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Topic: Palmer vs Peart
Posted By: Cygnus
Subject: Palmer vs Peart
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 12:53
both of them are outstanding  but  one of them must win.....Well???


Replies:
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 12:54
Being a Rush fan and all, I vote Peart.

Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 12:55
I know somebody will hate me for this LOL, but I have to vote for Neil - even though Palmer is also one of my favourites.

Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 12:56
Peart
Palmer is good, but Peart is on another level


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"You want me to play what, Robert?"

Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 12:57
Stéphane Galland. 

Posted By: rushaholic
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 13:05
Peart.

Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 13:16
No surprise with The Professor way in the lead. As bombastic as some may say some of his (and his band) work may be, the guy is your typical canadian, humble & personalbe. ELP, if memory serves me correct, are often given as a synonym for pomposity & overblown importance ... (not by me, I can only talk about two of their songs - Simple Man, & Karn Evil 9, I think 0/

Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 13:51
Me thinks Peart is going to give Carl a solid thumping on this one.

Peart is really the best drummer there is. Just my opinion, though.

E

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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 14:13
Yawn. Another drum poll where none of my canditates gets the vote. Moerlen would have drummed circles around them, wrapped them up in aluminium foil, put them on the ends of his drumsticks and thus have given them a close experience what drumming is really about.

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BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue.

Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 14:18
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Yawn. Another drum poll where none of my canditates gets the vote. Moerlen would have drummed circles around them, wrapped them up in aluminium foil, put them on the ends of his drumsticks and thus have given them a close experience what drumming is really about.
 
You've just given me a great idea! How about a facility where you can make an automatic response depending on the topic? If the topic mentions drumming you could just press a button and..........Wink

Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 14:26
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Yawn. Another drum poll where none of my canditates gets the vote. Moerlen would have drummed circles around them, wrapped them up in aluminium foil, put them on the ends of his drumsticks and thus have given them a close experience what drumming is really about.
 
You've just given me a great idea! How about a facility where you can make an automatic response depending on the topic? If the topic mentions drumming you could just press a button and..........Wink

I would, but it is not necessary; the Peart fans already invented it. Wink


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BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue.

Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 14:35
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Yawn. Another drum poll where none of my canditates gets the vote. Moerlen would have drummed circles around them, wrapped them up in aluminium foil, put them on the ends of his drumsticks and thus have given them a close experience what drumming is really about.
 
You've just given me a great idea! How about a facility where you can make an automatic response depending on the topic? If the topic mentions drumming you could just press a button and..........Wink

I would, but it is not necessary; the Peart fans already invented it. Wink
 
if I had to share royalties from the idea with all the Peart fans,I'd only get a one billionth share...LOL
 
Anyway, isnt it time for you to mention that 30 minute drum solo....?Tongue
 
 
 
I suggest you watch this:
 
http://www.rushisaband.com/video.php?id=42 - http://www.rushisaband.com/video.php?id=42
 
Star

Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 14:48
You are not even well informed, Tony; first of all I usually mention a 45 minute drum solo, and second it was not by Moerlen but by Vander. Unlike the Peart fans I am not a broken record that is stuck and goes repeating "Peart...Peart...Peart" all the time; on the contrary, I have given my acknowledgements to numerous drummers again and again. It is just typically of Peart fans that they react like spoiled little brats when one does not join in their chorus. And when one repays them a bit they react like little kids who have been stolen their facourite toy.
Sorry, I accidentially hit the pick-up of your record player. I will put it on again.
"Peart...Peart...Peart".


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BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue.

Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 14:51
I sympathise because these drummers do get talked about all the time. you wouldn't get half the votes on a Vander vs. Moerlen poll and they're no less worthy

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FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL

Posted By: MattiR
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 14:54
After watching various concerts (only video) of ELP and Rush I think Palmer is slightly better than Peart. His performance on California Jam 1974 was really outstanding!

Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 14:54
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

You are not even well informed, Tony; first of all I usually mention a 45 minute drum solo, and second it was not by Moerlen but by Vander. Unlike the Peart fans I am not a broken record that is stuck and goes repeating "Peart...Peart...Peart" all the time; on the contrary, I have given my acknowledgements to numerous drummers again and again. It is just typically of Peart fans that they react like spoiled little brats when one does not join in their chorus. And when one repays them a bit they react like little kids who have been stolen their facourite toy.
Sorry, I accidentially hit the pick-up of your record player. I will put it on again.
"Peart...Peart...Peart".
I voted for Palmer......

Posted By: endlessepic
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 14:58
I prefer Pearts drum soloing. "anatomy of a drum solo" convinced me of that. Palmer has awesome solos too but Pearts are more varied and thought-through. However, I much prefer Palmer's drumming during songs. It is incredible. Palmer gets my vote.

Peart is a monster tho...

Posted By: polyrythmic
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 15:08
Palmer is better in my opinion, Peart is to much of a mechanical drummer.

Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 15:10
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

You are not even well informed, Tony; first of all I usually mention a 45 minute drum solo, and second it was not by Moerlen but by Vander. Unlike the Peart fans I am not a broken record that is stuck and goes repeating "Peart...Peart...Peart" all the time; on the contrary, I have given my acknowledgements to numerous drummers again and again. It is just typically of Peart fans that they react like spoiled little brats when one does not join in their chorus. And when one repays them a bit they react like little kids who have been stolen their facourite toy.
Sorry, I accidentially hit the pick-up of your record player. I will put it on again.
"Peart...Peart...Peart".
I voted for Palmer......

<beep...beep...beep>
"National Health Service. What can we do for you?"
"Can you please send an ambulance to a certain Tony Riviere? He does not seem to be well."
"What symptoms does he show?"
"In a 'Peart vs. Palmer" Poll thread in a progressive rock forum he mentioned he gave his vote to Palmer".
"Wait a moment. You are not speaking of the out-and-out Rush fan Tony Riviere, are you?"
"I am!"
"That sounds very alarming indeed; I will send an ambulance immediately. Please stay close to him and try to resuscitate him by playing Rush records to him".


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BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue.

Posted By: stewe
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 15:13
Peart is flawless, his drumming perfectly suits to my tastes in every single moment...

Palmer is great, but there's no comparsion for me.

Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 15:17
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

You are not even well informed, Tony; first of all I usually mention a 45 minute drum solo, and second it was not by Moerlen but by Vander. Unlike the Peart fans I am not a broken record that is stuck and goes repeating "Peart...Peart...Peart" all the time; on the contrary, I have given my acknowledgements to numerous drummers again and again. It is just typically of Peart fans that they react like spoiled little brats when one does not join in their chorus. And when one repays them a bit they react like little kids who have been stolen their facourite toy.
Sorry, I accidentially hit the pick-up of your record player. I will put it on again.
"Peart...Peart...Peart".
I voted for Palmer......

<beep...beep...beep>
"National Health Service. What can we do for you?"
"Can you please send an ambulance to a certain Tony Riviere? He does not seem to be well."
"What symptoms does he show?"
"In a 'Peart vs. Palmer" Poll thread in a progressive rock forum he mentioned he gave his vote to Palmer".
"Wait a moment. You are not speaking of the out-and-out Rush fan Tony Riviere, are you?"
"I am!"
"That sounds very alarming indeed; I will send an ambulance immediately. Please stay close to him and try to resuscitate him by playing Rush records to him".
 
Out and out Porcupine Tree fan actually...Shocked
 
But this isnt the place to mention off-topic drummers like Gavin Harrison...
 
http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/gavinharrisoncymbalsong.html - http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/gavinharrisoncymbalsong.html
 

Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 15:18
Peart's style is more unique, so i'll go with him.

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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 15:18
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

 
 
 
I suggest you watch this:
 
http://www.rushisaband.com/video.php?id=42 - http://www.rushisaband.com/video.php?id=42
 
Star

Ah, thats nothing...I can do that while drinking a coke...


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"You want me to play what, Robert?"

Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 15:20
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

You are not even well informed, Tony; first of all I usually mention a 45 minute drum solo, and second it was not by Moerlen but by Vander. Unlike the Peart fans I am not a broken record that is stuck and goes repeating "Peart...Peart...Peart" all the time; on the contrary, I have given my acknowledgements to numerous drummers again and again. It is just typically of Peart fans that they react like spoiled little brats when one does not join in their chorus. And when one repays them a bit they react like little kids who have been stolen their facourite toy.
Sorry, I accidentially hit the pick-up of your record player. I will put it on again.
"Peart...Peart...Peart".
I voted for Palmer......

<beep...beep...beep>
"National Health Service. What can we do for you?"
"Can you please send an ambulance to a certain Tony Riviere? He does not seem to be well."
"What symptoms does he show?"
"In a 'Peart vs. Palmer" Poll thread in a progressive rock forum he mentioned he gave his vote to Palmer".
"Wait a moment. You are not speaking of the out-and-out Rush fan Tony Riviere, are you?"
"I am!"
"That sounds very alarming indeed; I will send an ambulance immediately. Please stay close to him and try to resuscitate him by playing Rush records to him".

jajajajajaLOL Classic Baldie


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"You want me to play what, Robert?"

Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 15:20
Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

 
 
 
I suggest you watch this:
 
http://www.rushisaband.com/video.php?id=42 - http://www.rushisaband.com/video.php?id=42
 
Star

Ah, thats nothing...I can do that while drinking a coke...


You can watch a video while drinking a coke? Shocked


AMAZING!

Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 16:31
I will edit the drum solo of Pierre Moerlen out of the Knebworth live DVD of Mike Oldfield, upload it and post the link here, so you will all have a direct comparison to Peart.

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BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue.

Posted By: oracus
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 17:06
I Voted for Palmer (i love his drumming style)but i think Peart is more technical efficient

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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 17:10
Originally posted by Philéas Philéas wrote:

Stéphane Galland. 


HELL YEAH.

http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=1312

Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 17:13
I'm not a drummer... unless you count air drums and I'm frickin good at that..

Palmer is far more interesing for me to listen to .... and his work on Toccata.. drumming and his creative input into bringing a monster of a work like Ginastera's piano  concerto to life,  put him above anything Peart did in terms of prog music. Not just an walking drum solo highlight.. but a prog musician.


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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 18:33
as an ELP fan I voted for......PeartShocked
 
Peart stylistically is the most balanced drummer in prog.He has Brufords control but can work up Palmer's animal like intensity when the mood takes him.Supreme drummer for me.I always vote for Peart in drumming polls despite my ELP allegiance.

Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 18:33
Is it just me, or sometimes we just get so off-topic in polls? I mean, there are just two options here.... I know there are better drummers that these two, at least for my taste... but if the poll only has two options to choose from, and not a third one saying "other", why is it so difficult to vote for either one or the other? Peart or Palmer? The poll's name is not "best drummer ever", but Palmer vs Peart.... Now, I may be so out of this world by saying this, but if the question is A vs B, Choose between A or B, how come many people vote C?????

Anyway, I vote for Terry Bozzio.

Big%20smile



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Posted By: Masque
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 18:36
Peart  is the drummers drummer,   anybody who  knows  drums knows Peart is the King Thumbs%20Up

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Posted By: progadicto
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 18:44
Palmer... because he IS Palmer...

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... E N E L B U N K E R...

Posted By: chessman
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 19:24
Another easy one for me.
Palmer is decent.....but Peart is Peart!
 
The Rush man gets my vote! Smile

Posted By: chessman
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 19:27
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Is it just me, or sometimes we just get so off-topic in polls? I mean, there are just two options here.... I know there are better drummers that these two, at least for my taste... but if the poll only has two options to choose from, and not a third one saying "other", why is it so difficult to vote for either one or the other? Peart or Palmer? The poll's name is not "best drummer ever", but Palmer vs Peart.... Now, I may be so out of this world by saying this, but if the question is A vs B, Choose between A or B, how come many people vote C?????

Anyway, I vote for Terry Bozzio.

Big%20smile

Very well put indeed! Clap 
 
(And a riotous finale, sir! LOL)

Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 21:12
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Yawn. Another drum poll where none of my canditates gets the vote. Moerlen would have drummed circles around them, wrapped them up in aluminium foil, put them on the ends of his drumsticks and thus have given them a close experience what drumming is really about.
 
You've just given me a great idea! How about a facility where you can make an automatic response depending on the topic? If the topic mentions drumming you could just press a button and..........Wink

I would, but it is not necessary; the Peart fans already invented it. Wink
 
if I had to share royalties from the idea with all the Peart fans,I'd only get a one billionth share...LOL
 
Anyway, isnt it time for you to mention that 30 minute drum solo....?Tongue
 
 
 
I suggest you watch this:
 
http://www.rushisaband.com/video.php?id=42 - http://www.rushisaband.com/video.php?id=42
 
Star

Re : this poll - I thought the proposition was a person's preference between two percussioners whose last name starts with P. Oh well, some petty people will get P.O.d over polls. LOL . Mind you, I've always found an intriguing way of saving myself time & frustration when it comes to polls or lounges listed herein - I don't bother with them. Then with the time I've saved, I can think up my own limited choice polls to irritate people with unlimited time to spend explaining why they hate such polls. I guess it's how you bait the hook ...

It's not that i don't understand your point; it's that I don't agree with it Tongue or is it that I do understate your point but not you, or that I Allstate your paint, mutt not fool ... anyway my point is a period . not a comma , don't mind me I'm in a semi-colon ;}

Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 23:11
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

You are not even well informed, Tony; first of all I usually mention a 45 minute drum solo, and second it was not by Moerlen but by Vander.


Where can I find this 45 minute solo?  Vander is incredible, and I wanna hear (or better still, see) this!

My vote goes to Peart.  As much as I enjoy Palmer, and as much as I dislike the blind Peart fans, I think Neil deserves this.  However, there's still drummers out there better then Peart. 


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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 23:29
Originally posted by progismylife progismylife wrote:

Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

 
 
 
I suggest you watch this:
 
http://www.rushisaband.com/video.php?id=42 - http://www.rushisaband.com/video.php?id=42
 
Star

Ah, thats nothing...I can do that while drinking a coke...


You can watch a video while drinking a coke? Shocked


AMAZING!





And thats not all sometimes...I drink Light Coke...ohhhShockedShockedShockedShockedShocked


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"You want me to play what, Robert?"

Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 23:33
Palmer for me, but we all know Rutsey pwnsWink

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Beauty will save the world.

Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 23:54
Originally posted by Zappa88 Zappa88 wrote:

Palmer for me, but we all know Rutsey pwnsWink


In fact, Peart isn't an official member of the group.  He's just sitting in for a while until John Rutsey comes back. 


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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: February 04 2007 at 02:14
I've seen them both and I don't get it.  It's Palmer by a mile.

Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: February 04 2007 at 04:30
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:


Yawn. Another drum poll where none of my canditates gets the vote. Moerlen would have drummed circles around them, wrapped them up in aluminium foil, put them on the ends of his drumsticks and thus have given them a close experience what drumming is really about.


You mean he'd have played some Jack DeJohnette to them?

Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: February 04 2007 at 06:12
Originally posted by dwill123 dwill123 wrote:

I've seen them both and I don't get it.  It's Palmer by a mile.
 
 
fantasy is interesting, ditto seen them both and I dont get it. Carl Palmer BLOWS AWAY lttle Neily live. Saw Palmer on BSS tour and Peart on Farewell to Kings. ELP was only 10 times as astonishing.

Posted By: Jeremy Bender
Date Posted: February 04 2007 at 09:04
Carl Palmer because he was a pioneer of progdrumming, and one of the first drummers who used gongs, timps, bells and electronic percussion all in one.
 
Peart specialized progdrumming, but without Palmer no Peart.
Peart is more steady and maybe he has a better technique but is too clinical for my ears and not so diverse as Palmer.
 
In short Peart is maybe a better 'drummer' (certainly a better teamplayer, and better songplayer) but was never so creative as Palmer.
Oh, and Palmer is certainly a better soloist imo.
So CP all the way.....
 
For people who doubt CP:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn9fkAGwJcM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn9fkAGwJcM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZrvES90m2c - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZrvES90m2c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBav0J_Fs1A - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBav0J_Fs1A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izVBmnrO5Ak - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izVBmnrO5Ak
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thhnwqyFjEg - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thhnwqyFjEg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvhjgQvvK18 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvhjgQvvK18
 
But who inspired who?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slh3qS0Jp88 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slh3qS0Jp88
 
 
 

Posted By: MattiR
Date Posted: February 04 2007 at 09:42
Originally posted by Jeremy Bender Jeremy Bender wrote:

Carl Palmer because he was a pioneer of progdrumming, and one of the first drummers who used gongs, timps, bells and electronic percussion all in one.
 
Peart specialized progdrumming, but without Palmer no Peart.
Peart is more steady and maybe he has a better technique but is too clinical for my ears and not so diverse as Palmer.
 
In short Peart is maybe a better 'drummer' (certainly a better teamplayer, and better songplayer) but was never so creative as Palmer.
Oh, and Palmer is certainly a better soloist imo.
So CP all the way.....
 
For people who doubt CP:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn9fkAGwJcM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn9fkAGwJcM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZrvES90m2c - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZrvES90m2c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBav0J_Fs1A - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBav0J_Fs1A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izVBmnrO5Ak - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izVBmnrO5Ak
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thhnwqyFjEg - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thhnwqyFjEg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvhjgQvvK18 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvhjgQvvK18
 
But who inspired who?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slh3qS0Jp88 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slh3qS0Jp88
 
 
 


That's right! California Jam 1974 is a good example Smile

Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 04 2007 at 11:54
Originally posted by MattiR MattiR wrote:

Originally posted by Jeremy Bender Jeremy Bender wrote:

Carl Palmer because he was a pioneer of progdrumming, and one of the first drummers who used gongs, timps, bells and electronic percussion all in one.
 
Peart specialized progdrumming, but without Palmer no Peart.
Peart is more steady and maybe he has a better technique but is too clinical for my ears and not so diverse as Palmer.
 
In short Peart is maybe a better 'drummer' (certainly a better teamplayer, and better songplayer) but was never so creative as Palmer.
Oh, and Palmer is certainly a better soloist imo.
So CP all the way.....
 
For people who doubt CP:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn9fkAGwJcM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn9fkAGwJcM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZrvES90m2c - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZrvES90m2c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBav0J_Fs1A - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBav0J_Fs1A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izVBmnrO5Ak - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izVBmnrO5Ak
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thhnwqyFjEg - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thhnwqyFjEg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvhjgQvvK18 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvhjgQvvK18
 
But who inspired who?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slh3qS0Jp88 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slh3qS0Jp88
 
 
 


That's right! California Jam 1974 is a good example Smile


Sorry Jeremy, you must be on a bender. Without Gene Krupa, no Neil Peart. Check out Peart's Anatomy of a Drum Solo. He mentions Krupa, Baker, Mitch Mitchell, but no Palmer. And as far as judging a drummer's talent as somehow measured by the more percussion instruments used, the better the drummer, well ... give me Joe Morello (Dave Brubeck Quartet among others) with the usual basic kit of his day over Palmer any day. Or if that's your main criteria - check out John Weathers playing Glockenspiel.
Peart does enjoy godhead status among the rock drummer elite, & deservedly so; but even he doesn't claim to be the best ever. And finally, just to ensure this is not taken as an attack on Palmer, I think most of the drummers such as Peart, Palmer et al, would say they still stand in awe of the "old time" jazz drummers.

Posted By: Jeremy Bender
Date Posted: February 04 2007 at 13:09
Originally posted by pantacruelgruel pantacruelgruel wrote:

Originally posted by MattiR MattiR wrote:

Originally posted by Jeremy Bender Jeremy Bender wrote:

Carl Palmer because he was a pioneer of progdrumming, and one of the first drummers who used gongs, timps, bells and electronic percussion all in one.
 
Peart specialized progdrumming, but without Palmer no Peart.
Peart is more steady and maybe he has a better technique but is too clinical for my ears and not so diverse as Palmer.
 
In short Peart is maybe a better 'drummer' (certainly a better teamplayer, and better songplayer) but was never so creative as Palmer.
Oh, and Palmer is certainly a better soloist imo.
So CP all the way.....
 
For people who doubt CP:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn9fkAGwJcM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn9fkAGwJcM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZrvES90m2c - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZrvES90m2c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBav0J_Fs1A - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBav0J_Fs1A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izVBmnrO5Ak - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izVBmnrO5Ak
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thhnwqyFjEg - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thhnwqyFjEg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvhjgQvvK18 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvhjgQvvK18
 
But who inspired who?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slh3qS0Jp88 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slh3qS0Jp88
 
 
 


That's right! California Jam 1974 is a good example Smile


Sorry Jeremy, you must be on a bender. Without Gene Krupa, no Neil Peart. Check out Peart's Anatomy of a Drum Solo. He mentions Krupa, Baker, Mitch Mitchell, but no Palmer. And as far as judging a drummer's talent as somehow measured by the more percussion instruments used, the better the drummer, well ... give me Joe Morello (Dave Brubeck Quartet among others) with the usual basic kit of his day over Palmer any day. Or if that's your main criteria - check out John Weathers playing Glockenspiel.
Peart does enjoy godhead status among the rock drummer elite, & deservedly so; but even he doesn't claim to be the best ever. And finally, just to ensure this is not taken as an attack on Palmer, I think most of the drummers such as Peart, Palmer et al, would say they still stand in awe of the "old time" jazz drummers.
 
What I mean with without Palmer no Peart is that Palmer made the way clear for progdrumming in a powertrio (as Rush). I'm sure Peart was influenced by him. I don't judge drummers becuase of the size of their drumkit (i myself like more the basic kits of bruford and bonham) I say that Palmer set a standard for progdrumming including megakits with all the various percussion instruments and because of that he influenced Peart (who on his part influenced Portnoy, also a 'super' progdrummer with a megakit).
 

Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: February 04 2007 at 14:16
See you and raise with this little Peart Improv:
 
http://www.rushisaband.com/video.php?id=668 - http://www.rushisaband.com/video.php?id=668
 
 

Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: February 04 2007 at 14:23
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

See you and raise with this little Peart Improv:
 
http://www.rushisaband.com/video.php?id=668 - http://www.rushisaband.com/video.php?id=668
 
 
 
Well, uhh, I heard Peart steals lollipops from little girls!Evil%20Smile
 
 
Wink


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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: February 04 2007 at 14:24
Palmer.
 
ELP owns Rush, btw. (Wink@ Tony)


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Posted By: Liquid Len
Date Posted: February 04 2007 at 14:35
Carl Palmer by a country mile.

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 04 2007 at 15:12
Originally posted by Jeremy Bender Jeremy Bender wrote:

Originally posted by pantacruelgruel pantacruelgruel wrote:

Originally posted by MattiR MattiR wrote:

Originally posted by Jeremy Bender Jeremy Bender wrote:

Carl Palmer because he was a pioneer of progdrumming, and one of the first drummers who used gongs, timps, bells and electronic percussion all in one.
 
Peart specialized progdrumming, but without Palmer no Peart.
Peart is more steady and maybe he has a better technique but is too clinical for my ears and not so diverse as Palmer.
 
In short Peart is maybe a better 'drummer' (certainly a better teamplayer, and better songplayer) but was never so creative as Palmer.
Oh, and Palmer is certainly a better soloist imo.
So CP all the way.....
 
For people who doubt CP:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn9fkAGwJcM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn9fkAGwJcM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZrvES90m2c - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZrvES90m2c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBav0J_Fs1A - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBav0J_Fs1A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izVBmnrO5Ak - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izVBmnrO5Ak
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thhnwqyFjEg - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thhnwqyFjEg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvhjgQvvK18 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvhjgQvvK18
 
But who inspired who?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slh3qS0Jp88 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slh3qS0Jp88
 
 
 


That's right! California Jam 1974 is a good example Smile


Sorry Jeremy, you must be on a bender. Without Gene Krupa, no Neil Peart. Check out Peart's Anatomy of a Drum Solo. He mentions Krupa, Baker, Mitch Mitchell, but no Palmer. And as far as judging a drummer's talent as somehow measured by the more percussion instruments used, the better the drummer, well ... give me Joe Morello (Dave Brubeck Quartet among others) with the usual basic kit of his day over Palmer any day. Or if that's your main criteria - check out John Weathers playing Glockenspiel.
Peart does enjoy godhead status among the rock drummer elite, & deservedly so; but even he doesn't claim to be the best ever. And finally, just to ensure this is not taken as an attack on Palmer, I think most of the drummers such as Peart, Palmer et al, would say they still stand in awe of the "old time" jazz drummers.
 
What I mean with without Palmer no Peart is that Palmer made the way clear for progdrumming in a powertrio (as Rush). I'm sure Peart was influenced by him. I don't judge drummers becuase of the size of their drumkit (i myself like more the basic kits of bruford and bonham) I say that Palmer set a standard of progdrumming including megakits with all the various percussion instruments and because of that he influenced Peart (who on his part influenced Portnoy also a 'super' progdrummer with a megakit).
 

For progdrumming, I would probably suggest Ginger Baker. Jazz training, plus the original power trio, plus self-indulgence (before the dam broke, and musicians totally forgot about the audience). Blues, Pop, some blues & jazz, & some would hint hint at psych & prog - ex. White Room, not extravagant or complex melody-wise, but lyrical content showed a progression beyond the standard of the day. I do agree with you, though, on the number of pieces in a kit. Some drummers, as the two you mention, are better drummers than some "mega-kit" kiddies of today. They've looked at Peart & Palmer & fallen in the trap of thinking that's where P & P's talents reside. In case there some huge Triumph fans out there, let me say that this is ust an opinion & not one that I would kill for, so here goes - Gil Levine had a big kit for a hard rock drummer, but any review of Triumph's rhythm section described them as "leaden", bar band competent, & from my listening overdrummed.

Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: February 04 2007 at 16:56
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That's right! California Jam 1974 is a good example Smile
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Is there a video avaiable of the California Jam? I was there and was looking for it, but cant find a source. do you know where you can get a video of this great event?
 
 
BTW, I dont hate Rush, I just dont think they are that great. in the day, they were a second tier or backup band to the big boys.

Posted By: rushaholic
Date Posted: February 04 2007 at 17:10
Originally posted by DallasBryan DallasBryan wrote:

 
 
BTW, I dont hate Rush, I just dont think they are that great. in the day, they were a second tier or backup band to the big boys.


2nd tier?  In their day they were not backing up anyone.

You may not hate them but you usually don't miss a chance to slam them either.

Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 04 2007 at 17:57
Originally posted by pantacruelgruel pantacruelgruel wrote:

Originally posted by MattiR MattiR wrote:

Originally posted by Jeremy Bender Jeremy Bender wrote:

Carl Palmer because he was a pioneer of progdrumming, and one of the first drummers who used gongs, timps, bells and electronic percussion all in one.
 
Peart specialized progdrumming, but without Palmer no Peart.
Peart is more steady and maybe he has a better technique but is too clinical for my ears and not so diverse as Palmer.
 
In short Peart is maybe a better 'drummer' (certainly a better teamplayer, and better songplayer) but was never so creative as Palmer.
Oh, and Palmer is certainly a better soloist imo.
So CP all the way.....
 
For people who doubt CP:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn9fkAGwJcM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn9fkAGwJcM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZrvES90m2c - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZrvES90m2c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBav0J_Fs1A - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBav0J_Fs1A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izVBmnrO5Ak - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izVBmnrO5Ak
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thhnwqyFjEg - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thhnwqyFjEg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvhjgQvvK18 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvhjgQvvK18
 
But who inspired who?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slh3qS0Jp88 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slh3qS0Jp88
 
 
 


That's right! California Jam 1974 is a good example Smile


Sorry Jeremy, you must be on a bender. Without Gene Krupa, no Neil Peart. Check out Peart's Anatomy of a Drum Solo. He mentions Krupa, Baker, Mitch Mitchell, but no Palmer. And as far as judging a drummer's talent as somehow measured by the more percussion instruments used, the better the drummer, well ... give me Joe Morello (Dave Brubeck Quartet among others) with the usual basic kit of his day over Palmer any day. Or if that's your main criteria - check out John Weathers playing Glockenspiel.
Peart does enjoy godhead status among the rock drummer elite, & deservedly so; but even he doesn't claim to be the best ever. And finally, just to ensure this is not taken as an attack on Palmer, I think most of the drummers such as Peart, Palmer et al, would say they still stand in awe of the "old time" jazz drummers.
 
Palmer did stand in awe of Buddy Rich although Rich had a certain amount of respect for Carl's abilities as well. 

Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: February 04 2007 at 18:29
Originally posted by DallasBryan DallasBryan wrote:

 
 
BTW, I dont hate Rush, I just dont think they are that great. in the day, they were a second tier or backup band to the big boys.
Well they were/are certainly MUCH bigger than most bands you could mention,and certainly had a longer shelf-life. That remark is just plain silly.
"In the day" their albums hit the Top 5 in the main album chart both in the US and in the UK. Popularity doesnt always equate with quality, but for a "cult" band from Canada with a vocalist that is very much an aquired taste, I would say that is pretty phenomenal, wouldnt you? From Allmusic:
 
 although typically brushed aside by critics and although rare recipients of mainstream pop radio airplay, the group nonetheless won an impressive and devoted fan following while their virtuoso performance skills solidified their standing as musicians' musicians.
 
 
In fact in reality they have been far more successful both artistically and financially over a far longer period than any band outside of Pink Floyd.
 
 
 
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If you think that is "2nd Tier" then you are totally deluded, my friend...Wink

Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: February 04 2007 at 18:31
Sic him Tony, Sic him !

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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 04 2007 at 18:59
Well, in the circles I moved in Rush were regarded as a hard rock band and definitely not as a prog band. So maybe they were big, but among proggers they were rated as 2nd class, at least here in Germany. And don't tell me it wasn't so, Tony; I experienced it first hand. Maybe they did sell big, but NOT as a prog act.

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Posted By: rushaholic
Date Posted: February 04 2007 at 20:00
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

If you think that is "2nd Tier" then you are totally deluded, my friend...Wink


Ah, if they had french or german names, he may have liked them a little.

Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 14:30
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Well, in the circles I moved in Rush were regarded as a hard rock band and definitely not as a prog band. So maybe they were big, but among proggers they were rated as 2nd class, at least here in Germany. And don't tell me it wasn't so, Tony; I experienced it first hand. Maybe they did sell big, but NOT as a prog act.
It wasnt so....I live in the home of Prog and in the home of Prog they were considered a Prog Rock band - I too experienced it first hand. Remember that there was only 3 years between their heavy rock album Fly By Night and A Farewell To Kings - maybe in Germany you were a little slow in catching up..Wink

Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 14:34
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Well, in the circles I moved in Rush were regarded as a hard rock band and definitely not as a prog band. So maybe they were big, but among proggers they were rated as 2nd class, at least here in Germany. And don't tell me it wasn't so, Tony; I experienced it first hand. Maybe they did sell big, but NOT as a prog act.
It wasnt so....I live in the home of Prog and in the home of Prog they were considered a Prog Rock band - I too experienced it first hand. Remember that there was only 3 years between their heavy rock album Fly By Night and A Farewell To Kings - maybe in Germany you were a little slow in catching up..Wink

Whatever you say, Tony - it was so. It is I who live in Germany and not you, so don't go telling me what the Germans thought. I experienced it first hand. All you have is hearsay at best.


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 21:18
My two cents - for the most part, Rush were considered hard rock or even heavy metal amongst my crowd.Not your typical hard rock or metal, but still in those styles. Prog at the time, in the late 70s brought to mind bands like Genesis, Gentle Giant, Moody Blues, Pink Floyd & such. Classical influences. long suites, complex tempos, concept albums - in essense rock with pretensions (whether you see thast as good or bad).
The question of first tier or second is harder. In music terms, they are arguably the following that are considered top tier - Beatles, Rolling Stones, Elvis, Chuck Berry, Led Zep, Elton John, Pink Floyd, Eagles. More modern acts that may join someday - U2, the Police, Nirvana, Pearl jam. The first five are usually out of each of argument's range. The rest are sometimes said to be the next tier along with The Who, The Clash, Black Sabbath, Genesis.  But even then any discussion soon becomes pointless as considerations such as sales, influence, career arc etc, make it impossible to really state unequivocally who's best better or good. An acquaintance of mine says if someone wants to argue, present the only objective measure is sales. He hates Britney Spears & loves a wide number of lesser selling bands, but just figures any arguing of the point is useless & a waste of time.

Posted By: endlessepic
Date Posted: February 05 2007 at 22:18
I agree that CP and NP were very in awe of jazz drummers but Neil Peart actually does mention Carl Palmer as being an influence in "Anatomy of a drum solo".

Posted By: Nash
Date Posted: February 06 2007 at 10:42
Palmer, without any doubt, he is my favourite drummer of all, and I think Pearl cant be compared with him

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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: February 06 2007 at 14:34
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Well, in the circles I moved in Rush were regarded as a hard rock band and definitely not as a prog band. So maybe they were big, but among proggers they were rated as 2nd class, at least here in Germany. And don't tell me it wasn't so, Tony; I experienced it first hand. Maybe they did sell big, but NOT as a prog act.
It wasnt so....I live in the home of Prog and in the home of Prog they were considered a Prog Rock band - I too experienced it first hand. Remember that there was only 3 years between their heavy rock album Fly By Night and A Farewell To Kings - maybe in Germany you were a little slow in catching up..Wink

Whatever you say, Tony - it was so. It is I who live in Germany and not you, so don't go telling me what the Germans thought. I experienced it first hand. All you have is hearsay at best.
 
 
I was just telling you what the thinking was in the home of prog that is all, I have no doubt whatsoever that you guys in Germany saw things differently...Wink

Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: February 15 2007 at 14:08

Palmer by a country mile!

Peart's drumming went downhill as Rush's music became less challenging. His style is like a woman's techniqie and moves his whole arms with very little wrist control. See a video of the Corr's drummer or Karen Carpenter and you'll see what I mean!

Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: February 15 2007 at 15:17
Peart for me, my drum hero (even though there are many drummers better than him nowadays, he remains the original to me, and he influenced so many drummers...)

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 15 2007 at 16:50
Originally posted by Progger Progger wrote:

Palmer by a country mile!

Peart's drumming went downhill as Rush's music became less challenging. His style is like a woman's techniqie and moves his whole arms with very little wrist control. See a video of the Corr's drummer or Karen Carpenter and you'll see what I mean!


LOL  when all else fails.. and the horribly overrated lyricist and nothing more than a walking drum solo insults fail .... .just say he drums like a woman.  LOLLOL

that's worth a couple of clappies... on what basis.. I haven't figured it out yet LOLLOL

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Posted By: dralan
Date Posted: February 15 2007 at 17:40
Both are excellent, but for me Palmer plays with a little more taste.

Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 15 2007 at 18:35
Originally posted by dralan dralan wrote:

Both are excellent, but for me Palmer plays with a little more taste.



hhahahha...  the Palmer fans here appreciate the vote.. but wonder about the complement of 'more taste'  thrown any where in the direction of Emerson Lake or Palmer LOLWink

I just settle for a better, more creative,  and just plain more interesting drummer


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 15 2007 at 18:37
This poll is closer than I thought. I'll make it closer.Approve

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 15 2007 at 20:47
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

This poll is closer than I thought. I'll make it closer.Approve



hahaha  pleasantly surprised myself .. maybe I have squashed more roaches that I thought.. or

people have finally opened their ears and seen for all Rush's reknown.. it simply is child's play compared to ELP and it's wildly complex and difficult music.  Palmer was a creative force behind it.

maybe don't know or forget that is often isn't Peart who is the 'king' of prog drumming but the original master

some thoughts from some  leading internet reviewers....

George Sarostin "Carl Palmer, soulless or not, did epitomize prog drumming, with his technically perfect style and clever contributions to the band's sound."

John McFerrin : Carl Palmer, as fine a prog drummer as one could find in the world; with an impeccably fluid and solid playing technique:

CapnMarvel "Carl Palmer is a technical drummer to end all technical drummers, a walking paradiddle who never met a tricky drumbeat he didn't complicate. Palmer was, to say the least, probably the whitest drummer since the guy who used to play on the old Association records, a man more fit to playing march rhythms on his snare than getting down with the fonky double bass-pedals. I guess I'll say this much about Carl...though I don't much like his playing when I separate it out from the unit, he definitely fits in perfectly with the ELP sound as defined by his two bandmates."

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Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 05:10
Had to even it up.  Peart is good, but seeing Palmer on 'Rock and Roll Your Eyes' and hearing Pictures at an Exhibition, I have to give the vote to Palmer....

Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 05:11
That last comment in Micky's last post is quite funny. Carl could rip up a snare like no one else (in prog) although Ivan put forward an interesting view on another thread that his strength was on the bass drum.I would still contend though that Peart is a more complete drummer..especially when comparing his tom tom work and bass drum work next to Carl's. (symbal work is about equal)

Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 05:14
Limmagine%20“http://www.80srockphotos.com/Rock_Stars/Neil_Peart.jpg”%20non%20può%20essere%20visualizzata%20poiché%20contiene%20degli%20errori.

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Posted By: Radar Love
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 10:49
Palmer is technically more advanced than Peart & that's probably due to his classical training. Peart's a great self taught drummer but not in Palmer's league technically.
 
Also, if you watch or listen to a Peart solo it's just all snare and cymbals. Palmer hits everything around him.

Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 10:57
Originally posted by Radar Love Radar Love wrote:

Palmer is technically more advanced than Peart & that's probably due to his classical training. Peart's a great self taught drummer but not in Palmer's league technically.
 
Also, if you watch or listen to a Peart solo it's just all snare and cymbals. Palmer hits everything around him.
 
Hmm, you and I didn't see the same solos from Peart, obviously... I've been playing drums since I was 10 and I'm 32 (you do the math), so I know what I'm talking about and believe me, it's far from being just 'snare and cymbals'.  Oh yeah, right, his drumset is just for show...Confused


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Posted By: MadcapLaughs84
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 11:04

Neil Peart is my favorite drummer, so...I vote for him.



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Posted By: Tommy
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 12:11
Originally posted by MadcapLaughs84 MadcapLaughs84 wrote:

Neil Peart is my favorite drummer, so...I vote for him.

 
No disrespect to anyone but that is the only reason why Peart is getting any votes. Because people vote for their 'favourite' drummer & not the best. I'm a drummer and trust me, if drummers were only allowed to vote in such polls with no bias then Palmer would walk this contest.
 
 

Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 12:25
Originally posted by Tommy Tommy wrote:

Originally posted by MadcapLaughs84 MadcapLaughs84 wrote:

Neil Peart is my favorite drummer, so...I vote for him.

 
No disrespect to anyone but that is the only reason why Peart is getting any votes. Because people vote for their 'favourite' drummer & not the best. I'm a drummer and trust me, if drummers were only allowed to vote in such polls with no bias then Palmer would walk this contest.
 
 
 
I have to disagree.  It all depends on what we want and like in a drummer (drummer too here!).  For example, people freak out over John Bonham, and I think he was really ordinary.  I'd take Ian Paice over Bonham any day.  Even as drummers, we can't help but let our tastes get in the way of what we judge to be a good drummer.  Same thing goes for guitarists : John Petrucci might be an extremely skilled and able player, but I prefer Andrew Latimer by a million miles, because he always sounds inspired and lets his guitar sing and cry... 
 
It all depends on what you look for in a player...


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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 22:55

Palmer i have no idea who rly is the best, palmer is my fav so he gets my vote meby its caus i like elp much more then rush..



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