Hi, I am Neu! / New
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Topic: Hi, I am Neu! / New
Posted By: Lestat89
Subject: Hi, I am Neu! / New
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 16:52
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Well after a long time reading polls and reviews on this website i decide to check in, so i am gonna talk about myself a little bit (like if someone care) I am 17 years old, my interest are: of course music (mostly avantgarde, krautrock, post rock and some alternative or indie bands (mostly the ones that really have original sound)), i also like to read (from Oscar Wilde to George Orwell plus Anne Rice, Lewiss Caroll, Asimov and a lot more stuff) and art in general (painting, theater, performance, etc) My favorite bands (in no paricular order): Pink Floyd Neu! Frank Zappa Sonic Youth (why they aint here?, come on listen to Murray Street and tell me that isnt prog) Idiot Flesh / SGM (they are almost the same but idiot flesh is funnier) Mr Bungle And my favorite albums (in no paricular order): Meddle (Pink Floyd) Murray Street (Sonic Youth) Fancy (Idiot Flesh) Heretic: Jeux des Dames Cruelles (Naked City) Disco Volante (Mr Bungle) The Aeroplane Over The Sea (Neutral Milk Hotel) Well cause i am cool im gonna leve a link to download the Idiot Flesh albums, i think its legal cause the albums are imposible to find (out of print) Link removed by admin  Bonus Track: I hate Metal ( but i am not saying it is crap( the only crap is hihop or corporate music), f**k, just understand i dont like it!!!!!!!!! READ THIS PLEASE Well i really wanna apologie if i offend anyone cuase i think i am being reaaly bipolar, what i really think of metal (not progressive) its that i find it a bit to steriotipical (riff, Guitar solo, and sometimes chorus or orchestation that sounds preety similar especially in power, heavy, and gothic) or death metal bands made of a single riff, i really hate that stuff cause its really repetitive (IMHO), about progressive metal i have heard this bands: Dream theater (complete dicographie, i cant stand this band is like a creative masturbation i really hate them) Opeth (just some song, i dont like it but not really know why), Atheist (Complete discografie Great, complex, fast, unpredictable)Lacrimosa (complete discographie kinda love hate relation), and thats all (and the avantgarde hybryds, wich i love), i think cause half the bands i have heard i find boring (or jus dont like it), but i most listen a bit more to say that i hate / love / be indifirent to prog metal however mi attitude against (not progressive) will remain the same Thanks for your understanding Forgive my english, i mostly talk in spanish I am neu! there by the way ------------- When I Was An Alien The Truth Wasnt Out There... |
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Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 16:59
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Hi! And welcome,
Guillermo! Do you realise that there is a good deal of metal in both Mr. Bungle, Naked City and SGM? |
Posted By: Lestat89
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 17:05
Well yes but they dont make songs based on a simple riff and a guitar solo, or are clones from Death or Iron Maiden (its just my opinnion but i think all metal its like this) ------------- When I Was An Alien The Truth Wasnt Out There... |
Joren wrote:Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 17:07
Welcome Lestat.  A great list of bands, but I am sorry you dislike metal.
A very ignorant generalization showing that you haven't heard almost any metal.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 17:08
If you would have listened to more (kinds of) metal, I don't think you would have thought this way then. Not all metal bands are Iron Maiden or Death clones. Although I myself also love a good deal of songs that are based on a simple riff with a guitar solo, there are lots and lots of metal bands out there that make very complex, sophisticated and/or inaccessible music. Besides, I am not a Death expert, but I believe they have recorded some pretty complex music as well. |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 17:12
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GOOD PROG DAYS, WEEKS, MONTHS, YEARS, CENTURIES, GEOLOGICAL ERE LESTAT89!!!
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 17:12
Thou shalt listen to Bore-em and thou wilt see the light
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 17:14
 Thanks for the support, Ansen, but I don't believe that I possess/know (the way towards) "the light". I "just" like my music. And that includes different kinds of metal.  |
Posted By: Lestat89
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 17:14
I use to be a metalhead.... I listen from Metallica (earlier albums) to necrophalist and i see all metal bands like pretecious guys(see how fast i play) (Dream Theater, Rhapsody, Stratovarius Necrophalist, Slayer) or songs made from a riff and a solo (iron maiden, Judas Priest, etc all the bands from the glorius days of black metal (mayhem, hell hamer)) i think the only metal band that i can stand is Atheist (guys playing the music they like and amzingly original) crap. i think everyone hates right now...  ------------- When I Was An Alien The Truth Wasnt Out There... |
Posted By: Lestat89
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 17:15
Boredoms? ------------- When I Was An Alien The Truth Wasnt Out There... |
Posted By: Lestat89
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 17:17
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Buy the way... can i put ilegall mp3 downloads here? ------------- When I Was An Alien The Truth Wasnt Out There... |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 17:18
Try Meshuggah (the EP called "I" is pretty amazing), Fredrik Thordendal's Special Defects, Isis, Tool, Fantômas, Ulver and Maudlin Of The Well. I think at least one of those might make you change your mind, and make it possible for you to appreciate more metal again. |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 17:18
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Why don;t you try digging deeper into prog metal: Kayo Dot and Agalloch for a start. And look further into black metal: ever heard of Drudkh or Burzum? Here, listen to the ProgArchives sample of Agalloch, http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=1933 - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=1933 And one from kayo Dot: http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=1870 - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=1870 Be honest now ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 17:19
No. Guess why not? |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 17:20
Bore-em = Joren 
You can't put illegal mp3 anywhere ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Lestat89
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 17:20
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Crap, i have a lot of links to cool stuff
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Posted By: Lestat89
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 17:22
Hey, Kayo dot sound like zoot allures era Zappa i have heard of the band before but people said to me that it was indie (people are strange right jim morrinson)------------- When I Was An Alien The Truth Wasnt Out There... |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 17:25
Kayo Dot is indie, in the original meaning of the word. That is, a band operating through independent labels. But nowadays "indie rock" is also known as a particular style of music, associated with Radiohead, Placebo and many others (because those bands started out on independent or "indie" labels). That kind of indie, it is certainly not. |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 17:25
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I still don't agree that kayo dot are anything to do with metal. That's probably why we like them so much, your taste seems pretty cool :D
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Posted By: Lestat89
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 17:25
silly of me!------------- When I Was An Alien The Truth Wasnt Out There... |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 17:26
Kayo Dot is Avant-metal actually, perfectly prog. I believe that that's the genre you should check out, since it's as different form Iron Maiden and Dream Theater as any of the bands on your list
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Posted By: Lestat89
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 17:28
Can u smell my fear? i think u was going to crucified me! ------------- When I Was An Alien The Truth Wasnt Out There... |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 17:28
See my edited, more detailed post for more info about the use of the word "indie". |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 17:30
Oh yes, I smell it The guys in my signature are Cryptopsy, brutal death metal btw  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Lestat89
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 17:34
Its funny cause i dont see placebo as indie, for me indie is (of course from independent labels) music with experimetation but not to much, like Butthole surfers, or Neutal milk Hotel or Sonic Youth, things like placebo is the crap that mtv try to sell u as interesting or noveau ------------- When I Was An Alien The Truth Wasnt Out There... |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 17:43
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I don't even know Placebo... standard intie is kinda boring, I prefer the more challenging stuff.
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Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 17:44
Well, I wasn't too sure about Placebo being called "indie rock" anyway  , but that was not my main point. By reading your posts I notice that you have a very negative attitude towards a lot of music. I was the same once, but after a lot of trying I finally managed to be able to enjoy many different kinds of music (jazz, classical, hip-hop, metal, etc.) and it really was a liberating experience for me. But I admit that it took me quite an effort to get there. (Re Placebo in particular: while I do quite enjoy some of the music they make, I was bored out of my mind during their concert at the Lowlands festival last summer. Too bad, because I had been looking forward to it. ) |
Posted By: Lestat89
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 17:46
its contradictoy, but do u like Fantomas?, mike patton its like GOD (but he is real ), i love suspended animation, the debut , and delirum cordia, i dont understand the cover i dont like milenium monster work------------- When I Was An Alien The Truth Wasnt Out There... |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 17:48
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Fantomas are as prog and as challenging as you can get! I like all of their albums, Millenium Monsterwork is the only one I haven't heard yet. All hail Patton ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Lestat89
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 17:51
dont buy milenium monsterwork, the sound quality kills the emotion , in the website that i put before u can find some bootlegs that are better that the milenium finally we agree in something...------------- When I Was An Alien The Truth Wasnt Out There... |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 17:52
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We agree in lots of things, as I've said before all bands on your list are great!
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Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 17:54
I agree! Only, I haven't heard any Idiot Flesh and Sonic Youth yet. Will do pretty soon. |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 17:55
I haven't heard Sonic Youth yet myself. Idiot Flesh pwn
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Posted By: Lestat89
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 17:57
Idiot Flesh is a funkier SGM with half the members of the band ans Sonic youth its well pop / punk / avangardish?, think in neu! with the clash or something.... ITS NOT PROG, but its cool, well i like it ------------- When I Was An Alien The Truth Wasnt Out There... |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 18:05
One page ago you wrote: "Sonic Youth (why they aint here?, come on listen to Murray Street and tell me that isnt prog)". You change your mind quite quickly! I have music from both bands (Idiot Flesh and Sonic Youth) on my pc; I just haven't yet found the time/urge to listen to them. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 18:06
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Welcome. Hectic at the moment, I'll just repaste a message I wrote before in a Prog Metal poll since it fits: [I really like] "Kayo Dot's Choirs of the Eye. You might enjoy Estradasphere (listed under this site as Avant Prog) -- good chamber rock! http://www.estradasphere.com/ - http://www.estradasphere.com/ ../Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=8708 - For what it's worth, a favourite Prog metal album I know listed under that category here is Indukti - S.U.S.A.R. [Check out the sample: http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=1919 - CLICK HERE ] Lots of borederline metal and metal-influenced music (Sleepytime Gorilla Museum for instance or Taal) I like even if I'm not really a fan of metal (experimental/ Avant Prog metallic stuff I like). I enjoy Prog for the eclectic range of influences and metal is a major influence in lots of Prog these days." No, I don't care for the Metallica stuff, nor do I like the neo-progish sounding metal. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Lestat89
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 18:07
what i mean is that isn prog in the way that "seventies snobs with yes t shirts" understand as prog, its prog like it raise the musical standar of punk, like Swans (but change punk for industrial) ------------- When I Was An Alien The Truth Wasnt Out There... |
Posted By: Lestat89
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 18:09
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Posted By: Lestat89
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 18:12
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Posted By: lighthouse
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 18:18
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Yeah I remember when I was 17 and thought I knew everything , what a complete jerk I must have been
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Posted By: Lestat89
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 18:20
what i am trying to say is that both bands doesnt have a lot or soloing or mellotron (but are prog in some way) then i was just trying to be funny... sorrysonic youth - disconecction notice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NERV3_UGGaU ------------- When I Was An Alien The Truth Wasnt Out There... |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 18:25
I understand what you mean. |
Posted By: lighthouse
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 18:25
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Posted By: Lestat89
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 19:03
Thats a smart point dream theater was important in order to revive the things, however i dont like the band with the exepcion of a change of season ------------- When I Was An Alien The Truth Wasnt Out There... |
Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 19:26
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I pretty much love all the bands on that list. -------------  
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Posted By: Sasquamo
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 23:14
You should fit right in. |
Posted By: Trademark
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 23:28
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I think it's a bit amusing that having said he dislikes (hates) metal and prog metal the only recommendations he's getting are for metal and prog metal.
Ram it down his throat whether he wants it or not guys! |
Posted By: Lestat89
Date Posted: March 16 2007 at 00:43
but i think they where avantgarde( the bands i mention)...., at least here its supossed to be avantgarde, i mean, they have metal influences but they arent 100%metal ------------- When I Was An Alien The Truth Wasnt Out There... |
Posted By: Lestat89
Date Posted: March 16 2007 at 01:04
come on dont be cruel, talk about something that isnt metal, u can like but i dont its the freedom of choice, i am not saying its crap (cause i dont think so!!!!) its only that i dont like it, , sorry if i ofended anyone------------- When I Was An Alien The Truth Wasnt Out There... |
Posted By: Lestat89
Date Posted: March 16 2007 at 01:18
lets have fun mocking the newbie just because he thinks diferent !!!! , crap, now everyone hates me... my first day and everyone hates me, its just like heaven right.... ------------- When I Was An Alien The Truth Wasnt Out There... |
Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: March 16 2007 at 02:32
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hey kid welcome!!!!!
Hey everybody, Don't you guys remember when you too were 17 years old ? Do not hat the kid. He has to mature and become adult and becuse of his age he uses words like hate and stuff like that. Give him time he will cach with it. eventually. The fist timei hear bands like Le orme, Gong, Renaissance And even Dream theater I really did not like at all I won't say I hated them but I pretty much did not like them at all. NOW I love all the bands mentioned. Now I am 36 years old. Come give him some break !! It is so cool to see young kids these days that listen to prog. That is so rare!!!. ------------- http://darksideofcollages.blogspot.com/ http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/Darksideof-Collages/ |
Posted By: Lestat89
Date Posted: March 16 2007 at 02:38
Thak u u really undestand me, ------------- When I Was An Alien The Truth Wasnt Out There... |
Posted By: Sasquamo
Date Posted: March 16 2007 at 16:04
Just a commentary on how many people don't like progressive metal very much... |
Posted By: Lestat89
Date Posted: March 16 2007 at 16:53
oh, i think that you was being sarcastic, sorry ------------- When I Was An Alien The Truth Wasnt Out There... |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 16:29
| No illegal links please Lestat. The fact that an album is out of print does not make sharing it legal. |
Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 21:00
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BTW, Neu! is not pronounced "new" but rather "noy."
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Posted By: magnus
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 18:00
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If you think most prog-metal is boring w**kery in songs based around single simple riffs, there may be a few bands you should try out, like Meshuggah like someone already mentioned, and possibly Ark, and maybe Mastodon! all 3 are completely different from eachother, and they are all one-of-a-kind bands with their own unique sounds. But it's your own choice, my goal is not to shove 'my' music down your throat at all costs welcome btw! ------------- The scattered jigsaw of my redemption laid out before my eyes Each piece as amorphous as the other - Each piece in its lack of shape a lie 
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