Should Nightwish be featured on this site
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Topic: Should Nightwish be featured on this site
Posted By: billyshears'67
Subject: Should Nightwish be featured on this site
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 20:20
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Plain and simple, Nightiwish is not prog. They are more pop then they are prog, I mean c'mon. Yes, they are currently infiltrating the confines of our dearly beloved. Let's take care of this site. Cheers |
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Posted By: Possessed
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 20:23
| C'mon. Go eat some Hot Rats. Mmmm mmm good. |
Posted By: billyshears'67
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 20:26
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A brief description of Nightwish's sound... Nightwish is melodic pop/metal with operatic vocals. If you're from Europe than surely you've heard of them. They're pretty darn big over there. Peace & take care |
Posted By: Captain Fudge
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 08:44
They're music for teenage goth whores who senslessly slash their veins and say that God doesn't exist.  I got to know a whole damn lot------------- 
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Posted By: Pixel Pirate
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 08:57
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Since I have all Nightwish albums and think they're great,that must mean I'm a teenage goth whore. Hmm,I genuinely didn't know that. Thank god for Prog Archives,otherwise where would I be? Might have to resort to start thinking for myself! ------------- Odi profanum vulgus et arceo. |
Posted By: JCProg
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 09:03
Don’t Know ’Em. 
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Posted By: Pixel Pirate
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 09:18
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Yeah,right. ------------- Odi profanum vulgus et arceo. |
JCProg wrote:
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 11:33
| Used to like them, now I'm indifferent. But I'd never have called them prog. |
Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 12:05
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I prefer listen to Nightwish than listen to Styx... I prefer listen to my mother in low screaming at me than listen to Styx, in the other hand. ------------- Please forgive me for my crappy english! |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 12:12
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I think I've only heard a song or two from them and it SUCKED so I voted NO! |
Posted By: Eemu Ranta
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 12:55
"Sucking" doesn't equal non-prog. I rate their first album quite high, after that it became a keyboard show. The rest of the albums just have a few long-lived songs each. Not prog though. |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 14:27
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I'm not sure what the aim of this poll is. We know that once bands are added to the site, they are not removed. If you don't like them, just ignore them. If you don't think they're prog, say so if you like. By why the poll? Personally, I think there is enough pomp and adventure to their music to make them a marginal case for inclusion. |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 16:11
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i dont see why people even like them! the songs i heard of a recent album with a silver cover just sounded like bad christmas carols! no prog at all! ------------- The Worthless Recluse 
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Posted By: billyshears'67
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 16:45
I respect your right to opposition, but I recently got the 80's rock band AUTOGRAPH emitted from the site and they had been featured on the site. So it is possible for bands to be removed. For those who think I completely dislike NIGHTWISH, well, I don't. I even went to see them live, but I accept them for what they are. Peace & take care  |
Posted By: Aaron
Date Posted: March 02 2005 at 13:00
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i just wish we could remove all the progressive metal bands on this site, save for maybe a few bands that arent always considered metal, like dream theater honestly, i am listening to the two Devin Townsend tracks available on this site, this is prog? um no I still can't believe Iced Earth was being considered, I dont give a sh*t that that Gettysburgh song is wicked long. Manowar has a thirty minute long song No, I don't think Manowar is prog, but they are a hell of a lot more prog than f**king Nightwish. I still say you might as well throw Black Sabbath in the Prog Metal section, although not a prog band, they are a tons more prog than f**king Nightwish. ok, on a serious note, despite the fact I think we should yank the entire Prog Metal section off this site, if it stays I do believe Blind Guardian should be added. I would say their last three albums were prog metal and each release is becoming more and more progressive. Their whole career has progressed to a more sophisticated form. Listen to their first album and their last, you wouldnt believe it was the same band. Just listen to And then their was silence... edit: on top of that Blind Guardian have played a bunch of forms of metal; speed, thrash, power, folk, and symphonic oh f**king f**k Aaron |
Posted By: Beau Heem
Date Posted: March 02 2005 at 13:09
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No-one in Finland seems to know Nightwish. ------------- --No enemy but time-- |
Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: March 02 2005 at 13:13
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Yeah, never heard. I wonder what kind of music they do?
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Posted By: Beau Heem
Date Posted: March 02 2005 at 13:18
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No seriously. Please don't consider Nightwish to be Finnish, they are Scandinavian... With reference to http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3559&TPN=2 - another thread ------------- --No enemy but time-- |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: March 02 2005 at 13:18
I wish they would remove all the bands I dont like from the site too! ------------- 
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: March 02 2005 at 14:26
..And all the people!
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Posted By: Calvo
Date Posted: March 08 2005 at 08:30
| From my point of view, Nightwish is a power metal band with some progressive elements. I don't think that Nightwish should be is this site. |
Posted By: Jim Prog Wizard
Date Posted: March 09 2005 at 05:56
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Blind Guardian should be on the archives long before anyone like Nightwish gets on. BG have genuine progressive elements in their music. Nightwish are merely symphonic metal with operatic vocals. Big difference. The most prog thing Nightwish have ever done is cover Pink Floyd. ------------- "Progressive Rock is the ultimate form of music" (Mikael Akerfeldt, 2003) |
Posted By: Radioactive Toy
Date Posted: March 09 2005 at 07:38
Indeed listen to ELP for example
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Posted By: arkitek
Date Posted: March 09 2005 at 11:13
My opinion is that Nightwish are a Gothic Band and should Not be onthis forum
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Posted By: Aaron
Date Posted: March 09 2005 at 11:43
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there certainly are a crap load of NO's, so what should we do about this? Aaron |
Posted By: Metropolis
Date Posted: March 09 2005 at 11:46
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I really like them, but I do agree that they don't belong here
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Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: March 09 2005 at 11:58
REMOVE THEM! People who are writing crappy reviews like "This band is not prog" do it in the wrong manner, but I think they are right. |
Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: March 10 2005 at 03:23
| Nightwish are nothing more than a heavy metal band with keyboards. |
Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: April 05 2005 at 05:47
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I am draging this up again because I am intensely annoyed at the sl*gging off of Nightwish. They should be on this site! They are prog power metal and a heap sight more listenable to than some of the other groups mentioned here. What is wrong with power metal - Nightwish style or is it that they have an enormously talented female lead vocalist, who easily rates with some of our favourite male lead vocalists in prog? I say 'Nightwish" stays and groups like TMV should go. Perhaps there should be a discussion as to the advantages and disadvantages of having such a male dominated music genre in which female artists are 'generally' excluded . It is great to see prog groups today including and using a female as a lead vocalist and promoting them as such. And they are doing a fine job of it too ------------- 
"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence" - Robert Fripp |
Posted By: geezer
Date Posted: April 05 2005 at 06:30
| This debate is quite useless. All the hatred is because they have become very popular. If they were not popular nobody would care if they are in this site or not. It's a matter of taste. I wonder why there is not a debate why these oher popular bands like Porcupine Tree and Radiohead are in this site? I don't think these bands are progressive at all!! Everything I have heard from PT since "The Sky Moves Sideways" and all Radiohead is just british pop music to me. They belong to the same category as Oasis and Blur. This is just my opinion on some other "popular" bands. There is tons of bands in this site that many people don't consider progressive, not only Nightwish. As you can see it is quite useless. A matter of taste. |
Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: April 05 2005 at 06:35
I can only laugh at you saying that Nightwish is prog and TMV is not. That is the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a while. And another point: there's nothing wrong with power metal, I just often find it too cheesy for my taste; but I do enjoy many power metal bands. But the point is that power metal is not prog. |
Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: April 05 2005 at 06:36
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Some very good points there, Geezer and you are right it is a matter of taste - it doesn't pay to be popular in the prog world does it ? -------------
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: April 05 2005 at 06:41
It may be ridiculous to you but it is just as ridiculous to me that TMV can even come close to being prog. What I have heard of them does not impress me in the least. However this is just going to go around in circles so lets agree to disagree ok? -------------
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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: April 05 2005 at 07:41
Consider this: The Mars Volta have very long songs (up to 32min!) and the mellotron! If that doesn't make a band prog, then what does??? |
Posted By: Gentle Ronnie
Date Posted: April 05 2005 at 09:00
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If effort was spent to get the band on the website, then they should as well stay here forever. |
Posted By: Petra
Date Posted: April 05 2005 at 09:15
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Well I voted yes to Nightwish but I agree with a couple of others here that Blind Guardian should be here too if Nightwish is. I think the problem with a lot of people that dont agree with Nightwish being here is they just don't like Metal full stop and cannot see the prog elements because they are blinded by this idea that prog has be of just one certain style. A lot of Prog rock snobs basically! I think its brilliant that so many more bands are in this site than 6months ago. ------------- Don't hate me I'm not special like you |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: April 05 2005 at 11:23
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there was another band on here that werent prog at all and it was a mistake so they got removed. Another band should be radiohead! But nightwish are even less proggy than radiohead. I wish i had an angel! what a piece of crap! The only relation i've see between nightwish and prog is that they can both be very OTT!!! ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: Vince
Date Posted: April 05 2005 at 12:14
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I think the problem comes down to what is the definition of Progressive music. And unfortunately, this has been an endless debate. I have not seen it here yet, but I am very new here and have not read everything. But I've seen it on many other boards. If I would ask "what is progressive rock for you", everyone would give a different answer. Why don't we just accept the fact that the term "progressive" has become more widely used than some would like, that it includes much more bands than one would think. Why don't we just welcome any band that is more or less related to others already featured here. Does it hurt anyone to give any band a chance of being discovered by people who don't know them? If you like them, good. If you don't, that's just fine too. Case closed. I don't see why Nightwish sould not be included here. My two cent... ------------- "The mind is like a parachute: it doesn't work until it's opened"... Frank Zappa. |
Posted By: billyshears'67
Date Posted: April 05 2005 at 14:03
'Ello, Yeah, I've been listening to metal since the age of 5 and I'm 19 now and I've been exposed to EVERY form of metal out there. So I myself know what I'm talkin' about. Secondly, I've heard ALL of Nightwish's albums plenty of times (my older bro is a Nightwish freak) and there's hardly even a progression from album to album, especially now, since they've developed into a predictable euro/metal/pop unit. Though, they did come up with a metal formula all their own, I just don't see them as a group treading new territories that would be considered "progressive." I feel beside myself when I ask a question like "is this or that band progressive" y'know. When I listen to a band I don't wonder "is this progressive?" yadda yadda. I think is this music good? Is the musicianship there? Is there some sort of musical identity? Really when comes down to the whole categorization of music, it doesn't bloody matter. P.S. Thanks Petra, for the kind thoughts in regards to my interview! No animosity here. Peace & take care |
Posted By: bluetailfly
Date Posted: April 05 2005 at 15:35
Do you mean "Nightranger"? If so, I'll agree that they can get rather proggy... ------------- "The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle." |
Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: April 05 2005 at 16:31
Lol... 
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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: April 05 2005 at 17:17
oh you did NOT GO THERE! Nightwish are fine as a gothic opera-like bad christmas carolling bunch of over the top excuses for metal but they are not prog. I think you need to re-listen to frances the mute. Irish eye had a bagel bla bla bla Nightwish suck! I'm in love with my gloves buuuuuuuuurrrrrning bagels to crust! f**kin' atrocious song! Some of the other songs were tolerable, i really am not a fan but i definetly hear no prog in their music. ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: April 05 2005 at 17:21
Should be the possibility to vote for indifferent. ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Beau Heem
Date Posted: April 05 2005 at 18:35
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I'm, in a word, disgusted. When I was first introduced to the site (long before I started to shout out jokes no-one besides me understands at this forum), basically every group / artist I "found" here was, according to my opinion, progressive. It might not have been my cup of tea (kind of nothing is...), but whenever a band was listed in the progarchives, it had a certain warranty. I mean that it is ok for me if I don't like a band or an album I purchase / illegaly download, but I surely get pissed off if something that is packaged and labeled as prog is, in fact, something totally different. The categorizations 'prog metal', 'neo prog' and 'space/experimental' have no true meaning anymore. That is only because too many a recent addition to these three 'genres' does not really fit in the category it has been put in. I don't care too much for prog metal (that's just ugly), so I wouldn't mind if each and every metal band was added to the archives - I tend to skip those groups anyway. But I do find it a bit irritating to be forced to search information about groups that are listed as 'neo progressive' or 'space / experimental' from other sites and other sources because I cannot trust the categorisations. The above text musn't necessarily be read because, to be honest, I hardly ever listen to music. Cheers -Beau PS. Listening to Gnidrolog as I write... ------------- --No enemy but time-- |
Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: April 05 2005 at 21:25
Very long songs and the mellotron - granted - are common in progressive rock music. However, it is not essential to have those ingredients. As I have said before in other forums prog rock music is in the ear of the beholder! -------------
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: April 05 2005 at 21:29
A good bite there! Yes - perhaps I should listen to Francis the Mute. But I don't want to waste my money on something I feel I will dislike intensely.... -------------
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: April 05 2005 at 21:31
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: April 05 2005 at 21:36
I totally agree - groups like Blind Guardian should be included in this site. How would you catagorise groups like "Within Temptation" or "Lacuna Coil"? If you know the works of these groups then their similarity to Nightwish would make them candidates for the archives too. -------------
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