Standard 'Olympic' Country Codes
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Topic: Standard 'Olympic' Country Codes
Posted By: T.Rox
Subject: Standard 'Olympic' Country Codes
Date Posted: July 23 2007 at 08:44
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When it comes to identifying a country of origin that a band comes from where there is a shared band name it seems there is no real standard applied in PA. As an example you will find bands from France with either (FRA) or (FR) as a country identifier, or from Italy the code may be (ITA) or (IT)... http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1337 - ASGARD (FRA) discography, MP3, videos and reviews
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2966 - EDEN (FR) discography, MP3, videos and reviews
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=30 - ASGARD (ITA) discography, MP3, videos and reviews
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=3013 - CLEPSYDRA (IT) discography, MP3, videos and reviews
My suggestion: PA should adopt the Standard 'Olympic' Country Codes for applying the country of origin as a standard, giving consistency of entry of information in PA. The list of codes can be found here:
http://geography.about.com/od/countryinformation/a/olympiccodes.htm - http://geography.about.com/od/countryinformation/a/olympiccodes.htm
I understand this is not a 'biggie' but consistency of entry of information leads to better understanding of what people are reading and does make things a little more 'professional'.
Anyway, a little something to think about in amongst all the other things.
Cheers,
T.Rox
 ------------- "Without prog, life would be a mistake." ...with apologies to Friedrich Nietzsche |
Replies:
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: July 23 2007 at 11:05
| One for Joolz! |
Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: July 24 2007 at 09:48
| Absolutely agree ... we should be consistent .... I'll have a look at it! |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: September 10 2007 at 14:35
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OK, I prepared a list… I shan’t change the entries due to the problems with the diacritic signs in my computer. The correct code of a country is below each group of bands. There are three groups that should be discussed. 1. Bands with the same names: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1299 - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2064 - Poland Should be – ESP, POL *** http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1994 - Germany http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1940 - United Kingdom Should be – GER, GBR *** http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=527 - Sweden http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2865 - United Kingdom Should be – SWE, GBR *** http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1141 - Netherlands http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2534 - United States Should be – http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1102 - Germany http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2864 - Australia Should be – GER, AUS *** http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2960 - United States http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=902 - Brazil Should be – http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=361 - Switzerland http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=3013 - Italy Should be – SUI, ITA *** http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=75 - Japan http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=76 - Norway Should be – JPN, NOR *** http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=500 - Italy http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=77 - Mexico Should be – ITA, MEX *** http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=87 - France http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=642 - Uruguay Should be – FRA, URU *** http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2106 - Germany http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2966 - France http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=3019 - Canada Should be – GER, FRA, CAN *** http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=871 - Chile http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2902 - France Should be – CHI, FRA *** http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=463 - Canada http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=98 - Denmark ??? http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=121 - Spain http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1271 - Australia Should be – ESP, AUS *** http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=122 - United Kingdom http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=749 - Germany Should be – GBR, GER *** http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2292 - Sweden http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2309 - Germany Should be – SWE, GER *** http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=247 - Italy http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1133 - United Kingdom http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1243 - France Should be – ITA, GBR, FRA http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2004 - Germany http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2147 - Switzerland Should be – GER, SUI *** http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=692 - Belgium http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2298 - United States Should be – http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2694 - Chile http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1086 - United Kingdom http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=896 - Germany Should be – CHI, GBR, GER *** http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1675 - Japan http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2247 - United States Should be – http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2737 - Germany http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=611 - Spain Should be – GER, ESP *** http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=330 - United States http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1293 - United Kingdom Should be – http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=437 - Germany http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=640 - Israel Should be – GER, ISR *** http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=797 - United States http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1996 - Germany Should be – http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2536 - Norway http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2577 - Germany Should be – NOR, GER *** 2. Bands with the similar names: Here the difference is in a diacritic sign only. I think these bands also should bear the countries codes beside them. http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1484 - Mexico http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1653 - Italy Should be – MEX, ITA *** http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=3137 - United States http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=3105 - Canada Should be – http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1078 - Sweden http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1349 - New Zealand Should be – SWE, NZL 3. Bands without the counterpart but with the country marker (for what reason?):I suggest to delete the countries codes. http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=456 - Argentina http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=131 - United Kingdom http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=163 - United States http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=176 - United States http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=240 - Germany http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2892 - United Kingdom http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=483 - United States http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1448 - Brazil Last update:
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Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: September 10 2007 at 14:41
I suppose there are bands with the same or similar names that are not prog and thus are not in the archives. That's the case of NIRVANA for instance.  ------------- "Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent." Charles Bukowski |
Fassbinder wrote:Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: September 10 2007 at 14:44
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BTW, how would you solve the case of IRON MAIDEN? We've got one IRON MAIDEN from UK and we're probably going to have another band with the same name from the same country (or do we have them already?). ------------- "Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent." Charles Bukowski |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: September 10 2007 at 15:37
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If we have two bands with the same name from the same country, there should be another determinators (or how do you say it in English?).
For example, there are two Camels in PA, differentiated by the years of activity:
(these two entries should be updated too, I think...)
There is another example:
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: September 10 2007 at 15:39
| If both the name and the years of activity are the same, you may put a subgenre as a determinator... |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: September 10 2007 at 15:41
Of course this is the case, there shouldn't be any doubt about it.
But still, I don't think we need it unless the other band (say, Nirvana of the USA) is added to PA...
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: September 10 2007 at 17:01
Superb work Fassbinder!
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: September 10 2007 at 20:14
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Also:
Ark (NO)
Ark (EN)
Now fixed!
EDIT: Both Ark share the same picture!  ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: September 10 2007 at 20:24
I've missed the Ark pair... 
Thanks, Guigo!
By the way, is it possible to move this thread to the "Errors & Omissions" section?
I think it'll be more helpful there.
Thanks in advance.
Eugene
EDIT:
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: September 10 2007 at 20:41
Done!
 BTW, I think we have to find a standard for the bands' names, some are all in capital letters and some (the majority) have only the initial as capital. Anyway, some bands like UK or IZZ, maybe should be displayed in all capitals. ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: September 10 2007 at 20:52
Thanks! (already appeared in the edit of my previous post)
Yes, maybe. The differences exist now, but they are possible to be seen only in editing zone, not in the alphabet pages and bands/artists ones. Thus, how many of the site users know that the Armenian Prog-Folk band lead by Vahan Artsruni is called ARTSRUNI and not Artsruni? -- it is impossible to see from the mentioned pages (I found that simply by chance...) Somehow all the letters become upper-cased when appearing in alphabet lists...
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: September 10 2007 at 21:12
Yes, you're right, Mr. Errors & Omissions Repairer!  ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: September 11 2007 at 13:22
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http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1484 - Mexico http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1653 - Italy Should be – MEX, ITA Done
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: September 11 2007 at 13:25
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http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1299 - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2064 - Poland Should be – ESP, POL Done (Who?)
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: September 11 2007 at 13:31
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http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=527 - Sweden http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2865 - United Kingdom Should be – SWE, GBR Done
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: September 11 2007 at 13:40
I did it as a test... ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: September 11 2007 at 13:46
On the contrary, muito obrigado (as you like to say...)!
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Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: September 11 2007 at 18:26
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Just discovered this thread ... Great work, Fassbinder!  But first of all compliment to T.Rox for drawing attention to this ...  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Rivertree" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: September 11 2007 at 18:47
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I'll go further and shall thank everyone participated in this thread (the special thanks goes to T.Rox, this goes without saying...)
I'd make all the changes myself, but I have those troubles with diacritics, my curse...
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Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: September 12 2007 at 09:21
Just let me know when some special diacritics are annoying you ...  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Rivertree" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: September 12 2007 at 09:35
It's not some specifical diacritics. It's the process which is annoying, since I have to rewrite all the diacritics.
I can do it myself, but it'll take ages. If I hadn't those settings problems, it'd took seconds. That's all...
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: September 14 2007 at 14:13
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http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=437 - Germany http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=640 - Israel Should be – GER, ISR Done
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: September 15 2007 at 15:20
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http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1141 - Netherlands http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2534 - United States Should be – |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: September 15 2007 at 15:27
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http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1102 - Germany http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2864 - Australia Should be – GER, AUS Done
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 12:30
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http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2106 - Germany http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2966 - France http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=3019 - Canada Should be – GER, FRA, CAN Done (I have no idea by whom, but done, therefore many thanks to this person!
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 17:33
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http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2960 - United States http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=902 - Brazil Should be – Done (apparently, there is a kind person around... many thanks to him (or her))!!!
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 17:40
 ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 17:45
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http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=361 - Switzerland http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=3013 - Italy Should be – SUI, ITA Done (at least, the CLEPSYDRA (SUI) part is done by me (
 ) ...) Thanks, Guigo!
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 18:01
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Would you like to mark here the corrected groups of bands, please?
It'll be very helpful...
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 18:05
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I'll do it, Eugene... the other day I was checking some details in the database and started to correct the countries' acronyms but I stopped in the letter E. ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 18:14
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It is very kind from you. You may have a look to my long post (a list, to be more precise) on the previous page -- I update it from time to time, adding a *** mark to the group of bands being corrected (I also post here each such a group in a separate post). Some names simply killing me because of the diacritics ( http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1994 - AMON DÜÜL , for example...) -- the settings on my PC don't fit the ones in the correction zone.
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 20:17
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Meanwhile, http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2536 - Norway http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2577 - Germany Should be – NOR, GER Done
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 20:29
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I can check those diacritics, umlauts, tremas, etc.
EDIT: Test done successfully with DIEGO DE MORÓN.  ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 20:36
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http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=797 - United States http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1996 - Germany Should be – Done
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 20:39
Genial!!!
should the title of the album and the name in the biography also be edited? |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 22:29
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http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=330 - United States http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1293 - United Kingdom Should be – Done
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: October 09 2007 at 20:45
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http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2737 - Germany http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=611 - Spain Should be – GER, ESP Done
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: October 09 2007 at 20:54
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http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1675 - Japan http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2247 - United States Should be – |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: October 09 2007 at 21:06
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http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2694 - Chile http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1086 - United Kingdom http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=896 - Germany Should be – CHI, GBR, GER Done
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: October 09 2007 at 21:15
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AMON DÜÜL - Krautrock - Germany
AMON DÜÜL (UK) - Krautrock - Great Britain
Should be - GER, GBR
Done
------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: October 09 2007 at 21:17
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I found this pair:
Circle (Fin) & Circle (Ger)
Just wrote FIN & GER. ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: October 09 2007 at 21:27
Didn't know whether to report about such cases or not.
I remember about Octopus (Chi) for the moment (there should be more, I just don't remember all of them). Is it possible to change it to CHI ? (the text of the bio contains my "beloved" diacritics"...
it was a reason why I kept it as it was)Thanks in advance!
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: October 09 2007 at 21:30
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Later we can put the capitals where they are missing... I updated OCTOPUS (CHI). ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: October 09 2007 at 21:33
Superb!
Can you tell me which cases may I already mark with ***?
Thanks for Octopus (CHI)!
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Posted By: T.Rox
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 16:19
Some things to fix in 'G':
------------- "Without prog, life would be a mistake." ...with apologies to Friedrich Nietzsche |
Posted By: T.Rox
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 16:22
And does this one need the country reference at all 
------------- "Without prog, life would be a mistake." ...with apologies to Friedrich Nietzsche |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 16:33
I don't want to be picky because I think this system is great, but aren't AMON DÜÜL (GBR) better known just about everywhere else as AMON DÜÜL UK? ------------- What? |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 16:53
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Ops... maybe you have reason Dean, but if we write AMON DUUL UK then the (GBR) won't be needed and the original AMON DUUL could be writen without (GER). Frankly, I discovered the British AMON DUUL only after discovering PA.
------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 17:27
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I think that since Amon Düül are all inter-related the exception is justified. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 19:31
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Thanks for paying attention, Coops! There is a long post of mine at the first page of this thread where all the (found) cases are mentioned (including those you've just posted). The changes made are inspected and the changed cases are marked in that post. The process is in progress... Eugene
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 19:35
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As for ANON DUULs -- the system were quite neat... You say the band was known everywhere as AMON DUUL UK? Then, maybe, this kind of a compromiss is possible: AMON DUUL (GBR) (aka AMON DUUL UK) AMON DUUL (GER)
AMON DUUL II
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 20:22
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^ I would suggest asking for advice from the Krautrock team (or BaldFriede) on the Amon Düüls ... IMO they are a special case because of their inter-linked history. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 20:32
A suggestion is taken to attention, thanks, Dean!
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Posted By: T.Rox
Date Posted: October 11 2007 at 06:47
Eugene, I will look at your post before adding anymore ------------- "Without prog, life would be a mistake." ...with apologies to Friedrich Nietzsche |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: October 11 2007 at 11:18
if my words sounded somewhat unpleasant -- that wasn't intended by any means.All the posts of missed cases are welcome. Also, bands are being added to PA from time to time, and there is always a chance of creating some new pairs of bands with the same name...
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Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: October 11 2007 at 17:25
You're right - I suggest to make it in this way: Amon Düül (UK) the (UK) expression is just a part of the name used for differentiating the bands. So on the other side there is even no need for Amon Düül (GER) Another tricky thing is the name of Amon Düül 2 - dominantly used as Amon Düül II but the website shows it in another way  A little appendix about the curious name: it's a combination of Amon, the Egyptian sun-god and Düül as the name of a turkish fantasy figure ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Rivertree" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: October 12 2007 at 13:08
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Meanwhile, http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=75 - Japan Should be – JPN, NOR http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=500 - Italy http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=77 - Mexico Should be – ITA, MEX http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=87 - France http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=642 - Uruguay Should be – FRA, URU all done (thanks Guigo!)
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: October 12 2007 at 13:17
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http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=871 - Chile http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2902 - France Should be – CHI, FRA http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2004 - Germany
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2147 - Switzerland Should be – GER, SUI http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=692 - Belgium http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2298 - United States Should be – Nautilus (GER) and Nautilus (SUI) share the same picture (which is, in fact, a cover of a Nautilus (SUI) album). Hence, the picture in Nautilus (GER) page is wrong and should be deleted. |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: October 12 2007 at 13:57
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http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2292 - Sweden http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2309 - Germany Should be – SWE, GER Done
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: October 12 2007 at 14:14
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http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=121 - Spain http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1271 - Australia Should be – ESP, AUS http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=122 - United Kingdom http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=749 - Germany Should be – GBR, GER Done
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Posted By: T.Rox
Date Posted: October 12 2007 at 17:40
I won't make a fool of myself with these four anymore!  ------------- "Without prog, life would be a mistake." ...with apologies to Friedrich Nietzsche |