CTTE vs. Gates of Delirium
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Topic: CTTE vs. Gates of Delirium
Posted By: Sweetnighter
Subject: CTTE vs. Gates of Delirium
Date Posted: January 18 2005 at 23:54
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I love them both so much, amazing prog epics. I think I partially made
this poll because I can't decide which I like better... "I get up I get
down" is classic, and so is "Soon" at the end of Gates, and both epics
bristile with so much energy in the first seven or eight minutes... So will it be the classic or its less popularized successor? I'm not including TFTO on here because thats for an entirely different discussion. ------------- I bleed coffee. When I don't drink coffee, my veins run dry, and I shrivel up and die. "Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso? Is that like the bank of Italian soccer death or something?" -my girlfriend |
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Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: January 18 2005 at 23:57
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Let's see... CTTE is boring and pretentious. Gates of Delirium is powerful and inspiring. Gee, I wonder which I'm going for? |
Posted By: Sweetnighter
Date Posted: January 18 2005 at 23:59
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I never liked the random two-minute church organ solo in CTTE myself... but Gates drags on for a little too long in the 8-14 minute range on pretty much the same thing... its very dense and does get a little hard on the ears after all that time, for me anyway. Oh man, but the intro to CTTE with the synth nature effects is fantastic... first prog i ever heard so it strikes a chord deep in me still. ------------- I bleed coffee. When I don't drink coffee, my veins run dry, and I shrivel up and die. "Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso? Is that like the bank of Italian soccer death or something?" -my girlfriend |
Posted By: starofsirius
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 00:01
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Thats tough. Hmmm, Close to the Edge is a very awesome track, but I lose interest at the "I get up, I get down" section. Gates of Delerium, man that song just flat out rocks, I'm not a big fan of the soon section though :-/. So each song has its strengths and weaknesses. But all in all I'll go with "Gates of Delerium" cause its got the pedal steel guitar and you can't beat that. ------------- "I'm in a freefall like a snowflake falling down down down down down." |
Posted By: Emperor
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 01:19
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I'm for BILL GATES OF DELIRIUM! :-) The part named SOON is my favorite musical piece ever!!!! (not only by Yes). I don't know any other track where Anderson, Howe and Squire performed so brilliant! ------------- I Prophesy Disaster... |
Posted By: Emperor
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 01:21
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Oh, this is my favorite part in CTTE! ;-) BTW, my second favorite track by Yes... ------------- I Prophesy Disaster... |
Sweetnighter wrote:Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 01:36
Gates  ------------- Billy Connolly Dream Theater Terry Gilliam Hagen Quartet Jethro Tull Mike Keneally |
Posted By: BebieM
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 02:55
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I bought Relayer last week, and i love Gates of Delirium sooooo much, its like one of my top5 songs of all bands, the most beautiful one anyways... I think it's kinda funny though, i just read through the CTTE reviews and 50% said the title song would be perfect |
and now it gets raped by GOD (isnt that a nice shortcut?) so badly ...Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 03:01
| Close To The Edge for me..love every single minute of it. Gates of Delirium is unique as well.Both great peices. |
Posted By: Rob The Good
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 03:10
Well it IS a tough call because they're both fantastic. But Gates of Delirium gets my vote simply because I find it a much more captivating listen, but tastes change! I have to say that I love the Soon section of the song: probably one of the best ballad-ish songs Yes ever did!  ------------- And Jesus said unto John, "come forth and receive eternal life..." Unfortunately, John came fifth and was stuck with a toaster. |
Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 04:41
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I think 'CTTE' is more accessable as a Yes epic but of late I find myself more drawn to 'Gates', especially the live version on the Yesshows album. The Relayer line-up of yes is HUGELY underrated.
------------- I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision. - Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill |
Posted By: nacho
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 05:40
| If I can't vote for AWAKEN, then it has to be CTTE. Not that Gates is bad, but sometimes I've suffered the ocasional yawn before the Soon part starts... |
Posted By: Jethro Fish
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 06:33
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CLOSE TO THE EDGE!!!
------------- All the best, Per www.salvaband.com New cd: Salva "Left to burn", out now Available through: www.caerllysimusic.co.uk www.progressrec.com www.justforkicks.de www.salvaband.com |
Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 06:54
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Awaken would have been my second choice. ------------- I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision. - Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill |
Posted By: Swinton MCR
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 07:31
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I'll opt for GOD because as a whole it's got more going on in terms of Guitar/Synth , and the victory fanfare at the end of the battle section is a superb bit of synth/Guitar/Bass virtuosity ! ------------- Play me my song, here it comes again |
Posted By: Nightmare
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 08:27
| I personally prefer Close to the Edge. Wakeman's solo is amazing, and this song is from the first YES album that i bought, so it has extra sentimental value. I love Gates too though, especially the version on the Symphonic DVD with the orchestra. Its such a shame that Wakeman doesn't play this song! |
Posted By: the musical box
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 08:42
 Tough...my two fave Yes songs. In the end, for me, Close to the Edge edges out Gates. I love the dark, violent, and urgent sound of Gates, but the mystique and beauty of CTTE gets me every time: How the intro starts, the amazing guitar, the eratic singing, the grandness in Wakeman's playing, the balance of Bruford and Squier: ALL PERFECTION. Although Gates is an amazing song, i feel the " i get up, i get Down" section of CTTE is far more powerfull than the "soon" section. Also, for me this is Wakeman at his best: first we get the amazing atmospheric keyboard in the intro, then; the moving church organ solo, followed by the synth solo (with Steve Howe on "wah") and we're not finished yet: another amazing keyboard showcase follows. The greatest Yes song.------------- something pretentious |
Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 08:59
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I will say something very impertinent: to me, and to me only, Yes without Wakeman is like analcoholic beer: might have the flavour, but it's not the real stuff . ------------- Please forgive me for my crappy english! |
Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 09:41
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Wakeman is a great traditional soloist, but Moraz
with his experience with the swiss ballet can do anything. Dont fool yourself when Jon and Vangelis couldnt get it right that was a blessing. Patrick is much more talented here setting soundscapes and atmospheres, something Rick failed at terribly on TFTO. This is as good as they got! the Return of the Phantom of the Opera Gates! |
Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 09:53
------------- Please forgive me for my crappy english! |
Posted By: bobthesalesman
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 10:27
| CTTE by far. The Yessongs version is my favorite Yes song. |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 10:32
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Gates is perfect. ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 14:34
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Good poll SN, two worthy adversaries! "Close to the edge" for me, I feel it is the perfect prog track. I agree with Bob-the-rep that the Yessongs version is the finest, proably because it's the one I got to know the song by. "Gates of delerium" is of course excellent, and would beat pretty much any other track. |
Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 14:45
I vote for Gates. I agree with the person who talked about Moraz's atmospheres. BTW who turned Setve Howe into a troll in this picture? ------------- 
"What are you going to do when that damn thing rusts?" |
Posted By: joniox
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 15:19
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Must be two best albums from Yes. I've had Relayer longer but/and CTTE has
fresh factor to me. CTTE got me right away when Relayer took few
listens. I say CTTE. Same goes with those epics too. They go quite much hand-in-hand with albums.  ------------- I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat... |
Posted By: Sweetnighter
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 16:12
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I can never keep track of who's drumming for Yes... Bruford was on CTTE, but who was on Relayer? I agree with the comment on the fresness of CTTE, it really is a fresh album. Ach, I can't decide! I really like Moraz's playing better on Gates. ------------- I bleed coffee. When I don't drink coffee, my veins run dry, and I shrivel up and die. "Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso? Is that like the bank of Italian soccer death or something?" -my girlfriend |
Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 16:20
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Alan White. ------------- Please forgive me for my crappy english! |
Posted By: penguindf12
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 17:40
| Both of them are awesome, and I can play both on bass, (okay, so maybe not the jam section of Gates...but the "pre-war" song bit ("bit" being 8 minutes long)). |
Posted By: Fragile
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 19:13
| Close to the Edge is the finest piece of prog written and Gates is not too far behind.But what a choice to make I love them both and am glad it is only between these two. |
Posted By: Abbath
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 21:21
| Gates is no doubt a prog classic, but to dismiss Close to the Edge is to dismiss one of the paramount songs of the past 50 years. Yes has never been as "Yes" as they were on CTTE. It sounds stupid as hell to say stuff like that, but there's no other way I can describe it ;) . |
Posted By: Sweetnighter
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 21:51
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Although I do love Gates, I think I'm going to have to play it safe and
vote CTTE. As so many others have said, its my first, its a part of
me.
------------- I bleed coffee. When I don't drink coffee, my veins run dry, and I shrivel up and die. "Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso? Is that like the bank of Italian soccer death or something?" -my girlfriend |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 21:57
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You can't say much more about it, but CTTE is just more beautiful to me. Since I'm also one of the few who get Jon Anderson's lyrics... I found the meaning lyrically behind this more satisfying and definitely more poignant. Gates is a fantastic piece, but it just doesn't match CTTE in passion. ------------- THIS IS ELP 
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Posted By: bobthesalesman
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 23:51
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CTTE made a nice comeback |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 07:38
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Gates Of Delirium, such dynamic power .Gets my vote ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Rick4001
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 08:18
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This is a pretty hard comparison to make. Keep in mind that between the two albums at least 2 years had passed, where the band went through a very tough time. ie from top of the world with CTTE; then Bruford leaves - in comes White; the harsh criticism of TFTO; Wakeman's departure etc, replaced by Moraz etc - one big roller coaster ride. In CTTE Yes probably reached their first summit. The sound engineering / production and arrangement are faultless.It also has a more serene vibe. I can't say the same for Relayer, the whole album sounds tormented and cold at times but then again it's much more exciting. In terms of sheer dynamics I'd go for Gates. Mind you "To be over" is the really brilliant track on that album that IMO captures the true spirit of Yes. ------------- "...seems Helen of Troy has found a new face, again ..." |
Posted By: terramystic
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 08:36
What a tough decision! It's driving me close to delirium...  |
Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 09:00
| I'm going to have to go with Gates of Delirium. Perhaps because it was the one I heard first and I just like it more, or the fact it just has more energy. CTTE is absoutely amazing, but Gates of Delirium is just better. |
Posted By: Yams
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 09:56
| CTTE. A richer track in sound and lyric than Gates. |
Posted By: The-Bullet
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 10:08
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Like having to choose between oxygen and water. But my vote goes to CTTE.The way it all seems to come together at the end - "seasons will pass you by" is something that no other piece of music I have heard achieves. If there is a more amazing piece of music out there than CTTE, I can't wait 'till I hear it ------------- 
"Why say it cannot be done.....they'd be better doing pop songs?" |
Posted By: gleam
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 10:33
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I've been a Yes fan since hearing them for the first time in '72 and CTTE gets my vote over Gates. Although both are great albums, CTTE shows the pinnacle of their evolution as a band. The classic line up (Anderson, Bruford, Howe, Wakeman & White) were in top form and it shows in the range of dynamics on that album. Gates is exciting too, but I don't sense the group grew on that one. Instead they were going through the motions by recreating earlier successes.
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 12:06
| Close to the Edge doesn't even come close to the Gates of Delerium for me. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 12:40
I just cannot agree that they were just going through the motions, the song is full of excitement, its like a new adventure! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: bluetailfly
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 13:28
What he said...but I don't believe they were simply "going through the motions" when composing "Gates". I think they were evolving kind of fitfully at this point, trying to discover a new way to make Yes music, and listening to Relayer you can hear them trying to move into new territory. ------------- "The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle." |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 13:55
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Gates of Delerium is their best song, but in it's entirety I prefer CTTE over Relayer, mostly because of the second side of the album. Both are very very good ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 14:01
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Gates of delerium is an arse kicking song, better than CTTE ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Ben2112
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 15:24
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"Close To The Edge". I just don't see what everyone sees in GOD. It's good and all, but in no way would I put it on the same level as CTTE. Oh well, personal tastes...and all that. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 03 2005 at 13:23
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Well done goose...a true believer. Couldn't have put it better myself ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: eduardossc
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 09:23
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Yes´ prog-pop vs Yes´cacophonic-Prog? Definitely Prog-pop. Way more enjoyable |
Posted By: Cygnus
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 10:56
| Gates is a bit better for me. But only a bit. BoTh are masterpieces and along with Heart of the Sunrise are my favorite 3. |
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 11:13
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They are both great, but I have to go for Close to the Edge. I think a lot of people on this site appreciate Relayer and in particular "Gates" for what it is - a great piece of music - but generally it isunder-valued. I read interviews where Steve Howe said it (Relayer) was under-rated and I think Alan White said if pushed, he would pick it as his best Yes work. I'd agree - he forms a thunderous rhythm section with Squire, after a ponderous start with Yes on "Tales". |
Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 12:56
Couldn't have said it better yourself? The guy merely said he likes GoD better than CttE, for Christ sake |
Posted By: Pablo_P
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 13:17
The GoD ------------- Pablo P. |
Posted By: Pr@gmatic
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 15:00
No "GoD" for me.   I'll go with: CTTE |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 15:45
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Hey, this one I truly cannot decide myself! I love 'em both too much!
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Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 15:58
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I usually find them to be pretty even. I voted for Gates of Delirium though. I
think it takes the edge by just a little bit. ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 17:02
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They are equally as good, can't really decide! ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: Dragon Phoenix
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 17:06
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Close to the edge, by an inch. ------------- Blog this: http://artrock2006.blogspot.com |
Posted By: Signifier
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 17:30
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Gates of Delirium... From the first sound of Anderson's voice, that
song has you. The best singing he's ever done. And Soon is immensely
inspiring. ------------- "Immortal God! What a world I see dawning! Why cannot I grow young again?" - Erasmus |
Posted By: MustShaveBeard
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 21:16
WHAT!?!?!?!?! Relayer is the ONLY album Yes progressed their sound on. What other dark Yes song is there? Gates of Delirium beats CTTE by a very, very, very, very, VERY long stick for me. (I'm talking about REEEEEEEEEEEAAAALLY long) ------------- Your life or your lupins!!! |
etc.Posted By: Rockin' Chair
Date Posted: October 15 2005 at 16:49
| I really can't choose. Those are my favourite Yes songs. |
Posted By: gok22us
Date Posted: October 15 2005 at 17:28
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Close to the Edge, is the track that truly defines Yes. However..... The Gates of Delirium is a track that showed Yes actually supporting a cause, a theme (the war sucks thing, yeah) and personally, i think they play much more emotionally on this track. I listen to Close to the Edge a lot more, and I really enjoy it. It's a wonderous listen that makes me feel like i'm flying on a magic carpet over the himalayas. But the gates of delirium, has more meaning. The way it starts, you can visualize armies marching towards each other, and firing warning shots, and then the battle section! and then the beautiful Soon section, the aftermath of the war......wow. It's a really tough decision, but even though i listen to CTTE more, Gates of Delirium is a more powerful piece. |
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: October 15 2005 at 17:36
That's a point well made. "Gates" is a track that both lyrically and musically tells an epic tale. Close to the Edge is a great peice of music but any meaning is well-hidden. Nonetheless I still voted for CTTE.... |
Posted By: Ty1020
Date Posted: October 15 2005 at 17:44
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They're two of my favourite songs of all time, but my vote goes to Gates of Delirium.
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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: October 15 2005 at 18:21
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close to the edge - always ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: Olympus
Date Posted: October 15 2005 at 19:02
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Close to the edge I like more becasue the two songs other than the epics are better on CTTE ------------- "Let's get the hell away from this Eerie-ass piece of work so we can get on with the rest of our eerie-ass day" |
Posted By: Ty1020
Date Posted: October 15 2005 at 19:11
We're talking about the songs, not the albums (Gates of Delirium isn't an album). ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Ty1020/">
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Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 14:07
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CTTE!!!!! ------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 15:30
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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 17:03
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Gates of Delirium is the one I listen to most often (I have it on a CD with Plague of Lighthousekeepers and Eruption) - the interplay between the musicians is stunning and the lyrics are the best on any of the classic era Yes albums. CTTE is a better composition in strict formal terms, the vocal harmonies on 'I Get Up I Get Down' are among the best in symphonic prog and it works brilliantly live, but Gates has the edge for me. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: krauthead
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 17:41
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G.O.D. ------------- *Dancing madly backwards on a sea of air* - Captain Beyond |
Posted By: hcnoer
Date Posted: November 05 2005 at 05:22
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Gates ------------- " Jon Anderson is the only man I know who tries to save this planet while living on another" - Rick Wakeman |
Posted By: ZowieZiggy
Date Posted: November 05 2005 at 06:01
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I do not want to enter into the discussion of Wakeman vs Moraz. Both were excellent. Wakeman lasted longer with Yes (I even see the BIF FIVES a few years ago live in Brussuels) and produced a (too) huge discography in his solo carreer (but at least half of it is crap). So, I prefer Close to the Edge which is, to me, more accessible and melodious than Gates of Delirium (even if I like very much the "soon" moments. Both are of course great songs. ------------- ZowieZiggy |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: November 05 2005 at 06:54
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The Gates, and now that I voted, it's 67 vs. 67 votes! The Gates is more "alive". CTTE is well structured, but Gates is more errr... "happening". |
Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: November 05 2005 at 07:06
| The Gates of Delirium. Very hard choice tough. |
Posted By: Saviorts
Date Posted: November 05 2005 at 08:17
I completely agree with this. Relayer sounds like the band is working closer together and sharing a lot more than on Close to the Edge, which is also great, but not as memorable or inspiring as Gates or any other parts of Relayer. Yes all ready proved they were really smart with Fragile. They did it again with Close to the Edge. Than they realized (all but Wakeman I guess...) that they didn't have to act as smart and made TFTO. Relayer became the perfect follow up to their new found revelation. ------------- For the love of goldens. |
Posted By: hcnoer
Date Posted: November 05 2005 at 08:20
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Seriously, Gates of Delirium is what Prog is about. ------------- " Jon Anderson is the only man I know who tries to save this planet while living on another" - Rick Wakeman |
Posted By: Odd24
Date Posted: November 05 2005 at 08:41
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I just can't do it... Man, do I love the both of them. ------------- Right down the line |