Marillion - Fish

Reed Lover wrote: Marillion - Fish

Can't agree with that Reed, after the departure of Fish, both Fish as Marillion survived pretty well without each other. Just never reached the quality they possessed together.

Can't think of any band that faded into oblivion after the departure of one member.

mirco wrote: Maybe Zeppelin couldn't deal with Boham's death, I'm not so sure about this fact (Rob the Plant sure have an answer to this).

Zeppelin where already at the end of their road, it was a good time to stop.

Page tried to get Plant into XYZ, but that project was put on a shelf after one rehearsal with Plant (XYZ = Page, Squire and White it ment eX-Yes-Zeppelin). some of the works were later used by the Firm and by Yes if I'm correct.

mirco wrote: There are certain bands that couldn't survive the departure of one member. Right now, I'm thinking about The Doors: after Morrison's death. the band falls apart. Maybe Queen is another one, except that even before Mercury gones they already were practically out of business. Any other example?

Led Zeppelin felt they couldn't continue without Bonham.

Sometimes bands don't know when to give up and go on forever producing inferior music like Black Sabbath ...

BUT i heard that The Doors have re-grouped with (Ray Manzarek heading i think) and released some new material according to a friend of mine, and its supposed to be pretty impressive too. Queen are touring with Paul Rodgers from Free soon too, be interesting to see how that goes.

STEVE HACKETT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if you compare the solo career work of Collins, Banks, Rutherford & Hackett, then Hackett's one is the most elaborated! Genesis slowly died, starting fron ATTWT.

Petra wrote: producing inferior music like Black Sabbath ...

Woah, I'll have to disagree there.  I think Black Sabbath did some of their best work in their Post-Ozzy years.

John Gargo wrote: Petra wrote: producing inferior music like Black Sabbath ... Woah, I'll have to disagree there.  I think Black Sabbath did some of their best work in their Post-Ozzy years.

I was listening to Heaven & Hell last night! It is an excellant heavy rock album and Dio is a superb rock vocalist.

You must be psychic John-I was playing it whilst I was winding you up!

The Dio album's are great...  Particularly DEHUMANIZER.  It has some of Iommi's heaviest, doomiest riffs (harking back to the Ozzy days) but with Dio at the helm, making it one of their very best albums, IMO.  And, of course, HEAVEN AND HELL is a total classic.  Favorite cut on that one is "Die Young."

frenchie wrote: wasn't porcupine tree actually a one man band for one point?

jup.. and no-one can get between him and his ego

also: bruce with pineapple thief..

greenback wrote: STEVE HACKETT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if you compare the solo career work of Collins, Banks, Rutherford & Hackett, then Hackett's one is the most elaborated! Genesis slowly died, starting fron ATTWT.

Genesis died very slowly though.  I wanna say "Genesis" was their last album with anything slighty good on it. ATTWT in my opinion is a contiuation of Wind & Wuthering.  I could listen to those back to back.

Jethro Tull; i mean can you picture Tehm without Ian anderson

SPOCK'S BEARD after Neal Morse left has been so out of focus...

Actually, their last three Neal-era albums have had their ups and downs, but IMHO "Snow" had some signals of full frontal creative recovery - and then, Neal left, and all the euphoria and fuel that were still left in SB's music and performance skills was gone. Don't pay attention to the titles of the post-Neal albums -- they're so deceitful!!!

Van Der Graaf Generator without Peter Hammill also springs to mind.

Likewise Thin Lizzy and Phil Lynnott.

The Who should have called it a day after Moon died - they could have gone on working together, just under a different name.

Valarius wrote: Megadeth. Mustaine leaves, so does the band. (They're now back, kinda).

That's a good one.  Motorhead is another band like that with Lemmy essentially always at the helm.

I must say that Krieger had a really good solo career though! Never heard anything by Densmore (If he did anything after Morrison kicked the bucket) or Manzarek though.

The Doors did a gig last year, they engaged a famous singer which name is elusive to me right now. During the years they hadn't produced new music, they were redoing the old songs over and over.

Edit: the famous wasn´t the singer, but the drummer: Stuart Copeland take the place of former drummer, cause the latter suffers from a hearing discapability.

mirco wrote: The Doors did a gig last year, they engaged a famous singer which name is elusive to me right now. During the years they hadn't produced new music, they were redoing the old songs over and over. Edit: the famous wasn´t the singer, but the drummer: Stuart Copeland take the place of former drummer, cause the latter suffers from a hearing discapability.

Didn't the Latter also sue them for ruining the great name of the Doors?

ME!

Well this is pretty simple... but Emerson Lake & Palmer wouldn't be the same band if any of them left...

It could be Emerson Lake & somebody else

or Emerson & Palmer and somebody else

or Lake & Palmer and somebody else...

but in order for them to be Emerson Lake & Palmer... they all 3 have to be there!!

the musical box wrote: Jethro Tull; i mean can you picture Tehm without Ian anderson

Haha, I was just thinking that.

Another obvious one... Pnk Floyd. They just weren't the same after Roger Waters left. Albums like The Divison Bell are good, but they are nowhere near the quality of Animals, WYWH, DSOTM, Meddle, Atom Heart Mother... even The Wall.

The only reason why I didn't mention Piper is because it was predominantly Syd Barrett.

Another one: Axel Rudi Pell.

If Axel Rudi Pell left the band, they wouldn't be called Axel Rudi Pell anymore? Geddit?

(ARP can also be replaced with Van Halen).

mirco wrote: The Doors did a gig last year, they engaged a famous singer which name is elusive to me right now. During the years they hadn't produced new music, they were redoing the old songs over and over. Edit: the famous wasn´t the singer, but the drummer: Stuart Copeland take the place of former drummer, cause the latter suffers from a hearing discapability.

I just found out that The Doors toured last year with Ian Astbury from the Cult as front man, you are right its all old songs though.

illustrated wrote: Another obvious one... Pnk Floyd. They just weren't the same after Roger Waters left. Albums like The Divison Bell are good, but they are nowhere near the quality of Animals, WYWH, DSOTM, Meddle, Atom Heart Mother... even The Wall. The only reason why I didn't mention Piper is because it was predominantly Syd Barrett.

Actually I know a lot of people who would disagree with you on that.  And evidently according to sales, PF did just as well, if not better after Roger Waters was gone.  Personally I think TDB and AMLOR are just as good, if not better than the Wall, and quite a few earlier Floyd albums.

Well this is pretty simple... but Emerson Lake & Palmer wouldn't be the same band if any of them left...

but in order for them to be Emerson Lake & Palmer... they all 3 have to be there!!

Really three fates how should you think of such a thing.

OMG U GUYS GENESIS WITHOUT BILL BRUFORD AND TO A CERTAIN DEGREE TONY BANKS

stalk stalk stalk

Kansas without Steve Walsh was pathetic.  Kansas actually fared better than I expected without Kerry Livgren (The two that had Livgren but not Walsh were terrible, but the output with Walsh but not Livgren was underrated, even though I consider Livgren the better songwriter).  Though...  Livgren, on his own, in a different situation (Proto-Kaw, solo work) was outstanding, so it might've just been Vinyl Confessions and Drastic Measures.

As for bands that are still together...  we'd have no Flower Kings without Roine Stolt, and no Dream Theater without Mike Portnoy...  I daresay we could lose ANY of the other guys, even Petrucci, Myung, or LaBrie, and still have DT, but without Portnoy it just wouldn't happen.  King Crimson without Robert Fripp...  also another no-go.

For me, "one man bands" are the "bands" which aren`t really bands, because the rest of the musicians are almost the employees of the leader. It is really a soloist working under a band`s name, IMO.

Examples: Jethro Tull; Crash Test Dummies; The Cure; Oasis;Van der Graaf Generator;The Kinks; etc.

The Doors didn`t split very soon after Jim Morrison died. They recorded two albums as a trio (with some extra musicians): "Other Voices" (1971) and "Full Circle" (1972). Their label (Elektra Records) had some confidence in them as musicians, so Elektra signed them again after Morrison died (because their contract with Elektra was finished with their last album with Morrison, "L.A. Woman", also released in 1971). They were rehearsing without Morrison, when he went to Paris. When he died there, they had doubts to carry on, but the confidence of Elektra gave them confidence in themselves. They thought a bit  about changing the name of the band, but they didn`t change it. They toured with exta musicians for those two albums, which are good albums, IMO, as the trio were themselves very good musicians. But sales of those albums were not as good as before. Krieger and Manzarek sang, doing a decent job. After their last tour, in late 1972, they went to England to look for a new lead singer. But Manzarek left Krieger and Densmore, and The Doors split then. Krieger and Densmore carried on playing together with a new band called "The Butts Band" which recorded two albums and split in 1975."Other Voices" and "Full Circle" are out of print since a long time ago. I saw in the Internet that they were relased on CD in Russia, but this release (both albums in one CD) is not legal, I think.

Some years ago, in the late 90s, The Doors appeared in a "Storytellers" TV programme with various singers, including Ian Atsbury. After that, Krieger and Manzarek wanted to continue with Atsbury on vocals. But Densmore left them, and sued them because he didn`t want them to use "The Doors" name. So, Manzarek and Krieger continued touring with Atsbury, Stewart Copeland on drums (for a short time; he was later replaced by another drummer) and a bassist, as "The Doors of the 21st Century". It seems that they also wanted to record new songs.

Guillermo...  I've been very interested in those two post-Morrison Doors albums for quite some time.  You mention that they're good albums.  Could you perhaps describe to me some more what the albums SOUND like?  I ask this since The Doors went through some obvious major changes from their debut to LA Woman...  Are these albums more in the blues-rock tradition of their last two studio albums, or does it harken back to their more psychedelic/loungy earlier material?

John Gargo wrote: Guillermo...  I've been very interested in those two post-Morrison Doors albums for quite some time.  You mention that they're good albums.  Could you perhaps describe to me some more what the albums SOUND like?  I ask this since The Doors went through some obvious major changes from their debut to LA Woman...  Are these albums more in the blues-rock tradition of their last two studio albums, or does it harken back to their more psychedelic/loungy earlier material?

John:

The sound of The Doors in these albums is more oriented to jazz-rock improvisation in some songs plus some Pop Rock influences and even some Latin Music influences. If you have listened to the music of the "An American Prayer" album (released in 1978), an album with music by Manzarek, Densmore and Krieger to Morrison`s poetry (which he recorded in late 1970 alone, the rest of The Doors added music to this poetry in 1978), the style of the music is similar to the style of "Other Voices" and "Full Circle". But I prefer more those 1971 and 1972 albums than "An American Prayer". If you want to listen to "Other Voices" and "Full Circle" , you can buy them in http://www.ebay.com - www.ebay.com   . I have seen them (including that Russian CD) several times in that website. They are not expensive.

I can`t believe that those albums are not mentioned in The Doors`official website. But at least  they are included in Robbie Krieger`s official website.

mirco wrote: John Gargo wrote: Guillermo...  I've been very interested in those two post-Morrison Doors albums for quite some time.  You mention that they're good albums.  Could you perhaps describe to me some more what the albums SOUND like?  I ask this since The Doors went through some obvious major changes from their debut to LA Woman...  Are these albums more in the blues-rock tradition of their last two studio albums, or does it harken back to their more psychedelic/loungy earlier material? I haven't hear those albums, but I heared a musical critic, which opinion I rely on, speak so bad about them that I never bother to listen to them.

Mirco:

Sometimes I tend to be more against  the opinions of some of the musical critics. It seems that sometimes when they speak badly of some album, I like the album, or when they praise a lot one album, I don`t agree with them. For example, some critics say that "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" is Genesis` best album. For me, it`s not the best, I prefer "A Trick of the Tail" and others. Other critics say that without Roger Waters Pink Floyd was over. But I prefer "The Divsion Bell" much more than "The Wall". In the case of The Doors and other bands (like Genesis), I prefer to have an open mind to listen to their albums without their very  praised lead singers. Both lead singers were very important for both bands, but the sound of the bands as a whole was done by every member of the band, not only by their singers. If you have listened to a Doors`compilation album called "13" (not released on CD), you can see in the back cover of that L.P.  that the songs have individual songwriting  credits and that Morrison didn`t compose all the songs by himself. For example, "Light My Fire" was composed by Krieger. Maybe some bands don`t  sound the same without some members, but if they have talent, they can compose good music too.

Ten Years After - Definitly Alvin Lee's band !

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Lunar 

Twelfth Night - no Geoff Mann, no Twelfth Night

Yes without Jon Anderson or Steve Howe

Naked City, Massada and Painkiller without John Zorn

Camel without Andy Latimer

Pendragon without Nick Barrett

Type O'Negative without Peter Steele

Metallica without Cliff Burton. It's been a downward spiral since "Master...".  Any of the others can be replaced, yes, even Hetfield, the singers from Threshold, Evereve or The Quiet Room being potential candidates.

Lunarscape wrote: Ten Years After - Definitly Alvin Lee's band ! _________ Lunar

Hello, Lunar:

I was surprised toread that in the last 3 or four years there was/is a TEN YEARS AFTER line-up on tour without Alvin Lee! The rest of the band members replaced him with another guitarist/singer.I found this news in some websites dedicated to TEN YEARS AFTER.

Other examples: CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVISITED (without main songwriter John Fogerty), GRAND FUNK RAILROAD (without main songwriter Mark Farner).

Manunkind wrote: Yes without Jon Anderson or Steve Howe

Take a listen to Peter Banks guitarwork on the  first two Yes albums (very few effects pedals in those days!)  and then the first two studio and the live Flash albums, and the guitarist has his moments!

Dick Heath wrote: Manunkind wrote: Yes without Jon Anderson or Steve Howe   Take a listen to Peter Banks guitarwork on the  first two Yes albums (very few effects pedals in those days!)  and then the first two studio and the live Flash albums, and the guitarist has his moments!

I heard one of the Flash albums you mentioned, and Peter Banks is without a doubt a fine guitarist. Nonetheless, if he replaced Howe, Yes wouldn't be Yes anymore, although they would probably still produce good music...

Manunkind wrote: Dick Heath wrote: Manunkind wrote: Yes without Jon Anderson or Steve Howe   Take a listen to Peter Banks guitarwork on the  first two Yes albums (very few effects pedals in those days!)  and then the first two studio and the live Flash albums, and the guitarist has his moments! I heard one of the Flash albums you mentioned, and Peter Banks is without a doubt a fine guitarist. Nonetheless, if he replaced Howe, Yes wouldn't be Yes anymore, although they would probably still produce good music...

I agree. Peter Banks is a very good musician. His work, particularly in YES`first album, is great. In "Time and a Word" his guitar is also good, but the mixing and the use of an orchestra made difficult to listen to his guitars. I also like the first album of "Flash". He sounds very creative there.

Velvetclown wrote: Dixie Dregs

Dolly Parton without her backup duo would still be just another country singer.