The New 7 Wonders
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Topic: The New 7 Wonders
Posted By: Atkingani
Subject: The New 7 Wonders
Date Posted: July 07 2007 at 20:23
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After posting I realized that the only "modern" wonder is The Christ... those that came before us are still ahead, no? Or maybe the votation should be split, one for the survival wonders of the past and another for the most recent wonders (Sidney's Opera, Eiffel Tower, Statue of Liberty, The Christ, etc). ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China - China 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan - Jordan 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_de_Janeiro - Rio de Janeiro , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil - Brazil 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuzco - Cuzco , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per%C3%BA - Perú 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucat%C3%A1n - Yucatán , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico - Mexico 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome - Rome , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy - Italy 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agra - Agra , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India - India Replies:
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: July 07 2007 at 20:51
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I am really happy with this decision, of course regarding Chichen Itza!!!
Congrats Guigo, i also voted for Christ Redeemer! Taj Mahal and Machu Picchu are well deserved winners, i would love to be there someday ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: July 07 2007 at 21:06
It's the acknowledgment that the Ancient Civilizations of the Americas were au pair with those of Asia, Europe & North Africa, Memo.
 The more we know about Native Americans that lived from Alaska to Tierra Del Fuego the more we get surprised. Even the Tupis that lived (and still live) in the coast of Brazil, even considered "primitive" had a much more sophisticated society than thought initially.  ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
memowakeman wrote:Posted By: limeyrob
Date Posted: July 08 2007 at 08:51
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Seems a bit of a daft one this. From what I can gather it was a voting system to decide. Of course people are going to vote for their local feature.
I'm sure there are more worthier winners that didn't get considered as they had too few votes
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 08 2007 at 08:54
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thought the Christ the Redeemer one was a bit odd... a '7th wonder of the world'? ...hmmm... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: July 08 2007 at 08:58
| I couldn't vote because the site didn't work for me. But these are pretty good choices, except for Colosseum, which I don't agree with really. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 08 2007 at 09:03
oh really.... how many years has that stood... nearly 2000 years a wonder of world indeed ...a testament to Roman engineering. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: July 08 2007 at 09:24
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That's the reason the choice should be split: the real new ones and the survival ones. The Colosseum and the Great Wall are in a league apart from The Christ or the Taj Mahal (also relatively "young"). ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Frasse
Date Posted: July 08 2007 at 09:33
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I voted for Chichen Itza as a replacements for the Pyramids at Giza. Christ Redeemer as a replacement for The Statue of Zeus Statue of Liberty for the Colossus of Rhodes Taj Mahal for The Mausoleum of Halikarnassos The Eiffel Tower for the Pharos Lighthouse The Great Wall of China for the Hanging Gardens of Babylon (Sometimes this wonder was replaced by the Walls of Babylon.) St. Basil for the Artemis Temple at Ephesos Quite boring that most of the finalists already are in ruins... Christ Redeemer and Taj Mahal are the only ones of the winners who aren't. |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: July 08 2007 at 11:57
| Any such vote is going to be swayed by local preferences I guess. That said, the choices are good, although I would have thought the Pyramid should be there (even though they were one of the original 7 wonders). |
Posted By: Paradox
Date Posted: July 08 2007 at 12:16
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Aren't the Pyramids included as an 'honourary' wonder? I think that means they will always be considered a wonder, and quite rightly. The only conclusions i can make from this 'election' is that the human race is exceptionally resourceful and clever. Lets give ourselves a pat on the back, but at the same time remembering we still have a long, long way to go... ------------- 
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: July 08 2007 at 12:27
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No, because the Pyramyds are one of the original Seven Wonders and the issue was looking for a different seven ones.
Not so swayed on local preferences, because the vote format was only accepted if you voted for seven different ones, so it was hard to vote for the one you wanted without voting for oither six that also deserved the mention.
I voted for most of them, except that I voted for The Alhambra and the Acropolis instead of Christ Redeemer and Chichen Itza.
Of course I voted for Machu Picchu, but not only for being Peruvian, I believe it deserves to be there.
Frasse wrote:
Not accurate Frasse, Chichen Itza is almost intact and Machu Picchu is absolutely intact becaue it was the only Inca City not found, robbed and destroyed by the Spanish conquerors being that it is surrounded by jungle and discivered only in 1911 by Hiram Bingham, the only thing missing are the roofs because they were made of straw and this matereial won't last centuries, there is a debate in the National Institute of Culture if placing the straw roofs or leaving it as it was left by the Incas.
I believe Petra neither The Great Wall are in ruins either, the only one partially destroyed by time is The Colloseum.
Iván
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Posted By: limeyrob
Date Posted: July 08 2007 at 12:34
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^^
My apologies. Next time I'll get my facts straight
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Posted By: markosherrera
Date Posted: July 08 2007 at 14:24
| pyramids of teotihuacan are underrateds |
Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: July 08 2007 at 15:56
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It's hard not to agree with UNESCO's criticism that the results reflect "only the opinions of those with access to the internet". It's not a bad list, by any means. Though I'd have liked to have seen Stonehenge make the list. It might not be the most aesthetically pleasing of the nominees, but it's really remarkable once you stop and think about the skills needed to construct it of 5000 years ago. |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: July 08 2007 at 16:15
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Before you argue for or against the final 7 chosen, remember this - most "voters" are likely not aware of all the possible candidates - Angkor Vat, Bay of Fundy tides, the Vatican (specifically St Peter's) the mosque of the Golden dome, or Mecca & its pilgrimage sites, the Panama Canal, and many others. So as with many "polls", they make for interesting discussions, but reflect limited popular will, at best.
------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: July 08 2007 at 17:04
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I voted for my... erm... "forum member". ------------- ¡Beware of the Bee! |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: July 08 2007 at 17:50
Shouldn't Hackett's solo from "Firth Of Fifth" be in there? 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 08 2007 at 17:55
actually.... the Coloseum was not partially destroyed by time. In the 16th Century the aristocratic families of Rome used sites like the Coloseum as 'quarries' for their own homes. It wasn't time that partially destoyed it. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: July 08 2007 at 18:12
Of course that wars, inculture and disrespect destroy monuments, that's why I said time and not nature.
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Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: July 08 2007 at 18:45
I believe that's how the Great Wall of China has been partially destroyed, too. |
Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: July 08 2007 at 19:31
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Ok, so time is kicking my behind... ¿Am I complainig?... and, ¿people all over the world is worried about it?. No. ¿Why don't you prog archives people take the issue of my destruction more seriously and quit thinking about this random list of things that are worth seeing, listed or not?. ------------- ¡Beware of the Bee! |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 08 2007 at 20:55
hmmmm....I love this game... are you..... the amazon rainforest? ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: July 08 2007 at 21:39
You are right, in my case I only seen three of them (Plan to see the rest in the next years),:
Machu Picchu: Worth to see it, magnifiscent
Chichen Itza: Also amazing
Corcovado Christ: Not a wonder IMHO but it's impressive anyway.
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: July 10 2007 at 03:49
It's always amazed me that the Colosseum gets all the attention, yet a larger and better preserved amphitheatre such as that in El Djem, central Tunisia has always been ignored: 
We've have been there a few times, and it's spectacular; Vicky maintains the state of preservation far exceeds that of it's more famous counterpart in Rome, with the added bonus of virtually no tourism & certainly no traffic. One of the great forgotten monuments... ------------- 
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 10 2007 at 04:00
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^ that's probably why it is better preserved. ------------- What? |
Posted By: andu
Date Posted: July 10 2007 at 04:40
Myself I find the Colosseum as being at the middle of the road between a pile of rocks and an architectural monument. Just look at it. On the other hand, there's the Pantheon. A huge building, that would be difficult to build even with today's technology. It massively displays a fundamental architectural element that was invented by the romans and testifies their engineering genius: a dome. And unlike the Colosseum, it's perfectly preserved, despite having this much more complex, and theoretically fragile, structure.     ------------- "PA's own GI Joe!" 
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Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: July 10 2007 at 17:28
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Its a truly awful list... Its a shame ------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 10 2007 at 17:35
 I was blown away seeing that ... nice post. Probably didn't have the 'pizaz' factor. Even some cat down in North Carolina would recognize the Coloseum for what it is... while some might think the Pantheon was the state house in Raleigh  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Evans
Date Posted: July 10 2007 at 17:44
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I spotted this thread just as i was listening to Fleetwood Mac- Seven wonders on youtube.. really trippy.
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Posted By: andu
Date Posted: July 10 2007 at 17:57
Thank you, but the credit is due to the romans rather than the post.  You do have a good point - there aren't many things that resemble the Colosseum, like so many neo-classical or pseudo-classical buildings resemble the Pantheon. Anyway, my personal choice would have been the Saint Sophia in Constantinopole: pretty old (6th century, late Roman era), great architectural solution (a dome over a basilic) and very difficult to achieve (actually it was so difficult, that the first attempt failed - the first dome crashed after the opening) with the time's technology, very beautiful to the eye (superb mosaics included), and with high spiritual relevance for now two, not just one, major religions. ------------- "PA's own GI Joe!"
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Posted By: markosherrera
Date Posted: July 11 2007 at 13:14
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Posted By: emdiar
Date Posted: July 11 2007 at 14:36
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7 seems a bit of an arbitrary number to restrict a list of wonders to. Stonehenge beats Christ the Redeemer by a long chalk in my book. Why? Well, lets face it, the latter was built last century out of re-enforced concrete and soapstone. Whoopee doo. What couldn't we do by then? Piece of p*ss. The former was built some 5000 yrs ago out of stone dragged from Wales to England over hill and dale (not to mention the river Severn) and to top it all, the ancient Brits managed to work out how to set it up to be the greatest astronomical device of pre-history, marking the equinoxes to this day. Does it get a look in? No, some bloody great monument to the most imperial religion ever manages to keep an iconic paganist structure from its rightful place. Not for the first time either. ------------- Perception is truth, ergo opinion is fact. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 11 2007 at 16:54
 Anywho - the Colosseum and the Pantheon are both Roman, the Colosseum is only about 50 years older and by comparison is not that well constructed.
I agree - the achievements of a few men with copper tools is far more impressive than something manufactured with modern technology and a thumping great crane. Though personnaly I would place the Stone Circle at Avebury or the Standing Stones at Carnac over Stonehenge.
The original Wonders of the World were selected by two ancient Greeks who based their list on the monuments in their locality, and no Neolithic monuments were chosen, and as we know, only one of those now remain. When travel became more wide-spread in the 16th century, a new list was created (called the 7 wonders of the Middle Ages)
Stonehenge
Colosseum Catacombs of Kom el Shoqafa Great Wall of China Porcelain Tower of Nanjing Hagia Sophia Leaning Tower of Pisa ------------- What? |