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Topic: project
Posted By: video vertigo
Subject: project
Date Posted: February 22 2005 at 00:53
I am doing an oral report in one of my college courses of my choice, naturally I chose progressive music as my topics.  Anyone have anything helpful that I should make sure not to forget in this oral?

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"The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa



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Posted By: video vertigo
Date Posted: February 22 2005 at 00:55
question: In your personal opinion what is the single most important song to progressive music?  That sounds like a good start

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"The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa


Posted By: BebieM
Date Posted: February 22 2005 at 01:33

woah, that's a question impossible to answer ...

I'd say 21st century schizoid man by KC was way ahead of it's time and inspired tons of bands, it also was on one of the first prog records. (btw, the most important to prog, not the BEST)



Posted By: The-Bullet
Date Posted: February 22 2005 at 01:37
You'd probably need a 60's expert for that one. Most important would tend to point to a song or album that was a big shift from the norm and lit the fuse or set the ball rolling for the future "prog" bands to follow. The Beatles Sgt Pepper album is cited by many but I'm sure there are as many opinions on this as there are as to "which is the best ?" question.

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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: February 22 2005 at 03:40

The most important album is ITCOTCK - without question.

There are, of course, many other important albums, songs and musicians - I think you need to decide on an angle to take this from, or you'll end up with a long, sprawling, noodling mess.

A bit like a Yes album



Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: February 22 2005 at 05:11
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

The most important album is ITCOTCK - without question.

There are, of course, many other important albums, songs and musicians - I think you need to decide on an angle to take this from, or you'll end up with a long, sprawling, noodling mess.

A bit like a Yes album

 

One day somebody is going to waste their time researching as to whether Krimson or Renaissance (the original line-up) were first to be recognised by more than a handful of underground freaks. The Rolling Stones Hyde Park gig certainly help KC, but Jim Mossman's Art Review  programme on BBC 2 , devoted a whole programme to the music of a single "pop group" (a first off) Renaissance, and would have opened the eyes of some of the aboveground folk to  the band and its rock beethoviana. No doubt the ITCOTCK album  sold more records both initially and in the long term - but being signed to EG, whether Fripp liked it or not long term, meant nearly all Krimson albums stayed on available on catalogue, whilst that Renaissance album was first issued on CD by the German label Line Records - Island Records (who originally released both the first KC and Renaissance LPs) having a significant inability to reissue their back catalogue on CD.



Posted By: Captain Fudge
Date Posted: February 22 2005 at 08:18
Single-most importanat to prog? Money, by PF, even if it's not prog at all, because it helped sell a prog album unlike any other, and bring the genre to the masses. I'm serious.

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Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: February 22 2005 at 09:40

Originally posted by video vertigo video vertigo wrote:

question: In your personal opinion what is the single most important song to progressive music?  That sounds like a good start

There is no single most important song to progressive music



Posted By: maani
Date Posted: February 22 2005 at 09:57

Video:

I'd have to agree with Bebie and Cert here: although it is sort of silly to believe that there is any one song that is "most important" to progressive rock, "21st Century Schizoid Man" certainly comes close.  It is the opening track on the album that virtually "defined" the progressive rock movement.  And it contains almost all of the elements that "defined" (at least early on) "progressive rock": extended, thematic compositions, "symphonic" keyboards (particularly mellotron), non-standard and shifting time signatures, non-standard (for rock) instruments (including reeds, woodwinds, vibes), radical dynamic changes, radical sound textures, elements of rock, jazz, folk and experimental music, virtuoso musicianship, use of the recording studio and studio "tricks" as an important element in the creation of the overall sound, and esoteric and "fantastic" lyrics.

It really doesn't get much more "perfect" than that, and certainly not as early as 1969.

If I had to make other choices, my personal ones (and note everyone: my personal ones) would be The Musical Box and/or Return of the Giant Hogweed (Genesis), and any track on Close to the Edge (Yes).  These may not be as "important" to the genre as "21st Century Schizoid Man" in the "historic" sense, but, in my opinion, they equally "define" - in their own ways - what the "progressive" sound was in its early years.

Peace.



Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: February 22 2005 at 10:02
You know I dont agree much! But, 21st CSM is about
as good as you do defining prog and the fact that it
was done 1969. And of course the spirit of the LSD
drenched lyrics. I AGREE!!!



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