Which album do you "rather dislike"?
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Topic: Which album do you "rather dislike"?
Posted By: 1800iareyay
Subject: Which album do you "rather dislike"?
Date Posted: November 29 2006 at 19:30
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Which album do you think is not only bad, it set prog back a few years? This is similar to the "When bands lost it" thread but these albums affected your perception of a band and/or prog in general as opposed to just sucking.
Discipline is one of my favorite KC albums, but some fans view it as a attempt to break through to the mainstream.
Tormato brought an end to Yes' prog domination; though not terrible, it does not measure up to Yes' standards.
Octavarium is the worst album in the DT discography, though its still decent and contains one of their best racks in the stunning title epic.
Presto is where many Rush fans jumped ship for good.
I first heard Genesis through a friend who lent me Seconds Out, Adacab, and And Then There Were Three. While I enjoyed the live albm, I could not stand the studio output. I removed every album except Seconds Out from my iPod and told my friend he was crazy (turns out he had no idea who they were and received the albums from his grandparents in Germany). Finally, I heard Selling England and understood the genius of Genesis. However, I feel the departure of Hackett left a huge void in the band that was filled with lame and uninspired pop songs.
Then, there's Love Beach. I reviewed this album on the main site, where I unleashed my venom on this album (look for 1800iareyay's review if interested). However, once I submitted the review, I discovered that I wanted to say more, which is part of the reason I sarted this poll. Love Beach is wrist-cuttingly bad. The pathetic lyrics, beyond subpar instrumentality, and commercial gloss shook my faith deeply in ELP, and prog since, at the time, ELP was the only prog band I had listened to. Thankfully, Yes swooped in a saved me soon after. After I began to appreciate prog, I thought my then-15 year old brain couldn't grasp the deep levels that surely must have been present on LB. So I listened to it again. About halfway through the seeming epic Officer and a Gentleman, I took out my trusty Boy Scout pocketknife, opened it, and plunged it into my thigh. I did this to distract myself from the pain. Love Beach, IMO, a stain on progressive music and, to me, is to prog as "Glitter" or "Showgirls" is to cinema. Nothing about that album is good, nothing. It will always get my vote not only as the worst album of prog, but my personal choice for the worst album of all time.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 29 2006 at 19:42
Tormato I kinda like... Genesis sucked but those weren't prog albums so.... Haven't heard Presto or Love Beach (the name is absolutely the most atrocious ever for a prog album, though)... Octavarium is very good.... Discilpline is the one... I can't stand it.... REPETITION is not pure genious!! The same rhythm over and over just makes songs boring.... it has no soul.... coldest music I can't remember... It almost completely sucks....were it not for the high level of musicianship, this album wouldn't have any redeeming features ------------- 
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[33.33%]Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 29 2006 at 19:59
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There is no album that I absolutely hate (in prog at least).
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Posted By: Fuzz
Date Posted: November 29 2006 at 20:11
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Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, Howe. Load of crap. |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: November 29 2006 at 20:31
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Where is Counterparts??? Yet, hate is a big word...I would rather say...detest...I detest Counterparts ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: Arrrghus
Date Posted: November 29 2006 at 20:34
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Why do would anyone hate Discipline? It's one of the best albums ever!!! ------------- 
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Posted By: video vertigo
Date Posted: November 29 2006 at 20:47
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Presto is great I don't see it belonging with the others in this group. Although I'm not sure on discipline I haven't heard it. ------------- "The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa |
Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: November 29 2006 at 20:49
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Octavarium > Train of Thought and Falling Into Infinity
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Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: November 29 2006 at 20:50
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TO be honest, I was trying to include an album from more famous prog bands, though I left out Tull and GG because I haven't heard much of them. I personally love Discipline, like Tormato, and think Octavarium is decent, though it still is DT's worst.
By the way el bothy- it think detest is stronger than hate
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Posted By: Soul Dreamer
Date Posted: November 29 2006 at 21:26
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In my opinion Octavarium is one of the better albums of the last decade, it has no place here.
I dislike many of the Genesis albums after "And Then There were Three" but not Duke. But I cannot stand Invisible Touch/We Can't Dance of Genesis so my choice is Other. ------------- To be the one who seeks so I may find .. (Metallica) |
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: November 29 2006 at 22:04
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The only one that gets my absolute derision is Yes "Big Generator." ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: yesfan88
Date Posted: November 29 2006 at 22:24
I would have to agree. Yes was one of the best prog bands ever, but when they started to go downhill, they crashed and burned spectacularly. ------------- "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"- Evelyn Beatrice Hall |
bhikkhu wrote:Posted By: progadicto
Date Posted: November 29 2006 at 22:41
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I disagree with that poll because I think you can't hate albums... maybe you like or not but you can'y hate... hate is an horrible word...
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Posted By: Witchwoodhermit
Date Posted: November 29 2006 at 23:32
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ANYTHING
BY
RUSH
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 30 2006 at 00:22
You took the words right out of my mouth. -------------  |
Posted By: SolariS
Date Posted: November 30 2006 at 00:44
Train of Thought > Octavarium > FII -------------  
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Posted By: martinprog77
Date Posted: November 30 2006 at 01:53
 this is a really good album ------------- Nothing can last there are no second chances. Never give a day away. Always live for today. |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: November 30 2006 at 03:26
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Mike Oldfields - Earth Moving ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: R o V e R
Date Posted: November 30 2006 at 03:32
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Posted By: Mategra
Date Posted: November 30 2006 at 04:02
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Discipline - Not bad at all.
Tormato - Not bad! Yes' most underrated release.
Love Beach - Never heard. Except for their debut album, ELP have never been really interesting, imo.
Octavarium & Presto - Never heard, I will probably never bother with DT and Rush.
ATTWT or any post Hackett album - Definitely not bad!
Other albums:
Although I don't absolutely hate them, the worst albums I have bought are:
Amon Düül (I) - Disaster (Double LP with amateurish, uninspired jams. Sounds like a bunch of people who can't play on their instruments.)
IQ - The Seventh House (One of the reasons why I avoid neo-prog nowadays. This album is very hard to enjoy with its lengthy, ill-structured songs, annoying vocals, tacky drumming, cheesy synths and even cheesier saxophone.)
Asia - Astra (Much worse that their first and second albums.)
Karnataka - Delicate Flame of Desire (Completely unmemorable and bland.)
GTR - GTR (Not even Hackett nor Howe can rescue this failed project.)
Yes - Big Generator (Trevor Rabin turns Yes into something that they shouldn't be.)
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: November 30 2006 at 04:20
| Hating things isn't good. |
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: November 30 2006 at 08:54
| Love beach, followed by Octavarium |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: November 30 2006 at 09:02
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There's no albums I absolutely hate in prog, of what I've heard. ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: cmidkiff
Date Posted: November 30 2006 at 10:20
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Russian Roulette by TRIUMVIRAT
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Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: November 30 2006 at 10:22
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i like Presto a lot actually... 
you hurt me ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: November 30 2006 at 10:28
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Hate is not relevant feeling when talking about music or any other art IMO.
It eludes me how can anyone develop Hate (extremely strong feeling) towards any album. Are you being forced to listen to it during long time non-stop or what?
If I actively dislike any album I get rid of it and do not return to it anymore, so I do not have enough time to breed Hate towards it.
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Posted By: akin
Date Posted: November 30 2006 at 10:47
| From these ones I don´t like Presto and I find it irritating |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 30 2006 at 11:13
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I usually don't "hate" albums. I might hate having to listen to them, but not the albums or musicians.
------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Posted By: TerLJack
Date Posted: November 30 2006 at 11:19
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These comments almost (almost) make me want to go out and find this album to listen to. The kind of "accident on the side of the road" thing. So awful, but you have to look.
>>Then, there's Love Beach. I reviewed this album on the main site, where I unleashed my venom on this album (look for 1800iareyay's review if interested). However, once I submitted the review, I discovered that I wanted to say more, which is part of the reason I sarted this poll. Love Beach is wrist-cuttingly bad. The pathetic lyrics, beyond subpar instrumentality, and commercial gloss shook my faith deeply in ELP, and prog since, at the time, ELP was the only prog band I had listened to. Thankfully, Yes swooped in a saved me soon after. After I began to appreciate prog, I thought my then-15 year old brain couldn't grasp the deep levels that surely must have been present on LB. So I listened to it again. About halfway through the seeming epic Officer and a Gentleman, I took out my trusty Boy Scout pocketknife, opened it, and plunged it into my thigh. I did this to distract myself from the pain. Love Beach, IMO, a stain on progressive music and, to me, is to prog as "Glitter" or "Showgirls" is to cinema. Nothing about that album is good, nothing. It will always get my vote not only as the worst album of prog, but my personal choice for the worst album of all time.<<
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Posted By: Heptade
Date Posted: November 30 2006 at 11:36
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Adrian Belew's voice bugs me. ------------- The world keeps spinning, people keep sinning And all the rest is just bullsh*t -Steve Kilbey |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: November 30 2006 at 14:43
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Well though I'm not a massive fan of 80s Crimson (haven't heard it in years though), that shouldn't belong here. The same goes for ATTWT. These eras are not bad- I love ATTWT and to an extent Duke- especially when compared to the other rubbish here.
On a purely hype basis alone, it has to be Octavarium. I simply could not believe when I heard it that this AOR album (with the exception of the title track) was being called one of the greatest albums ever made. It's not. If you bought the others expecting something good, I'd have read a few reviews first. They are as abominable as their reputation suggests. |
Posted By: peter_gabriel
Date Posted: November 30 2006 at 14:57
| I HATE DREAM THEATER AND ANYTHING RELATED TO IT |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: November 30 2006 at 15:07
| There was once an album I hated so much I forced its title out of my consciousness. |
Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: November 30 2006 at 15:11
Congradulations. So I take it that you hate Transatlantic as well. ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 30 2006 at 15:12
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Ive still never heard Love Beach. Doesn't like I'm missing much.
I cant say I really hate any of the albums listed` - that 've heard - but I have an intense dislike for Invisible Touch; more for what it represents than the music itself. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: peter_gabriel
Date Posted: November 30 2006 at 15:14
I dont know what transatlantic is... but if its metal, and something like dream theater, yeah i hate it...  |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: November 30 2006 at 15:17
Transatlantic can't be metal, because it would sink
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: November 30 2006 at 15:18
| Nope, Transatlantic has no relation to Dream Theater in terms of sound. I wouldn't like their album anywhere near as much. |
Posted By: Jeremy Bender
Date Posted: November 30 2006 at 15:46
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Toilet Seat - ELP From that list: Love Beach
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 30 2006 at 16:05
what?????????!!!!!!!!
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Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: November 30 2006 at 18:20
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Changed the subject title- apparently the word hate is harmful.
Yes' Big Generator seems to be getting a lot of choices, but I've never heard it so I didn't include it.
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Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: November 30 2006 at 20:40
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When I listen to post Hackett Genesis it makes me angry so does Camel's Snowgoose, but I voted other because I'm sure there are worse bands on the archives. ------------- |
Posted By: MattiR
Date Posted: December 01 2006 at 11:23
Dream Theater "Octavarium"
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: December 01 2006 at 11:32
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I just couldn't believe how poor yes 'Open Your Eyes' was when I heard it... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: MadcapLaughs84
Date Posted: December 02 2006 at 18:48
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Post Hackett Albums, any of them. ------------- 
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: March 21 2008 at 12:46
| Where's Yes Union!? |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 21 2008 at 13:38
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I wish that Magma's Merci was listed. Not that that poor album put prog back a few years, but it would be twenty years until Magma released another great, or indeed any studio album. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: febus
Date Posted: March 21 2008 at 14:01
Not all is bad on UNION, for sure not all is great either!!
 ....but that's more than a one star album at least for me......and the cover is great! |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 21 2008 at 14:23
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However poor Union is, I would disagree with that album as Yes' listed choice. Note that only one album of each of these bands was listed, but an other "option" is available. To quote part of the initial post:
I don't think that Tormato is Yes' worst album, but that 1978 album was, I think, a clear beginning of the end for Yes in terms of "prog dominance." Actually Drama, the following album wasn't bad, as I recall, and subsequnet albums were worse than Tormato. Union didn't come out until 1991, and I don't think Yes came out with one strong prog album throughout the 80's. Mind you, i haven't bothered listening to any post classic Yes albums (for me the classic years were pre-Tormato) in years. I'd much rather discover to and listen to albums that are held in high-esteem by the prog community as I only have so much funds and time. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: March 21 2008 at 14:35
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King Crimson - Discipline: Boring, but not offensively bad Yes - Tomato: One great song, but the rest were pretty bad ELP - Love Beach: Never heard it (good thing?) Dream Theater - Octavarium: Boring and offensively bad! Rush - Presto: Don't remember what this was like Genesis - ATTWT/Post-Hackett stuff: Not prog, so I don't count it ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: March 21 2008 at 14:46
This. =) It's not my time or money, but it does irk me when people on a prog forum can recall the track names from Big Generator and mount a defence of "Roll the Bones" but haven't yet tried much stronger and well-supported albums with much better reviews. Poor priorities, I say =) Still, this comes from someone who five-starred ConstruKction of Light ;P ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 21 2008 at 14:49
It's one of the most notorious albums in progdom, and arguably the biggest fall from grace (arguable that ELP had grace to begin with  ).I'd day that it's worth hearing for its sheer badness, and worth hearing so that one can join in on prog discussions about how horrible it is (I actually don't consider it all bad). It may not be worth hearing, depending on why one would want to hear it, but it's definitely worth seeing for it's embarrassing album cover.  It's not an album I'd recommend generally, and almost certainly not to an avant garde head.. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 21 2008 at 15:17
And there I responded to someone that they may wish to check out Love Beach to see what all the fuss is about. ;) Yes, I can understand that uberfans of certain bands will want to check out all those albums by their favourite bands that are considered poor. I'm generally not such a completist. Merci is poor, did I want it, yes! I don't have KC's ConstruKtion, but have hard a little and liked it. Poppish music doesn't bother me at all, and I take it that KC's album is much more than that. Great review by you... I don't automatically dismiss music because it's generally held in low-regard (and some reviewers and raters have much closer tastes to mine so I'd rather rely on their opinions even though they may be in the minority), but yes, I totally agree with your points. I wish more people would dig deeper, and re-prioritise what they choose to get, but also as a corollary, what they choose to discuss (that tends to follow). There are so many bands and so many albums out there just waiting to be discovered and discussed. Incidentally, I've discovered a great many excellent ones though polls here (if I see names I don't know, I check out myspace, the band's website, and PA's streaming tracks looking for samples -- I guess I do make time for that, often). ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: March 21 2008 at 16:18
Well, some fans are PRETTY STUPID!!!  ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?"
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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: March 21 2008 at 18:15
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I also am of the opinion that there is little to dislike (or gulp! HATE! such a big bad word! ) That being said Open Your Eyes is YES, a little bit revolting but the title sort of implies that its ..... gulp.... difficult. OK OK Its Bad Gianni Nocenzi of Banco fame had a stinker called Empusa as well as Vince Tempera of Il Volo had one called Temperix. I have both and they are silent . Sono SPORCO! ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: March 21 2008 at 18:30
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I'd rather not dislike albums, but unfortunatly occasionaly an album makes it to my stereo that I dislike.
Most notably Yes (Bad Generator, Onion and Close Your Ears)
but generally I only dislike albums from which I love the artist, else I'm not interested in disliking it. ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: March 21 2008 at 19:02
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Why the negativity? Why the hate? The only album that I've heard that deserves this kind of bashing is and then there were three. Dont be fooled though, I semi like all the other post hackett Genesis albums until Invisible touch. ------------- 
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Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: March 21 2008 at 19:22
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Put in a vote for Alpha - Asia Pretty lame album after the awesome debut, and Wetton's lyrics went from poor/mixed to utterly Kinder Downfall. Edit: Oops, didn't read the first post. My bad. Not really sure what I'd go for. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 21 2008 at 19:30
yeah, that was a mess Big Generator's not so bad, ATTWT is a very good album as is Tormato, and Discipline is a one of a kind masterpiece.. so I'd have to say Presto |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: March 21 2008 at 20:52
I wish for that too. =) The differences in musical experience on the forum are so evident that I've noticed an unbridgeable divide between staunch fans of old music and of the new - often, posters from each clan post in an alternating fashion; It's not disdain but something even more worrying - complete and utter lack of acknowledgement. We should really organize a prog "exchange program" where we get post-rock heads into Gnidrolog and vice-versa... o:) ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: cookieacquired
Date Posted: March 21 2008 at 21:06
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I rather dislike that music known as yes sometimes other times i like them ------------- 
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Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: March 21 2008 at 21:19
| Ugh, my shameful first thread got resurrected? Damn. |
Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: March 22 2008 at 05:39
| It's so hard for me not to vote against Tormato, but since the Genesis options include Invisible Touch..... |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 22 2008 at 07:17
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I've not had the pleasure of hearing 'Love Beach'yet, and I cant say I'm in a hurry to explore it, even out of morbid curiosity.
I dont really dislike anything on the list. I guess 'Tormato' and 'Octavarium' are a little weak, certainly the former fell far short of what I expected by Yes at the time. It would be too easy to lay into 'Invisible Touch' (yet again) so instead I'll say 'Something wicked this way comes' by The Enid. That album does my head in. I'm quite a fan of the band, but I've never been able to get into this one. |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: March 22 2008 at 07:20
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Yes: Open Your Eyes.....
...has to be just about the worst album known to man..... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: March 22 2008 at 08:46
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I like the KC, Yes and Genesis albums that are mentioned, although I wish Genesis was more progressive after 1982. I haven't heard the other albums that are being mentioned. |
Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: March 22 2008 at 14:02
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How can you put Discipline on the list? , that was like a breeze of fresh air for prog ,a groundbreaking album.
I have to say that I rather dislike Rush albums from Power Windows up to now, They dont suck but they are long and repetitive.
Also Porcupine tree records from Lightbulb sun to now, when they started to sound heavy
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: March 22 2008 at 14:56
| Love Beach is the worst of the worst. |