Cert, what do you mean when you say "Yes....too many flaws"?

On-topic now!

Is this really an appropriate or desirable discussion?

I mean, do we really want a thread that features me arguing with half the site?

Maybe a poll... NO - I WAS KIDDING!!!

Certif1ed wrote: Is this really an appropriate or desirable discussion? I mean, do we really want a thread that features me arguing with half the site? Maybe a poll... NO - I WAS KIDDING!!!

C'mon-I'm not setting you up,just interested to see what you mean by flaws...

Give or I'll poll you to death buster!

heck - I'll start you off with a 'guilt list'

Jon Anderson - takes the blame for pint-sized mystical nonsense and miniature harps plus the barnyard animals calamity during recording of tales

Rick Wakeman - spelling Motzart badly on the sleeve notes of Fragile and for having optics on his Hammond during the tales tour and biryanis.

Chris Squire - for being overbearing, thinking he's the centre of the universe and for playing too darn loud.

Bill Bruford - for leaving

Alan White - for making me sit next to his 108 year old mum at a concert. spooky.

Steve Howe - for looking like the bloke who lives in a Fed Ex box at the end of my street and for coming up with Tales

Trevor Horn - for offences against eyewear and for being eerily like Anderson.

Trevor Rabin - for bombastic, awful soundtracks to Jerry Bruckheimer movies. For being the favoured soundtrack writer of Don Simpson - can't be a good recommendation

Patrick Moraz - for being French in a built-up area.

any more......

LOL, I love Yes and I can find many flaws...I can't wait to hear what folks who dislike them can come up with!

Jon Anderson: at least four too many vocal overdubs on any given song. Plus the scatting can get to be a little much, especially later on in the discography. And don't even get me started on the solo albums!

Steve Howe: incredible disdain for good guitar tones. And don't even get me started on the solo albums!

Wakeman: sometimes less is more. Sometimes none is better still. And don't even get me started on the solo albums!

Wakeman's (aka God) solo stuff is wildly over-rated.

Journey To The Centre Of The Earth: rule of thumb-avoid all albums with narrators.
Embarrassing bombast, makes ELP sound minimalist and relevnt.Although superior to:

The Myths And Legends of King Arthur etc:the title is too bloody long for starters.
Question to Rick: This-why?This album is atrocious.

Six Wives is very good and unusually for a Wakeman solo album is relatively restrained and enjoyable.

All that New Age "pay the bills" bollocks:sh*te of the highest order and Ricardo you should be bloody ashamed.

arcer wrote: heck - I'll start you off with a 'guilt list' Jon Anderson - takes the blame for pint-sized mystical nonsense and miniature harps plus the barnyard animals calamity during recording of tales Rick Wakeman - spelling Motzart badly on the sleeve notes of Fragile and for having optics on his Hammond during the tales tour and biryanis. Chris Squire - for being overbearing, thinking he's the centre of the universe and for playing too darn loud. Bill Bruford - for leaving Alan White - for making me sit next to his 108 year old mum at a concert. spooky. Steve Howe - for looking like the bloke who lives in a Fed Ex box at the end of my street and for coming up with Tales Trevor Horn - for offences against eyewear and for being eerily like Anderson. Trevor Rabin - for bombastic, awful soundtracks to Jerry Bruckheimer movies. For being the favoured soundtrack writer of Don Simpson - can't be a good recommendation Patrick Moraz - for being French in a built-up area. any more......

Yes peopel aren't afraid to criticize Yes!

Yes are overrated.

Generally overrated or just in prog circles?

Certif1ed wrote: Yes are overrated.

Substantiate.

ie Radiohead are not prog because.................................

Sweetnighter wrote: What barnyard animal crisis?

Its not as kinky as its sounds..

As I understand it Jon wanted to record in the countryside - in the woods..in a tent by all accounts. The others didn't so as a compromise they recorded in the town, but decked the studio out to look like a farm yard, with little fences separating all the pieces of equipment, and 2D cut outs of farm animals.

Im not making this up, I promise. You couldn't if you tried.

I like Yes, and I think their music is riddled with flaws, but I dont care. For Gods sake I like Hawkwind!! If I'm able to put up with flat vocals, bad sax playing and out of time drumming, I can put up with Yes's random confused sounding cacophonous racket. I'm less able to take in their moments of sheer nonesense like 'The Circus of Heaven'

I like to think they were being 'ironic' when they wrote that, or at least tripping their nuts off on acid. But I have a hunch niether may have been the case.

Reed Lover wrote: Certif1ed wrote: Yes are overrated. Substantiate. ie Radiohead are not prog because.................................

But Radiohead ARE prog

But Yes isn't overrated. It's impossible to overrate CTTE, The Yes Album, Relayer and Time And A Word. (IMO of Course).

Their where maybe some flaws in TFTO and Fragile and in their debut album, but not big ones.

After Relayer, it went downhill, but till then Yes where magnificent.

The only overrated part of Yes was, and is Wakeman, tediously uninspired on TFTO, no noteworthy contribution on Fragile and generally boring in his solo-carreer.

Certif1ed wrote: It sends me to sleep.

Haha, I fell asleep listening to the Yes Album.

Fragile wrote: Certif1ed wrote: Yes are overrated. Certified is what you need.

How dare these Radiohead fans attack real prog!

threefates wrote: I still use "CTTE" as a sleep aid.  Works every time!

And using ELP as a sexual aid no doubt!

Reed Lover wrote: Fragile wrote: Certif1ed wrote: Yes are overrated. Certified is what you need. How dare these Radiohead fans attack real prog!

Have you heard Kid A or OK Computer, and listened without the intention to immediately dismiss them afterwards?

Fragile wrote: 3 Fates your journey into Rip Van Winkle land started the moment you heard ELP'S first note.

Sorry Fragile... thats when I actually woke up!  You can say what you want about ELP... but putting someone to sleep is definitely not their deal!

Reed Lover wrote: threefates wrote: I still use "CTTE" as a sleep aid.  Works every time! And using ELP as a sexual aid no doubt!

They do make mighty fine sexual aids...   the boys are just gorgeous!!

So Reed;

I don't have a problem at all.

Most Yes fans seem to agree that their music is full of flaws.

What's the point of an argument with people that agree with you?

So far, I am not persuaded to change my opinions of Yes, as even people that like them agree that the music is far from perfect. And I won't even start on the vocals or lyrics

They are definitely overrated, since people rave about them, then, when you ask, admit that the music is flawed. Hence over rated.

I will stick to plan A, and make my opinions known in reviews .

Certif1ed wrote: So Reed; I don't have a problem at all. Most Yes fans seem to agree that their music is full of flaws. What's the point of an argument with people that agree with you? So far, I am not persuaded to change my opinions of Yes, as even people that like them agree that the music is far from perfect. And I won't even start on the vocals or lyrics They are definitely overrated, since people rave about them, then, when you ask, admit that the music is flawed. Hence over rated. I will stick to plan A, and make my opinions known in reviews .

Bah, damn these lily-livered Yes Fans!

Once more the devil farts in my face!

I definitely need a raspberry blowing smiley for Cert's posts!