Kashmir v Stargazer
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Topic: Kashmir v Stargazer
Posted By: Progger
Subject: Kashmir v Stargazer
Date Posted: June 04 2007 at 16:37
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How do I create a poll in the non-prog forum?
Anyway, two of my favourite rock epics are Zep's 'Kashmir' & Rainbow's 'Stargazer'! I can't seperate them but which do you prefer?
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Posted By: andu
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 00:06
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This poll was done a couple of months ago - by The Whistler if I'm not wrong.
------------- "PA's own GI Joe!" 
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Posted By: Leningrad
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 00:08
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Ah... the two Egyptian sounding songs!
I'm going to vote Stargazer, because Ronnie James Dio has a badass voice.
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Posted By: martinprog77
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 02:25
Stargazer  ------------- Nothing can last there are no second chances. Never give a day away. Always live for today. |
Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 10:30
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I vote Stargazer, probably due to overexposure to Kashmir, and because Dio sings, and because Blackmore plays, Powell slams, Bain too...
I love Led Zep though... ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: June 07 2007 at 14:42
Kashmir, by a country mile, for me. 
Rainbow did not age well for me (I stopped listening to them before I was out of my teens), but I remain a major Zep fan. I think they had more musical depth and were heavy rock pioneers. Rainbow seemed to be mainly about hormones/testosterone, and following an established "template." (They were very good at what they did, though.) ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 07 2007 at 14:44
Make that several country miles.
Kashmir it is.
 Sublime. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Peter wrote:Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: June 07 2007 at 14:45
| Kashmir |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: June 09 2007 at 17:49
| Kashmir. |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: June 10 2007 at 07:32
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I see a rainbow rising.. ------------- 
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Posted By: Hratche
Date Posted: June 11 2007 at 03:06
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I remember worshipping Blackmore/Rainbow/Purple for about 6 months while in my teens. Likewise Frank Marino. Just got old for me. Zeppelin's music never stood still, always evolving, took musical risks other bands of the era couldn't or wouldn't take. Not all their long shots paid off, but the ones that did -- e.g. Kashmir -- made them legends to this day. I recall *hating* that song for quite a while, but only because I wasn't expecting it and therefore couldn't appreciate it. |
Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: June 11 2007 at 03:14
Heh, yeah...looks like this one is "Stargazer" to my "Kashmir."
I still go with "Stargazer," for the live version, which rips the living sh*t outta any too-pretentious-for-its-own-good classic metal song, 'cause Blackmore's soloing is, quite literally, inhuman. It scares me. ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: June 11 2007 at 03:17
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Oh, I like how all the Led Zep guys are giving their well-thought out analysis of the songs, or just simply saying "Kashmir," and all the Rainbow dudes are saying "Dio's awesome" and the like. ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: June 12 2007 at 06:40
| A country-mile is too short: Kashmir by a light-year! Switching time-signatures (though it was predominantly 3/4 throughout), using orchestral arrangements to give that full Arabesque sound, using the flanger effect on the drums in the last 90 seconds of the song - it truly stands the test of time! It is, hands down, the best song Zeppelin ever recorded (IMHO)... |
Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: June 12 2007 at 07:25
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Now this is a great poll!
Stargazer by a hair for me. ------------- Beauty will save the world. 
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: June 19 2007 at 08:19
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I was hooked on Stargazer as a kid. It is good, but Kashmir gets my vote.
If I hear Stargazer these days, I find myself yawning at all the Dio cliches in the lyrics; towers of stone, rainbows, wizards etc.. |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: June 20 2007 at 07:56
I don't think Kashmir is in 3/4.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 20 2007 at 08:04
No...its in Asia.
 ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: June 20 2007 at 08:12
 You're on fire today, Mr Cownie. |
Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: June 22 2007 at 03:15
No, that's John Wetton. ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: June 30 2007 at 12:10
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Stargazer.... one of my fave pieces of music when I was a teenager... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 30 2007 at 12:12
yes it was.... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Pafnutij
Date Posted: July 01 2007 at 11:11
| Stargazer. Kashmir has the most overused riff ever. |
Posted By: Roskisdyykkari
Date Posted: July 01 2007 at 17:02
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Stargazer definitely! I don't like Kashmir at all... Well, ok, maybe just a little. But I'm not a big fan of Zeppelin anyway...
------------- And the sand-castle virtues are all swept away in the tidal destruction the moral melee. |
Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: July 02 2007 at 12:45
| Stargazer is a really good metal song. Kashmir is masterpiece. Kashmir by far. |
Posted By: R o V e R
Date Posted: July 02 2007 at 13:56
Stargazer
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Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: July 24 2007 at 05:38
| Stargazer for me. Magnificient! |
Posted By: Guzzman
Date Posted: July 25 2007 at 13:27
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Kashmir = majestic Stargazer = domestic ------------- "We've got to get in to get out" |
Posted By: R o V e R
Date Posted: July 25 2007 at 13:52
Kashmir- Majestic Stargazer- Fantastic |
Posted By: nightlamp
Date Posted: July 31 2007 at 17:02
| "Stargazer" and its companion "A Light in the Black" make for some truly epic listening... |
Posted By: Uther
Date Posted: August 01 2007 at 13:14
Well...i'm gonna tell you somthing that DP fans may fell angry.....but...it's true....two tracks with eastern musical structures....but Kashmir was released in 1975 and was created in mid 1974....and since first Zep album we can find tracks with easter musical mixtures like Black Mountain side......Stargazer appeared in 1976-77 in Rainbow Rising album.....and hipnotic riff...like kashmir....yeas...i mean as always Blackmore pick up some somedody else's musical ideas....for example look tha last part of stargazer....and then listen last part of Kashmir....
Another Zep influence ------------- What! can the devil speak true? Macbeth, 1. 3 |
Posted By: Tales
Date Posted: August 01 2007 at 20:55
Led Zep were one of the worst proponents of plaigarism ! 'Whole lotta love' just for starters!
Whilst I don't have any particular preference between the two songs, Blackmore steals his own solo from 'Stormbringer' . It's almost identical to the one he uses in Stargazer.
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: August 01 2007 at 23:08
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For me it's Stargazer.
kashmir is rocking, and has quite a Dose of wonderous moment's, but Stargazer is the ultimate hardrock epic, only few songs come close in really exciting me that much, a selection of those include Sleepwalkers from VDGG, Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen and Grendel by Marillion, and that's it, total entrancement and when it's on, no need to speak to me, for than I'm listening with all my senses.
one of the best songs ever created is Rainbows Stargazer, and Kashmir is just one of many great songs.
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Posted By: meinmatrix
Date Posted: August 04 2007 at 13:02
Kashmir reminds me of classical composition Bolero. It builds up, it keeps tension, it keeps flowing, it explodes. And trust me when i say that i had my fair share of Rainbow when i was a heavy metal kid. Zeppelin all the way.  ------------- 
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 04 2007 at 15:44
| They're both great tracks, though I have a personal preference for "Stargazer". However, I don't understand those who speak of plagiarism... "Stargazer" doesn't really sound anything like "Kashmir" - all they have in common is the length and epic scope, and perhaps that Oriental-inspired vibe. That's all, IMHO. If you really want a song that's clearly influenced by "Kashmir", I'd say, listen to Deep Purple's "Perfect Strangers". |
Posted By: Uther
Date Posted: August 13 2007 at 01:10
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QUOTE=Ghost Rider]They're both great tracks, though I have a personal preference for "Stargazer". However, I don't understand those who speak of plagiarism... "Stargazer" doesn't really sound anything like "Kashmir" - all they have in common is the length and epic scope, and perhaps that Oriental-inspired vibe. That's all, IMHO. If you really want a song that's clearly influenced by "Kashmir", I'd say, listen to Deep Purple's "Perfect Strangers". [/QUOTE]
Let's see...i like "Stargazer" so much, it rocks, its great...but as always i suspect about Blackmore...in some point of his career time he was lost...i'm thinking in his personal influences and inspiration, muses, whatever....as musician and he begun to attend some elements of 1st position bands...emulating, whatever...to join the mainstream...and the mix rock and ethnic, mystic it's and example....i think he needed new ideas to leave DP...look again the hipnotic riff....the last part with G and A based scale like Kashmir...well the hipnotic riff is in E and Kashmir in D but i'm talkin about big structures.....and the chorus.....A minor to G in Stargazer ("...in the heat and the rain...") and Kashmir G minor to A. ("...All I see turns to brown...") ....more than one
I like stargazer but kasmir was unique in 70's
  ------------- What! can the devil speak true? Macbeth, 1. 3 |
Posted By: markosherrera
Date Posted: August 20 2007 at 19:34
| Kashmir sounds more egyptian ....hipnotic .I prefer kashmir |
Posted By: markosherrera
Date Posted: August 20 2007 at 20:04
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTaOvzZKRxA - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTaOvzZKRxA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4-vUgc2oIY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4-vUgc2oIY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTJyh4A1iaU - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTJyh4A1iaU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?-------= - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfTttPGQrMk - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfTttPGQrMk
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Posted By: cookieacquired
Date Posted: August 29 2007 at 09:59
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Kashmir is a great song, and wrecks as a note, it's the best thing zep's done ------------- 
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: September 04 2007 at 15:04
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Kashmir has a great riff, but it's kind of boring and repetitive....and Plant...
On the other hand, Stargazer is varied, full of melodies, amazing, and Dio just RULES...
Stargazer by a mile...
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Posted By: staunchally
Date Posted: September 22 2007 at 10:09
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Anybody who voted for Kashmir is wrong.
All art is plagiarism.
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Posted By: andu
Date Posted: September 22 2007 at 10:19
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Right...
------------- "PA's own GI Joe!"
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Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: September 22 2007 at 10:33
| Stargazer, coz I like it better |
Posted By: markosherrera
Date Posted: September 29 2007 at 22:11
Perhaps Kashmir is repetitive..but for me is hipnotic.......there are famous repetitives themes in classic music like Bolero of Ravel..............that for me is hipnotic,..or like a sexual act
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Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 09:01
No one is wrong, all opinions are valid.
Strargazer is great but Kashmir is better.
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: October 06 2007 at 02:30
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"Powerslave." ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 08 2008 at 13:00
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Kashmir 1 Stargazer 0
I would rather prefer Kashmir although both classics I don't really like them. I choose Kashmir cause Plant's voice is great, in the other hand Stargazer's drumming is great although Dio's voice is rubish. |
Posted By: rudderhead
Date Posted: March 04 2008 at 21:36
| Stargazer!! I dont think it sounds like Kashmir at all. Thats a bit like saying that Powerslave sounds like Kashmir because of its eastern sound. Dont forget that there were enough songs who sounded eastern before Kashmir come along. Deep Purple The Mule for instance. |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 16:45
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Stargazer the drum intro beats, easy Kashmir.
and i LOVE both bands... -------------  |