Just another newbie from Holland
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Topic: Just another newbie from Holland
Posted By: unclemeat69
Subject: Just another newbie from Holland
Date Posted: April 21 2007 at 06:58
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Hi evrybody, I'm Hans. I'm a musician (guitar, bass, composer etc) with
quite an ecclectic taste, whch includes but it is not limited to: some
Metal (Slayer, Meshuggah, some NWOBHM), 70's P-Funk, some old rap
(especially the louder the uncompromising type hard dry beats),
classical music (Stravinsky, Varése, Debussy, Arvo Pärt, Wagner etc),
Miles Davis, Afro-Beat (Fela Kuti, very minimalistic groovy stuff,
30minute songs with a completely un-progressive approach, quite
enjoyable if it's your thng) and of course prog (mostly the old 70's
variety such as Yes, Magma, GG, VDGG, and some modern prog mostly TFK
and related stuff). I try to keep an open mind although there is some
music that I really don't like: C&W, dutch popular folklore (Frans
Bauer etc), German schlagers etc, you get the idea....there may be some
songs here that sound interesting, I just haven't found any yet. I've been browsing this site for a while, I figured I might as well contribute at least in some of the forums, I may try and write some reviews one day  ------------- Follow your bliss |
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: April 21 2007 at 08:56
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welcome Hans, good to see the contignent of dutchies is expanding.
so i understand you play and compose music, professional, or just for fun, do you play in a band, and do you have a myspace account with songs on them if you are?
Agree on Frans Bauer's music, but he is a dear isn't he. I've got more problems with accepting Jan Smit.
And know for the million dollar question.
which do you prefer, Selling England or Close To The Edge? ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: April 21 2007 at 09:15
| Welcome Hans, that's what I call a broad taste indeed. Greetings from a Nederbelg. Hope you enjoy your time on the forum! |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: April 21 2007 at 09:19
Fenne gosah 
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Posted By: unclemeat69
Date Posted: April 21 2007 at 09:53
Fainuh gosaht trûg  ------------- Follow your bliss |
erik neuteboom wrote:Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: April 21 2007 at 10:10
| Rotterdam? |
Posted By: unclemeat69
Date Posted: April 21 2007 at 10:30
No, Bleiswijk, 10-15 kms north-west near Zoetermeer. What about you, Den Haag? ------------- Follow your bliss |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: April 21 2007 at 10:42
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I am born and raised in Den Haag, first De Schilderswijk, then Mariahoeve and now Loosduinen, near the forest, dunes and beach (Kijkduin). My brother lives in Zoetermeer (Rokkeveen). Good to have some people from Holland here
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Posted By: unclemeat69
Date Posted: April 21 2007 at 12:08
I just sat through Selling England twice,just to be sure, however I do prefer CTTE, I'll tell you why: I'm not too familiar with proggy Genesis, besides I'm a sucker for long songs, whether it's Fela, Funkadelic, Klaus Schulze, Wagner (his operas could last more than 4 hours, the Ring is even more that 14 hours altogether). I don't mind as long as it's well written and as long as the whole thing works. Besides, CTTE (the song) as one of the best bass-riffs I've ever heard. And I really like Jon's voice, one of the most disctinctive voices in rock history (together with Michael McDonald's). I still think Selling England is a fantastic piece of work. Quite essential in fact. It just has to grow on me, I guess. Which do you prefer?  ------------- Follow your bliss |
Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: April 21 2007 at 12:15
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Hans, welcome to this cellar moldy cellar full of the best prog wine. One more Dutchie is more than welcome. Greetings from Best to Bleiswijk. And in response to your question: I cannot stand Jon's voice, contrary to you, so I prefer Selling England, which is also my favourite Genesis album. ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: unclemeat69
Date Posted: April 21 2007 at 12:22
to each his own
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Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: April 21 2007 at 12:28
Hey welcome from another Hagenees. 
Have loads of fun on PA.
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: April 21 2007 at 15:59
Bleiswijk, that's not far from where I come from. I come from Hillegersberg, orginally.
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Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: April 21 2007 at 16:05
Kakkers  !
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: April 21 2007 at 16:18
 Hehe! Well, I do look down on you ordinary Haagse Harry's  !To be honest, my parents came from a small village in Groningen. We were never like that, but we had some nice ones hanging around. I can remember the real kakkers. All deep blue VVD -liberals. "My pen is more expensive than your watch" and so on. At school we could really laugh about them.
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Posted By: unclemeat69
Date Posted: April 21 2007 at 16:26
Actually, I live in Bleiswijk at the moment, and have done so for 27 years now, but before I lived in Ijsselmuiden (near Kampen) en Dalfsen (my place of birth) both in Overijssel (East-Holland, just for the curious non-dutch viewers). I also remember the kakkers, with their brand clothes, that were so expensive only because of the brandname (that stuff still exists of course) ------------- Follow your bliss |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: April 21 2007 at 16:28
Yes, I had to think of that as well! Lacoste and Kappa and so on. Even if you saw only a tiny little bit of a shirt under a pull, it still had to be real Lacoste or something like that.
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Posted By: unclemeat69
Date Posted: April 21 2007 at 16:29
btw, as you may have guest by the title of the topic, one of my
absolute favorite musish'nins is the late great FZ.. Just to let you
know...
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Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: April 21 2007 at 16:31
I have lived near Marlot and Wassenaar so say no more about 'Kakkers '  !
By the way UncleMeat69 (favorite position?), watch the Frank Zappa documentary (two editions) this week on the Dutch TV
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: April 21 2007 at 16:40
True, tomorrow already! I already set my video. "Uur van de Wolf", 19.00 Nederland... 3, I thought.
Two editions, Erik?
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Posted By: unclemeat69
Date Posted: April 21 2007 at 16:42
Thanks for the tip. I just checked, it's on Nederland 2 not position, year of birth.  ------------- Follow your bliss |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: April 21 2007 at 17:43
I attended a Frank Zappa concert in the early Eighties, great to see all those hippie fathers with their kids on their shoulders and Zappa frequently tuning his guitar with his headphone on while the band played the most amazing time signatures  but Zappa remained in control, his most favorite hobby  !
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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: April 22 2007 at 12:24
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Can someone rename this thread to "DE HAAG BRUìST" and move it to the non-music related discussions section? ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: April 22 2007 at 12:39
Hihi, we Hagenezen are taking over 
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: April 22 2007 at 13:13
 Jules Deelder, night mayor of Rotterdam
Only in your dreams!
Rotterdam is the place to be!
(And Menen, Belgium
)Den Haag waar leg dat dan?
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Posted By: unclemeat69
Date Posted: April 22 2007 at 13:35
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Can we take it back to music?
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: April 22 2007 at 14:14
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Yes, we can, sorry 'bout that
I read you like Fela Kuti. Now that's an artist I would like to check out once. Is there an album you can recommend? I have the idea that he made many albums.
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Posted By: unclemeat69
Date Posted: April 23 2007 at 16:33
You're right, there are quite a lot of albums. Most of his total output is available on CD (2 albums per CD), with a few of them missing.. As his albums usually sound more like 12" singles (rarely crossing the 30minute mark in total) , it might be best to try some of his 70's albums like Gentleman or Zombie as the songs are a little shorter like 10 to 15 minutes, in the 80's his songs would be closer to 30 minutes (best to hear those on cd rather than lp as the songs are cut in two halves on vynil, an instrumental side with some saxophone/piano,guitar solos, and a vocal side). The typical Fela song would have an instrumental section and a vocal section, where the basic groove his being maintained throughout the song. But there's lots and lots happening on top of the groove. So probably my favorite 70's albums: Gentleman/Afrodisiac Zombie Monkey Banana/Excuse-O J.J.D./Unnecessary Begging Favorite 80's albums (if you've survived the above mentioned): Teacher Don't Teach Me Nonsense Beasts Of No Nation/Overtake Don Overtake Overtake There's also a compilation 2cd (which I don't have, because I have all the albums already). This one is called Best Best of Fela, which the selection done by his son Femi. Hope this has been helpful to you. ------------- Follow your bliss |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: April 24 2007 at 03:11
Yes, very much! I once heard a long track on the radio by Fela that was fascinating. He was raging against... I think it was I.T.T., probably some western multinational in Africa. So he got on my list of artists-I-would-like-to-check-out.
Thanks!
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Posted By: unclemeat69
Date Posted: April 24 2007 at 13:12
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A lot of his earlier songs were about african culture, which upset a
lot of the african governments who tried to perform well as european
puppets. So Fela got in trouble with the Nigerian governement many
times, he was severely attacked expecially by Obansanjo (the very same
guy who is in charge overthere now, one of his henchman was Yar'Adua,
who supposedly won the current election). So Fela's songs became more
and more political. ITT (IInternational Thief Thief) being one of them.
If you want some more (the whole collection?), http://biochem.chem.nagoya-u.ac.jp/~endo/EAFela.html here
you can find a very large, detailed discography of the man (mostly
vinyl stuff). Does anyone have any idea how I can put links here? ------------- Follow your bliss |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: April 24 2007 at 13:32
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http://biochem.chem.nagoya-u.ac.jp/~endo/EAFela.html - http://biochem.chem.nagoya-u.ac.jp/~endo/EAFela.html .html
Like this. Click on the globe symbol above your message box (right from the spell check, left from the emoticons. You can insert a hyperlink now.
Thanks!
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Posted By: unclemeat69
Date Posted: April 24 2007 at 14:06
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thnx back . http://www.afromix.org/html/musique/artistes/fela_anikulapo_kuti/index.en.html - http://www.afromix.org/html/musique/artistes/fela_anikulapo_kuti/index.en.html another discography with cd's available and a dvd. I warn you about the man's attitude during concerts (I made a concious choice never to see him live because of this, his recordings are enough for me), because he yells and screams at his musicians, he's known to beat his (numerous) wives etc. A genuine  He died about 10 years ago ------------- Follow your bliss |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: April 24 2007 at 16:49
Really! (About the yelling, beating etc.) Thanks once again. Yes, I know he died. I also remember that some of his children had a band (Femi, Sola and Yeni). And I remember that Femi saw his father as the leader of Africa. I suppose because of the political messages in his music.
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