Public Cigarette Smoking
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Topic: Public Cigarette Smoking
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Subject: Public Cigarette Smoking
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 12:18
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Here in the States, some individual States have adopted public smoking only outside of buildings. No smoking inside....period. No ventilated rooms for tavern or restaurant patrons are allowed.
As a former smoker, I think the laws have gone overboard.
While I understand the rights of the non-smoker, I always did my part to not be next to someone who chose not to smoke. Common courtesy, you know. Things seem to have swung completely the other way and smokers have some rights being violated, in my eyes.
Not to mention, nothing went better with a beer than a smoke.
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Posted By: Paradox
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 14:16
So true.
A complete ban on smoking in enclosed spaces is to be introduced in England on July 1st. The ban has come into force in Ireland, Scotland and Wales already.
I personally think it is good. Even though I am a smoker, I feel that the ban is a good reason to attempt to stop smoking, which I will thank myself for in later life (even though I enjoy it very much at present).
The effects of passive smoking are quite awful, and it makes me feel rather guilty to think that something I am doing with no intent to harm others is doing just that. ------------- 
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StyLaZyn wrote:Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 16:20
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I am a former smoker, and I don't enjoy smoke filled rooms. However, I think laws intended to save people from themselves are ridiculous. I can see no smoking in an office, or other work environment. For a place like a bar, or restaurant, it should be left to the owner. The proprietor should be able to choose whether to allow smoking or not. Non-smokers do not have to patronize smoking establishments. The market will decide how many should exist. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: darkmatter
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 16:23
| I voted for the second option. I respect people if they want to smoke, but it's irritating when I'm walking to the entrance of a building and I can't avoid the smell of cigarette smoke when I'm walking in. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 16:28
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Here in Maryland you can't smoke in any public building,bar or restaraunt.Now they are trying to totally ban smoking outside in public.
That is a little ridiculous.I am a former smoker and can sympathize with people who smoke.They are sort of treated like second-class citizens,and that isn't right.I think the public smoking ban is a little overboard. -------------  |
Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 16:35
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It does violates my rights and damages my health more than any smoking. Three transatlantic return flights I had in my life turned out to be 6 complete 8 to 10 hours nightmares because smoking is prohibited at the airports as well. I felt so sick after those flights that I made a decision to quit flying and avoid USA when/where possible due to discrimination of smokers there. C'mon people smoking areas should be arranged everywhere even if one single smoker could happen to be there. ------------- carefulwiththataxe |
Posted By: blaughida
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 16:37
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As someone who is extremely sensitive to smoke (I feel nauseated and sometimes have trouble breathing when exposed to it, which can be really scary) I absolutely would like to see it banned from public places. Smoking is fortunately banned indoors in my city and at my school, but when I walk along the pathways and sidewalks around here I can't help but inhale smoke, which is bad for my health and makes me feel very ill. Your right to make yourself sick does not extend to a right to make any person who passes you on the sidewalk sick. Smoking should at least be banned on sidewalks because nonsmoking pedestrians have no choice but to walk through the smoke; I'd be more okay with permitting smoking in larger open spaces. |
Posted By: kazansky
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 16:43
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third option for me. in my country there's smoking areas insides some buildings. i don't like the smell of the smokes, but looks like i get a bit used to it now ------------- The devil we blame our atrocities on is really just each one of us. |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 16:51
I don't smoke and don;t plan on starting(tobacco at least ) but I find tobacco smoke rather pleasant. And it's definitely better outside than in buildings. It should be banned in public buildings(it already is in most) and private businesses can do whatever they want. Out in the street however, people should be allowed to smoke.
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 17:23
But seriously, how much of that smoke do you think you actually inhale? People who live in large cities breathe in more junk in the air than you could ever get from second hand smoke. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 17:27
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The first option of course! I HATE smoke from cigarettes!
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 19:12
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I don't mind people smoking in public, even though I only smoke during a party or on a good night out. It's OK as long as they take care of the non-smokers around (by not blowing smoke on them etc.) ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: April 05 2007 at 09:19
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Businesses should have the choice whether to allow/ban smoking in their
establishments. The government has no right to set such a standard for
private institutions. I say this as a non-smoker who hates the smell of
smoke, but the principle here is of more importance than the
inconvienence it causes me.
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: April 05 2007 at 11:12
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I am a Libertarian and even though I hate smoking, I think that a ban has no place in a free society. ------------- 
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Posted By: jalas
Date Posted: April 05 2007 at 13:44
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It doesn't violate my rights, but if we are going to be so sterile, when we go to another country, we will suffer and we will seem like soft, ignorant Americans. ------------- 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 05 2007 at 13:49
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as a hopelessly addicted smoker whose promise to quit when I got to Italy lasted all of 3 days... smoking is a choice ...not a right.... public health takes priority over the right to kill one's self... killing others sort of makes 'the right to smoke' sort of silly ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: April 05 2007 at 13:57
That is the sticky point. We have so many other freedoms that are choices, things we choose to enjoy, that now we have a case where a simple pleasure, even though potentially harmful, may no longer be allowed. Is is that isolated or does this open up a precedent for other freedoms to be infringed upon?
And can we sue those factories for polluting our air and waters while we are at it?  -------------
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 05 2007 at 14:03
hahhahah... I can sympathize.. with the Left taking the simple pleasures of a smoke away, the right wanting to take other rights away (steering clear of that). It does appear that our rights are under assault doesn't it. Government has always thought it knows better than we do. It's a fact, we have to live with as americans... or as people for that matter have to learn to accept and live with. I've been following some things while here in Italy and they aren't much better. At least we don't have the Catholic church f*cking around in our politics hahahhahah ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 05 2007 at 14:04
I know ... smokers tend to think that just moving farther away from non-smokers solves the problem ... it doesn't. Banning smoking inside buildings (and at the entrances of buildings) is the only way. And about your rights: Ok, kill yourself ... but not others.  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aoty-2024/vote" rel="nofollow - 2024 Release Poll Listened to: 
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: April 05 2007 at 14:12
Now wait, Mike, moving away does help solve the problem. Simply smelling cigarette smoke does not mean it's harmful. Sitting right next to someone and inhaling the thick unfiltered stuff is, but even there, a few random instances isn't harmful. Creating distance dilutes the smoke, thus the hazard.
These anti-smoking campaigns have used fear and created something that is a big exaggeration. Smelling the volatile organics off of gasoline while filling your tank is hazardous. Why don't they point out how bad the benzene, toluene, xylenes, etc...are harmful when filling your tank? -------------
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 05 2007 at 14:16
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^ the problem is that once smoking inside buildings is allowed with certain restrictions, whether you are affected by smokers or not depends on where you sit in the room, whether someone opens a window or not etc. etc.. The *only* way to ensure smoke free buildings is to ban smoking within them ... clear rules which can be enforced effectively. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aoty-2024/vote" rel="nofollow - 2024 Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: April 05 2007 at 14:22
True, to have a smoke free building, then yes, no smoking.
 However, the idea of ventilated smoking rooms, shouldn't be negated. I think its gone from one extreme to the other. If the hazard to others is removed, then what is the issue? Smell of smoke on the clothes of the smoker? -------------
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: April 05 2007 at 22:26
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I know here in Jersey theres been...pretty much a virtual ban of all smoking inside.
I like it, just since I don't smoke.
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: April 05 2007 at 22:36
There's a recent law here in Puerto Rico banning smoking in confined places. Some people are put off by it, but I think its safer and healthier that way. ------------- 
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 05 2007 at 22:38
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I'm a smoker (20 cigarrettes a day or more) but thers's nothing so disgusting as a room full of smoke, Here the Casinos for example allow smoking anywhere and the rare ocasions I go I rather play in the non smokers area (It's very small). The law clearly says the public places may allow smoking only if they have areas without solid roof, generally only is alowed in outside areas, but this is dead letter, everybody smokes where they want. I try not to bother anybody and if I have the doubt I rather stand up and go to the exterior to smoke.
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Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: April 05 2007 at 22:44
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there is a ban on smoking in All public and commercial confined spaces where I live. The real issue is that Marijuanna, Cocane, and Heroin are illegal. Tobbaco is just as bad, ither all of them are legal or all of them arn't. It dosen't make sense to pick and choose based on the economic value of a particular crop. ------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: April 05 2007 at 22:48
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As I have shown in the other thread, I'm not the biggest fan of tobacco. I fully support indoor bans on smoking. I don't want to be affected with smoke in a restaurant or a waiting room, not just because of second hand smoke but just the fact that it's extremely unpleasant. It's not like the outdoors is too far way. It's just a small step and smokers don't have to go too far out of the way for the greater good of all non-smokers. -------------  <font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR] |
Posted By: darkmatter
Date Posted: April 06 2007 at 00:06
I agree, that has made me really happy. Sometimes, I go to a diner near my house with some friends, and people used to smoke on the left side all the time, and it smelled awful. But now it's totally clean, and I can't smell a bit of tobacco smoke. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: April 06 2007 at 00:52
Absolutely, it feels so weird going to diners out of state and hearing "smoking or non?"
It is nice, if you're near a smoking section you can still smell it.
I'm big on, "live and let live" but I do think smoking is really intruding on people who don't when it's in public like that.
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