Radiohead prog or not prog?
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Topic: Radiohead prog or not prog?
Posted By: Nathanson
Subject: Radiohead prog or not prog?
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 04:42
| I know some of you are thinking why Radiohead? For me, I love radiohead big time, but some of them consider them progressive rock (Now there's nothing wrong with Prog Rock, I admire Prog Rock big time, don't get me wrong with that). I don't cosider Radiohead Prog, because they don't do 23-minute pieces like ELP and King Crimson do, But Radiohead carry the Alternative side. I'm not bashing Prog, or anything like that. What I'm saying is Radiohead is not Progressive Rock. I consider them the new Pink Floyd big time. Do you think Radiohead is prog or non-prog? |
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 05:04
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Radiohead are not Prog Rock, that much is obvious. But they're progressive - and on this website *some* bands are listed as prog which are not exactly conforming to the prog "blueprint" (Yes, Genesis, KC, VdGG, GG, etc) but are rooted in the genre of Rock and show definite signs of progression. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Posted By: gr8dane
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 21:00
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 21:12
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I don't like the band, so that's off my chest.
But they are progressive, sorry for all the nay sayers, but Hail To The Thief, Kid A and to a lesser extend OK Computer are progressive rock albums, not very good at it, but still it encompasses most of the definition trade marks that a rock band needs to have to be considered prog-rock.
wish it wasn't so, for I really think they are more boring than Coldplay, so I could live happily ever after wtihout those dudes on the site, but their adition was just, and I will have to live with them at this site, and even defend their place, for that's what this genre is, open to all that wants to hear it. ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 21:17
Yes, listen to Kid A and Amnesiac and tell me they're not Prog and excellent at that.New Pink Floyd? PF are one fo the greatest prog bands. Gentle Giant never did epics either, so they're not prog now? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: andu
Date Posted: November 18 2006 at 08:35
now that's quite a contradictory statement. you DO know Pink Floyd is one of the prog major bands, DO YOU? or do you not agree on that, were Pink Floyd Alternative? 
true is that because of being considered "Alternative", bands like Radiohead, Muse and others get much more sympathy from the critics and the press and much more airplay on the mainstream TV & radio, at least here in Europe, and none of these refer to them as "progressive". interesting. ------------- "PA's own GI Joe!" 
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Nathanson wrote:Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: November 18 2006 at 08:41
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In before the constructive "Radiohead isn't Prog / It is! / No, it isn't! / Is! / Not!" argument, part 121. ------------- sig |
Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: November 20 2006 at 16:57
They sound nothing like Pink Floyd...
PF is one of my favorites, Radiohead one of my least favorites...
EDIT: Oh, and, despite that, they ARE prog.
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Posted By: An old fart
Date Posted: November 20 2006 at 22:54
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The only song that comes to mind from Radiohead that I would be willing to categorize as prog rock is Paranoid Android. In what genre box to stuff Radiohead then? Difficult to say, but bands like Radiohead, Muse and Tool and such are not exactly prog in my opinion. Rather something like art rock or experimental rock (for the lack of a better word now), but those labels aren't precise either.
Correct me if I am wrong, but hasn't Yorke mentioned sometime, circa Ok Computer, that he hates prog rock and doesn't want people to associate Radiohead with it. On the other hand I think I read a long time ago that Marillion used to a big influence on Radiohead, so I don't know what to believe. ------------- "Make tea, not love" |
Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 14:46
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Let's get this straight Bends - Not ProgOK Computer - Prog related
Kid A - HTTT - Prog (but rather unlike pink floyd)
All of their albums - excellent!  -------------  <font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: November 23 2006 at 03:50
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Radiohead are Prog Rock - that much is obvious.
They play Rock music that is progressive - especially in terms of harmony and rhythm, but also in terms of form - which is the single most important aspect of defining Prog Rock. On later albums, like Kid A and Amnesiac, they took on a more progressive approach to instrumentation and especially form. The early comparisons to Pink Floyd (an almost undisputed Prog Rock band) are valid - but there are also obvious comparisons to Barclay James Harvest on OK Computer, and to Can on Kid A and Amnesiac. The fact that they don't do 23-minute extravaganzas is neither here nor there - length is not important - form is. That and the fact that Thom Yorke is probably the single most influential voice in Progdom, whether people like it or not, makes Radiohead a Prog band, whether Thom Yorke likes it or not. Bad luck, Thom - you're in, and you did it to yourself! ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: Eat_Paris
Date Posted: November 26 2006 at 09:44
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prog is not how long is your song... yet.. IMO.. Radiohead is not Prog.. more like Alternative+Psychedelia (thats it.. not much complexity in their music to me) Muse does progress a bit (again a bit...) also not Prog to me... but Tool is Prog (not v technical.. only slightly.. but enough).. all in all.. Radiohead is more like Psychedelia-Related to me.. ------------- "love prog .. simply because its beautiful" .. and lindsay lohan =P~ |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 26 2006 at 10:19
^^ ok, so Radiohead are like Yes and Genesis. I'm quite sure that if you asked Radiohead whether they would call their music "progressive" or "Prog Rock", they would not choose "Prog Rock". It's implying a certain style, reminiscing the bands which defined the genre in the 70s, as diverse as they might have been. Spock's Beard are Prog Rock, The Flower Kings are Prog Rock ... but not Radiohead. They're the most "Un Prog Rock" modern band in the archives, yet they might be much more progressive than Spock's Beard or The Flower Kings. In my humble opinion, as always.  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: November 26 2006 at 11:31
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I know what you mean, Mike. Those bands like Spock's Beard would call themselves prog rock (semantics aside over whether it actually is or not), while Radiohead certainly would not.
I'd never considered 'OK Computer' to have any similarity to BJH though, and I have no idea who Thom Yorke has influenced in prog. Unless you mean his voice having influence on other genres, which is indeed fairly obvious. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: November 26 2006 at 11:47
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I never believed Radiohead is Prog or even related wth Pink Floyd (They were called the new Pink Floyd by certain press but Coldplay also so I don't believe in that press), but they are here to stay, so what's the problem.
IMO the only problem is the sub-genre, they should be in Prog Related.
BTW: The lenght of the songs is just one of many GENERAL characteristics of Prog but lenght alone is not determinant to categorize a band.
Iván
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 26 2006 at 11:47
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"Prog Rock" is a genre, "progressive" is an attribute. Of course everybody is free to define for themselves that "Prog Rock" is just short for "progressive Rock", but it's simply not commonly used that way. In the late 60s/early 70s there was the prog movement, and those bands define "Prog Rock". Now why should be apply a label which was defined for bands like Yes and Gensis to Radiohead, who make a totally different type of music? Sure, they're using the same notes, forms and scales as the basis for their experimentations, but it's a totally different style. To say "it's all just Prog Rock" is not very meaningful, nor does it help any newbie. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: unicorn coffee
Date Posted: November 26 2006 at 11:54
All I can say is that Radiohead have released some of the greatest albums ever; I cannot decide if they are Prog or not. 
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: November 26 2006 at 15:22
| Ah, how comfroting it is to know that even in these times of turmoil one can always rely on the re-emergence of the "Is Radiohead prog?" issue. |
Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: November 26 2006 at 21:30
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I think KidA is most definately prog, and Ok Computer prog-related. I think Art Rock genre is the best place for them. ------------- |