The Grateful Dead
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Topic: The Grateful Dead
Posted By: Rob The Good
Subject: The Grateful Dead
Date Posted: January 30 2005 at 19:50
This isn't a plea for them to be put into the archives at all! 
I'm new to their music, and have heard some songs from their American Beauty album which seems to have a distinct country-ish flavour, but I would like to hear their earlier psychedelic stuff. Does anyone recommend a place to start? I was thinking perhaps their Live/Dead album...  ------------- And Jesus said unto John, "come forth and receive eternal life..." Unfortunately, John came fifth and was stuck with a toaster. |
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Posted By: aqualung28
Date Posted: January 30 2005 at 19:59
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I don't usually reccommend best ofs but theirs is good. Workingman's Dead and Terrapin Station are supposed to be good ones also but I don't know anything about them ------------- "O' lady look up in time o' lady look out of love 'n you should have us all O' you should have us fall" "Bill's Corpse" By Captain Beefheart |
Posted By: Azrael2112
Date Posted: January 30 2005 at 21:36
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Terrapin Station is a great album. The title track is as prog as the dead
get. They usually are not my cup of tea, so I wouldnt know where to tell you to go from there. I know Spartacus is a big dead fan, maybe he'll see this post and let you know... ------------- http://www.flywithjet.com"> 
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Posted By: maani
Date Posted: January 30 2005 at 23:16
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Rob: Anthem of the Sun and Aotomotapoeia are probably the two most psychedelic albums in their catalogue, not including the Live/Dead album, which is arguably to live/jam/psychedelia what ITC is to prog. However, for my money, GD's best album is Blues for Allah, which is practically prog in places. Peace. |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: January 31 2005 at 02:17
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Recently buy "two from the vaults" in remastered hdcd (2004) by rhino
THIS IS SIMPLY THE BEST DEAD RECORDS EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This 1968 concert is incredible!!! they are at their best!!! all their best pieces are there: Disque : 1 1. Good Morning Little School Girl 2. Dark Star 3. Saint Stephen 4. Eleven 5. Death Don't Have No Mercy Disque : 2 1. That's It for the Other One: Cryptical Envolvement/Quadlibet for Tender 2. New Potato Caboose 3. Turn on Your Love Light 4. (Walk Me Out in The) Morning Dew If there's one record to have from them, that's it!!!! |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: January 31 2005 at 07:56
| Nobody knoes this record? |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: January 31 2005 at 11:22
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http://www.archive.org/audio/etreelisting-browse.php?collection=etree&cat=Grateful%20Dead&PHPSESSID=d6d9c44e282e62b719b42d084a4cbe4b - http://www.archive.org/audio/etreelisting-browse.php?collect ion=etree&cat=Grateful%20Dead&PHPSESSID=d6d9c44e282e 62b719b42d084a4cbe4b Check out those; start with the most popular one (~four hours long). It's free, so you've got nothing to lose  . |
Posted By: Spartacus
Date Posted: January 31 2005 at 11:34
| I second 2 From the Vault. I would also recommend Dick's Picks Volume 3. I never quite got the Dead until I heard DP3, a classic show from 1977. One thing you need to understand about the Dead is that they are not really a psychedelic band at all, despite their public view of being such. If psychedelic is what you are looking for then, as was stated earlier, Anthem of the Sun and Aoxomoxoa is the way to go. The true essence of the Dead lies somewhere between country, folk, and jazz. This essence is only truely represented in a live setting. Of special interest for prog fans is the Dead's space and drum jams played live throughout the 80s and 90s. Many deadheads loath these weird improvization jams, but prog fans such as us have a more open heart for the avent garde. For a good example of Space-Drums check out Dozin' at the Knick from 1990. |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: January 31 2005 at 12:47
Heh heh, except neo prog fans . Whoops! Did I say that out loud? |
Spartacus wrote:Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: January 31 2005 at 13:19
| I think you have chosen the best place to start already. American Beauty is probably their best album. I love every track on it. |
Posted By: maani
Date Posted: January 31 2005 at 16:32
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Rob: Oops! I meant "Aoxomoaxa." Peace. |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: January 31 2005 at 17:13
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Blues For Allah is probably their proggiest effort, with lots of jazzy chords and odd time signatures. The live album One From The Vault is a recording of the first time they played the material live - it's a bit hit and miss, but mostly good stuff. Terrapin Station is a side long epic that is extremely groovy, but the rest of the album veers from good to mediocre. Just about everything from their first decade is worth a listen, but prog was only one of the many bases their music touched. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: February 01 2005 at 00:26
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The HDCD rhino remastered version of "two from the faults"
sounds better than the old 1992 previous cD version. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 18 2005 at 20:31
| dozin at the knick is an excellent 3 disc live set as well |
Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 05:55
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I second maani's call for "Anthem of the Sun" and "Aoxomoxoa". The latter especially is one of my favorite Dead studio albums, a perfect cross-section of the early Dead: the Americana of "Dupree's Diamond Blues", the Brit-pop influence of "China Cat Sunflower", the antique folk sound of "Mountains of the Moon", and the pure LSD weirdness of "What's become of the Baby". Plus there's the classic 60's grooves of "St. Stephen", "Doin' that Rag" and "Cosmic Charlie", and the exquisite Leslie-soaked ballad "Rosemary". Live, you can't beat Two from the Vaults...there are some better 60s shows on bootlegs out there (my current favs are: http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=15551 - http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=15551 and http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=14706 - http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=14706 ), but none of these sound quite as good as "Two". Spartacus is totally correct- the Dead weren't a psychedelic band, they weren't even really a rock band. The Dead were fusing traditional American musical traditions (dixieland, jug band, folk, blues, R&B, free-jazz, bluegrass, et cetera) with a 'modern' electrified approach. The fact that they and everyone around them were doing a lot of psychedelics at the time certainly added to the sound, though, and of course the British Invasion had an inescapable influence on every band then as well. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/sollipsist/?chartstyle=kaonashi"> 
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 05:57
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Does someone know the dick's picks live albums?
I'm very interested in dick's pick's volume 26 (!) which is a live from 1969 with all the good pieces. But i'm afraid of the sound quality... |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 05:58
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You are right , Blues For Allah if fine but easily the most progressive IMHO is 1977's Terrapin Station's first side. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 08:46
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blues for allah is another of their alltime great accomplishments and i wouldnt attempt to compare it to terrapin or anything for that matter...way too unique
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Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 10:02
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I Like that Trukin song they Did. (Can't Remember the Title) ------------- CYMRU AM BYTH 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 19 2005 at 10:35
| i think they named that one either "casey jones" or "touch of grey" lol |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: April 20 2005 at 18:03
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It's called Truckin' - the final song on American Beauty, one of a pair of largely acoustic song based albums they put out in 1970 - the other was Workingman's Dead. Neither is remotely prog, but if you like rootsy American music they're both superb folk/blues/country/rock sets. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 21 2005 at 08:41
| i believe progman was being sarcastic if he wasnt god help us all |
Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: April 22 2005 at 00:25
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The most bizarre thing occurred last night. My sister and I went into Barnes and Noble last night because she needed to get a gift for her friend and I decided to tag along. We go into the music section, and there's this huge gathering of Dead Heads there. What was startling was they were there because Phil Lesh was doing a book signing! I got in line and shook his hand and told him that I enjoyed his music (I just think it's alright- but I wasn't going to pass up a chance like this). Then I bought Drama (Yes) and went home. ------------- 
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 22 2005 at 02:16
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Just bought Dick Pick's volume 26 which is a Dead concert from 1969.
This double Cd contains all the best pieces and the sound is average but not too bad. Electric Theater, Chicago, IL, 4/26/69 Labour Temple, Minneapolis, MN, 4/27/69 Disc 1: 1Dupree's Diamond Blues 4:30 Garcia / Hunter 2Mountains of the Moon 6:45 Garcia / Hunter 3China Cat Sunflower 5:58 Garcia / Hunter 4Doin' That Rag 7:18 Garcia / Hunter 5Cryptical Envelopment 3:05 Jerry Garcia 6The Other One 7:20 Weir / Kreutzmann 7The Eleven 7:59 Lesh / Hunter 8The Other One 1:04 Weir / Kreutzmann 9I Know It's a Sin 4:28 Reed / Reed 10Turn On Your Lovelight 20:37 Scott / Malone 11Me & My Uncle 4:12 John Phillips 12Sittin' on Top of the World 3:37 Traditional / Jacobs / Carter Disc 2: 1 Dark Star 26:37 Garcia / Weir / Lesh / McKernan / Kreutzmann / Hart / Hunter 2St. Stephen 9:18 Garcia / Lesh / Hunter 3The Eleven 10:19 Lesh / Hunter 4Turn On Your Lovelight 15:25 Scott / Malone 5 Morning Dew 10:47 Dobson / Rose Personnel:Click Name for Artist Discography Jerry Garcia - lead guitar, vocals Bob Weir - rhythm guitar, vocals Phil Lesh - electric bass, vocals Ron "PigPen" McKernan - percussion, harmonica, vocals Tom Constanten - keyboards Bill Kreutzmann - drums Mickey Hart - drums |
Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: October 26 2005 at 20:26
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I got terrapin station and it's really great. Very proggy effort. I probably will check out Blues for Allah. -------------  
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: October 27 2005 at 08:24
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Yes, i've just read a good chronicle of "Blues from..."
on Allmusic. It semms that it's completely different from the psychedelic begginings. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: October 27 2005 at 16:16
| My favorite non bootleg live cd of them is dicks picks #22 from 1968, pretty amazing stuff check it out if you dig their earlier period. |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: October 27 2005 at 16:36
| The amount of live recordings of the band scares me off a bit; I really liked 'Live/Dead' and the 'Workingmen's Dead/American Beauty' era. I seem to remember enjoying 'Blues For Allah' as well, but I didn't really like 'Aoxomoxoa' so much, due to that horrible 'What's Become Of The Baby' nonsense on it. |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: October 27 2005 at 18:18
and how is the sound? |