Please don't vote for bumper, that is just in case some other opinion is popular in the thread, in which case I can add it in in one of the "bumper" spots.

 

I think that it has it's moments, but that it's rarely as good as the original

 

but i hesitated with

 

 

shows a lack of originality (not systematically either)

 

and

 

tends (often but not always) to fall flat on its face, but does have it's moments

 

 

 

Glueman wrote: Who cares? Either one enjoys it or one doesn't. The lineage does not matter to me - virtually all music has it's roots and influences elsewhere. It is virtually impossible to be totally original. Anyway, no two people hear the same thing when listening to music. Some hear influences, some imagine them and some just appreciate (or not) when listening anew. I never have any pre-conceived notions when setting out and along that journey I may hear things which I perceive to be overt influences from elsewhere but always look at the piece as new. As with all music, I want to be moved in some way. Any music has the potential to do that - derivative or not.

 

 

 

I don't agree at all. Sure you can be influenced and still produce great works, but derivative also means copying of plagiazing. Roots are important at least on the analysing process...

 

And your pleasure with highly derivative music either means:

 

1- you treat music like general entertainment (rather than art and culture), which means that if McDonalds is strongly inspired on Burger King (or Pepsi and Coke) >>>> who cares it's all the same

 

2- you are probably encourageing people to just be content on living out their fantasies as third rates Emerson (maybe not in terms of talents but certainly in terms of recognition/fame/notoriety) and giving derivative music the same value as original oeuvres. And this might lead to weakening the general arts in order to make it plain and accessible entertainment >>> like kids out on a Saturday at the movies, not being able to see their first choice of movie because sold-out so they go see just about anything else instead >> who cares right ??? It's all the same .... (crap)

 

 

 

 

 

Well, a lot of people would say that IQ's Dark Matter is derivative of early Genesis and Pink Floyd.

 

I can agree with that.  Like Shine On You Crazy Diamond and Echoes (Pink Floyd), a subject on which nobody agrees with me.

 

Sean Trane wrote: (almost) never as good as the original, but not bad automatically was my choice   but i hesitated with     shows a lack of originality (not systematically either)   and   tends (often but not always) to fall flat on its face, but does have it's moments       Glueman wrote: Who cares? Either one enjoys it or one doesn't. The lineage does not matter to me - virtually all music has it's roots and influences elsewhere. It is virtually impossible to be totally original. Anyway, no two people hear the same thing when listening to music. Some hear influences, some imagine them and some just appreciate (or not) when listening anew. I never have any pre-conceived notions when setting out and along that journey I may hear things which I perceive to be overt influences from elsewhere but always look at the piece as new. As with all music, I want to be moved in some way. Any music has the potential to do that - derivative or not.       I don't agree at all. Sure you can be influenced and still produce great works, but derivative also means copying of plagiazing. Roots are important at least on the analysing process...   And your pleasure with highly derivative music either means:   1- you treat music like general entertainment (rather than art and culture), which means that if McDonalds is strongly inspired on Burger King (or Pepsi and Coke) >>>> who cares it's all the same   2- you are probably encourageing people to just be content on living out their fantasies as third rates Emerson (maybe not in terms of talents but certainly in terms of recognition/fame/notoriety) and giving derivative music the same value as original oeuvres. And this might lead to weakening the general arts in order to make it plain and accessible entertainment >>> like kids out on a Saturday at the movies, not being able to see their first choice of movie because sold-out so they go see just about anything else instead >> who cares right ??? It's all the same .... (crap)

 

Sean Trane has it right.

I like to think of "Harvest of Souls" as an affectionate tribute to "Supper's Ready". Yes, it has the same structure (acoustic opening, iinstrumental section in non-standard time, big ending) but none of the melodies are directly derivative of any of the Supper's Ready melodies.