Moonchild (the King Crimson one)
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Topic: Moonchild (the King Crimson one)
Posted By: progismylife
Subject: Moonchild (the King Crimson one)
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 16:22
So?
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Posted By: Nowhere Man
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 16:25
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I would define the first part as Amazing! and the last part as Okay.
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Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 16:25
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When I'm in the mood, it's ok...
But I've definitely heard much better.
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Posted By: Nowhere Man
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 16:27
I would have really liked them to change back, at the end, to the style it began with. But, alas.  -------------
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 16:45
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It's okay says the Merzbow fan.
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 16:55
| Okay. I really like the actual "song", but the end sounds a bit boring to me. |
Posted By: Ne_Plus_Ultra
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 16:58
| The first few minutes are great afterwards it just becomes boring, without that overstretched part ITCOTCK would be an almost perfect album IMO. |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 16:59
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it's excellent. I also like everything that happens on SaBB so maybe my sense of good taste has taken up residence in the court of the noodling king
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 17:04
Same here. ------------- 
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Nowhere Man wrote:Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 17:08
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So I guess I am alone in suggesting that Moonchild is an essential part of ITCOTCK and an amazing song with cool noodling. Except for laplace. He seems to agree with me (in part). |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 17:14
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I mentioned SaBB because it's the definitive KC noodlage album unless you can afford that four-disc live set. half of the thing is culled from live performance including the final track which is my personal favourite thing that came out of Fripp's guitar.
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 17:18
Sounds really cool. I'll definitely check it out. |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 17:23
I agree with you in saying that is an essential part of ITCOTCK, but I wouldn't say the whole song is "Amazing!"... Should I vote for "Noodling is cool"?  -------------
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Posted By: dralan
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 17:41
| I really like the vocal section; it has a nice melody but I usually skip over the 'noodling' section and go to the last track so Ill compromise and say "okay". This is the only thing that keeps ITCOTCK from being a flawless album IMO. |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 18:52
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The first 2-3 minutes are excellent. The noodling part is good for imaging stuff. ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 19:26
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I like the "noodling" and think there is a lot more than "noodling" going on. if you listen carefully you will find some amazing interplay: there is a real dialogue going on. and, of course, when they finally decide on a certain rhythm (for about the last minute or so, I never measured it), it is the perfect intro for "In the Court of the Crimson King". that alone would be enough for me to never skip the "noodling"
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 19:33
oh man... one of the most godawful pieces of ....music I've heard in my life (Celine Dion anyday  ) Remember the last time I tried to listen to it... my ears actually hemorraged blood. never again... arrrruugg... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 21:54
| I quite like it, it's a bit overlong but I find it more enjoyable than their later long songs, like Starless or Fracture. |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 22:30
The actual song is fantastic, and while the extra 10 minutes of noodling might not be the most common thing, I like it, its distingtive...and well...you just will never hear me say anything bad about ITCOTCK...its my favorite album of all times after all
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 22:32
Definitly, there is more to ir than just noodling. It is known that bald women speak of great truths...this is no exception ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?"
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Posted By: I|I|I|I|I
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 01:41
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Noodling? Pretty well choreographed noodling, in that case. I can't see how something so varied and full of movement would be boring. I voted "Amazing". ------------- Go and listen to my music. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=31725 |
Posted By: MadcapLaughs84
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 01:41
Me too ------------- 
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Posted By: Dennis
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 03:07
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The whole of the first section (vocal section) of the song is magical, with very earthy, pagan, mystical Celtic folk leanings. Then what you called Noodling finishes the track. Noodling is actually the fine art of musical improvisation, a trademark of all eras of King Crimson. And I believe that the introduction of this improvisational art into rock music was a major factor in the development of progressive rock. KC was one of the first of the "Noodlers." Moonchild is very unique for its strange blend of folk, and then an abrupt merger into a jazz-rock fusion improvisation. But hasn't KC's music always been somewhat strange? I voted Amazing ------------- "Day dawns dark, it now numbers infinity" |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 04:00
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I love how it starts, but think the improvs are a bit of a miss IMHO
and my buddies of Globalys do an 8-min+ version of this without the free improvs, but with a Soft Machine-like crossing Floyd Echoes-like extrapolation, which sounds so superb. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 07:21
| Doves did a good version of it on "The Last Broadcast" (without the noodling). |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 07:33
And this from a man with your dubious musical tastes....  Celine Dion, bah.... MEN!!!! Seriously, I don't mind the noodling - I actually prefer "Moonchild" to "Providence", probably because of the 'song' part, for which I have always had a soft spot. Therefore, I chose the second option. |
Posted By: mickstafa
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 08:05
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Hey! My poll idea became a reality! ;) A more accurate option would be "listen to the first two minutes, and THEN hit the skip button!" |
Posted By: MattiR
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 08:51
| OK |
Posted By: Heptade
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 10:38
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I prefer the Doves version.
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Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 11:22
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 12:15
I totally agree, there is much more then yust simple noodling going on, i think the whole track is very beautiful and its a vital part of the album for me wich i culd not yust skip. And if you people who say it sux actualy lisened to the song insted of yust skip it meby you whuld hear it. I voted > Amazing! ------------- 
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Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 12:27
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It's not bad. The beginning is really good but I don't mind the noodling and I'm not compelled to skip at all. It just makes the title track sound even better
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Posted By: Hans
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 12:32
| I think my signature says it all. Anyway, I voted Amazing. |
Posted By: andu
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 12:50
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It's OK. Somebody HAD to do it, just like somebody had to paint the "White Square on White Background" painting, or write a poem by sticking together cuts from newspapers... It may not be very pretty by itself, but without it we would have had a lot less of what we got to have; that's why I rate extremely high vanguard art.
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 13:45
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I view the whole song like this: In the beginning a female person named "Moonchild" is introduced; a kind of dreamy person. Then she actually appears, and the improvisations that follow depict her ramblings on the lawn near the sundial. A beautiful and melancholic mental image. Never would I skip that part.
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 14:05
That's what I do. I don't mind improvisational stuff, but this one just doesn't work. They would get better at it later on. This is the only thing that keeps ItCotCK from being a five star album, in my mind. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Chus
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 14:15
hmmm.. noodle soup!! ------------- Jesus Gabriel |
Posted By: Badabec
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 15:36
That's my opinion too. ------------- Mesmo a tristeza da gente era mais bela E além disso se via da janela Um cantinho de céu e o Redentor - Antônio Carlos Jobim, Toquinho & Vinícius de Moraes - Carta ao Tom 74 |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 15:39
| It's very entertaining if I'm in the right mood, and very annoying if I'm in the wrong mood. Voted okay. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 03:20
Eeehhhmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!................
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Posted By: Passionist
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 04:42
| Honestly I think this is the second best track on their best album, and lacks nothing. even though people keep complaining about the last part, which is really annoying. Why not try, and *listen* really carefully. It's not just random notes etc. pfft. |
Posted By: sheeves
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 17:47
| i love the first 3 minutes but once the improv starts, i skip to the title track |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 17:53
dubious musical taste? .. just you wait until Dee-Lite has you feeling it....damnit ..it's been almost a year since I last put this album on.. Now I'm going to subject myself to the sonic terrorism known as Moonchild. Oh well... always good for a laugh. I'll put it on next.... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: MusicForSpeedin
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 18:11
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Amazing!! I prefer Astronome though.
One of my favorite releases in a few years.
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 18:24
This isn't a Zorn poll. -------------
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 22:22
But you also agree that bald women alwyas speak of great truths, right? ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?"
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 22:24
------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?"
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: February 23 2007 at 03:45
I thought it was a Porn poll, though
You Moon...child.....
  EEeeehhhmmm!!!!!!!...........
*cough*
 Nerxt please!! ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: February 23 2007 at 15:03
If you think of the topic that way then the options seem more clearer now... 12 minutes of noise amazing! okay Too many options to choose... -------------
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: February 23 2007 at 15:08
Sorry my subconcious took over while making the options
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Posted By: bruin69
Date Posted: February 23 2007 at 17:01
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I don't have to skip the track because I go into a coma at about the 5 minute mark; luckily, The Court of the Crimson King jolts me out of it... ------------- A dog is for lunch and not just for breakfast |
Posted By: MusicForSpeedin
Date Posted: February 23 2007 at 21:49
| I have no idea. |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: February 24 2007 at 04:59
Wow the majority (so far) don't like the noodling part( ) but at lest they enjoy the song portion of it.
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: March 06 2007 at 20:48
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I just said this in another thread, but I'll repeat myself because I love the sound of my own voice. :) I like Moonchild a lot, but I do think it goes on a bit long. However, I feel like I need at least some of that empty space to rest after the intensity of 21st Century Schizoid Man and Epitaph, and before the intensity of the title track. ------------- 
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Posted By: Sasquamo
Date Posted: March 07 2007 at 16:36
| Moonchild and Providence are two of the most dreadfully boring songs I've ever heard. I'm surprised no one realizes this, but when you call an improvisation "noodling," you're pretty much saying it sucks. Which it does. |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: March 07 2007 at 16:40
people use noodling as an endearing term for improv. when they want to say it sucks they associate it with dream theater and call it w*nking ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: Sasquamo
Date Posted: March 07 2007 at 16:45
| In jazz, calling someones soloing "noodling" is an insult meaning you were just playing random notes. Maybe it's not an insult in rock because they don't know how to improvise well and noodling is all they can do. |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: March 07 2007 at 16:47
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I can't believe you're being a jazz elitist about king crimson lol
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Posted By: magnus
Date Posted: March 07 2007 at 17:43
I can't believe! I can't believe the price you pay! on-topic though, I find it OK, I'm usually busy doing something else while the "noodling" part goes on, but if I'm not, the skip track button isn't too far away. ------------- The scattered jigsaw of my redemption laid out before my eyes Each piece as amorphous as the other - Each piece in its lack of shape a lie 
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Posted By: cyberiancygnus
Date Posted: March 07 2007 at 17:48
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is this the moonchild from iron maidens seventh son of a seventh son ? .cause thats better than kc |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: March 07 2007 at 17:50
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King Crimson. I changed the title a bit just to clarify. And probably change noodling to improvisations. |
Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: March 07 2007 at 21:38
| I think that is the best song from that album. It's so delicious. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 07 2007 at 21:41
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Posted By: Nash
Date Posted: March 07 2007 at 21:58
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for me its a very good song ------------- http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/191/sydbarrettg.jpg/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: herring
Date Posted: March 08 2007 at 02:14
| I like the track but i often skip the improvisation part ,cause I can't wait for the grande finale ITCOTCK |
Posted By: Thandrus
Date Posted: March 12 2007 at 20:55
| These drones could be an example for later experimental misicians. |
Posted By: cookieacquired
Date Posted: March 12 2007 at 21:20
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The song fills me with happiness ------------- 
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Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: March 13 2007 at 03:01
  
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