"Fool's Overture" vs. "Funeral for a Friend"
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Topic: "Fool's Overture" vs. "Funeral for a Friend"
Posted By: Logan
Subject: "Fool's Overture" vs. "Funeral for a Friend"
Date Posted: February 12 2007 at 09:05
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"Funeral for a Friend (Love Lies...)" off Goodbye Yellow Brick Road (1973) and "Fool's Overture" off Even in the Quietest Moments (1977) are both great tracks, I feel. Which do you prefer? Here's concert footage of Supertramp playing "Fool's Overture" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcqrt_RAJMc - click And concert footage of Elton John playing "Funeral for a Friend": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSAvICb_Nzc - click |
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: February 12 2007 at 09:25
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"Fool's Overture" by far.
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: February 12 2007 at 09:26
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Fool's Overture, without doubt! ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: Firepuck
Date Posted: February 12 2007 at 09:30
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^ yep ------------- Kryten : "'Pub'? Ah yes, A meeting place where humans attempt to achieve advanced states of mental incompetence by the repeated consumption of fermented vegetable drinks." |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 12 2007 at 09:46
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I also prefer "Fool's Overture" by a considerable margin. And from that concert footage, I way, way, way prefer it. I do like to pair those two songs in playlists, though. I'm definitely bigger on Supertramp, but I do enjoy Elton John ("Tiny Dancer" being my favourite song of his). |
Posted By: soundsweird
Date Posted: February 13 2007 at 20:01
| The synths in "Funeral" are classic; I like "Fool's Overture" a lot, but there's nothing special about the arrangement. |
Posted By: Bern
Date Posted: February 13 2007 at 20:31
Both are classics that I absolutely love. They are among the songs that truly got me into music when I was a child. 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 06:30
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Elton John for me.. simply a fabulous song. the Supertramp one... really didn't do anything for me actually. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Dragon Phoenix
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 07:33
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micky wrote:Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 07:42
thanks ...Love lies Bleeding just puts the hooks in me everytime. I love Supertramp.. everything but what everyone seems to annoit as the classic. I love Crime of the Century and of course Breakfast in America... but Fool's Overture and the album just didn't do it for me. Oh well ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 07:53
| I voted for the Elton John song too. As much as I love Supertramp, I don't think "Fool's Ouverture" is one of their best tracks. |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 08:10
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Elton John's Funeral For A friend/Love Lies Bleeding. absolutelly stunning song. ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Flyingsod
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 10:52
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Funeral for a Friend by leaps and bounds. I love supertramp too but Fool's Overture exemplifies their nack for taking a musical idea that's interesting for 3 minutes and dragging it out to extreme boredom. Luckily they most often know when to cut it short (just not on this one). FFAF on the other hand stay's compositionaly interesting all they way through by not over doing any single idea, it's perfect prog in that respect.
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Posted By: MadcapLaughs84
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 10:54
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Both Rock, I can't decide ------------- 
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Posted By: BiGi
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 10:57
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Both excellent pieces.
I can't understand why this poll is under "Non-prog music"...they seem fully prog to me! ------------- A flower? 
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Posted By: MadcapLaughs84
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 10:58
Yep, Funeral for a Friend is full of excellent prog elements and Supertramp, well one of my favorite prog bands. -------------
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 12:58
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I agree that both of these excellent songs are Prog. However, as Supertramp is here under Art Rock, but Elton John is not listed at this site, I played it safe as I would rather not have a thread moved. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 20:16
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Fool's Overture is just in a whole different class, I'm sorry
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 07 2023 at 12:59
*dusts off the cobwebs* Since this came up in another topic....
Hmm, surely I mean to say that I love and vote for both... Really disappointed in past me. 
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 07 2023 at 13:03
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Supertramp Funny thing (or maybe not), before I ever heard the Elton John song, I heard the Dream Theater cover.
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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: September 07 2023 at 14:26
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I'm not generally an Elton John fan but "Funeral for a Friend (Love Lies Bleeding)" is a great track. I also love "Fool's Overture". I really don't know which one I prefer, so I'll take the easy route and vote for both equally. ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: September 07 2023 at 14:57
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Close one, but I give the edge to Supertramp. My bladder needs bigger socks. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: September 07 2023 at 16:02
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I love Fool's Overture. That Elton John track not so much. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 07 2023 at 22:26
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Most of Elton's prog credentials came from that track, often played a lot in the 70's alongside a lot of other proggy stuff. I like The Supertamp track but I prefer other things they did. If we are talking proggy seventies crossover stuff then what about 10CC - One Night In Paris and Meat Loaf - Bat Out Of Hell?!
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 07 2023 at 23:51
| When i did this poll we didn't even have a Crossover Prog category. Supertramp was in Art Rock. I think I did it because there had been comments that Elton John had nothing to do with Prog, yet Fool's Overture, from a band in PA, has oft been considered a particularly Proggy Supertramp track and I have long closely associated "Funeral for a Friend (Love Lies Bleeding)" with "Fools Overture" -- good companion pieces to me. Bat Out of Hell may be Crossover Proogy but I don't get the same vibe from it as these two. Listening to that 10cc now and it's reminding me of Queen (great track regardless), and actually getting some of that Fools Overture vibe too. Maybe I would too off Bat out of Hell if I listened again. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: September 08 2023 at 02:00
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Fool's Overture (though I like both).
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: September 08 2023 at 06:24
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By the way, I actually do like some Elton John tracks (Our Song, Rocket Man,...), but I don't expect of artists with other qualities to be "as proggy as they can", and the stuff that people think is "their most proggy" is often not what I'm attracted to. (I do understand why these two make sense as a pairing though.) |
Posted By: MortSahlFan
Date Posted: September 08 2023 at 06:46
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I'm more of a Supertramp fan but I love them both. I think "Funeral For a Friend" is Elton's best, but I can think of better Supertramp songs, although it is a great one. The most underrated band ever. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/c/LoyalOpposition https://www.scribd.com/document/382737647/MortSahlFan-Song-List |
Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: September 08 2023 at 08:45
Fool's Overture 
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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: September 08 2023 at 13:07
Supertramp might be underrated on this forum, but they don't seem to me to be underrated in the general public. I occasionally hear Supertramp songs on the radio, including "Fool's Overture", one of the few prog songs I hear on the radio. ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: September 08 2023 at 13:18
| Very good matchup. I voted both. |
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: September 08 2023 at 19:49
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The Elton John track, IMO, always makes me wish he had gone a step further with the prog stylization, and added some more angular counterpoints, unusual time signatures, more complex fast synth noodling et al. I fuсking love Funeral for a Friend, but the arrangement doesn't build enough tension for me. It's like, it's locked within that "prog on easy mode" world, and it wants to escape it real bad. The tension is mounting and mounting, and then when you expect a prog breakdown, maybe even a timesig shift, it's all over and Love Lies Bleeding starts. :_: ------------- “On the day of my creation, I fell in love with education. And overcoming all frustration, a teacher I became.” — Ernest Vong |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: September 08 2023 at 21:24
| ^I wasn't able to embed it on here but if you go to youtube listen to his track "out of the blue" from his Blue Moves album. It might surprise you. It's probably more fusion than prog though. Also, the short track "theme from a non-existant tv series" from the same album. Both are instrumental. |
Posted By: MortSahlFan
Date Posted: September 09 2023 at 04:46
Wow,
interesting.. I'm in Michigan and although I haven't listened to the
radio in years, for decades they played "Take the Long Way Home" (maybe
part of some work/home celebration thing) and a few hits, but never
would touch my favorite songs. Have you
heard the "Words Unspoken" demo? They remove this great part, and the
removal only took 8 seconds off the released version on album :( ------------- https://www.youtube.com/c/LoyalOpposition https://www.scribd.com/document/382737647/MortSahlFan-Song-List |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 09 2023 at 04:57
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I heard Supertramp in a mall once, I was honestly surprised. But I guess they have a few famous songs, so I guess I should not be that surprised. These days there are reaction videos to Supertramp songs, so what do I know... I'm just glad people discover their music.
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: September 09 2023 at 06:11
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: September 09 2023 at 06:16
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Musicians whom were involved with the musicians in Supertramp, previous to Supertramps beginning are Gilbert O'Sullivan whom played in band with Rick Davies and Reginald Kenneth Dwight whom played in Argosy, led by Roger Hodgson and had Caleb Quaye and Nigel Olsson on drums. -------------
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 09 2023 at 23:17
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Rick Davies is from my home town Swindon so would make sense he would have played in a band with Gilbert O'Sullivan who was born just up the road in Marlborough. The Elton John connection is very interesting. Supertamp was globally massive around the time of Breakfast In America, the number of times I heard Logical Song on the radio was countless, still love that song and the whole album to this day. Also aren't they Homer's favourite band in The Simpsons?!
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: September 10 2023 at 08:29
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Interesting. The ccountry they become most popular is Canada, so ive read. The story of Rick Davies is quite interesting, not that the backround of Roger Hodgson, Bob Siebenberg, Dougie Thompson, John Halliwell or Richard Palmer James arrent interesting. -------------
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Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: September 10 2023 at 13:54
| Funeral : A Dave Hentschel collaboration (on ARP 2500) |
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: September 10 2023 at 19:49
| Elton John by far, even then, and Supertramp's style has aged poorly IMO. I can only listen to a few of their songs |
Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: September 13 2023 at 19:00
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I enjoy three Supertramp albums from start to finish - the debut, Crime and Crisis. There are gems scattered through the rest of the catalouge, but I can't say there's a great album outside the three mentioned. The one album that's always left me cold was Quietest - I love the pop song to start but the rest passes by and leaves nothing behind. I forget it the moment it passes. Funeral, on the other hand, starts four sides of moving pictures - each song a different film. Funeral is such a proggy gas to start such a fun album.....first a some lite prog, then a ballad, then boppy pop, then a country-tinged number, then a whack at Jamaica. Prime Elton - stuff that ping pongs in your head when you're out for shopping or taking a hike. Fool's Overture never ever pops up into your head. ------------- I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there..... |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 14 2023 at 01:24
I'd rank at lieast one more as high and change one of your choices. Brother Where You Bound is possibly the band's proggier album and can be seen as a concept album (as for Crime), because it's extremely political (>> almost in a Roger Waters sort of way) and I believe it should be commercialized with the movie and other videoclips made at the time. (ditto for Waters' 80's release... Difficult to pry apart TFC, P&C and KAOS from the clips made at the time) TBH, I can't stand Give a Little or Downstream, but I love everything else from Moments - which is more than I can say for Crisis. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |