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Topic: Is the use of the term "overrated" overra
Posted By: debrewguy
Subject: Is the use of the term "overrated" overra
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 21:20
Ever find that the use of the term "overrated" in regards to a group or album usually is an attempt by the person to say that they "hate" said group or album, without actually saying so ? 

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Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 21:24
Criticizing people for overusing "overrated" is totally overrated. Wink
I am definately one who uses the word a lot (my friends tease me about it all the time, but they're so overrated) but my meaning switches depending on the subject. Usually it means that it doesn't deserve the credit it gets, but I still like it.


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Posted By: sco-bro
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 21:44
There are lots of bands or albums that I like, but also find overrated. Usually it's an album that most reviewers label 'a masterpiece', but I think it's just 'pretty good'. It has nothing to do with hating anything, it just depends on the situation. I can see how you would think that though, because some of the reviews lean that way.


Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 21:52
Originally posted by moreitsythanyou moreitsythanyou wrote:

Criticizing people for overusing "overrated" is totally overrated. Wink
I am definately one who uses the word a lot (my friends tease me about it all the time, but they're so overrated) but my meaning switches depending on the subject. Usually it means that it doesn't deserve the credit it gets, but I still like it.

I can't get over your overreaction to the use of the word overrated. Get over it already ...Wink
That & the use of the word fanboy. Do fanmen exist ? fangals, fanwomen ? I've heard of fan dancers, fan dangos, & fan-atic (though I never found one upstairs there). Or dissonant ? WHy not datsonnant ? Avant-Garde ? Who's bringing up the rear ? Do you find Avant-Garde hard on your (r)ear ? You best not use the word best ! And why doesn't the whole world spell favourite with a "U" ? That's my favourite way to spell ! Did it go missing when it crossed the U.S. border ? And if you cross a U.S. border collie with a , with a, with a .... dang, I can't think of anything !!!!Tongue


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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.


Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 22:00

This poll is overrated.

 

Tongue



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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 22:00
Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

Originally posted by moreitsythanyou moreitsythanyou wrote:

Criticizing people for overusing "overrated" is totally overrated. Wink
I am definately one who uses the word a lot (my friends tease me about it all the time, but they're so overrated) but my meaning switches depending on the subject. Usually it means that it doesn't deserve the credit it gets, but I still like it.

I can't get over your overreaction to the use of the word overrated. Get over it already ...Wink
That & the use of the word fanboy. Do fanmen exist ? fangals, fanwomen ? I've heard of fan dancers, fan dangos, & fan-atic (though I never found one upstairs there). Or dissonant ? WHy not datsonnant ? Avant-Garde ? Who's bringing up the rear ? Do you find Avant-Garde hard on your (r)ear ? You best not use the word best ! And why doesn't the whole world spell favourite with a "U" ? That's my favourite way to spell ! Did it go missing when it crossed the U.S. border ? And if you cross a U.S. border collie with a , with a, with a .... dang, I can't think of anything !!!!Tongue


this post is overratedWink

my problem with the word "overrated" is that one can't always determine what the sayer means, it could mean that they enjoy it but not as much as others, or it could be an indirect way of saying "you're bad for liking this". However, daily usage almost guarantees extra indie points


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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 22:03
I think Josh is overrated. Can we take a poll?

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Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 22:05
When I feel that something is considerered by people to be better than it actually is, I say it is overrated.  I don't use it in any other circumstance.  This is pretty straightforward. 


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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 22:06
I think we all know how painful taking a poll can be..



Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 22:06
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

This poll is overrated.

 

Tongue

 
damn damn damn.  you beat me to the punch. LOL


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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 22:06
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

This poll is overrated.

 

Tongue


How would you overrate it on a scale of 9 to 10 ? LOL


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Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 22:07
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

I think Josh is overrated. Can we take a poll?
No doubt about it! Approve


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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 22:08
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

I think I suck Can we take a poll? Nah, it's assumed. Also, I wear dresses and pretend I'm a dark fairy princess because I'm beautiful like a fairy but dark emotionally


n00b


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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 22:09
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

I think we all know how painful taking a poll can be..


I was once called by a telemarketer who asked if I would mind taking a quick poll. I asked him how he would enjoy taking a poll u* *** ***. Once I got his answer, I told him I felt the same Tongue Free the phone lines, you have nothing to lose except the crosshairs on your wallet !


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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.


Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 22:10
Originally posted by heyitsthatguy heyitsthatguy wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

I think I suck Can we take a poll? Nah, it's assumed. Also, I wear dresses and pretend I'm a dark fairy princess because I'm beautiful like a fairy but dark emotionally


n00b
 
That's a side of stoney I didn't really need to know about.  LOL


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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 22:10
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

This poll is overrated.

 

Tongue


Shouldn't that be Da T ?


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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.


Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 22:11
Originally posted by heyitsthatguy heyitsthatguy wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

I think I suck Can we take a poll? Nah, it's assumed. Also, I wear dresses and pretend I'm a dark fairy princess because I'm beautiful like a fairy but dark emotionally


n00b


So yes, then?


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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 22:12
Originally posted by moreitsythanyou moreitsythanyou wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

I think Josh is overrated. Can we take a poll?
No doubt about it! Approve

If we take the right pill will Josh rate higher ?


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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.


Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 22:14
OK, how's this for an explanation?  Since 1975, how many times do you think something from the album "Wish you were Here" by Pink Floyd was played on mainsteam radio?  Let's say 1 million times for the sake of it.  How many times was something from Strawbs Ghosts (1975) played?  Let's say 1000 times for the sake of it?  Even if you think the Floyd album is way better than the Strawbs album, which it ain't even better to begin with, you'd be hard pressed to say that it's 1000 times better.  Sure sales figures factor into it, but I'd venture to say that the sales gap would have been alot smaller if Strawbs had been given their just attention.  Therefore, ipso facto, WYWH is overrated.  Ghosts is underrated.   Mainstream radio, even in the 70s, was in the business of focusing on a ridiculously small percentage of the output.  Notice I chose two albums that were basically released worldwide, so you couldn't use the import vs domestic argument.


Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 22:17
Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

OK, how's this for an explanation?  Since 1975, how many times do you think something from the album "Wish you were Here" by Pink Floyd was played on mainsteam radio?  Let's say 1 million times for the sake of it.  How many times was something from Strawbs Ghosts (1975) played?  Let's say 1000 times for the sake of it?  Even if you think the Floyd album is way better than the Strawbs album, which it ain't even better to begin with, you'd be hard pressed to say that it's 1000 times better.  Sure sales figures factor into it, but I'd venture to say that the sales gap would have been alot smaller if Strawbs had been given their just attention.  Therefore, ipso facto, WYWH is overrated.  Ghosts is underrated.   Mainstream radio, even in the 70s, was in the business of focusing on a ridiculously small percentage of the output.  Notice I chose two albums that were basically released worldwide, so you couldn't use the import vs domestic argument.
 
Well you also happened to pick what in my opinion is one of the most overrated albums of all time. But anyway, I totally agree. the ratio of how good they are and how well they are rated worldwide is terriblly skewed. That's why I have no problem saying that something is overrated because it's not the masterpiece it's always perceived to be. It's not always insulting, just a statement of opinion.


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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 22:27
I do think WYWH isn't anywhere near as overrated as DSOTM mind you, and I could have stacked it up against some underrated album from 1974.   I also compared PF and Strawbs because they both were from UK, were fairly vocal oriented, both dabbled in prog - ie- PF was blues prog and Strawbs were folk-prog, and both had some mainstream sensibilities.  Both were very talented musically and lyrically, although Strawbs were much more balanced and less uniformly pessimistic in their view of life, and Dave Cousins lyrics were alot more poetic.  Anyway, just trying to say that it is mor apples to apples than apples to oranges as a comparison. 


Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 22:28
O.K. , who let this thread get sidetracked by serious discussion . WYWH is not overrated, it is overpraised ! Wink Davide Cousins, on the other hand could use some overpraising. As long as he has nothing to do with Rick Quakeman
P.S. Did'ja ever notice how hard it is to have the last post on ALL active topics. It seems like some people have nothing better to do than write silly inane smart ass remarks .
Anyway, I'm off (not my rocker, but I am a rocker, I'm a roller, I'm a right out of controller; or I was, until my wife asked me if I remembered how to find the doorWink) to bed , perchance to REM.


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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.


Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 22:30
sorry my fault for getting serious- but as you can see I am a newbie and should be given a break  :)


Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 23:02
Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

sorry my fault for getting serious- but as you can see I am a newbie and should be given a break  :)

that's ok. Let me give you a few pointers that I had to learn about the hard way.
1) there is no such thing as an opinion. If you're going to discuss things, present facts, just the facts. Klaatu is the greatest prog band ever. That is a fact. If you read the two previous sentences, you will see written proof. If you need to find out where to find the proof, read the previous line.
2) The groups listed in the top 100, & the various top 20 of each genre are ALL overrated. That point can never be overemphasized.
3) Do not resort to name calling. Instead throw things at your computer screen.
4)Nobody has time to read a short post. Ever. IF you have something to say, words & lots of words will sufficient to identify your post as meaningful.
5)Obscure groups have no other reason for being than for you to feel superior by claiming to love them. Even better when you dismiss other more well known acts as being mere pigmys talent wise as compared to your unknown musical idol.
5)Never, ever, ever make fun of the T. He will get you. (Not really, remember this is all cyber reality, he can't find you)
6)Sarcasm, Irony, Humour are best served with sick twists. Everyone loves a good joke. Electronic communications are popular because people can just not mistalke your assumptions or intentions.
7)Please never never never ask for a definiton of Prog. We just don't have the time to go over that again.
8) People love Peter vs Phil threads.
9) Always listen to more senior members. They have no life & have enough free time on their hands to let you know it.
10) AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH muscle cramp. I'm gon


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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.


Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 23:09
Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

sorry my fault for getting serious- but as you can see I am a newbie and should be given a break  :)

that's ok. Let me give you a few pointers that I had to learn about the hard way.

8) People love Peter vs Phil threads.
 
 
That was just rude to tell him that.  Funny though. 


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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 23:12
I love it!  Now I have to wait for 1-7 and 9, 10

I could talk about Peter vs Phil for sure, but not now...OK, best song ever done by Genesis is "The Musical Box".  BY FAR


Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: June 06 2007 at 07:29
You see, Dan's problem is he uses the word "overrated" to describe albums that maybe 4 other people he's ever come into contact with even know about, let alone own.
Hug


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Posted By: cookieacquired
Date Posted: June 06 2007 at 07:37
I don't know why I'm even posting on this
 
I rarely use the word
 
but
 
the word overrated is an out of pretentiousness


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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: June 06 2007 at 08:46
Hasn't this poll been done already?

Anyway, I can't see how the using something could be overrated. The word itself can be, but not using it, as far as I'm concerned.


Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: June 06 2007 at 08:49
overrated=I hate it, for many PA members at least.


Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: June 06 2007 at 10:22
Originally posted by Philéas Philéas wrote:

Hasn't this poll been done already?

Anyway, I can't see how the using something could be overrated. The word itself can be, but not using it, as far as I'm concerned.

That gives me an idea - the most overdone poll ... thanks . I'll start it later LOLLOLLOL


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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 06 2007 at 13:28
Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

This poll is overrated.

 

Tongue


Shouldn't that be Da T ?
 
No... actually, The T is UNDERrated..... CryCry
 
Tongue


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Posted By: dralan
Date Posted: June 06 2007 at 16:50
'Overrated' usually means an album has had commercial success so we usually throw that tag around if we feel like the general public is invading our little world. Wink


Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: June 06 2007 at 16:55
Originally posted by Norbert Norbert wrote:

overrated=I hate it, for many PA members at least.
 
To me, overrated = good, but not the piece of genius it is claimed to be.
 
Example of an overrated album for me : Scenes from a Memory, Dream Theater.
 
 


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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: June 06 2007 at 16:57
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

This poll is overrated.

 

Tongue


Shouldn't that be Da T ?
 
No... actually, The T is UNDERrated..... CryCry
 
Tongue

Feeling underrated or just under the weather ?


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