which is the better "white" blues song
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Topic: which is the better "white" blues song
Posted By: ZowieZiggy
Subject: which is the better "white" blues song
Date Posted: January 25 2007 at 16:07
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These are IMO two great blues numbers (even if I'm not really in the blues genre).
One is generally considered as being the best one sung by a white man.
I thought that a second one might also compete, hence this poll.
I voted for "Since...". ------------- ZowieZiggy |
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: January 25 2007 at 16:53
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Since I´ve been lobin you is like the best blues song ever, with the best blues solo...eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Posted By: Witchwoodhermit
Date Posted: January 25 2007 at 17:04
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Closing My Eyes
Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac. ------------- Here I'm shadowed by a dragon fig tree's fan ringed by ants and musing over man. |
Posted By: Modrigue
Date Posted: January 25 2007 at 17:09
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Both are great, it's really tied.
I think I will go for Since I've been loving you
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: January 25 2007 at 17:10
| What about How Many More Times? Or any blues number on the first few Led Zeppelin albums. I vote Led Zep!! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: January 25 2007 at 18:20
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The question should be changed to "which is the better "white" blues song. Just off the top of my head I can name at least a half dozen better songs, & just from these 2 groups. Lazy, Demon's Eye, Why Didn't Rosemary, You Shook Me, Tea for One, When the Levee Breaks ... That's not counting Pink Floyd, ZZTop, Rolling Stones, Savoy Brown, Foghat, Jethro Tull, Rush, and numerous 70s generic hard rock groups who hit the bull's eye from time to time. |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: January 25 2007 at 18:32
Since I've been loving you is just perfect, especially the live version Not that Mistreated is bad...  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Rodolfo
Date Posted: January 25 2007 at 18:39
| Since I`ve been loving you. The guitar lick at 3/4 of the song reminds me of some classical music tunes. It`s out of an "standard" blues sound yet it's blues at its best |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 25 2007 at 18:51
| Led Zeppelin - Since I've been loving you. |
Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: January 25 2007 at 18:52
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Both are great!
and Here Again from the first Rush album ------------- carefulwiththataxe |
Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: January 25 2007 at 19:36
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Prog related section? My personal fave is How Many More Times by the Zep. -------------   |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 25 2007 at 19:41
makes sense... Zeppelin wasnt' prog... and hardly related.. get this crap out of here... may have found something actually worse than DT polls... Zepp polls... still waiting for the first Led Zepp IV v Close to the Edge poll  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
rileydog22 wrote:Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: January 25 2007 at 19:41
Zep takes it on this poll, but my all time fave is "You Didn't Try To Call Me" by Zappa.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 25 2007 at 19:51
hahahha.. have a couple clappies....  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: The Bard
Date Posted: January 25 2007 at 22:53
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since ive been lovin' you by a landslide. so much emotion, the guitar, the organ, the singing, it builds till it breaks. its amazing. ------------- Let the music be your master. |
Posted By: MadcapLaughs84
Date Posted: January 25 2007 at 23:25
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Zep, Since I've been loving you rocks absolutely ------------- 
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 25 2007 at 23:44
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Not Prog but the version of "The House of the Rising Sun" by BTO is simply outstanding, Randy Bachman does an amazing job.
Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: Witchwoodhermit
Date Posted: January 25 2007 at 23:50
 I've never heard that particular tune.
Nice one Ivan.------------- Here I'm shadowed by a dragon fig tree's fan ringed by ants and musing over man. |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: January 25 2007 at 23:52
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The only version of The House of the Rising Sun I know is by Geordie, Brian Johnson's pre-AC/DC blues-hard rock band, and it's excellent!
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 26 2007 at 00:46
There arre hundreed of versions, you may like the ones by:
Avoid the one by The Beatles Just found this link guess it's legal because it's provided by Wikipedia http://kiv.pp.ru/cgi-bin/index-house - http://kiv.pp.ru/cgi-bin/index-houseWith 262 versions but I already have more than enough in the hard disk so I haven't tried them so I don't know how they work.
Iván
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Posted By: Masque
Date Posted: January 26 2007 at 00:59
If I was to start a thread best black blues song or best yellow blues song that would be called racist by some people .. interesting how we have double standards on such topics 
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 26 2007 at 00:59
No, wait... What about LZ IV vs Dream Theater's whole output? BTW, he was quite right... I'm moving this to the PP/PR lounge, where it belongs. As concerns the two songs in question... As big a DP fan as I am, I absolutely love "Since I've Been Loving You", so my vote goes to it. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 26 2007 at 01:23
LMAO, don't worry, White Blues is a term I heard ,many times referring mostly to Southern Bands like Lynyrd Skynyrd who despite being white played mostly Blues.
This interest of white people for Blues was started around 1963 by Paul Butterfield, who according to some sources could be the first white man to become a Blues icon.
So it's not a racial problem
 Iván -------------
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: January 26 2007 at 01:58
| I prefer DP upon LZ, but "SIBLY" upon "M"... |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: January 26 2007 at 07:48
Now we're talking! "When the levee breaks" is just brilliant. I could also metion "In my time of dying", "I'm gonna crawl" and "Custard pie".
Glad to see a mention for the equally brilliant "Why Didn't Rosemary". I recently rediscovered that song when I hadn't heard it since the 70s.
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Posted By: MattiR
Date Posted: January 26 2007 at 08:59
| "Since I've Been Loving You" |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: January 26 2007 at 11:25
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"Mistreated" for me, entirely original too. One of Coverdale's finest vocal performances, and a killer guitar solo by Blackmore.
By the way, the best version of "House of the rising sun" I have heard was Frigid Pink's great interpretation.
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Posted By: Jack-a-lynn
Date Posted: January 26 2007 at 12:22
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Having never been a big Zepp fan myself, i have to vote for neither.
Are we talking about blues by white people? Because there's some stuff out there that is waaaay better than the Zepp, who's "blues" can barely be called such. Check out JOHN MAYALL!!!! ------------- "from the moment i could talk, i was ordered to listen." -cat stevens 
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Posted By: Witchwoodhermit
Date Posted: January 27 2007 at 01:47
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[QUOTE=Jack-a-lynn]Having never been a big Zepp fan myself, i have to vote for neither. Are we talking about blues by white people? Because there's some stuff out there that is waaaay better than the Zepp, who's "blues" can barely be called such. Check out JOHN MAYALL!!!! VERY NICE!
Thank you.
I, dare not bring in Mayall, in this prog-nest. Fangs will be drawn!!!
The only true patriot to white man's blues is JOHN MAYALL. ------------- Here I'm shadowed by a dragon fig tree's fan ringed by ants and musing over man. |
Posted By: andu
Date Posted: January 27 2007 at 15:30
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I think the songs that captures the best effort of the white man trying to achieve the "black" sound is Zepp's "Travellin' Riverside Blues". White Blues, indeed! ------------- "PA's own GI Joe!" 
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: January 27 2007 at 16:12
I would go for a proper British blues band too rather than these two heavy rock bands that mixed it with all sorts. So supportive of PG's FM - but perhaps the alt take (was this the US released version?) of Christine Perfect playing Hammond on I Need You Love So Bad. Or one of the versions of Jumpin' At Shadows by its composer Duster Bennett. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: January 27 2007 at 16:27
Ivan You have completely omitted the east Atlantic input: Cyril Davis, Alexis Korner, Chris Barber - and maybe John Mayall. Barber was playing blues in the mid 50's, renown for cutting into a set of dixieland jazz during a gig, with 30 minutes of blues with his banjo/guitar player the late Lonnie Donnegan - soon after Donnegan was seminal in that peculiar British hybrid of rockn'roll/delta blues/ folk called skiffle. There is an excellent CD of 1955 recordings made by former delta blues artist Big Bill Broonzy The 1955 London Sessions recorded when Broonzy was over here guesting with Barber and his Band. Alexis Korner has long been called the godfather of British blues (along with Cyril Davis - although I note John Mayall has muscled in on the title recently), nurturing many of the members of the blues bands (then known as rhythm & blues - more Chicago than delta) that were to make such an impact each side of the Atlantic from 1962, e.g the Rolling Stones. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: January 27 2007 at 16:32
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I think BBC Radio 4 are doing a documentary this coming Friday on Eel Pie Island, the start point for many of the British blues bands (e.g. Rolling Stones, Yardbirds) at the beginning of the 60's as well as the Who - narrated by that fine harp player and vocalist Paul Jones (of the Manfred Mann Band and the Blues Band)
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 27 2007 at 17:02
Yes you're right Dick, there were many other musicians who were doing "white" Blues but in general terms Paul Butterfield is considered the first iconic figure and the one who made the term popular among Caucasian people.
Not to forget Alexis Korner either as you well mention, but in the US white people was very reluctant to accept Blues until Butterfeld.
BTW: Mayall recorded a couple of albums with Butterfeld.
Anyway we're talking about a valid label when referring yo white Blues.
Iván -------------
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Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: January 27 2007 at 17:39
| Some good one's are "The Ball and Chain" by Big Brother and The Holding Company featuring Janis Joplin + "Sittin' On Top of The World" by the Cream to their 1968 Albert Hall gig. |
Posted By: Witchwoodhermit
Date Posted: January 27 2007 at 23:50
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[QUOTE=Dick Heath] [QUOTE=Witchwoodhermit]Closing My Eyes
Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac. I would go for a proper British blues band too rather than these two heavy rock bands that mixed it with all sorts. So supportive of PG's FM - but perhaps the alt take (was this the US released version?) of Christine Perfect playing Hammond on I Need You Love So Bad. Or one of the versions of Jumpin' At Shadows by its composer Duster Bennett. Absolutely! Forgot about Jumpin' at Shadows. One of the first early Fleetwood Mac songs I discovered. ------------- Here I'm shadowed by a dragon fig tree's fan ringed by ants and musing over man. |
Posted By: ZowieZiggy
Date Posted: January 29 2007 at 08:06
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I totally agree with you Micky.
Led Zep is not prog. Neither is Deep Purple.
Still they are two of my fave bands (out of 300 probably).
About doing a poll between Close and Led Zep untitled album : why not.
Let's do some homework before :
- How many albums each were selling ?
- If you do a poll with 1,000 men (or women) in the street, guess who will win
- For their reunion tour (only Page/Plant) they filled arenas ranging between 10,000 to 20,000 people. Yes decided to get three concerts in San Luis Obispo to perform their fabulous "Keys" in a theater of 800 seats).
- If you do a poll on a prog web-site, obviously Close will win (the same would apply if you would do this poll on a hard-rock related site in favour of Led Zep). The difference being that Yes would get no vote there while Led Zep might get a few ones here.
Don't get me wrong. I have reviewed more than 30 Yes albums on this site. I am one of their fan since 1973. I own alost thier entire catalogue and saw them four times live.
I rated closed 5 STARS because I believe it is a masterpiece of prog music (as Relayer and Going For The One).
What I do not like is narrow-minding. Talking about Led Zep IV as you call it (for your reference it was untitled because Page was fed-up with the rock press which criticized Led Zep III in a way he did not like). He decided to release an album without any reference to the band, just to prove that it could sell like hell just for the music not for the name).
Talking about this album as "crap" shows only that you are not really aware of what you're talking about.
I believe the grandeur, now, of this site is to have several genre mixed and to have the opportunity to review great bands from the Rock history.
PS : for your information, while I discover that Deep Purple was reference here, I sent a review for "In Rock". I rated one star. Not because it is a bad album, but because it did not belong here.
This review was taken out after a few days because it was not in line with the decision to include it or not.
In the meantime, I have reviewed all of the Purple catalogue here (over 40) but following the rule.
The richness of rock music is inmense. Let's be a bit open-minded if at all possible.
By the way, since I have noticed that you are in Italian prog, let me tell you that I'm profunding in love with bands like P.F.M. (the first I have known in ...1974 or so), Germinale, Locanda Della Fate, Finisterre, Museo (for their fantastic Zarahustra) and the best one which is for me : La Maschera Di Cera (I've seen them once live, here in Belgium during a prog conference with Riverside and Knight Area.
Cheers. ------------- ZowieZiggy |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 29 2007 at 09:39
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OK, time to get a few things straight here... No one called Led Zep c**p. This thread had originally been opened in the Prog Music Lounge, though both the bands involved in the poll are NOT included in the site's database as prog, but as Proto-Prog (Deep Purple) and Prog-Related (Led Zep). What Micky was referring to as c**p was not either of the two bands, but the fact that the poll was in the Prog Lounge. He disagreed with Zep's addition from day one (as many others did), though he does like the band. I know his post lent itself to misunderstanding, but that's exactly what he meant - and I know it for certain. And there are few people around as open-minded as he is... He wouldn't have given one star to an album just because he thought it didn't belong here - he would've just ignored it. Hope the whole situation is a bit clearer now... |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 29 2007 at 17:55
glad to see a poster of your ....experience.... on the site.... enjoy it, it's a great site and I'll give you a bit of advice, unless you're familiar with a person and his posting style.. I recommend you refrain from drawing rather unsavory conclusions and don't call him out. There was a kid who took offense earlier.. he had the good sense to nuke me in private hahahh. Besides I'd hate to get off on the wrong foot with you We need more RPI fans here Alriighty enough of this ..crap.... since this is the SECOND person who has taken offence to my post. I hereby apologize the kids who idolize Zeppelin, and the more 'mature' posters with ....issues about the site jAs Raff noted.. I was referring to the placement of the poll, not your precious Led Zeppelin.
Going back to collab area... at least there people have valid
reasons to be throwing grenades at my good name and my
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 29 2007 at 22:45
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Don't worry Micky, I will always throw you grenades. But not to your good name.
Iván
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Posted By: Barla
Date Posted: January 29 2007 at 23:47
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"Since I've been loving you" is such a great blues song, one of my favorites from the genre and from Zep. And the solo... I can say Jimmy found his soul while playing it. Awesome!! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Barla/?chartstyle=LastfmMyspace">  
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