It was 40 Years Ago Today.....
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Topic: It was 40 Years Ago Today.....
Posted By: Lota
Subject: It was 40 Years Ago Today.....
Date Posted: June 01 2007 at 20:21
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Sgt Pepper told the band to play. June 1 1967.
Any thought about this album?
------------- And In The End, The Love You Take, Is Equal To The Love You Make |
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 01 2007 at 20:23
Yes. I think it is the most important album in the history of rock music. |
Lota wrote:Posted By: 33rpm
Date Posted: June 01 2007 at 20:48
 !------------- Vinyl just sounds better!! |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 01 2007 at 20:52
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This is my least favorite Beatles album - I really do not see what all the fuss is about, there's three good songs on it, one that was covered better Joe Cocker, a few also-rans, a filler and a real stinker.
I didn't like it when it came out either, eventhough I liked Revolver before it and the Magical Mystery Tour EP that came out after.
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Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: June 01 2007 at 22:16
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Edit: Double-post ------------- 
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Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: June 01 2007 at 22:18
Yes, highly overrated in my opinion. Joe Cocker's "With a Little Help.." was much better.
The title track and lucy in the sky are overplayed. A Day in the Life is still excellent but it doesnt make up for the rest of the album's filler.
While it's not my least favorite Beatles album, it's definitely my least favorite from their "experimental phase": '67-70
AND FOR THE LAST DAMN TIME: IT's NOT THE FIRST CONCEPT ALBUM (It's not even a REAL concept album - It just has a reprise towards the end. Whoop-de-freaking-doo!)
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 01 2007 at 22:22
Something wrong with your edit button? 
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Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: June 01 2007 at 22:24
all better  -------------
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Posted By: Novalis
Date Posted: June 01 2007 at 22:30
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I prefer Abbey Road. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 01 2007 at 22:57
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This album crept into the culture before I really started listening to it. Still it was very influential. My first and only copy so far is a CD and I'm going to run off and listen to it on headphones for the first time. Not that I kind of hadn't heard it in bits and in whole already, just to check it out as it nears 40.
Don't bother me for the next 40 minutes or so  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: June 01 2007 at 23:17
That's EXACTLY what I've been telling people. Reprising the first song at the end does not make the album a concept album. Neither does making an album in which multiple songs contain the sounds of animals, for that matter. The first legitimate concept album was Days of Future Passed. -------------   |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 00:23
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Just coming off of a fresh listening of the thing (headphones), not totally focused, but interrupted for other things, one of the most interesting things I find is the way the early stereo mixing turned out, still primitive for today's standards. I think George Martin worked to be faithful to the remix on my version from what I've read about it. It still seems a bit primitive as one might see it these days, but cool for the times it was created in. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 00:58
Oh, misguided fools...this topic isn't about Aqualung... ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: Bastille Dude
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 01:21
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I still believe Pepper's surpasses anything recorded before or after it.
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 01:26
Well, like...ever? Like, even more important than Robert Johnson or Irving Berlin? ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: Bastille Dude
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 01:29
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Umm.. Yes.. Except Mob Rules! ------------- DEATH TO FALSE PROG! |
Posted By: Atomic_Rooster
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 01:31
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Even Heifetz?
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 01:32
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Oh. Right. Well, I was sort of being serious, but, okay!
Yeah, Mob Rules DEFINITELY inspired the world. Everywhere afterwards, young people were wearing evil cowls and the like. Mobsters we called 'em. ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 01:53
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Wow, it seems like the Beatles and Sgt. Peppers are almost as despised here as Dream Theater which is pretty sad. Filler? I don't know about that. And just because some songs are overplayed doesn't mean they're bad. That's the radio's fault (if thats where you're hearing it). Sgt. Peppers is not my favorite Beatles album, but it is f**king great. And you can bet your ass that there's a lot of proggers that wouldn't exist had it not been created. People also seem to forget a few things about Sgt. Peppers. 1. The Beatles were trying to make something that wasn't commercial and they thought would not gain a lot of attention. They just wanted to mess around and create some good sh*t they'd like a lot. Didn't really work that way completely as it was an extreme success 2. Fans and critics believed the Beatles had peaked at the time before Sgt.'s release. Their minds were soon blown away. Anyways, the album is great and just becaue it may be over-exposed does not take away from it's greatness. |
Posted By: Floydian42
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 03:37
I don't hate them at all, and I certainly appreciate what they did for music and all, it's just that the music never reached me, is all. I won't say it's bad, just not my style. |
Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 03:41
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What Sgt. Peppers did do was to inspire other bands to make amazing albums.The Zombies,Oddyssy (sic) and Oracle for example.Although, bands like Pink Floyd,The Who and The Moody Blues were working along the same lines comtemporarily. ------------- 
Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb. |
Posted By: febus
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 08:06
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If not for SERGEANT PEPPERS, where would we be now??? it was the pandera's box that opened a lot of new musical inspirations and horizons, and it didn't stop only with the music. Thanks PAUL MCCARTNEY
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 09:06
| One of the first albums I ever bought (I was ten or something I think). Very good, but I rarely listen to it nowadays. |
Posted By: rushaholic
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 09:12
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My favorite Beatles album but not one of my favorite all-time albums. I do understand though that it was one of the most important albums ever. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 09:28
I agree 100% -------------  |
Posted By: Chicapah
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 10:17
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When they had the big Beatles anthology on ABC way back when I remember being struck by something that Phil Collins said. I don't remember it word for word but it was something to the effect that Sgt. Peppers opened a whole lot of new doors and many bands like Genesis now looked in those rooms and said "Oh, you mean this room exists and we are free to go in there now?" That's what I think about with this monumental album. It made it okay to experiment freely without finding locked doors. ------------- "Literature is well enough, as a time-passer, and for the improvement and general elevation and purification of mankind, but it has no practical value" - Mark Twain |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 11:30
and George Martin and the Engineers at Abbey Road  ------------- What? |
Posted By: bsurmano
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 16:04
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QUOTE :
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
June 1967 Capitol The Beatles did three things that changed the course of popular music: 1) they wrote their own songs; 2) they took control of the recording process; and 3) they gave us Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band. Released at the height of the summer of 1967, the Beatles had been off the road for almost eighteen months and immersed at Abbey Road studios. That it is a conceptual album, and not just a collection of songs, makes Sgt Pepper the landmark that it is. From the jacket photo, to the music on the vinyl, to even the cutout inserts inside, exercising their creativity was the Beatles end game, and in this album it would fully manifest. While others had attempted it, the Beatles delivered the object - a record album - that everyone wanted and would want to create. After the previous year’s masterpiece Revolver, the first hint of the Beatles next move appeared on the Penny Lane" b/w "Strawberry Fields Forever" single released in February. When Sgt. Peppers arrived in June, it was their most intellectual statement yet, raising the bar for all of Pop music. From the adult theme of "Getting Better" to the blatant psychedelia of "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds", the Beatles offer their most mature and cohesive effort, best encapsulated in the epic track "A Day In The Life". Equally important was the reception that their audience, indeed the world, had to the album. In addition to burgeoning awareness of psychedelia, the album coincided with the advent of stereo headphones, and was the first album to feature printed lyrics. All points connected: with Sgt. Peppers, the Beatles and producer George Martin captured the minds and imaginations of a world waiting to be captured. So enough has been written about this album and with good reason: British art rock starts here. This was the pretense under which most Progressive rock was made. ------------- 'Sundown,yellow moon, I replay the past I know every scene by heart, they all went by so fast..... Either I'm too sensitive or else I'm gettin' soft.' Bob Dylan |
Posted By: bruin69
Date Posted: June 02 2007 at 19:55
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The Beatles wrote some very pleasant pop songs, with some quite clever harmonies, and added some sound effects. They were a very good band. But to me, they were not prog. But who am I to argue with the eleventy scrillion who think they're great? ------------- A dog is for lunch and not just for breakfast |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 21:13
I think Paul thanks Brian Wilson ... woof meow moo neighhhh ....------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: June 06 2007 at 16:47
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It might not be everyone's favorite, but it influenced a lot of people at the time, namely a little L.A. band called The Doors.
In the liner notes to the new reissues, either Rothchild or Botnick confirmed playing Sgt. Pepper to the band and they really, really liked it. It convinced them to use the studio itself as an instrument, and with that in mind they recorded and released their best album, Strange Days.
So if only for that, it is a cornerstone album. I am sure there are more examples like this concerning Sgt. Pepper. ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: Dalezilla
Date Posted: June 06 2007 at 16:49
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And June 1 2007 was the day I heard the album for the first time. |
Posted By: paul.timediver
Date Posted: June 07 2007 at 07:41
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Yep, I have the vinyl with all the cardboard cut-outs still intact. Actually bought it in the early 70's, still at school but aware that it was meant to be special. Yep, I have the CD which is what I play maybe once per year, just to remind myself how good it is. After all this time, there is always something new to notice.
If it's not the greatest album ever, maybe we can all agree that it was (and still is) hugely influential and hugely enjoyable. God, if only I had co-written those songs, what a proud and happy guy I'd be.
Unfair perhaps to try to pigeonhole the album 40 years later as being "concept" or "prog" or any other label. Back then, it was "popular music" and there was simply nothing of a comparable standard with which to equate it. Even those blessed with 20/20 hindsight should surely be able to appreciate why that makes it special !!
Slightly off topic, does anyone genuinely believe that they have an all-time favourite album? Isn't the reality that we all have quite a few favourites which all jostle for position depending on our mood and the day of the week? Sgt P isn't my favourite album of all time, except maybe when I haven't heard it for ages and I really want to listen to it NOW. Other times, Blonde on Blonde isn't my favourite, nor Foxtrot, nor Dark Side, nor Forever Changes, nor The Timedivers' new CD. But then all of sudden there they go again, back to the top of the list.
Or it just me?
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Posted By: andu
Date Posted: June 07 2007 at 07:50
So how's it been? ------------- "PA's own GI Joe!" 
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: June 07 2007 at 08:20
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some more interesting facts about Sgt.Pepper...
http://www.jpgr.co.uk/pcs7027.html - http://www.jpgr.co.uk/pcs7027.html
and many other popular albums released in 1967 - a lot of pop, jazz, psyche and some early proto-prog, just to put Sgt.Pepper into context with its peers, though few have stood the test of time since that date...
http://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/1967 - http://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/1967
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 07 2007 at 10:23
^ oooh Strawberry Alarm Clock - Incence and Peppermints ... I use to love that song when I was a kid  ------------- What? |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 07 2007 at 21:03
Well, they're not prog, and so what? Are being a prog band and being great mutually exclusive? |
Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: June 24 2007 at 01:50
And John Belushi's 'cover' on Cocker's cover on SNL in the late 1970s was the best yet
(yeah, you could tell Cocker was pissed at John for that satire)... |
Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: June 25 2007 at 04:14
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There's no getting away from the fact that Sgt Pepper is one of the great landmark albums in the history of rock/pop. For the first time the Beatles conceived the project as an album (originally to be a double), and with all the tracks flowing into each other. But after the sequence of the title track / with a little help / Lucy in the sky, they found it too difficult and the rest was done as separate tracks. The masterpiece of course is 'A Day in the Life' - probably the most important track they ever recorded. As for the discussions about whether it is a concept album or not, it does have a loose theme of 'putting on a show' running through it. Personally I find Abbey Road to be the most satisfying album they recorded, and that was done at a time they were falling apart. Just my twopennorth. ------------- 'We're going to need a bigger swear jar.' |
Posted By: Dalezilla
Date Posted: June 25 2007 at 04:16
Pretty good.
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Posted By: dedokras
Date Posted: August 02 2007 at 10:57
| yes, it is true the Beatles are not prog and Sgt is not a concept album. it is also true that they are the most important band ever and this is one of their greatest albums alongside Revolver and Abbey Road |
Posted By: meinmatrix
Date Posted: August 03 2007 at 04:12
I have had this album as a cassette, vinyl album and cd. The vinyl album artwork is amazing. The music itself is superb and it doesn't decay with time like so many other works from that era. Now to those of you who dare to say that Sgt Pepper has some filler songs. No it doesn't. It is a solid concept album. If i had to name 3 most important albums of all times, i would say Elvis 1956, Sgt Pepper and Born to Run by Bruce Springsteen. These are the albums that changed music world as we know it. ------------- 
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Posted By: reality
Date Posted: October 18 2007 at 02:44
| It was a concept album as the concept was they became a totaly different band and wrote and played what that band would write and play. The only song written by the Beatles as the Beatles was A Day in the Life. This song in particuler is one of the deepest (lyricly) songs in the history of pop music (prog is pop music) |
Posted By: Sydwaters
Date Posted: October 18 2007 at 19:53
| A Day in the Life, Within You Without You and Mr. Kite are prog songs. The album the way it was sequenced and with the reprise tacted on makes it a concept album. A Conept Album not in the theme sense but more in a musical sense. Anyhow the album was a blueprint for future progressive rockers. I would say it was Revolver that is the better album. Revolver and Sgt Peppers are the biggest reasons why rock went away from its 50's roots. Those albums put art rock, psychedelic, and experimental rock on the map due to its sheer album sales and fusion with pop. |
Posted By: SgtPepper67
Date Posted: October 19 2007 at 21:47
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As you may guess by my nickname, I'm a huge fan of this album. Although it is not my favourite Beatles album (Abbery Road is), it is definitely and undeniably one of the greatest albums ever and probably the most influential, and without a doubt was an influence for most prog bands that would start appearing in the next few years. I also think it was somehow a concept album, thought not lyrically, but in the way it was conceived and created. ------------- 
In the end the love you take is equal to the love you made... |