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Topic: PA PROG OLYMPICS CHAMPIONSHIP
Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Subject: PA PROG OLYMPICS CHAMPIONSHIP
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 01:55
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Final match. One week to determine winner. I will bump periodically to keep this at the top. Those who wish to help organize the next Prog Olympics please PM me. Thanks. Good luck to both albums. ------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 01:59
THICK AS A BRICK TILL THE END!  aren't the next Olympics gonna be held...in four years?  ------------- 
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Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 02:00
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If Thick as a Brick wins, do I win since I suggested it?
Oh, and my vote goes to Thick.... ------------- 
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Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 02:07
Sure Australian, you win an e-cookie from me. ------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 02:09
alright!  -------------
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OpethGuitarist wrote:Posted By: the icon of sin
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 05:42
| I'll give what I fear to be a consolation vote to Red. My favourite of all 70s prog. |
Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 10:00
| TAAB. |
Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 10:15
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its tough.... but I gotta go with Red ------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: condor
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 10:35
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Red
Anyone who thinks a Jethro Tull album is the best is musically and emotionally primitive. |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 11:26
| Red, of course! |
Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 11:31
RED! red red red red REEEEEEED! REEEED! red red!
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Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 11:38
That's pretty harsh, don't you think? ... ------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
Posted By: Uroboros
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 12:47
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Primitive as that may make me, TaaB. ------------- Tous les chemins qui s’ouvrent à moi ne mènent à rien si tu n’es plus là |
Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 12:49
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Red
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Posted By: Mlaen
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 13:50
| Jethro Tull. |
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 13:51
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RED ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Arrrghus
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 14:03
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Oooh... this is extremely tough... but RED. ------------- 
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 14:28
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Red ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: Asphalt
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 14:42
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yep, pretty worthy of a final match with all emotional and musical primitivism... my vote goes to Red Thick As A Brick is superbly crafted and with wonderful ideas, but it just doesn't tie up very well |
Posted By: Open-Mind
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 16:58
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Red for winning!
------------- "I'm on a roll, I'm on a roll this time, I feel my luck could change.. " |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 17:36
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Red.
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 17:38
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Thick as a Brick. (though APP deserves it more ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
)Posted By: T.Rox
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 17:49
Go the "Brick"  ------------- "Without prog, life would be a mistake." ...with apologies to Friedrich Nietzsche |
Posted By: Firepuck
Date Posted: October 30 2006 at 12:25
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Two great albums. The one I listen to more often gets my vote, so Red it is.------------- Kryten : "'Pub'? Ah yes, A meeting place where humans attempt to achieve advanced states of mental incompetence by the repeated consumption of fermented vegetable drinks." |
Posted By: Badabec
Date Posted: October 30 2006 at 16:11
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King Crimson - Red But Thick As A Brick is also an outstanding album... ------------- Mesmo a tristeza da gente era mais bela E além disso se via da janela Um cantinho de céu e o Redentor - Antônio Carlos Jobim, Toquinho & Vinícius de Moraes - Carta ao Tom 74 |
Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: October 30 2006 at 22:31
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TAAB owns Red!!! Go JT! -------------  <font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR] |
Posted By: video vertigo
Date Posted: October 30 2006 at 23:26
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jethro tull
------------- "The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa |
Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: October 31 2006 at 03:49
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TAAB! ------------- "Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent." Charles Bukowski |
Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: October 31 2006 at 10:21
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My favorite albums by these two bands. My vote goes for King Crimson's Red. Darker, heavier, meaner. ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: Sasquamo
Date Posted: October 31 2006 at 16:31
| Red |
Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: October 31 2006 at 17:16
Being primitive is you posting such a stupid comment. ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: October 31 2006 at 19:04
Go Red!  (Already voted tough) |
Posted By: Viajero Astral
Date Posted: October 31 2006 at 22:18
 GO, RED, GO!! 
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 31 2006 at 22:21
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RED -------------  |
Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: October 31 2006 at 22:23
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TAAB, possibly my favorite album ever. -------------  
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Posted By: URTAAB
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 03:47
| TAAB! TAAB! TAAB! |
Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 05:01
I lauged when I read that comment.
You know the same thing can be said about Red, how would you react? You are insulting anyone enjoys Thick As A Brick, next time you want to insult something, try to use subtlety. -------------
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Posted By: condor
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 12:20
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Firstly, I'm not the kind of jumpy person waiting to be insulted at every opportunity. If you said the same thing about Red, I'd just ignore you; you're wrong. Why would I need to be insulted? Also, try reading what I say. Offended people always simplify one's arguments into absurd extremes or dichotomy that fit their simple mind-set. I've had to explain this to many tedious people like you all my life ("you can't generalise!", "you can't say that" and other rubbish).
Secondly, I said the best. I think TAAB is an excellent album but calling it the greatest is absurd. It's like selecting a comedy novel as the greatest ever written. No matter how hilarious it is, it will still be a lesser work compared to 1984, Utopia, Brave New World etc because the breadth, importance and grandeur of ideas is less. There are lots of novels I disagree with, which I prefer to many I agree with, simply because the ideas challenge and stimulate more. I'm sorry I cannot elaborate on the analogy more but think of it like this. Red is almost a music manifesto, TAAB simply a jolly narrative. I think people have been voting for the album that matches their tastes the most ("dark" people for Red; "light" people for TAAB) without considering how progressive i.e. avant-garde the album is. If more people thought like this Lord of the Rings wouldn't top the Big Read poll for greatest book nor CTTE, SEBTB or whatever for progarchives. Instead, Brave New World or 1984 and Red or Pawn Hearts would. |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 15:09
| There is no definitive way of determining "best" or "greatest", especially not in art. Everyone has their own opinion, and there's no point in insulting people who don't share yours. There will always be people who disagree with one's own opinions, and in reality there's little we can do about it. Just let people like whatever they want to like. |
Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 15:16
| King Crimson - Red |
Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 15:21
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Condor you went out to insult people rather than the music, that's where you went too far. You can insult any band all you want, personally I won't care much. However when you say the people who listen to that music are somehow inferior beings, you become an arrogant nuisance. ------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 15:46
I agree with that.
Now let's just forget about this. -------------
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Posted By: Uroboros
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 16:07
 1.Man, your commentaries on literature are... um... interesting. Talk about thinking in dichotomies.
 2.Red is a musical manifesto? What's being manifested there more precisely? And since when were Kc avant-garde? Of course, Red is a wonderful album, everybody loves it, it's a damn fine progrock record, it takes chances with ideas, it's daring and challenging to assimilate, but it's quite obvious that your use of the term is totally automatic. Name anything Kc came up with before anyone else in terms of musical expression and I'll buy it.
3.What the heck are light and dark people?
4.You do have some kind of a point with the "Lord of the Rings" thing (although the analogy is unsubstantiated), but in that case 1984 would hardly qualify as a better option. Notice you're still talking mainstream: 1984, Red... let's be serious - the great struggle for breaking boundaries in artistical expression is happening elsewhere and most of us aren't aware of it and wouldn't have the analytical tools of perception to justly appreciate it. As long as we don't discuss real avantgarde/real masterliness in art, we should be humble enough to think of ourselves as mere music lovers, and not exegetic authorities. ------------- Tous les chemins qui s’ouvrent à moi ne mènent à rien si tu n’es plus là |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 16:10
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less insulting, more voting...... of Thick As A Brick. -------------
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Posted By: condor
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 16:12
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Once again, you have simplified and distorted what I have said. I suggested people who held works such as TAAB as the greatest achivement music has produced (not simply liking or listening to as you falesly claim) have not yet fully realized music's full emotional and progressive power.
If they think listening to TAAB induces music's highest emotions, then they are emotionally more primitive. You suggest I "insult" people because I am arrogant and enjoy putting people down. If people were not so reactionary and stubborn they might actually the see the flip-side of "insults". They only time "insults" are wrong is when they criticise characteristics people: cannot change or do not matter. If someone considered Harry Potter the greatest novel written I would think them emotionally underdeveloped (not emotionally stupid as simple-minded believers in dichotomy will probably suggest). The same applies if you consider: Cats the greatest musical, TAAB the greatest album, Twelth Night the greatest play, Indiana Jones the greatest film. Here's a definition of great: "of major significance or importance; "a great work of art"; "Einstein was one of the outstanding figures of the 20th centurey" Try thinking about why Einstein or Marx or Darwin were great rather than just good, then try and apply this to music. If you still think TAAB is the greatest album, you really have got your head screwed on wrong. |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 16:17
I hold Thick As A Brick as one of progressive music (or music)'s finest works, considering everything. And I have about 1500 albums to back me up as not being primitive or centered on what's wrongly great. So let's not say anything anymore.  Your vote is on Red, you can't see Thick As A Brick as the greatest, that's just great. But nothing more, please... After all, this is the final of a game that lasted long enough and from which Thick As A Brick resulted, along with Red, as the "greatest" two. Everything is relative, because everything is a game. -------------
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Posted By: Firepuck
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 16:23
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It seems there is always someone who tries to ruin the fun... condor, your arguments are opinions, not facts. Get off your high horse and try to involve yorself in the spirit of the competition. OpethGuitarist started this for FUN, hopefully he will continue.
Just like the real olympics the best do not always win. And someone's idea of the best will differ from anothers - just like in sports.
------------- Kryten : "'Pub'? Ah yes, A meeting place where humans attempt to achieve advanced states of mental incompetence by the repeated consumption of fermented vegetable drinks." |
Posted By: condor
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 16:38
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Uroboros, do you know what dichotomy is? Do you consider all literary genres equally important?
Red as a manifesto, briefly: Almost equal prominence and complexity for all instruments Melding of orchestral and rock instruments together to produce a heavier sound. Red: using solely instruments to produce verse, chorus and bridge Fallen Angel: I think the only truly heavy ballad I have heard Starless: I cannot do this justice so try http://www.progressiveears.com/frippbook/ch06.htm - this description at the bottom. The greatest album probably hasn't been written yet but it definitely won't be anything like TAAB. Light and dark people. Some people generally want bands to make them happy, some to scare or disturb them, some in between. Obviously, I rushed the literary examples although I cannot see why a mainstream work is inherently less challenging. 1984 certainly wasn't mainstream when Orwell tried to get it published. However, the greatest book ever written may be by some obscure science fiction writer which took his/her entire life charting the course of humanity across the universe which we were all too lazy to tackle and recognise for its genius. Lastly, whoever said it's all opinon, that's simply a relativistic cop-out. |
Posted By: condor
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 16:51
Why does no one ever read what I say? Am I cursed? I said greatest, NOT best. This isn't like the Olympics where you try to run the fastest; people are creating cultural works to induce emotions. TAAB induces jollity and epicness (excuse the neologism). Red induces deep sorrow (Fallen Angel), electric evil (Red), fear (One More Red Nightmare) and sadness, deep wonder, growth & triumph (Starless). Do you understand what I mean about certain emotions being more powerful than others? |
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 16:54
The problem is that you are confusing opinion with fact. A comedy can be just as good as a serious piece of literature. It's all in how well it is done. "The Taming of the Shrew" comes to mind, as does "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy." But, that is my opinion, and no more or less valid than yours. You are also making negative statements about the people who disagree with you. Just because they don't see it your way does not mean they have their heads screwed on wrong. There are more constructive ways of expressing differences of opinion. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: condor
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 17:07
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"You are also making negative statements about the people who disagree with you. Just because they don't see it your way does not mean they have their heads screwed on wrong. There are more constructive ways of expressing differences of opinion."
This really takes the relativistic biscuit. I am being negative about people who disagree with me. Sorry, I respectfully think you are totally wrong. I am glad I have to put up with people who misinterpret what I say and are outraged that I think their taste imperfect. Don't tell me. You privately treat people with equal intellectual respect even if they believe in something you hold to be fundamentally false or wrong. |
Posted By: Uroboros
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 18:28
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Just to answer the directly posed questions:
- Of course I know what dichotomy is - and I found it funny that it actually featured quite strongly in your argument (light and dark people - well, I would really like to know where I fit, since I equally enjoy listening to e.g. Devil Doll and Jethro Tull)... Anyway, let's admit that slipped.
- The idea of the whole "comedy is not good, comedy is comic" is seriously displaced (Bhikku pointed that out already). Of course every literary genre CAN be equally important - it's not about the mood/theme/approach, it's about expressing it in particular ways/developing the theme/making a persuasive statement/juggling with techniques etc. (hmm, I wish I was an English native speaker right now...)
- I'm not convinced that any of Red's virtues make it "superior" in intent or realisation. Listen to Schoenberg, Boulez, John Cage, even Philip Glass and then come back to Kc's innovative approach. Red is not in the same league, in the same way that 1984 is not in the same league as Foucault's Pendulum, but they are nevertheless great works of art in their own right, just not ultimate standards. And, as long as we don't deal with ultimate standards here, neither listeners of TaaB nor those who prefer Red should go saying he knows better. I'm just saying we should be careful when making judgements of value.
- Just for the record, Starless is my favourite piece of music ever and I love Red enourmously. I did vote for TaaB though. That must mean I like them both quite a lot.
 - Sorry for pouring fuel on this, but after all any final match has to have its tensions/conflicts to make the whole thing dramatic. I hope there won't be any hard feelings. It is a game indeed and not much more.
------------- Tous les chemins qui s’ouvrent à moi ne mènent à rien si tu n’es plus là |
Posted By: Uroboros
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 18:35
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Anyway, I think a nice idea for the next championship would be to promote some more not-very-well-known bands/albums for a change. I mean, everybody knows TaaB/CttE/Red/Moving Pictures, so it was more of a competition between top 20 names... the more less known albums suggested in the early stages went out after the first or second round, so I don't think this thing actually succeeded in its informative/promotional intention. Maybe next time we could avoid suggesting "giants" and see what happens with less predictable contestants. ------------- Tous les chemins qui s’ouvrent à moi ne mènent à rien si tu n’es plus là |
Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 23:11
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The next set of Olympics should be almost entirely different, this was more of a feel to see how people liked it, a beta version if you will.
------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: November 02 2006 at 00:58
well the idea was that people chosed their album, with which to enter the game. so we can only hope for people to go...a little more underground. the idea of not repeating this olympics' albums is great!, let's do the next one like that. -------------
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: November 02 2006 at 01:16
I try to, and I never attack them. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: November 02 2006 at 01:20
you have to try the approach of arguments, honest dialogue, not a memento statement that sound, resembles or even is an insult. it's a very rare thing up here to discuss , to argument your opposite feelings or interpretation with someone. I have many times other opinions that someone else (just for example, over/underrated situations), but I don't think I every went ballistically upon that opposite statement of mine. In the end, some controversy is never wrong, only how it's treated starts to affect. Again, let's continue and finish this game, which is a fun thing, a personal result of people previously voting and eliminating, and a enclosed thing of a leisure stand.... -------------
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Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: November 02 2006 at 03:09
I do consider Thick As A brick much more significant than Red. Every thing about the word “significant” is being able to make an impression on people and when looking at sales and which album is more known and accepted, then TAAB is far, far ahead of Red. It was also recorded three years before Red. End of Conversation -------------
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: November 02 2006 at 03:26
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Fallen Angel, Thick as a Brick...Fallen Angel, Thick as a Brick...
(sigh)
Thick. You HAD to put my favorite King Crimson song up there though, didn't you? Still, it's albums and not songs, so I'll go with Thick.
As though you thought I wouldn't. ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: T.Rox
Date Posted: November 02 2006 at 05:48
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Fact: I think TAAB is the best album ... ever!
Fact: Not everyone agrees with my opinion
Fact: I am entitled to my opinion
Fact: You are entitled to your opinion
Fact: My opinion and your opinion can be different
Fact: If your opinion differs from mine I have the opportunity to explore your ideas, and you have the opportunity to explore my ideas ... and this may lead to one of us changing our opinion ... but it doesn't have to
BTW, IMHO TAAB is the best album ... EVER!
Possibility: I will discover another album I believe is better than TAAB ... it could happen!
------------- "Without prog, life would be a mistake." ...with apologies to Friedrich Nietzsche |
Posted By: condor
Date Posted: November 02 2006 at 08:49
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Someone used the fact TAAB was written 3 (actually 2) years before Red to suggest it was more significant. This makes no sene when you consider they are in totally different genres. In terms of significance, Red appears to win hands down. Red possibly influenced a whole genre, prog metal. TAAB only appears to have influenced A Passion Play and not much more.
Secondly, T.Rox suggests all this is opinion and therefore all opinions are equally valid. This is simply utter nonsense. I'm sorry if you don't suggest but this is all I could take from your mysterious suggestion that we are all entitled to our opnions. As far as I'm aware, this isn't an argument about free speech. |
Posted By: Firepuck
Date Posted: November 02 2006 at 10:08
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OpethGuitarist, there have been some good suggestions for the next olympics. If I may, I have a couple of other ideas...
1. no albums in the PA top 100 allowed (multiple variants on this)
2. how about best song olympics
3. as mentioned, albums nominated in previous PO's not allowed
4. timeline olympics (ie 90's)
I had a great time with this and looked forward everyday to checking the status of the games. Regardless of which album wins (both are great and would be deserving winners IMO) I think that most people would agree that the games were well worth the exercise.
As a final note I want to say that there were several albums nominated that I haven't heard yet (which became somewhat of an issue during voting
 ) and to those that wanted to expose members to their favourites perhaps they have succeeded in some small way - I for one have taken the bait and purchased 'Talk Talk - Spirit of Eden' based on it's inclusion in the games and my ensuing reading of the reviews of the album. Thanks again to OpethGuitarist!  ------------- Kryten : "'Pub'? Ah yes, A meeting place where humans attempt to achieve advanced states of mental incompetence by the repeated consumption of fermented vegetable drinks." |
Posted By: T.Rox
Date Posted: November 02 2006 at 10:09
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Condor, I respect your right to like Red more than TAAB. At the same time you need to respect my right to value TAAB over Red.
We should be able to have a civil discussion on the subject in a fun thread without those who like TAAB being labelled "primitive" ... your word!
You have been in PA a very short time. Think about the damage you seem to be doing with your flippant comments.
'nuff said by me.
------------- "Without prog, life would be a mistake." ...with apologies to Friedrich Nietzsche |
Posted By: T.Rox
Date Posted: November 02 2006 at 10:11
I'll second Firepuck's "thanks" ------------- "Without prog, life would be a mistake." ...with apologies to Friedrich Nietzsche |
Posted By: Firepuck
Date Posted: November 02 2006 at 10:16
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Once again condor is spewing his opinions as facts. I would follow up with some derogatory remark but it would sink me to condor' level. ------------- Kryten : "'Pub'? Ah yes, A meeting place where humans attempt to achieve advanced states of mental incompetence by the repeated consumption of fermented vegetable drinks." |
Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: November 02 2006 at 10:21
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As a side note, can we please close the tangent discussion on this thread. If you would like, make another thread about it, or PM a member about it, but please let's end the bickering in this thread here. Thanks, OG ------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: November 02 2006 at 10:24
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@ Firepuck some nice suggestions, BePinkTheater suggested some things along similar lines, and I will probably go into discussions with a few people who were very active here(or just sent me advice) about what might be good ideas to venture into next. I can guarantee you two things. None of the albums on this olympics will be featured on the next one. The competition will be set up very differently. ------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
Posted By: Firepuck
Date Posted: November 02 2006 at 10:25
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Can't wait! ------------- Kryten : "'Pub'? Ah yes, A meeting place where humans attempt to achieve advanced states of mental incompetence by the repeated consumption of fermented vegetable drinks." |
Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: November 02 2006 at 18:43
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As I saw this game on a different site, i think an important thing would be to limit it to only 32 entries so it works out evenly because I think the first round was a bit confusing.
Other than that, I hope the next one is as good as this one. ------------- <font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: November 03 2006 at 00:41
This wouldn't have been an argument about anything if you hadn't said anything insulting. Genres have absolutely nothing to do with it Con-man. If anything, TAAB was one of the first CONCEPT albums, now try and tell me that prog-metal bands haven't adopted concepts. “This is simply utter nonsense” Are you saying that your opinions are more valid than others? TAAB: recorded December 1971 at Morgan Studios, RED: recorded July-August 1974 -------------
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Posted By: Sasquamo
Date Posted: November 03 2006 at 19:56
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Sorry I'm adding to the discussion, but I promise I won't say much more than this. (Unless something incredibly outrageous is said.) Condor, you're being silly. Some of what you're saying is so absurd that I'm not sure whether you're serious or are just being a devil's advocate. True, maybe a book like The Sound and the Fury is better literature than Lord of the Rings, but I still like the latter better. In a poll of which is better literature, I would vote for The Sound and the Fury. Look, this is not a poll about greatness, this is a poll about personal preference, so don't bring in all this stuff about which is a more masterful album. If this poll was about which was more of a masterpiece, maybe people would vote differently. BUT IT'S NOT! |
Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: November 04 2006 at 01:40
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bump, last day to post your votes
------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: November 04 2006 at 01:41
com'on, Thick. 
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Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: November 04 2006 at 01:42
Of course. Why are all you people making it lose?
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Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: November 04 2006 at 02:00
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Jethro Tull - Thick as a brick happy? i am an ignorant music fan who is emotionally inept, you see? ------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
Posted By: condor
Date Posted: November 04 2006 at 11:55
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"Genres have absolutely nothing to do with it Con-man. If anything, TAAB was one of the first CONCEPT albums, now try and tell me that prog-metal bands haven't adopted concepts."
Er...Concept albums had been around many years before TAAB. TAAB was a spoof concept album. I haven't noticed many prog metal artists producing 45-minute tracks or spoof concept albums. “This is simply utter nonsense” Are you saying that your opinions are more valid than others? It's irrelevant who's opinions they are. Some opinions are more valid than others. I don't consider the opinions "Anthony Eden was a better Prime Minister than Clement Atlee", "Eden and Atlee were equally good Prime Ministers" and "it's all down to personal taste" valid. Culture isn't somehow inherently exempt from judgements. If it was, it would never progress. "TAAB: recorded December 1971 at Morgan Studios, London RED: recorded July-August 1974" Sorry, I took it from release dates. |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: November 04 2006 at 12:00
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TULL!!!!! ------------- |