The Who are here.....Who?
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Topic: The Who are here.....Who?
Posted By: micky
Subject: The Who are here.....Who?
Date Posted: July 21 2007 at 15:25
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yes the Who were approved for addition by our wise admin team and added today. Share your thoughts... and spare us the 70's hard rock band crap. They are in proto prog, not prog related, for their 60's work.... not for the 70's stuff.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 21 2007 at 15:38
So yes to Boris the Spider but no to Baba O'Riley ... oh well.  ------------- What? |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: July 21 2007 at 15:47
| The whole discography will be added. |
Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: July 21 2007 at 16:07
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Crap, I have always agreed with the admin. here, but this makes no sense! The who, show no influence in any bands and besides concept albums, I really see no prog in them at all! ------------- 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 21 2007 at 16:12
it makes perfect sense I'm afraid... read the bio. I make the case... what exactly do you disagree with? ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
schizoid_man77 wrote:Posted By: Evans
Date Posted: July 21 2007 at 16:12
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Try A quick one while he's away for proto prog. Seriously.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 21 2007 at 16:15
I posted the damn video of it  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Evans
Date Posted: July 21 2007 at 16:40
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Man, that video is so gat dam rockin'! The album version is slightly tamer, but i've come to apreciate it a lot more recently. Still, that performance at the rock&roll cirkus is unbelievable.
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: July 21 2007 at 16:51
| They deserve to be here. Good job on finally adding them! |
Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: July 21 2007 at 17:57
| Seems fair to me. I'd say "Tommy" is pretty important in relation to prog. |
Posted By: johnobvious
Date Posted: July 21 2007 at 18:04
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Since Quadrophenia is such a landmark album, I'll back this. But I feel for the inevitable storm coming. ------------- Biggles was in rehab last Saturday |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: July 21 2007 at 18:49
| Awesome! |
Posted By: Chicapah
Date Posted: July 21 2007 at 18:50
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Yes! Good move. ------------- "Literature is well enough, as a time-passer, and for the improvement and general elevation and purification of mankind, but it has no practical value" - Mark Twain |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: July 21 2007 at 19:02
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 21 2007 at 21:23
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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: July 21 2007 at 23:28
How does it make sense?
Pete townshend cant solo for his life
Daltrey while he is a great singer, he never seems to try and push the limit of his capabilities
Keith Moon, a phenominal and grounbraking drummer, but I seriously doubt he could drum in 6/8 because: A) I'm sure every song is in 4/4, so he has no idea what 6/8 is. B) Too drunk to even play 4/4 half the time
John Entwistle- Amazing Bass player, probably the most capable an with the most potential, no dirt on him
 Listen I love the Who, but they are basically anti prog,
AND YES, I have 3 albums and quite a few compilations! SO DONT TELL ME TO LISTEN TO ANYTHING! -------------
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 21 2007 at 23:44
you've made the case that the Who were one of the great rock ensembles, stressing teamwork rather than individual achievement... and I don't see how this negates them from being proto-progressive. |
Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: July 21 2007 at 23:50
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Okay, we have
Teamwork
concept albums
Hell, lets get pantera here! -------------
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 21 2007 at 23:55
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Pantera weren't proto-progressive... they weren't even progressive metal, taking their influences from thrash, traditional metal and other popular forms. I don't see your point.
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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: July 21 2007 at 23:59
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exactly my point of the who!
Now I dont want to shed blood, but I just popped in vulgar display of power because of you!
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 00:06
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but you haven't shown the Who to not be proto-progressive, whereas it's a fact of history that Pantera weren't related to prog in the slightest, historically or musically. In other words, they're a bad comparitive example.
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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 00:13
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Well, The Who arent realy on the top of the list either!
I really cant name a prog band that has taken influence from the who that you can hear in the muzac
And besides the underture, there is only two other songs that I knw of that hit the six minete mark! -------------
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 00:24
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bands that were proto-progressive had an influence on prog, exhibiting, and I quote, "new, sophisticated ways of playing music"
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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 00:32
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Well, I would hardly call the who new and sophisticated.
Besides Keiths drums, and maybe a couple of basslines from John, I really dont see what seperates them during the british invasion and classic rock scene -------------
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 00:40
try listening to some of their music ...
 a long overdue addition!
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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 00:41
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 00:44
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The Who Sell Out 1967
Tommy May, 1969 ..not telling you to "listen", but to consider as examples |
Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 00:47
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Tommy IMO is really not that sophisticated an "out there"
Besides the concept behind it, the music dosent stand out.
Pete Townsend wrote a good story... and? -------------
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 00:58
Pete Townsend wrote a story that the band fashioned into a complete thematic work at a level not fully realized by previous rock concept albums, such as the Ventures Colorful Ventures, Sgt. Pepper's, or Brian Wilson's Smiley Smile, each featuring loosely connected ideas but no true fable presented from beginning to end. It was an important breakthrough. |
Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 01:04
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Well you have a point there, I wont lie...
I still cant comprehend the who being consedered in the least
... but I have no more stuff to throw at you so you win
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 01:34
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Aw poo...I'm too late. ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 01:34
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It got intense! -------------
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 01:38
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Well, just as long as nobody got hurt...or changed the lyrics to "Barbra O'Reilly" too much...it's okay by me. I'm going to take it you're not so happy with the inclusion of the Who here? ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 01:39
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No I'm quite upset, they are not prog.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 01:41
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hey schitzoid, you actually put up a very decent argument
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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 01:43
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really thanks actveritoncjd]
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 01:46
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Schizo, might I suggest that you screw Tommy and go straight for the Quad? The songs tend to be longer (barring the over-and-underture), and they're fairly layered. Sometimes complex even. And I think you need to remember that Townshead is just as pretentious as all the young dudes who play "real" prog. ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 01:48
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I have quad.
A good album, but it seems all the songs are just verse, chorus, verse
But Doll-tree's voice is at it's best on this album -------------
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 01:54
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Really now? True, some of the numbers are less ambitious, but stuff like "Doctor Jimmy," "Sea and Sand," even "Cut My Hair" are more layered than your standard pop material. ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 01:55
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I guess
My favirote is probably drowned -------------
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 02:00
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Favorite for "complexity," or favorite off the album? ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 08:23
Rush were heavily influenced by The Who. I can even hear The Who on Moving Pictures...especially Red Barchetta. They are an obvious addition, probably the least controversial in real terms of any of the recent proto/prog-related additions. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 09:42
see you've already had a discussion with David, but let me elaborate a few points... first off I didn't tell you to LISTEN to anything...I asked you to read the bio and tell me what is wrong with it. Your viewpoint here, and later on in the thread is one of a narrow view of prog. Prog has never been solely about song length and metric complexity. If that is how you judge prog, you will never agree with The Who or other groups here, but you are free to see prog as you wish. However you'll miss the whole point about what prog was about. Those things you mentioned, are byproducts of prog... not what makes prog... prog. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 11:14
Good to see them here at last! 
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 11:18
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Schizoid...we never said The Who were prog....we said it influenced prog, for example: Chris Squire's bass playing is mainly influenced by Entwistle's bass playing. |
Posted By: Greg W
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 11:31
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Well I made my arguments a long time ago about the Beatles. I thought it set a dangerous precedent for many undeserving bands to show up here in the archives and from I see, I must say I was absolutely correct(as usual) in thinking so. ....but now that it's done , I really don't think think The Who being added here is any worse than ELO,Deep Purple, Blue Oyster Cult, Led Zeppelin and so on...
To read that the creator of this thread feels only the 60's warranted mentioning, I must ask "What about Quadropenia?"
I have always thought their early 70's output was a better example of Proto Prog or Prog Related than their 60's marerial.
Anyways, they are here, and I suppose why not? As Tony R said...Rush sounds just like them.
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Posted By: moonlapse
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 12:55
Yeah. The floodgates are open all right. Haven't been here in a while, and I see reviews of The Who and The Doors on the front page. Heh - I think this place has flipped its lid  If The Who or The Doors or any of these other bands really had anything to do with prog, why did it take so long for them to be added? Jimi Hendrix was prog too. The Airplane. The Dead. Black Oak Arkansas and Jim Dandy! You name it, they're prog baby! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 13:25
Rush sound like The Who?
Tcah!
Anyaway,,,The Who are here...shame really, this site is starting to suck.
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Posted By: Samir
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 13:28
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Great band i guess they influenced prog in some way, but i believe this site is becoming less progressive than ever, i saw Blind Guardian here, funny. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 13:29
I agree and that's my main problem, in their early stages The Who were a Mod band, aggressive, close to the roots of Rock & Roll, etc, if they were something they were Proto Punk.
Pete Townshend in "The Kids are Alright" says clearly that when they added Pinball Wizard to Tommy, the album ceased to be a Rock Opera and more a Pop Opera".
If we are going to add bands that influenced Prog but not exclusively, lets add Chuck Berry or Little Richard,...Who can deny this two musicians influenced EVRYTHING after them much more than The Who?
What about The Rolling Stones? Who can deny they influenced later bands or that Their Satanic majesties Request is a cornerstone of Prog Psyche?
The list of barely Prog bands mentioned is endless, but in the meanwhile the Art Rock team is strugling to check really Prog bands and find them a new home because nobody wants them, while we try to help them but of course it's not much we can do because we have our own business.
We know that is hard, tedious and very tiresome because we did it, and they will receive critics as we did in our moment, but they are doing a real work for Prog.
So while a group of members break their mailto:b@lls - b@lls checking hundreed of Prog bands with a bit of help, the site keeps adding non Prog bands as if it was the main goal.
Then we will have to ask all Punk pages to retire The Who because they claim this band is the greatest influence for Punk.
Another contradiction, the closest The Who came to Prog was in Quadrophenia nad that's in October 19, 1973, so they can't be in Proto Prog, they should be in Prog Related, despite calling The Whi}o related to anything is almost a discredit for them who are icons of Classic Rock.
But they are here, we can't do a thing, hope we start to care more about real Prog bands than about bands that could or could not have influenced Prog, because if we open the gates we could have a flood of POP.
Now I have another problem, I'm a fan of The Who and IMHO "Who''s Next" is one of the top 10 albums of all times, but I can't rate it with more than 3 stars. because as everybody has posted before, they are not a Prog band, and for that reason they can't be an: ESSENTIAL MASTERPIECE OF PROGRESSIVE MUSIC NEITHER AN EXCELLENT ADDITION TO ANY PROG MUSIC COLLECTION.
In a classic Rock site I will give this album 5 or 10 stars if possible, here I'm restrained to 3 stars Good but not Essential, because nobody sane can claim this album is essential for Prog.
But they are here, sadly the sky is not the limit, only three weak stars.
Iván
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 14:01
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This may be the lat time I ever post about a proto, or related addition. I would like to say it will be the last, but the future hasn't happened yet.
We spend way too much time over these bands that everyone has heard so much, they can recite every lyric. Maybe they belong here, maybe not. That's not the point. As Ivan said, there are those of us that work very hard on actual prog bands. The list of new submissions never disappears. What happened to the element of discovery? I love the Who, but I've been inundated by them since I was a kid. There are great new artists, and old undiscovered gems to be found. However, we who work with these seem to be in a very small club. While the bulk of the membership argues about The Who being here, and getting Cream in next, we are looking at someone like Laurent Thibault (former member of Magma), or Anton Roolaart (who happens to be a member). Let's get back to the true purpose of the site, promoting the genre we love. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 14:20
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For once I am agreeing with Ivan
EVERY SINGLE thing he said is true!
I will never rate a non prog band anything higher than a three, I have already stated that on a couple of my reviews! -------------
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 15:39
Yes, explain that to the newbie who comes to PROG ARCHIVES to search for PROG MUSIC and finds ten reviews of THE WHO in the front page.
The first thing they will think is "Hey, the Who are a Prog band" you may try to explain him they are not Prog but influential, but they won't understand, specially if they know My Generation or See Me Feel Me.
Now imagine the real PROGHEAD that comes to PROG ARCHIVES to search for PROG BANDS and finds the same ten reviews about THE WHO, he knows THE WHO are not PROG, so he will simply leave to search the Proggnosis, Progressive Ears or GEPR database.
In any case we are not educating anybody, we're confusing the newbie and loosing some progheads.
But everybody member has it's own priority, as HT, I will avoid Proto Prog and Prog Related additions, but first will make a campaign to move Peter Gabriel from Prog Related, such an influential musician for Prog doesn't deserve to be lumped with ASIA, Be Bop Deluxe or Super Furry Animals.
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 15:53
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It's true that the front page will probably have plenty of Who reviews for a short while. The same happened with The Beatles, Radiohead, Led Zeppelin and many other controversial additions.
The initial flood subsides very quickly though, we see very few new reviews of those bands now.
I have been surprised how few Who reviews there have been so far.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 15:55
hahahha.. and just who the hell decides what is prog Ivan... you? It is a collaborative site, and the site reflects the diverse views here. If people don't agree, they are free to find a site that reflects their narrow view of prog. the owners and admins think differently as far as educating... we provide the info and let people make up there own minds. As far as Gabriel.....the AR team has been considering moving Gabriel and others for some time now. We discussed it months ago and put it on hold. When art rock is reorganized, we proposed moving artists from PR that simply don't belong there. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 15:56
They were also an influence on RIO/Avant prog. Chris Cutler, Charles Hayward and Dave Smith (Guapo) have all cited The Who as influential, partly for Moon's drumming but also for the way that the early singles like My Generation and Anyway, Anywhere, Anyhow incorporated passages of almost pure avant noise.
If anybody has any serious problems with The Who, listen to Who's Next; easily the closest they came to prog, with long songs, lush keyboard/synth sounds and even the remains of Pete Townsend's Lifehouse concept holding it all together. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 16:00
I guess they innovated something about the ARP Synthesizer in their two tracks from "Who Next". ALthough if you say that and you also say something like "forget about the Berlin School of electronic movement ever having even planned to use something like that, at that time" (like I've read in a review), you plain ignorant to what was "rumbling" in progressive electronic, at "that time". 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 16:02
that is the funny thing I don't understand HT... just who spends just how much time on these bands. The Who for example were proposed months ago by me, and not pushed until the admins asked whether they should take a vote on it. That kind of talk is what burns peoples asses.... look at how many prog groups Raff added to this site, yet she adds some groups that are are PR and she gets accused of doing nothing but pushing her favorite bands. Honestly HT the other thing that is wasted here is all the bitching about the PP/PR addtions.... the last one was months ago.. when BOC was added. How many prog bands have been added since then.... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 16:11
I only had time time to add the first 3 last night and have been busy today, don't think the 'popular' albums have been added yet. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 16:18
Even the supporters of the Who addition agree THE WHO ARE NOT PROG, they are influential to everything, so it's not my point of view.
But who cares, while some people priorize adding their favorite non Prog band to Prog Related and Proto Prog, we´ll keep adding real Prog bands to Symphonic.
Iván -------------
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 16:26
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 16:32
No Micky, what my team considers Symphonic, a team of which you were part for seven months. And a team that has done an organized work step by step, without ever resigning or leaving behind to join a new project.
But again, it's better to forget about Proto Prog and Prog Related for some of us.
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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 16:46
Okay, but what makes the who prog in any way?
I know what prog is, and the who dont sound anything like any of the prog bands I listen to.
Yeah, Pete townshead uses syunthesizers sometimes, big deal. I hear no prog, at all in any way
I have already discussed this with actocjkfir, so I rfuse to argue about it anymore! -------------
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 17:01
| Ivan, Micky, let's not re-open old wounds. I'm sure you're both big enough to respect each others opinions, and the right to hold them. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 22:05
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Ot's just unfair there isn't a category called proto-prog-metal....
If we're to find every proto-prog band ever, we'll end with Elvis here... But when THE band that really influenced most prog-metal bands in the planet got mentioned, it was like WWII....
Yes, le'ts bring The rolling Stones... what's to lose anyway... -------------
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Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 22:08
| What ban would that be? I would say Iron Maiden would be THE proto prog metal band since every prog metal interview I've heard features the artist citing Maiden. Do you mean The Who? They certainly influenced heavy prog, but I wouldn't consider them THE band. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 22:09
the Stones didn't influence prog rock bands in nearly the same way, if at all. The Who composed the first complete rock fable... there's a difference. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 22:11
I think he means Dream Theater, but it was indeed Maiden who most significantly influenced progressive metal... |
Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 22:12
| but DT IS prog metal. Even if they helped make it popular, it was Queensryche, Watchtower, and Maiden that really laid the foundations |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 22:18
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No... I meant Metallica... When I started the thread in the "Suggest bands" section, we got like 15 pages or replies, most of them against the inclusion, but a few (and, I have to say it, the most musical opinions) in favor... I just mention this because I think that band's influence in prog-metal bands is greater than The Who's in prog-rock bands... But anyway, the site Owners rejected Metallica, so that's case closed... I just mentioned this because it seems to me it's just unfair that prog-metal, probably today's most successful prog genre (in terms of amount of bands specially, some of them great, but also in popularity...le'ts not argue about this, please, I'm ready to accept this not to be 100% true but it's not my point) has only ONE band listed in the site (Iron Maiden) which can be called proto-prog-metal....
Anyway, no problem. I don't lose anything with The Who being here... -------------
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Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 22:19
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Ah. I thought it would be wither Maiden or the Bay Area boys. I support Metallica's inclusion, but why discuss it in the Who thread? |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 22:25
You're right... But it's just a point about the unfairness with prog-metal, the overwhelming amount of non-prog proto-prog bands that get included, meanwhile prog-metal, I insist, has ONE proto band...
Let's not discuss the matter then...
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Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 22:25
there need not be proto prog metal there is prog and there is metal together they combine into prog metal. the prog influence is prog, the metal influence is metal. If any metal band deserves a spot it is motorhead, after all lemmy was in hawkwind. ------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 22:30
interesting point, though I don't recall any Motorhead material that was influential on ProgMetal.. more a candidate for Prog Related. |
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 22:49
Plenty of prog bands have been added, but how much discussion about them has there been? That is my point. There is way too much energy spent on discussions about proto and related additions. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 23:22
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I for one applaud the addition of The Who as a proto-prog band. Were The Who prog?
Of course not. But they were an important influence upon the development of prog., and that should be plenty of reason to get them listed.
When I look at the bands that are listed in the proto-prog category, I only have a problem with one of them that I familiar with being listed, because I can't for the life of me think of anybody they influenced. That's ok. We'll chalk that down to a difference of opinion.
It's the prog-related category that really gets to me.
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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: July 22 2007 at 23:30
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I think calling the who more progressive than peter gabriel solo is a crime and will be a major deciding factor in purgatory!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok I'm done with this thread plz dont throw any rocks! -------------
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: July 23 2007 at 00:33
I'm glad you are on my side. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: July 23 2007 at 00:37
You know you have a point there.
I think PG should at least be in Art Rock...although I guess with the sites new guidelines for such things he wouldn't fit...  ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: July 23 2007 at 02:44
IMO Motörhead are are a really fabulous heavy rock'n'roll group, but I don't think there are much more realtions with prog by them, except Lemmy being a influental ex-member in Hawkwind. I actually saw a nice concert from the Hawkies few years ago in Ruisrock, and as Motörs were playing there too, they had a encore song when Lemmy rejoined them and the played "Silver Machine" together for a long time. Great show!
Sorry for wandering bit offtopic, but thought to ask about the essence of prog related artists. Should ex-prog band artistis (like Phil Collins), now doing non-prog music, be included in prog related?
 The current genre definition:
Rock and Pop Bands and Artists after 1970 who were not truly “prog” (as that term is generally and broadly defined, even by the site), but who were clearly not “mainstream” or simply “rock” bands.
A wide subgenre that encompasses two kinds of bands/artist, that either consist of progressive artist that strayed away from their progressive roots into mainstream rock or were influenced by progressive rock. Even though the music by these artists is sometimes unrelated it had things in common with prog music in that it was very structured and even adventurous, sometimes hard or heavy, sometimes mellow, strong melodies, good hooks are an integral part of most of the material. Sometimes these artists pioneered other rock genres. Though most of these artist can't really be considered progressive themselves, their relation to progressive music is not to be underestimated. Garion81 |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 23 2007 at 02:52
 I wasn't suggesting Motorhead should be here Eetu, just describing ProgRelated in relation to them, as they came up
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: July 23 2007 at 02:57
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I think Ween should totally be in the archives. ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: July 23 2007 at 03:13
Yeah I know, neither was I... Just thinking aloud.
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Posted By: meinmatrix
Date Posted: July 24 2007 at 11:03
Live at Leeds, 25 years Deluxe edition, has entire "Tommy" played live. Performance is amazing and it reminds me of later Pink Floyd work The Wall. Great to have The Who in band list they really deserve it. ------------- 
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Posted By: moodyxadi
Date Posted: July 25 2007 at 21:05
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Good fight between team members. And miracleously nobody called this a "negative" thread.
Love the Who, but their connection with prog is just the conceptual albums. But if they are here, I wanna see the great Grand Funk (Loneliness, Closer to Home/I'm your captain) and ABBA (Lay all your love on me, Fernando, Thank you for the music, Gimme gimme gimme) ------------- Bach, Ma, Bros, Déia, Dante. |
Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: July 25 2007 at 21:08
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 25 2007 at 21:10
YES!!!!!!! I have dibs on adding ABBA ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: July 25 2007 at 21:11
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Oh man, I was gonna add ABBA. Oh well, consider this my present to you on your bday |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 25 2007 at 21:16
thanks..... they'll have to wait till I finally add Duran Duran to proto prog-pop. I've had the bio ready for more than a year now... just waiting for Tony to tell me to add them. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 25 2007 at 21:17
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no one's ever heard of BABA, the ELP-ABBA cover band ?
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Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: July 25 2007 at 21:18
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I so call Flock of Seagulls. I've already written two bios, one for the band and one for their hair
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 26 2007 at 16:55
must have missed that one.... oh.. and A Flock of Seagulls is a real oversight here... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: R o V e R
Date Posted: July 26 2007 at 17:02
Who cares?
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: July 29 2007 at 18:20
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Meby they didetn have the typical prog sound but boy did they progress lisen to the first who album from 65 and then quadrophenia from 73 and you will find there have been some changes.. then lisen to the rolling stones debut from 63 i think it is and then exil on main street from 72 and you will hear that the there sure is a difrens but not the big not that big progression realy compered to the who and that is what prog is all about not having lots of keyboards solos and writing songs about elfs and giant hogweeds its about pushing your sound and make it bigger and beter and trying new things and thats what the who did and why they are proto prog IMO. ------------- 
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Posted By: docsolar
Date Posted: July 30 2007 at 00:41
True! In Art-Rock! They are purely progressive music when they want to be! ------------- 
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Posted By: ClashWho
Date Posted: September 18 2007 at 05:14
I'm curious, how exactly do you characterize "Baba O'Riley", a song that starts with thirty seconds of nothing but blazingly fast, interlocking organ arpeggios, overlays monolithic powerchords and then morphs into an Irish jig on amphetamines? That's not progressive? There's been nothing like it before or since. |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: September 24 2007 at 19:33
Geez, when I read your description the first thing that popped into my mind was BTO's Lowland Fling (from Four Wheel Drive). Acoustic guitar intro & outro built around a reel, with a pounding boogie rifforama main song. BTO for inclusion in the heavy prog , maybe ? ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: September 24 2007 at 19:40
...What? 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: September 24 2007 at 19:43
Don't do it or we'll be forced to send you a bunch of durian.
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: September 24 2007 at 19:52
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Who's next? The Kinks, natch!
Do it. Add 'em.
Be fair: all (half-way decent) 60s - 70s rock is RELATED to prog. Prog was a sub-genre of rock -- not the other way around!  ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |