Yeah, let's start a witch hunt................................!

mirco wrote: Maybe I should make this "poll only"...

Why should the poles be the only ones entitled to an opinion?

center left, but left enough to list it as left.

Sweetnighter wrote: as a libertarian, i'm liberal on social issues (pro-abortion, pro-free speech, anti-drug war, etc) but economically conservative (free market laissez-faire, no tariffs, property rights, etc). Given that i'm somewhat in the middle, but seeing as how I'd rather vote Republican over Democrat, I guess I'm center-right.

Ditto.

When comedian Pat Paulsen was running for president (for real), someone asked him if he was left-wing or right-wing.  His response: "Well, I'm sort of middle of the bird."

Peace.

Centre left, pro European,anti war, surrender monkey...

Thats me 

This may come as a surprise to Mirco but I would classify myself as center right but on the social side I am a slightly leftist. Unfortunately centrism is too often linked with conservatism. I am pro-choice, pro-free speech , anti-war, and beg for a non-religious world. This certainly does not make me a conservateur , and I will be slapped as a left-wing by most right wingers. So right or left wing ..... I'm not sure anymore.

In the Usa, they have only one choice: the right-wing Democrats or the very-wing Republicans. It is the only country in the world where being labeled a liberal , you are then a leftist! Amazing!!! But like most of the rest of the planet , I wished the democrats would win. The Republicans have also a very bad habit of driving the deficit through the roof!

Reed Lover wrote: mirco wrote: Maybe I should make this "poll only"... Why should the poles be the only ones entitled to an opinion?

Funny one Reed .

I used to be a left winger. But as I got older and wiser.... I moved more central with a license to roam playing behind a front two

Reed Lover wrote: mirco wrote: Maybe I should make this "poll only"... Why should the poles be the only ones entitled to an opinion?

Because it doesn't matter who you vote for in Poland, you always end up with the same old sh*t.

This way one can remain impartial and avoid witch hunts, Reed Lover.

Sean Trane wrote: Not meaning to re-start on our previous disagreement but you actually think your country's economy is leftist?

Well it continually increases spending on Public Services. In terms of British Socialism, that is still on-message,at least!I dont see taxation being reduced for the very rich, just less draconian more pragmatic levels being maintained.

Hi Reed

I forgot to quote Mirco regarding his Venezuela statement.

For internal matters on the European Commission issues , I propose to see next month if we can set-up an agenda for the following three years to see when discussions about the the discussion of the side issues can take place. Say the 32nd of feb. 2065?????

Sean Trane wrote: Hi Reed I forgot to quote Mirco regarding his Venezuela statement. For internal matters on the European Commission issues , I propose to see next month if we can set-up an agenda for the following three years to see when discussions about the the discussion of the side issues can take place. Say the 32nd of feb. 2065?????

I will make that a date Sean. The right wing governments will have added 4 days to every month so as to get more work out of us and have 48 more trading days per year, by then.Although I will be 83 yrs old and senile,I doubt you will notice any difference in my posts!

But Reed ,

you are right this new agreement being voted is mainly economic and not social, It could be disastrous for John Doe and Howard Hughes admirers will laugh all the way to the bank. If once the UK can use their veto correctly , it could be now!!! Against its own Commissioner Kinnock.

Sean Trane wrote: But Reed , you are right this new agreement being voted is mainly economic and not social, It could be disastrous for John Doe and Howard Hughes admirers will laugh all the way to the bank. If once the UK can use their veto correctly , it could be now!!! Against its own Commissioner Kinnock.

Kinnock, that's an anagram for inneffectual isn't it?

I suppose you would have to label my politics(such as they are) conservative.....

If i were in Britain i would probably vote Tory.......

If i were an American i would probably vote Republican......

given the results of the polls so far i geuss that would make me the bad guy!!

dude wrote: I suppose you would have to label my politics(such as they are) conservative..... If i were in Britain i would probably vote Tory....... If i were an American i would probably vote Republican...... given the results of the polls so far i geuss that would make me the bad guy!!

It take all sorts!

Alucard wrote: dude wrote: I suppose you would have to label my politics(such as they are) conservative..... If i were in Britain i would probably vote Tory....... If i were an American i would probably vote Republican...... given the results of the polls so far i geuss that would make me the bad guy!! It take all sorts!

Well at least you are not even moreon the extreme right, wishing for the KKK as political party!!!

At least , I hope not!

I'm a communist,

Central issues;

Freedom for Everyone (freewill, Free speach, free choice, free traffic, freedom of religion. all free)

equality of life, both intellectualy as economicly

(for those that don't know: Sovjet Union and eastern Europe before the fall of the wall, was Fascism, it had nothing to do with communism, same goes for all dictatorships, Communism knows no ruling class, all men together are supposed to be in charge of the direction, so in the end communism is also very much about democracy) Though communism is mostly an Utopian philosophy, and probably not possible to achieve in real life. I believe in it.

Embittered old lefty here. Not totally dogmatic about it, though, I believe in public ownership of utilities and essential services but industry and commerce should be left private (but not unregulated).

I believe that there is no reason why any human being on the surface of the planet should not have access to food, clothing, housing, medical treatment and education, and that if any of our alleged leaders are serious about the 'wars' on terrorism, drugs and crime then tackling poverty (absolute poverty to start with) should be the number 1 priority and this will not be achieved by military action. So there.

Syzygy wrote: Embittered old lefty here. Not totally dogmatic about it, though, I believe in public ownership of utilities and essential services but industry and commerce should be left private (but not unregulated). I believe that there is no reason why any human being on the surface of the planet should not have access to food, clothing, housing, medical treatment and education, and that if any of our alleged leaders are serious about the 'wars' on terrorism, drugs and crime then tackling poverty (absolute poverty to start with) should be the number 1 priority and this will not be achieved by military action. So there.

I agree wholeheartedly with this.

Probably just about encapsulates my own beliefs,Syz!

It's a pretty tough question- for one thing, my beliefs tend to be different in theory and in practice. I think that life is so complex that any basic statement of belief comes with a long string of qualifiers and addendum, almost always self-contradictory. I guess you could call me an Anarchic Hypocrite.

I believe strongly in the three pillars of the Bill of Rights: Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. We deserve them, we rarely get them, and we usually screw them up ourselves given half a chance.

Political parties, and all other personal beliefs, are like cars; everyone is led to believe they need one, so you pick one that seems to suit you...and then you end up driving on the same damn roads, in the same directions as everyone else.  

I believe in democracy to the extent that power derives from the will of the governed. However, it's pretty easy to get a majority of the people to believe lies and foolishness. And a "winner take all" approach ignores the fact that both sides of a debate can be equally valid, or equally invalid. We're all so eager to take a side, any side.

Mainly, I believe that placing our faith in commerce and convenience is a huge mistake. Most of our adult life revolves around earning, buying, and selling...and that strikes me as a rotten waste of the brief time we have here. The drive to industrialize, commercialize, and consumerize the planet has caused more suffering than any war or disaster in human history. And aligning this drive with "progress" and "practicality" has been, bar none, the single worst perversion of human thought. I have more moral contempt for the 'business world' than I do for rapists, racists, and serial killers combined. Especially since we can all hope not to become a rapist or serial killer, but almost nobody can hope to escape the economic infrastructure that makes all of our hands bloody.

I don't think society as we know it can be saved. Certainly not by any political party or leader or messiah; we need to change ourselves first. The true revolution begins in the individual, and the struggle is almost always lost as soon as it begins. Probably the only hope for the human race is to be forced to start all over again, and even then there's no guarantee we wouldn't go down the same (or other equally destructive) roads.

Without pledging my allegiance, I have the most sympathy for the hedonists who say we should just try to enjoy ourselves as our world destroys itself around us. However, I can't just laugh while I watch everything burn...so I'm forced to continue trying to improve things in my own small way while knowing how pointless it all is. In order to do that, you must compromise and set aside your reservations and deal with the world as it is, rather than mourn a lost chance at Utopia. So you grit your teeth and align yourself with something, knowing that the lesser of two evils is still really, really bad.

Which leads us right back to the usual questions, such as "left or right?"

James Lee wrote: Mainly, I believe that placing our faith in commerce and convenience is a huge mistake. Most of our adult life revolves around earning, buying, and selling...and that strikes me as a rotten waste of the brief time we have here. The drive to industrialize, commercialize, and consumerize the planet has caused more suffering than any war or disaster in human history. And aligning this drive with "progress" and "practicality" has been, bar none, the single worst perversion of human thought. I have more moral contempt for the 'business world' than I do for rapists, racists, and serial killers combined. Especially since we can all hope not to become a rapist or serial killer, but almost nobody can hope to escape the economic infrastructure that makes all of our hands bloody.

 Spot on James - and I think that this is an issue that transcends 'isms' and questions of left or right. Perhaps the most destructive aspect of the collapse of Communism has been the new orthodoxy that claims laissez faire capitalism is the only viable way forward. It's simply a way of re-distributing wealth to the already obscenely rich, and the sooner people wake up to this the better.

mirco wrote: I think that all that claims to be socialist would drastically change their minds after two o three months living in a socialist country like Cuba (not as tourist but as normal citizens). First of all, kiss this forum goodby. Forgot buying prog records. FORGOT WISKEY (oh my god, I need a zip right now!). Forgot the overall good living. But don't take my word for sure, take the risk and fo what I'm saying.

thats right because the capatalist extreme, facism, is so much better  thats why the U.S. and saddam got along right?

so now because of the way you said that whenever someone says "im right wing" ill say SO YOU SUPPORT SADDAMS WAY OF LIFE!? socialism doesnt mean communism, and capatalism doesnt mean facism. Dont say stuff like that its really ignorant.

Romania was a communist country up till 1989, and I was born in 1990. I hate communism, but  socialist ideas applied to democracy are the best, and that's a proven fact.

just gotta remind everyone that communism and democracy aren't opposites...capitalism and communism are. It's only a habit of opposition to communist (often in name only) nations that has given us this impression.

Communism can work, but like Christianity it depends on the peoples' consistent good will towards their fellow man...and so is amazingly prone to corruption and perversion. Capitalism depends on greed and aggression, and so far has been a resounding success for many.

Any successful future scheme (political, religious, etc.) will have to recognize all aspects of human nature, rather than playing one side only and attempting to bury the opposing impulses.

Left - democratic socialist.

It's tough here in Oklahoma.