A Review Cap
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Topic: A Review Cap
Posted By: Asyte2c00
Subject: A Review Cap
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 12:56
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I have noticed many of admins want people to review
"unreviewed albums" in the PA. Perhaps, the solution to this
problem is placing a limit on the how many times can be reviewed.
However, I realize it is unfair to impose PA members not to
review a particular album, but do we really 430+ reviews on In the
Court of the Crimson King.
This will force peole to review lesser known albums, moreover,
increase exposure of unpopular bands.
Thoughts?
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Replies:
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 12:58
| What about the people who have a limited collection of prgo (like they have the top 5 albums) and they want to review? What then? Are you suggesting we don't let the newbies review at all? |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 12:59
It could also force people to stop coming to this site since they can't give their input on a great album. |
Asyte2c00 wrote:Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 13:05
Two Points:
They can review these albums, top five prog-defining albums, eslewhere.
It will just create more exposure for lesser known bands, like Triumvirat, T2, Ragnorak, Dirty Three, Yellow Magic Orchestra, David Sylvian, Rare Bird, Quicksand, Gastr Del Sol.
If this precept was in effect, this time next year every artist will have been reviewed on PA.
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Posted By: Firepuck
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 13:06
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Time is the only friend of unreviewed albums, eventually they will be reviewed. You will not be able ot "force people to review lesser known albums", this is a flawed arguement.
To suggest that we limit the number of reviews of an album is folly. ------------- Kryten : "'Pub'? Ah yes, A meeting place where humans attempt to achieve advanced states of mental incompetence by the repeated consumption of fermented vegetable drinks." |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 13:09
And we would have more over reviewed bands and then we couldn't review those any more and have to wait for new prog. Eventually all the bands that no longer play any more will not be able to be reviewed in a few years time. |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 13:09
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430 reviews of that album means 430 people who have reviewed or rated that album. any person has the (one-time) right to review an album he wants. besides that, it can't be anything force or pushed.
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Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 13:12
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I dont want to force people to review albums, I just want to encourage them to review albums.
Theres is a difference.
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 13:15
Maybe if there was an unreviewed button on the main page that would encourage people to review them. Not allowing them to review popular stuff would probably make them go away. |
Posted By: Firepuck
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 13:16
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Ah, but Asyte2c00, you did say force.
Encouragement is a different story, but using the incentive of not allowing reviews of certain albums (based on review counts) will not work. ------------- Kryten : "'Pub'? Ah yes, A meeting place where humans attempt to achieve advanced states of mental incompetence by the repeated consumption of fermented vegetable drinks." |
Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 13:20
^^That is True.
But Thats Not My intent. I just believe for website that has been around for three eyars theres is surprising number of unreviewd albums on ther database.
This is partly due to the constant additions of bands to PA. The Doors, LZ, Iron Maiden, to name a few.
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Perhaps, the better aim is to implement a time threshold onto artists within PA.
For instance, LZ was added in ealry December., I belive. In this case, LZ should have x number of reviews a year following their addition to PA.
This x value will be a number admins deem apprpriate.
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Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 13:21
Yea, i did. perhaps, that was a bit harsh.
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 13:25
That would be too demanding. I do not think people would meet the "requirements" on some bands and go over the top on others. Most of the obscure prog would not have a lot of reviews the first year they are added. |
Posted By: Firepuck
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 13:41
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Even this wouldn't work.
Let's look at Tangerine Dream for a moment. This is a band that has been releasing music for 40+ years now (since 1966). Because of their longevity one might think that this would be a very well reviewed band.
current album count = 125 (WOW!!!)
unreviewed albums = 30
albums with only 1 review = 34
albums with between 2 and 5 reviews = 27
most reviews for one album = 61
(which not suprisingly is very highly rated by most reviewers and currently has a rating of 4.35)
Unreviewed Button?
So if we have a button for the unreviewed albums and someone reviews them the button disappears. Now we have 64 Tangerine Dream albums with 1 review. How is that better than 30 unreviewed and 34 1 review albums?
Or another way to put it;
"OK, I'd like to get some Tangerine Dream, never listened to them before but hey, I like electronic music. Hmmm, should I get 'Phaedra' which has 61 reviews and scores 4.35 or 'Architecture in Motion' which has 1 review but - WOW it's a 5 star review, I should get that one!" ------------- Kryten : "'Pub'? Ah yes, A meeting place where humans attempt to achieve advanced states of mental incompetence by the repeated consumption of fermented vegetable drinks." |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 13:58
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Have you seen this thread?
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=20825 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=20825
It includes a link to a report of all unreviewed albums.
 http://www.progarchives.com/UnreviewedAlbums.asp - http://www.progarchives.com/UnreviewedAlbums.asp
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 13:59
I've seen it a lot. But I rarely find anything I own. |
Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 14:00
Yes, I have.
I realize the purpose of that thread.
It seems futile though. Its indentifying a probelm, in this case unreviewd albums, but not solving a probelm.
The list merely brings an issue to light.
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Posted By: Firepuck
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 14:56
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As I said initially, the only way to solve this problem is to let time do it. You will not be able to do it otherwise.
On second thought however, you may be able to hasten the submission of reviews by continually bringing it up - but I still maintain that 1 review is almost as useless as no reviews. The only exception I can think of is if the reviewer is someone who's opinion you respect. ------------- Kryten : "'Pub'? Ah yes, A meeting place where humans attempt to achieve advanced states of mental incompetence by the repeated consumption of fermented vegetable drinks." |
Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 16:44
Maybe you should check posts on this thread posted in the past 7 days. There's been a lot of activity on first reviews for these albums. The thread serves its purpose of identifying AND solving the issue. No need for more as far as I'm concerned - I'm with Firepuck on this. ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 16:53
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The "First review of this album" notation was another initiative to encourage people to look for unreviewed albums.
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 16:58
It certainly encouraged me to find more obscure prog. |
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 17:07
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I think it should be encouraged to review more neglected albums, but you can't put a cap on it. I would have been very disappointed if I was unable to review "Foxtrot."
------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 17:24
| Is anyone here really surprised that there are so many unreviewed albums? There is a ton of prog, not very many people who love it enough to search out hard to find stuff and buy it unheard (and who can blame them), and new bands being added all the time. Incentives wouldn't put a big dent in the unreviewed list. It's just how it goes when a site has decided to try and catalog every prog artist in the world. The job is a little too big and always growing. It's a wonder more of us aren't going grey. |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 17:25
I look at that list and wonder. And then I go to a store to see if it is there. And I wonder there as well. When I spend my money I will be doing more unreviewed albums. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 17:31
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Excellent...good attitude, I often do the same. But the fact is people will and should buy what they want, not because it's unreviewed. Also, much stuff on the list is not widely available even online or at a good store. |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: January 11 2007 at 04:27
| On a positive note, I think we as a website cover a far wider range of prog albums which have been reviewed than any other site. |
Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: January 11 2007 at 04:43
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^true.. and even though most of them are not reviewed that much, the truth remains that it is a great prog data source... i, myself, have learned a lot more than i even imagined for the prog world as many of you have (i suppose...)
in addition to this, i would recommend to create threads asking opinions about unreviewed releases, or ones that haven't got that many ratings, cause i think that even if an album is rated by eg 2 or 3 guys, i'm sure a lot more would have heard it and would gladly share their opinion.. ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |