Tori Amos vs Kate Bush
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Topic: Tori Amos vs Kate Bush
Posted By: Zitro
Subject: Tori Amos vs Kate Bush
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 19:35
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Two famous female singer/songwriters with terrific melodies, great vocals, lyrics that demand attention, and out of the ordinary songwriting/arrangements. Who's da chick?  PS: The prog related subforum really needs to let us create polls. Neither of these artists are prog. |
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Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 19:38
| Kate Bush gets my vote. Tori Amos has released some great albums, but also some real rubbish too. |
Posted By: markosherrera
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 19:40
| Bush ,She is my fave |
Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 20:18
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Definately Kate for me. ------------- "There is a lot in this world to be tense and intense about" MJK |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 20:49
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both awesome, but I find Tori's music more palatable.
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Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 21:00
| Kate is more progressive and avant-garde than Tori Amos. Plus, Kate's half Irish. |
Posted By: progadicto
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 21:35
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... I cannot vote... both have great albums and great songs... Both are extremely talented women... Maybe Kate is more avant garde and take bigger risks in her career but I love Tori piano playing... No, really I cannot vote... Both have my total and unconditional love... ------------- ... E N E L B U N K E R... |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 21:39
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Tori.. she's a classical pianist and a better composer. Besides, Kate's a little odd for my taste..
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Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 00:05
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sh*t! I wrote a nice response but the server f**ked up and It got lost! Anywayyys it was basically I like Tori more because her songs are so personal and are pretty much 100% an extension of her. She kicks ass on the piano. Her first five albums are awesome. The unplugged version I have of Caught A Lite Sneeze is the best thing ever. (She plays it on a harpsichord). |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 00:10
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..and the Little Earthquakes sessions and outtakes, 'Forgotten Earthquakes', is excellent.
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 00:40
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The one with those red shoes. ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 01:18
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Kate sang a duet with Peter Gabriel.
Tori sang a duet with Maynard.
Says it all - both good girls. ------------- "There is a lot in this world to be tense and intense about" MJK |
Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 01:26
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i 'm getting into Bush nowadays and i only have Beekeeper from Tori so i'll have to get back to you... ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: zbida
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 02:47
Yes. The one so SENSUAL...
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memowakeman wrote:Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 04:09
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I have albums by both, but I'm much more of a Kate Bush than a Tori Amos fan. However, Tori's output is undoubtedly very interesting, and perhaps she would deserve to be considered for inclusion here. BTW, I'm moving this poll to where it belongs - to the PP/PR Lounge.  |
Posted By: Neil
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 04:24
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Tori versus Kate eh?
It would certainly be interesting to watch. My money's on Kate Bush in the third round.  ------------- When people get lost in thought it's often because it's unfamiliar territory. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 06:05
Can't really agree with the PS there. I'm not really narrow as to what I consider prog. Personally, I think Tori is overdue for inclusion on this site.
Of course, I can't really choose. If you threw Sarah McLachlan in there, I'd rank either of them ahead of her. Her first three albums had some nice progressive elements in them, but lately she's moved away from that.
For Bush fans curious about Amos, I'd probably start with the album Little Earthquakes. Probably the best single song to try is Your Cloud from Scarlett's Walk.
A little comparison and contrast might be interesting. Tori is definitely influenced by Kate. Her first self titled album came out two years before Kate's The Red Shoes. During Kate's hiatus (1994-2004), Tori has released 8 regular studio albums. At the current rate, Tori will ultimately be the more prolific artist. To date that's 8 Kate studio vs. 9 Tori's, with a new Tori due out this year. I think if you factor in all of Tori's EP releases vs. Kate's, Tori has done more song-hours. Both are very cute. Tori is more of an energetic keyboardist than Kate...
I see this poll got moved or as I like to call it, disappeared by one if the powers that be on this site.
"I ask myself should I put my finger to the left, no I ask myself should I put my finger to the right, no I say it really doesn't matter where I put my finger Someone else will come along and move it And it's always been the same It's just a complicated game" XTC ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Dragon Phoenix
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 08:15
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I have all albums of both - 'nuff said. Still, my vote goes to Kate. ------------- Blog this: http://artrock2006.blogspot.com |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 08:18
my money is on the red head..... you don't f*ck with redheads, they can get ...nasty   ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Zitro
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 08:25
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Yeah, whoever said that Little Earthquakes is the place to start for Tori Amos is correct. It is quite accessible, yet it is no simple pop album. The song "precious things" is amazing! |
Posted By: dedokras
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 10:29
| my vote goes to Tori, my fave albums are From the Choirgirl Hotel and Scarlet Walk, amazing stuff! |
Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 17:29
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Kate Bush is the female equivalent of David Byrne with Talking Heads. Listen to The Dreaming and Hounds of Love and then listen to "Drugs" by Talking Heads. Its the same avan-garde music with passionate vocal delivery, approaching lunacy.
"Pull Out the Pin" from The Dreaming
"I want life, pull out the pin"
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Posted By: soundsweird
Date Posted: April 06 2007 at 01:01
| Love both; Tori is one thing Kate isn't: PROLIFIC!!! |
Posted By: Ryth
Date Posted: April 08 2007 at 13:09
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Love them both, but I much prefer Bush. ------------- http://rateyourmusic.com/~Ryth"> 
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Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: July 05 2007 at 23:36
| Kate Bush. |
Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: July 05 2007 at 23:41
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From what I've heard of each, I greatly prefer Tori Amos. She has a much nicer voice -------------  <font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 06 2007 at 06:04
| Kate Bush. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 06 2007 at 06:37
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Love them both - both are superb musicians, singers and songwriters. Both bravely delve into themes and issues that other singer/songwriters would never dream of touching. They both get tagged as quirky and kookie - but I find them to be refreshingly intellegent and honest.
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Posted By: Komodo dragon
Date Posted: July 10 2007 at 18:57
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 18 2007 at 15:04
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The sexy Tori Amos. Not to mention, a heck of a piano player. ------------- 
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Posted By: Firefly
Date Posted: July 19 2007 at 07:02
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I like them both, but not all material by both. But I voted Kate Bush, because she was one of my first music loves as a tiny tot, and we share a birthday, and she's just....I dunno....awesome. Special. Not that Tori isn't...I just don't have the same emotional attachment to some of her work than some of Kate's work. For a 2 option poll, this was hard.
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Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: July 25 2007 at 04:03
| Interesting poll, I slightly prefer Kate Bush. |
Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: July 25 2007 at 04:07
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Tori even the covers that she sing are kind of quirky. |
Posted By: meinmatrix
Date Posted: July 25 2007 at 05:50
Tori Amos. But i like also Jane Siberry so go figure.  ------------- 
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Posted By: Guzzman
Date Posted: July 25 2007 at 12:51
I voted for Kate Bush, but mostly because she was there first 
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: August 06 2007 at 09:40
Yup she can kick Kate's just as lovely arse off the stage ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Hyperborea
Date Posted: August 14 2007 at 20:17
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Neither both do my tits in........i .m not especially crazy on female singers...although i love Sandy Denny. ------------- As i race o'er this beautiful sphere, Like a dog who is chasing his..... |
Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: August 16 2007 at 22:54
| Running Up That Hill is the trump card. Kate. |
Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 02:38
Yep.  ------------- 
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Posted By: Wilcey
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 02:46
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I voted for kate...so many reason really.......er, like Hyperborea I am not crazy about female vocals, although I do adore Kate Bush, Tori.......CAN NOT STAND HER. brings me out in hives.
I remember seeing "Wuthering Heights" on TOTP....... I SO wanted to be her when I grew up! (obviously.......that didn't happen ) But she'd beat Tori in a fight ANY day!
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 07:59
Little Earthquakes (the track) matches it with ease - it's even Prog! ------------- What? |
Posted By: efoman
Date Posted: August 24 2007 at 10:24
Kate is a musical goddess. Tori is also in the pantheon. Both of them are incredibly talented, creative, and freaking weird. I just wish there were about 5 more Bush albums.
And someone else likes Jane Siberry? Thank God!! I thought maybe I was crazy.
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Posted By: progcabaretdoll
Date Posted: September 07 2007 at 03:28
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Both are talented and gorgeous, it just happens that I prefer Kate Bush. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: September 07 2007 at 03:34
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Kate is a great artist but Tori has a rare creative spark, and her piano skills are unrivaled in Pop
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: September 07 2007 at 03:40
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I don't know who either of them are! But the name Tori Amos sounds totally sexier, so I'll go with her. ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: Greg W
Date Posted: September 07 2007 at 18:43
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I remember a time when Kate wasn't on this site and all the hubbub to include. Never hearing her, I made the mistake of buying 3 of her cds and when I was through with them , I was at a loss why this woman even had a career. It was utter nonsense. I was absolutely disgusted at the money I just threw away on such rubbish.
I chose Tori Amos, and if anyone likes, I'd be glad to ship off 3 very silly Kate Bush cds to them.
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Posted By: Britrocker
Date Posted: September 08 2007 at 13:08
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I've always been a fan of both. I was one of the thousands of spotty teenage rock fans who had "that" poster of kate on their bedroom wall. But i've always felt as far the "prog" thing goes. Kate seemed to almost, but not quite get into it. Just when a song would get interesting it would finish ("Breathing" from "The Kick Inside" as an example). She also became popular very quickly and at a very young age, so maybe there was greater pressure on her to stay more "Pop" than "Prog". I remember, she wanted to spend a lot of time developing a very different kind of live show. Which would include a lot of performance art/dance. She's also spent long periods in "exile" which might give some clues to that problem. Tori on the other hand has, perhaps, been much more radical and varied in her styles and arrangements. and more prolific in her output too. So Tori gets my vote.
I would recommend the double disc "to venus and back" from Tori. The live disc is especially stunning. A much rockier live sound with a full electric band. Gonna put a spanner in the works though Joni Mitchell Better than both |
Posted By: efoman
Date Posted: September 15 2007 at 01:39
I guess Peter Gabriel and David Gilmour are "silly" for wanting to be included on her "rubbish". She's not everyone's cup of tea, but to describe her the way you did does little for your reputation as someone who's opinion matters.
Try Hounds of Love or Aerial and then say what you said with a straight face. She wasn't a teenager when she made those two.
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Posted By: Greg W
Date Posted: September 18 2007 at 14:59
They are men...they probably just wanted to get down her pants.
So my opinion doesn't matter because I don't care for Kate Bush's music?
Would you rather I lied and say she is the most relevant singer/songwriter in the history of music? Don't worry..I know I don't "get" her and therefore wouldn't tarnish her reputation by giving a bad review on any of her cds, but if I think she is a pile of rubbish, I feel I can still express my opinion. Otherwise, why put up any threads at all and lets just say we agree on everything.
I DO own the Hounds of Love as well as The Sensual World. Apparently I only bought 2 cds. I still don't "get" it and I can guarantee there will be no 3rd cd of Kate Bush in my collection.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: September 18 2007 at 15:27
That's a quite ridiculous comment. You are entitled to not like Kate Bush, but she is generally regarded as one of the major female artists and that is more likely to be the reason why other major artists cite her as an influence. |
Posted By: jimidom
Date Posted: September 18 2007 at 15:35
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I love 'em both! I can't decide! ------------- "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." - HST |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 19 2007 at 06:18
I'd have top agree that Kate Bush's albums are quite uneven, some downright bad. Tori is much more even in her discography, but in terms of musical and sonic spectrum, she's no match for Bush. Plus Tori started her career copying Kate.
I saw two live footage of Tori,
the first was Welcome to Sunny Florida and it is good but very monotonous; Just a piano trio (Kb, bass and drums) and unless a real fan most of her songs are sounding much the same >> really enjoyed Concertina, though!
The second one was a recent live rock show, and it was much more lively and interesting >> she kicked ass (there was a guitarist added to, briought many arrangements to the fore ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: efoman
Date Posted: September 19 2007 at 23:33
I apologize. I shouldn't have reacted as I did. You have every right to not like her or say what you want about her music without it affecting how seriously someone takes your opinions. I have always adored her, and have always thought she was the consumate "artist" in music, both in process and product. And since everyone around me, (most of them like country music) thinks she's a freak and I'm one too for liking her, I can get defensive at times.
But let me give you an example of why I think she's so great. I love the song "The Sensual World". It is based on a monologue by a character named Molly Bloom from James Joyce's Ulysses. This is widely considered the greatest and most complicated novel of the 20th century, maybe ever. She wanted permission to use the actual words from the novel but the Joyce Estate wouldn't grant it. So she put the passage in her own words. After listening to it the spokesman for the Joyce Estate said it was beautiful, perfectly captured the feel of the passage without plagiarizing it, and went on to give Kate their compliments on how she handled the whole topic.
Who else would tackle such a daunting task as trying to capture a topic like this in a four minute song?
Another thing I like about her.....she more than anyone else in music is in her own universe. Like it or not, she has written and recorded music in styles that no one would even consider and has been succesful at it. Is she prog? I don't think she's anything. Prog is a label. I once saw an ad in a Rolling Stone saying they had all kinds of imports--blues, jazz, metal , pop, progressive, and Kate Bush.
I honestly think, other than her vocals stylings, the main reason some people don't like her is that she's not a reactionary and people don't know where she's coming from.
Tori Amos is awesome too, but much more accessible. And I find that fascinating. You have two fantastic female artists who seem very different even though they have so much in common. And I think it has to do with geography.
Kate is from England and seems to be more guarded in shadow and symbolism. Sort of an ancient island mentality. Tori is a more modern American artist, coming from a land that sprawls and a culture that is more outgoing. She's more rebellious, especially when it comes to her father's religion. She just lays it out there warts and all and if you don't like it, who cares. That's why she can sing openly about rape in the song "Me and A Gun". With Kate you have to dig through the symbols and musical arrangement to find the topic of rape in a song like "Get Out of My House".
Anyway, those are my two cents. I will leave this thread to others. And once again, Greg W, my apologies.
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Posted By: Greg W
Date Posted: September 20 2007 at 16:11
Actually, THAT was just a joke, and yes, a ridiculous comment.
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Posted By: ShipOfFools
Date Posted: September 26 2007 at 00:36
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I love Tori Amos, but anything Kate Bush does stomps right over Tori. Kate all the way for me. ------------- 
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Posted By: Judex
Date Posted: March 01 2008 at 11:36
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No contest: Kate Bush gets my vote. There is nothing like her. Funny to read about Tori fans who can't "get" Kate Bush because she's "weird!"
Kate always comes across to me as genuine, and time has shown that her perspective and talents are no flash in the pan or act. Tori seems forced to me, though, as if she's trying hard to be different. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 01 2008 at 11:57
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I believe I've said this before, Tori filled the void (along with Sarah McLachlan) for me when Kate took her long leave of absence. I enjoy both of their work and if I weren't happily married and each of them as well, I'd love to do both of them. Just happy to enjoy their music. I couldn't say it any better regarding these two than Efoman did.  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 01 2008 at 12:16
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: March 01 2008 at 16:24
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Kate. Any Happy Rhodes fans here? She's another of the Kate/Tori mold. Incredible voice and some unique music too. In her high range she sounds just like Kate. In her low range she sounds like Annie Lennox. And she can switch between them effortlessly. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 01 2008 at 16:31
sounds interesting James... not familiar with her though. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: March 01 2008 at 17:06
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 01 2008 at 17:11
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: March 01 2008 at 17:13
| There's great live performance of her on YouTube if you want to see her cover Gabriel, or do her own stuff. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 01 2008 at 17:15
checking out the myspace tracks now. thanks James. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 01 2008 at 18:55
^ that's the scariest Kate Bush impression I've every heard  - absolutely gobsmacked by the music (apart from Lily of the Valley - she should have left the capo on - it sounded 10x better).
Another singer I admire is Jemima Price - she's recorded tribute albums of both Kate and Tori for the dire Dressed 2 Kill budget label, as well as a couple of solo albums of her own ( http://www.myspace.com/jemimaprice - http://www.myspace.com/jemimaprice ). But first one, of the most bizarre covers of all time, Jemima sings the Sex Pistols Submission: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dWroYc5vk8 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dWroYc5vk8 ------------- What? |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 01 2008 at 18:59
that was some great stuff James  and next to check out Ms. Price it seems hahhaha ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: June 29 2008 at 05:21
That reminds me, why isn't she in the Archives yet? It just looks sloppy not to have Happy here. ------------- Bigger on the inside. |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: June 29 2008 at 05:28
| I'll vote for trusty and oh-so outrageous Kate Bush. Truth be told, I stopped paying attention to the other one after Y Kant Tori Read failed to pick up steam. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 29 2008 at 07:32
I bought Building the Colossus after reading about her here and I can see the possibilities - can you recommned somethong more 'prog' than this for us to eval? ------------- What? |
Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: June 29 2008 at 09:31
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Dean, she's not "prog". She's Art-Rock. All her albums walk the line between acoustic and atmospheric electronic pieces and the occasional electric guitar. The vocal harmonies are still the most complex aspect of her music. Go to this site: http://wretchawry.com/happy/samples/ - http://wretchawry.com/happy/samples/ . It has a lot of complete songs for download from all her albums (I'd say half of every album, apart from her latest, are there). I quite like the sound of her latest album, that has it's own MySpace page with 6 full tracks: http://www.myspace.com/happyrhodesfindme - http://www.myspace.com/happyrhodesfindme .
At the lack of the old Art-Rock section, I guess Prog-Related would be the obvious choice to file her, next to her biggest influences, Queen and Kate Bush. But I still feel she's quite a bit more adventurous than those two. ------------- Bigger on the inside. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 29 2008 at 09:40
| I'm sorry to have to flog a dead horse once again, but I am afraid some people still don't understand why AR was abolished. The reason was exactly that the definition was associated in many people's minds with the likes of David Bowie and Roxy Music - whom here we don't consider fully prog, hence their placement in Prog-Related. Crossover is the one subgenre created after the demise of AR that comes close to that - though any act included in Xover is considered fully prog. If Happy Rhodes is not fully prog, she would be added to Prog-Related, as would Tori Amos - and PR is where Queen and Kate Bush still are, btw. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 29 2008 at 10:02
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..Yes, exactly. Crossover, Eclectic and Heavy prog are still Art Rock subgenres and are used to differentiate between art rock artists who are prog and those that are prog related since Art Rock covers both. ------------- What? |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: June 29 2008 at 10:21
Yep, strip to the waist and find like a man (girls) ------------- 
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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: June 29 2008 at 15:37
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Somehow Tori does not do it for me. Kate at least seems a bit more substantial. ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: June 30 2008 at 06:15
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In my mind Tori Amos is way in front of Kate Bush.
Not only for the songs themselves, which individually I find far superior, but an absolute mastery of keyboards and album concepts that justify any Prog classification (see Scarlets Walk with its take on 9/11, The Beekeeper with its gardens concept or the five persona angle of American Doll Posse).
Apparently she's criticised for padding a lot of her albums with filler, but I don't hear it. Once aquainted with the tunes, every song is a gem!
Shame that my request for entering her name on PA was shafted a while back.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 30 2008 at 08:56
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I'm with you on adding Tori, she runs rings around many of the officially prog keyboardists with her talents. Looks like I'm going to have check out Happy Rhodes now. Totally new one to me. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 30 2008 at 09:07
| Just for the record: as far as I know, Tori was NEVER rejected by the Xover team. I know for sure that Micky listened to some of her material, and when he comes here in three weeks' time I'll make him listen to some of the albums by her I have at home. The addition was held up by other things, since unfortunately we all have a life outside PA. As regards Happy Rhodes, I listened to her MySpace samples, but was not particularly impressed. |
Posted By: paolo.beenees
Date Posted: June 30 2008 at 09:07
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I've been in love with Kate since I first saw her at the Italian "Festivalbar" in 1978 (I was 5 back then...) ------------- 
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Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: June 30 2008 at 09:28
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Ghost Rider : Oh good, glad to hear that the final decision hasn't been made yet. I hadn't heard anything for quite a while and I'd assumed the matter was closed. |