Genesis, "Time and A Word" was to Yes, and "Atom Heart Mother" was to Pink Floyd - all of those albums were great, but presaged even greater things to come.



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Highly recommended, 19 Aug 2005
At first spin this album did not attract me because to me the music seemed like being forced to be like this and the band really neglect the melodic side of a composition. With couple of spins, my appreciation towards the album grew significantly - even I talked to myself that the key to enjoy this album is the complexity and abrupt change in style offered by the music. Yes, it's similar with my first experience in mid seventies with Yes "Tales from Topographic Ocean" album which I considered too complex and not melodic at all. But it grew significantly later. Now, come a question on how to enjoy a music from complexity standpoint? I only have one recipe: let the music flow into your mind and cascade down into your heart, steadily, even though it takes a long time.

Having done so, I even now amazed with the fact that by now I fully can enjoy the full stream (from start to end) of the opening track "I Am The Sun - Part One" (15:03) when at first listen I completely rejected. I don't really know why did I hate the song that is now becoming one of my favorite TFK tracks? Consciously, I really now enjoy this wonderful and energetic track from its intro, all the way through complex arrangements and variations until the music really ends. There are so many style changes from upbeat music into avant-garde and jazz improvisations in the middle of the track till end. It's really a wonderful composition. I even can enjoy the mellow track with jazz touch "Dream On Dreamer" (2:43).

"Rumble Fish Twist" (8:06) is an instrumental piece that starts off with sound effects followed with hard driving rhythm music in complex arrangements and relatively fast tempo. The keyboard provides great sound effects accompanied with solid bass lines, guitar rhythm and machine-gun drumming. The guitar solo is truly stunning. I like also the part where Michael Stolt is given a space to give his wonderful bass guitar solo even though in a short time. The music suddenly moves into quiet passage in a spacey nuance. Bass guitar shows off the talent here. What a great musical break!

Wow! "Monster Within" (12:55) is really an energetic song with a very uplifting mood. This track really elevates my emotion especially hearing the powerful vocal by Hasse Folberg and Roine Stolt. It's an adrenalin exploder, really. The music changes in style in the middle of the track with guitar solo and inventive keyboard work. The song ends in uplifting mood at the end part with a somewhat blues influence music. "Chicken Farmer Song" (5:09) and "Underdog" (5:29) are bit light in terms composition but it's still an excellent song. "You Don't Know What You've Got" (2:39) is a ballad with acoustic guitar rhythm.

"Slave To Money" (7:30) brings the music back into a rather complex arrangements but with a smooth flow from start to middle until it reaches a change in style and complexity. "A Kings Prayer" (6:02) is relatively slow track with ambient and ballad style, accessible to most listeners as it has memorable choruses. The album concludes with "I Am The Sun - Part Two" (10:48) beautifully.

Overall, it's a highly recommended album. Keep on proggin'

 
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I think  The Church reviews are Maani's too. Also, if I'm not mistaken, isn't that one of Gatot's, with his signature "keep on proggin!" closer?
 
You folks might recognize others. This "Cadby" guy is a rip-off artist -- this does not involve me directly, but now what to do? These are PA reviews, and this royal JERKSTAIN Cadby is taking the credit! ConfusedAngry


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O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
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Posted By: sircosick
Date Posted: September 04 2007 at 22:54
LOLLOL

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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: September 05 2007 at 00:04
Originally posted by sircosick sircosick wrote:

LOLLOL
Confused I wasn't joking. This thieving dickweed Cadby  pisses me off!
 
(BTW, I did find some of my Tangerine Dream reviews elsewhere, but myself and PA were credited there.)


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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.


Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 05 2007 at 00:52
I just found this one
 
Laghonia - Etcetera (Mag Records LPN2412/ Δεκέμβριος 1971)

Διαβάζοντας την κριτική του Ivan Melgar-Morey για το άλμπουμ των συμπατριωτών του, Περουβιανών, Laghonia, που είναι πανταχού παρούσα σε σχεδόν οποιαδήποτε σχετική αναζήτηση στο διαδίκτυο, με χαμόγελο διαπιστώνεις πως υπάρχει αναφορά σε δύο ζητήματα που δεν φαντάζουν καθόλου ξένα στην ελληνική πραγματικότητα, ιστορική ή τρέχουσα.
 
Follows more
 
In http://www.mic.gr/stili.asp?id=13506 - http://www.mic.gr/stili.asp?id=13506
 
This guys even rupped the photo I used for the band Angry
 
The worst thing is that i dobn't know if they copied it right because I can't understand a word.
 
Iván
 


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Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: September 05 2007 at 04:38
 
                                  OK Ivan, now look at this Wink :
 

http://d01.megashares.com/?d01=2e6f46f - GREENSLADE - Time and Tide (1975)

Symphonic Prog-United Kingdom

Após ter sido demitido do COLOSSEUM em 1971, o tecladista Dave Greenslade fundou sua própria banda - GREENSLADE - junto com Tony Reeves (baixo), Dave Lawson (teclados, clarinete, flauta) e Andrew McCulloch (bateria), que tinha sido do KING CRIMSON. Em 1973, GREENSLADE fez seu debut com o álbum do mesmo nome, seguido por " Bedside Manner Are Extra " (1973), "Spyless Guest" (1974) e finalmente " Time and Tide" (1975). A poucos anos atrás Dave Greenslade e Tony Reeves juntaram-se para ressurgir o GREENSLADE com John Young (guitarra e vocais) e Chris Cozens (bateria). Eles fizeram os albuns " Large Afternoon " e " Greensadale live 2001".Os primeiros dois albuns eram uma mistura excelente de clássico, jazz, rock, blues e rock sinfônico com elaboradas composiçőes e inventivos e excitantes duos de teclados de Greenslade e Lawson. A onipresença do Mellotron é extremamente agradavel com majestosas ondas do violino-Mellotron (como nos idos do King Crimson) e gloriosas erupçőes de suntuosos coros-Mellotron.Em comparaçăo com o " dinossauro-progrock ", GREENSLADE tocou variados estilos, com cançőes muito curtas e sem a usual " indulgęncia própria do progrock" ( como ELP e YES ), sem solos infinitos. Eu estou muito satisfeito com o swing e o som poderoso do clavinete, um subestimado teclado dentro do mundo do progrock (apenas Rick Wakeman o usava frequentemente) ...A boa partida para essa banda única é a compilaçăo " Shades of Green " e sempre bem recebido como introduçăo tambem , o album ao vivo " Live " ( com faixas de 73 e 75 ), contendo alguns espetaculares solos de um Minimoog ( com pitchbend ).É um dos melhores albuns com hints de teclados desde WAKEMAN, MANFRED MANN'S EARTH BAND e SUPERTRAMP.
GREENSLADE é uma banda para se descobrir e entăo, ser mais e mais apreciada pelos proggers aficcionados.
comentários por: Erik Neuteboom, Holanda
 
МАЛЕНЬКИЕ ТРАГЕДИИ «Шестое Чувство»
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Содержание:
  • 1.Шестое чувство
  • 2. Птица
  • 3. На берегу моря
  • 4. Блудный сын
  • 5.Утешение
  • 6.Сон
  • 7.Соединение
  • 8. Индюк
  • 9. Я вежлив с жизнью современною…
  • 10. Прапамять
  • 11. Я и вы
  • 12. Я не прожил, я протомился…
  • Описание: Новейший альбом (по мнению многих иностранцев) лучшей прогрессивной группы России. Тот же состав, те же стихи Гумилёва, и вновь причудливое переплетение клавишных и гитары. Многие интернет-издания поставили этот альбом в десятку лучших прогрессивных альбомов года. А известный музыкальный критик Erik Neuteboom сказал, что в России появилась группа, способная конкурировать с The Flower Kings, The Tangent и IQ.

    Номер по каталогу: MALS 162
    Год выхода: 2006
    Стиль: Sympho Prog
    Производитель: MUSEA
     
     

    "YESTERDAYS - Holdfénykert

    Ez egy romániai együttes, amely jelenleg tíz zenészbôl áll (akik közül három hölgy és egy magyarországi session ütős). A "Yesterdays" 2000 eleje óta működik és egy sor albumot, sőt egy DVD-t is kihozott már, bemutatkozásként a 2002-es "Come Dream With Me"-vel.

    A CD összesen tíz dalból áll kb. 50 percnyi játékidőben. Első részére mindenekelőtt egy kellemes, folkos színezetű hangzás jellemző, amelyben gazdagon szerepel az akusztikus gitár és a fuvola, meg egy kellemes, a Renaissance-os Annie Haslam-ot idéző (noha az övénél tisztább) női énekhang. Igen szép az akusztikus gitár duett (tapping-technikával megszólaltatva), és rendkívül szép a hegedű-mellotron folyamok beágyazása egyes dalokba. A cédé második részében egy igencsak szimfonikus hangvételt hallani a folk mellett, ahol a billentyűjátékos finoman besimuló szintetizátor futamokkal gyönyörködtet a Moog-on, no meg újabb szép mellotron betétekkel. Kiemelkedően meleg hangzású az akusztikus gitár-csembaló duett. A lemez csúcspontja a hosszabb, meglehetősen változatos és szimfonikus "Seven": az elején gyors ritmika Moog dallamokkal és mellotronnal, ami aztán meleg-lágy női énekhangot megszólaltató, álomszerű folytatásra vált. Ezt követi egy lassú rész, érzelmes gitárral és persze mellotron futamokkal. A befejező rész egy fuvolaszólóval és felsiramló gitárral indul, majd egy harsogó Hammond orgonaszóló bombasztikus kitörésébe torkollik. Igazi remeklés!

    Noha a hallgatónak nem kevéssé elkötelezettnek kell lennie a folk és fôként a melankolikus hangzásvilág iránt, de a szimfonikus rock beépítése igazán ragyogóan sikerült! (Erik Neuteboom)"

     
    DELIRIUM
    Erik Neuteboom: http:/// -
    19/03/07 - Ciň č una fascia italiana leggendaria del progrock che ha prodotto parecchi album
    negli anni settanta in anticipo. A metŕ strada gli anni '90 Delirum hanno fatto un comeback compreso alcuni nuovi album dell'studio e in 2006 hanno effettuato nella cittŕ italiana Trento, liberato appena su questo CD. Possiamo godere i musicisti crafty ed ispirati che li curano su una miscela tasteful della gente (che caratterizzano scanalatura di turbine, i guitars acustici caldi e i vocals forti) e delle canzoni della roccia con il guitar ardente e il saxophone potente. A determinati momenti Delirum trasporta le parti suonanti jazzy con il piano e i bas d'oscillazione. La maggior parte delle 13 composizioni contengono il lavoro grande sul guitar e saxophone e naturalmente, nella tradizione degli anni settanta, sentiamo il soli sui tamburi e sulla spigola. I miei punti culminanti sono Villagio (potente con la scanalatura di turbine e il soli forte ardente e del guitar sul guitar, sul saxophone, sulla scanalatura e sull'organo), Preludio: Paura (folky con un assolo meraviglioso sul guitar acustico), Gioia, Disordine, Risentimento (costringendo con un assolo grezzo e bluesy del guitar), un Jethro Tull Medley (buon gioco sulla scanalatura, guitar e spigola e un atmosfera in tensione piacevole) e una resa eccellente del Cocker del Joe il suo classico del `' con un aiuto piccolo della punta dai miei amici che caratterizzano gli inondazioni splendidi dell'organo e lle prestazioni vocali ispirate! La canzone Notte che un Bagdad č basato sul fatto che il governo dell'Italia trasmette i soldati ad Irak per una missione, esso suona oscillante e moderna. Sono impressionato da questa fascia italiana leggendaria del progrock, questa sono un buon album in tensione con lavoro eccezionale sul guitar, sulla scanalatura e sul saxophone in una miscela progressiva captivating della roccia e della gente, appena come la loro ispirazione Jehtro Tull! La mia valutazione: 3.5 stelle.

                         So Brasilian (Portuguese), Russian, Hungarian and Italian Wacko

     
    By the way, fortunately not only commercial CD/DVD mailorder services but also bands websites like Delirum Thumbs%20Up
     

     



    Posted By: andu
    Date Posted: September 05 2007 at 04:43
    I'm honoured to be able to exchange lines with people so renowned ShockedWink

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    Posted By: Peter
    Date Posted: September 06 2007 at 08:48
    ConfusedHmmm... thanks for the helpful responses -- no doubt Maani and Gatot will be grateful for your concern over their PA reviews being stolen....Disapprove

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    Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
    O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
    He chortled in his joy.


    Posted By: Tony R
    Date Posted: September 06 2007 at 11:57
    Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

    ConfusedHmmm... thanks for the helpful responses -- no doubt Maani and Gatot will be grateful for your concern over their PA reviews being stolen....Disapprove


    have you asked them? I guess that Amazon could be contacted and informed of this plagiarism.

    The trouble is that the web is one big info pool and why we should certainly NOT condone these saddoes who pass off other people's reviews as their own, chasing sites every time they use our reviews uncredited would be futile I think.

    I'm not dodging my Admin responsibilities here I just dont think its a good idea to set a precedent. I for one dont want to spend my every waking moment tracking down plagiarists because The Admin team did it for Maani and Gatot and therefore should do it for everybody..Smile


    Posted By: Peter
    Date Posted: September 06 2007 at 17:18
    Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

    Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

    ConfusedHmmm... thanks for the helpful responses -- no doubt Maani and Gatot will be grateful for your concern over their PA reviews being stolen....Disapprove


    have you asked them? I guess that Amazon could be contacted and informed of this plagiarism.

    The trouble is that the web is one big info pool and why we should certainly NOT condone these saddoes who pass off other people's reviews as their own, chasing sites every time they use our reviews uncredited would be futile I think.

    I'm not dodging my Admin responsibilities here I just dont think its a good idea to set a precedent. I for one dont want to spend my every waking moment tracking down plagiarists because The Admin team did it for Maani and Gatot and therefore should do it for everybody..Smile
    SmileThanks for your response, Tony. (i was disappointed to only get a "LOL" in reponse to my post. previously.) I understand that you guys can't "chase down" every such malefactor who plagiarizes from PA.
     
    As you know, I'm not the most tech-savvy guy here, but I did try to report those stolen reviews to Amazon UK, but could not find any way to contact them via my PC. One can hit a "report" button, or "vote" to indicate that a review is "unhelpful" (I did both), but there seems to be no option to explain just what the nature of the issue is.
     
    As they are not my reviews, i was just wondering if you folks had any suggestions or prior experience with such thefts, or indeed, any desire to make Gatot and Ian aware of the situation (I could PM Maani -- we corresponded a lot in the past, but he is so infrequently here these days -- but Gatot I've never had any contact with.)
     
    In any case, if PA is not overly concerned, then i'm not either -- it's a case of "choose your battles," i guess. (And I have more pressing "real life" work-related matters to deal with.) 
     
     


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    "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
    Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
    O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
    He chortled in his joy.


    Posted By: Tony R
    Date Posted: September 06 2007 at 19:20
    It's not a lack of concern really. I have contacted Amazon about Mr Cadby though.


    Posted By: erik neuteboom
    Date Posted: September 07 2007 at 04:44
     
                                    A few more 'thiefs', Tony R30:
     
    http://www.znrcds.com/osc/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=5256&osCsid=574362f6bfd4bee2 - http://www.znrcds.com/osc/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=5256&osCsid=574362f6bfd4bee2
     
    http://cdbaby.com/cd/mistseason2 - http://cdbaby.com/cd/mistseason2
     
    http://www.rockmarket.ru/catalogue/8047 - http://www.rockmarket.ru/catalogue/8047
     
    http://www.kickrss.com/top%20rock%20songs - http://www.kickrss.com/top%20rock%20songs
     
     


    Posted By: Tony R
    Date Posted: September 07 2007 at 07:08
    I dont think we should be chasing everything, as I wrote in a previous post. If someone is passing off reviews from PA as their own then that is a different matter.
    I dont want to set a precedent for chasing up the use of reviews or very quickly we will need armies of staff dealing with this.



    Posted By: Raff
    Date Posted: September 07 2007 at 09:09
    Because of my previous job, I have some familiarity with the issues of copyright, intellectual property and such - and I can tell you that experts in the matter are at a loss about what to do with the whole Internet situation. The web is so huge that people could steal anything without the injured party ever getting wind of it.

    Some sites that have a lot of published material (I am using a few of these for my PhD research) state it clearly that it is available to everyone, but that they would prefer users to at least cite their source (something I always do). In the case of those bios and reviews, I've noticed that some of those sites have actually credited both the author and PA, while others, in real scumbaggy fashion, have passed them off as their own. Now, I don't want to play devil's advocate, but I remember that quite a few bios in our DB come from other sources, which are not always duly credited.


    Posted By: Joolz
    Date Posted: September 07 2007 at 13:00
    Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

    I dont think we should be chasing everything, as I wrote in a previous post. If someone is passing off reviews from PA as their own then that is a different matter.
    I dont want to set a precedent for chasing up the use of reviews or very quickly we will need armies of staff dealing with this.


    Illegal uploaders on blog sites are massive offenders.  Angry

    I don't see it as PA's problem - after all, we as individuals are the ones who hold the copyright to our own work, not PA. I believe we should publish on the understanding that it is potentially liable to being ripped off by unscrupulous people. As already stated, it is a huge internet-wide problem and there's probably little we can do about it. If it is properly credited then it is best left alone.


    Posted By: Greg W
    Date Posted: September 25 2007 at 16:03
    Oh come on. Admit it. You creampuffs love the idea of others using your stuff. It puts relevance in your work now.


    Posted By: Tony R
    Date Posted: September 25 2007 at 18:34
    Originally posted by Greg W Greg W wrote:

    Oh come on. Admit it. You creampuffs love the idea of others using your stuff. It puts relevance in your work now.


    Some people dont like their things being taken and used without their permission.

    Stop winding these people up Greg, they think you're being serious and I have give them my word that you are not. Smile


    Posted By: debrewguy
    Date Posted: September 26 2007 at 20:16
    Are they at least using the good ones ?Wink
    "Like, this is the best album that they have ever put out in my opinion. I should know because I have half of their 5 CDs. Their music is like no other band. You can hear riffs from XXXX, some vocals like YYYY, and I swear the guitarist sounds exactly like ZZZZ.
    If it wasn't for this album, I would not be a porg fan. And having listened to music since I was 12, I can tell you that I know music. I listened to over 100 albums, and I'm only sixteen. But I'm not hung up on the old stuff, like the 80s & 90s. I think that 20th century music will be as good as the ones put out 10 years ago, because more bands have heard more other groups, so they make up their own new stuff better.
    SO to finish, buy this album. I couldn't find here in town, so I used XXX to download it. But it is worth the price, you know. Big%20smile


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    Posted By: Prog-jester
    Date Posted: October 14 2007 at 14:09
    Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

    So Brasilian (Portuguese), Russian, Hungarian and Italian 


    Don't worry about Russian, Erik, they just mention that you consider TRAGEDIES' album equal to IQ/ FLOWER KINGS/ TANGENT outing. Not a word from you review had been used there.


    Posted By: Tuzvihar
    Date Posted: October 14 2007 at 14:12
    My post from another thread on a similar subject:

    http://zeuhlmusic.blogspot.com/ - http://zeuhlmusic.blogspot.com

    Scroll down this blog. Under Weidorje's album there is a review of it by our Joren. It's copied completely with the stars, Joren's title (SPECIAL COLLABORATOR) and even a link to his profile...

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    Posted By: chamberry
    Date Posted: October 14 2007 at 14:20
    I don't mind as long as I get credit for it. I've seen my Zypressen review in one of the prog blogs around the net and I was quite flattered. Embarrassed



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    Posted By: Frippertron
    Date Posted: October 14 2007 at 14:28
    Well.. They have done it to me too
     
    http://www.muzikmarketi.com/story/oldfield-mike-amarok-1990-rated-55-by-frippertron/ - http://www.muzikmarketi.com/story/oldfield-mike-amarok-1990-rated-55-by-frippertron/
     
    It wasnt as though it was a good review either LOL.
     
    My name is there for all to see, but what annoys the most is "Prog Archives" isnt mentioned.. Tut tut.
     
    I think it just goes to show that these sites are not capable of doing any decent reviews so use the wonderful Prog Archive reviewers instead.
     
     
     


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    Posted By: moreitsythanyou
    Date Posted: October 14 2007 at 14:41
    Every time I've seen it they credit the reviewer, credit Prog Archives, and sometimes provide a link. I don't see what's wrong with that if the reviewer is absolutely being credited for the review.


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    Posted By: Angelo
    Date Posted: October 14 2007 at 17:13
    Originally posted by Frippertron Frippertron wrote:

    Well.. They have done it to me too
     
    http://www.muzikmarketi.com/story/oldfield-mike-amarok-1990-rated-55-by-frippertron/ - http://www.muzikmarketi.com/story/oldfield-mike-amarok-1990-rated-55-by-frippertron/
     
    It wasnt as though it was a good review either LOL.
     
    My name is there for all to see, but what annoys the most is "Prog Archives" isnt mentioned.. Tut tut.
     
    I think it just goes to show that these sites are not capable of doing any decent reviews so use the wonderful Prog Archive reviewers instead.
     
     
     


    I did a quick search on that site, and found reviews by Ricochet, Geck0, Melomaniac, Joren, Finnforest, Easy Livin, ClemOfNazareth... all without the a ref to ProgArchives, and likely without notifying the authors. Nice job Confused


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    Posted By: Syzygy
    Date Posted: October 14 2007 at 18:32
    Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

    Originally posted by Frippertron Frippertron wrote:

    Well.. They have done it to me too
     
    http://www.muzikmarketi.com/story/oldfield-mike-amarok-1990-rated-55-by-frippertron/ - http://www.muzikmarketi.com/story/oldfield-mike-amarok-1990-rated-55-by-frippertron/
     
    It wasnt as though it was a good review either LOL.
     
    My name is there for all to see, but what annoys the most is "Prog Archives" isnt mentioned.. Tut tut.
     
    I think it just goes to show that these sites are not capable of doing any decent reviews so use the wonderful Prog Archive reviewers instead.
     
     
     


    I did a quick search on that site, and found reviews by Ricochet, Geck0, Melomaniac, Joren, Finnforest, Easy Livin, ClemOfNazareth... all without the a ref to ProgArchives, and likely without notifying the authors. Nice job Confused
     
    They've used at least 8 of mine as well - mostly 2 and 3 stars, which I find a bit baffling considering they (presumably) want people to buy the CDs. On the other hand, it's kind of flattering...


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    Posted By: Atavachron
    Date Posted: October 14 2007 at 18:50
    good gravy, they have five pages worth of my reviews...  just goes to show; make sure your spelling and grammar is good before it says hello to the world...  Wink LOL







    Posted By: The Doctor
    Date Posted: October 14 2007 at 19:50
    i was on http://www.progdorksgetlucky.com - www.progdorksgetlucky.com the other day and noticed they had ripped off one of my homemade movies.  Angry

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    Posted By: Barla
    Date Posted: October 15 2007 at 00:15
    Here's my Rush's 2112 review, which appeared on this site:

    http://www.muzikmarketi.com/story/rush-2112-1976-rated-55-by-barla/ - http://www.muzikmarketi.com/story/rush-2112-1976-rated-55-by-barla/

    I don't see this as a bad thing at all. They mention me, and the review is exactly the same as the one in ProgArchives. What is more, I find it as an achivevement to know that someone actually read my review and decided to publish it on his/her page. Smile

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    Posted By: The Whistler
    Date Posted: October 15 2007 at 00:41

    They told me they didn't want to rip me off...that they'd find better written material stealing the reviews of a blind drug addict...



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    Posted By: Easy Money
    Date Posted: October 15 2007 at 00:46
    Speaking of reviews, what happened, I just got my review up and you avalanched me. Dang!


    Posted By: The Whistler
    Date Posted: October 15 2007 at 00:47
    Sorry, I like to do that...because I'm an ass. Whatchu review?

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    Posted By: Easy Money
    Date Posted: October 15 2007 at 00:49
    Worst record ever ... soundtrack to Miami Vice by Jan Hammer and others ... someone had to do it.


    Posted By: The Whistler
    Date Posted: October 15 2007 at 00:51
    Worst record ever? I beg to differ. Better look at my Wall 2000 send up first.

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    Posted By: Easy Money
    Date Posted: October 15 2007 at 00:53
    I did read that, very amusing.


    Posted By: The Whistler
    Date Posted: October 15 2007 at 00:55
    Well, anything with 80's Phil Collins on it can't be that good...

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    Posted By: Sean Trane
    Date Posted: October 16 2007 at 10:24
    Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

    Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

    Originally posted by Frippertron Frippertron wrote:

    Well.. They have done it to me too
     
    http://www.muzikmarketi.com/story/oldfield-mike-amarok-1990-rated-55-by-frippertron/ - http://www.muzikmarketi.com/story/oldfield-mike-amarok-1990-rated-55-by-frippertron/
     
    It wasnt as though it was a good review either LOL.
     
    My name is there for all to see, but what annoys the most is "Prog Archives" isnt mentioned.. Tut tut.
     
    I think it just goes to show that these sites are not capable of doing any decent reviews so use the wonderful Prog Archive reviewers instead.
     
     
     


    I did a quick search on that site, and found reviews by Ricochet, Geck0, Melomaniac, Joren, Finnforest, Easy Livin, ClemOfNazareth... all without the a ref to ProgArchives, and likely without notifying the authors. Nice job Confused
     
    They've used at least 8 of mine as well - mostly 2 and 3 stars, which I find a bit baffling considering they (presumably) want people to buy the CDs.
     
     
    On the other hand, it's kind of flattering...
     
    Actually it is when it is attributed to you. It's like a sort of homage.
     
    But unforunately very few times have the reviews been dutyfully acknowledged.


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    Posted By: Shakespeare
    Date Posted: October 20 2007 at 00:08
    Man, I SO want to find somebody using one of mine. That would make my day. Big%20smile I have no idea how I would, though, because doing a google search for "Shakespeare" just gives me sites about some old dead loaf who wrote a bunch of trash...

    A bunch of plagiarized trash, mind you. (Way to make it relevant, Joshyboy Cool).


    Posted By: Ricochet
    Date Posted: October 20 2007 at 06:56
    Just found my Quartermass review (and a Zowie Ziggy review on Deep Purple) on wordpress, they in rest mainly "discuss" about Britney Spears and Angelina Jolie!!!!

    http://famouspeoples.wordpress.com/2007/09/05/quatermass-quatermass-1970-rated-35-by-ricochet/#more-265 - http://famouspeoples.wordpress.com/2007/09/05/quatermass-quatermass-1970-rated-35-by-ricochet/#more-265


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    Posted By: Vibrationbaby
    Date Posted: October 26 2007 at 14:10
    Well, it`s happened to me again. This website, sakallimusic.blogspot, ripped off part of my Guru Guru bio and combined it with a UFO review they ripped off from someone else.I don`t usually go surfing and just did this for the hell of it. It took me only two hits before I found it. At least they give credit to progarchives. Writing is definitely not my forté but I do my best and have to work at it. Why can`t these  b*****ds write their own s**t? Who knows how much of our material is out there.

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    Posted By: MonkeyphoneAlex
    Date Posted: November 13 2007 at 23:03
    I've found my various YouTube videos copied to other sites (In one instance it was a German porn site) HAHA!

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    -FZ


    Posted By: Shakespeare
    Date Posted: November 13 2007 at 23:07
    Originally posted by MonkeyphoneAlex MonkeyphoneAlex wrote:

    I've found my various YouTube videos copied to other sites (In one instance it was a German porn site) HAHA!


    And you just happened to stumble across this site?Wink


    Posted By: The Doctor
    Date Posted: November 13 2007 at 23:11
    Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

    i was on http://www.progdorksgetlucky.com/ - www.progdorksgetlucky.com the other day and noticed they had ripped off one of my homemade movies.  Angry
     
    Originally posted by MonkeyphoneAlex MonkeyphoneAlex wrote:

    I've found my various YouTube videos copied to other sites (In one instance it was a German porn site) HAHA!
     
    Old joke.  Fail.  WinkTongue


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    Posted By: Certif1ed
    Date Posted: November 15 2007 at 04:10
    My reviews are being used on eBay with NO CREDIT to me or this site - maybe I should ask for a cut in the sale price;
     
    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HERE-AND-NOW-GIVE-AND-TAKE-Planet-Gong-RARE-SEALED-CD_W0QQitemZ180178757482QQihZ008QQcategoryZ1049QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HERE-AND-NOW-GIVE-AND-TAKE-Planet-Gong-RARE-SEALED-CD_W0QQitemZ180178757482QQihZ008QQcategoryZ1049QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
     
     
    /edit - just emailled him, requesting that he at least does the decent thing and asks in future!


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    Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
    Date Posted: December 14 2007 at 14:14

    If anybody plagiates me I concider it as a sign that I have written something good enough to be stolen. If needed, I can prove the original text is mine, so it's not my problem but the shame of the thief, he hasn't achieved or created anything, just been a thief. LOL



    Posted By: Vibrationbaby
    Date Posted: March 31 2008 at 14:45
    Some guy ripped off part of my Crimson bio for his youtube video for One More Red Nightmare which isn`t even really a video but just a bunch of stills of the band.Angry

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    Posted By: Wilcey
    Date Posted: March 31 2008 at 18:03
    Just imagine how it feels to have your music ripped off and given away freely, so that you lose your income. There is not enough angry faced emoticons in the world to explain that feeling.



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