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Topic: Star Wars Appreciation
Posted By: Atavachron
Subject: Star Wars Appreciation
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 17:07
All are welcome, padawans and masters alike, to share your appreciation for this living world of imagination. I'll start by saying I *love* the Clone Wars cartoons...     
    



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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 17:38
The Clone Wars cartoon shorts were awesome.I liked the way they showed you events that happened in the intervening years between the prequel movies.

Does anyone read the Star Wars EU(expanded universe)books?

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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 17:41
Clone Wars was a great cartoon.

As far as literature goes, I've read Shadows of the Empire and a few other ones (Darksaber for one, which was great). I've also lightly touched upon the books that have Han and Leia's children as the protagonists (can't recall the names of the books, though).

I'm also a big enthusiast of the old Decipher card game.

Geek


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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 17:44
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

The Clone Wars cartoon shorts were awesome.I liked the way they showed you events that happened in the intervening years between the prequel movies.

Does anyone read the Star Wars EU(expanded universe)books?


No but I should look into those. Love the flexibility and expansiveness of the SW universe...nice to see you here, Progtologist, I was hoping you'd post.
     


Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 18:24
I highly recommend these EU books:

Shatterpoint(Mace Windu)
I,Jedi(Corran Horn=Kieran Halcyon)
The Hand of Thrawn Trilogy
Shadow Hunter(Darth Maul)
The Bounty Hunter Wars trilogy
Shadows of the Empire
The entire X-Wing:Rogue Squadron series
The Hand of Thrawn duology
Dark Lord:The Rise of Darth Vader

I am about halfway through The New Jedi Order.


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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 18:26
Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

Clone Wars was a great cartoon.As far as literature goes, I've read Shadows of the Empire and a few other ones (Darksaber for one, which was great). I've also lightly touched upon the books that have Han and Leia's children as the protagonists (can't recall the names of the books, though).I'm also a big enthusiast of the old Decipher card game.


The Solo children start appearing around the time of the Corellian trilogy.There are the twins Jacen and Jaina and the youngest is Anakin Solo,who is eerily like his grandfather in many respects.
    

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Posted By: Soupykan
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 18:35
Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

I'm also a big enthusiast of the old Decipher card game.


Wow, nice, I used to play that back when I was about 8 or so. Good times.

Never really understood the rules though, back then.
Very few people seem to remember that game.
     

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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 18:39
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

Clone Wars was a great cartoon.As far as literature goes, I've read Shadows of the Empire and a few other ones (Darksaber for one, which was great). I've also lightly touched upon the books that have Han and Leia's children as the protagonists (can't recall the names of the books, though).I'm also a big enthusiast of the old Decipher card game.


The Solo children start appearing around the time of the Corellian trilogy.There are the twins Jacen and Jaina and the youngest is Anakin Solo,who is eerily like his grandfather in many respects.
    

Yeah, the only story I remember reading (I read a few of them when I was a lot younger) had this part where Han, Jacen, and Jaina (and maybe Leia or Anakin, not 100% certain) go to the remains of Alderaan to get a piece of the planet to give to Leia for her birthday and while there they run into Boba Fett.


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Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 19:46
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

I highly recommend these EU books:

Shatterpoint(Mace Windu)
I,Jedi(Corran Horn=Kieran Halcyon)
The Hand of Thrawn Trilogy
Shadow Hunter(Darth Maul)
The Bounty Hunter Wars trilogy
Shadows of the Empire
The entire X-Wing:Rogue Squadron series
The Hand of Thrawn duology
Dark Lord:The Rise of Darth Vader

I am about halfway through The New Jedi Order.
 
Shadows of the Empire is the BEST Star Wars bookClap
The Thrawn Trilogy is great too, as is the Yuuzhan Vong series (new Jedi Order.) The last book is particularly fun, the ending is a bit strange thoughLOL

I like the way all the planets and unions combine to fight the Yuuzhan Vong, even the Chiss with their cool claw-craft.Smile

 
Awsome:


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Posted By: Sasquamo
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 20:04
Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

Yeah, the only story I remember reading (I read a few of them when I was a lot younger) had this part where Han, Jacen, and Jaina (and maybe Leia or Anakin, not 100% certain) go to the remains of Alderaan to get a piece of the planet to give to Leia for her birthday and while there they run into Boba Fett.
 
Didn't Boba Fett get eaten by the Sarlacc?


Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 20:06
Originally posted by Sasquamo Sasquamo wrote:

Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

Yeah, the only story I remember reading (I read a few of them when I was a lot younger) had this part where Han, Jacen, and Jaina (and maybe Leia or Anakin, not 100% certain) go to the remains of Alderaan to get a piece of the planet to give to Leia for her birthday and while there they run into Boba Fett.
 
Didn't Boba Fett get eaten by the Sarlacc?

Well I can pinpoint the exact story, but I know he jetpacks himself out of the Sarlaac's belly and then steals Slave II, which is essentially a squarish version of Slave I.


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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 20:12
Originally posted by Sasquamo Sasquamo wrote:

Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

Yeah, the only story I remember reading (I read a few of them when I was a lot younger) had this part where Han, Jacen, and Jaina (and maybe Leia or Anakin, not 100% certain) go to the remains of Alderaan to get a piece of the planet to give to Leia for her birthday and while there they run into Boba Fett.

 

Didn't Boba Fett get eaten by the Sarlacc?


He escaped from the Sarlacc's belly.

In the book of short stories called Tales from Jabba's Palace is a story called A Barve Like That:The Tale of Boba Fett.

The whole story is about what happened to Boba while in the Sarlacc and how he was able to eventually escape.It is extremely interesting,he did not escape unscathed.He was very badly burned and horribly disfigured and even after he escaped from the Sarlacc he was dying.

The first book in the Bounty Hunter Wars trilogy(The Mandalorian Armor),tells about how Dengar(another bounty hunter)found Boba dying on the sands of Tattooine and nursed him back to health and saved his life.

Hope I didn't give too much away.
    

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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 20:49
Great to hear the recommendations-- some of it suggests other film or animation projects, I even remember rumors of there being a third trilogy post-RotS.

Oh, and why *are* there so few people that like the prequel films-- some actually hate it with a passion, but i though they were terrific- better in certain ways than the original movies.
    


Posted By: Sasquamo
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 21:36
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Great to hear the recommendations-- some of it suggests other film or animation projects, I even remember rumors of there being a third trilogy post-RotS.

Oh, and why *are* there so few people that like the prequel films-- some actually hate it with a passion, but i though they were terrific- better in certain ways than the original movies.
    
 
It would be interesting to see the age demographic of the people that dislike the previous films.  I'll bet most of them are older folks who saw the original trilogy back when it came out. (They're probably also probably the majority of the people that can't stand the versions of the original trilogy that George Lucas changed up)
 
As for me, I don't care too much.  The first of the new trilogy was not too great, Jar Jar Binks is incredibly stupid.  The second one was definitely an improvement, I enjoyed this one, but still sort of corny.  As for the third one, this is definitely the best of the three.  I almost cried at the sequence when all the clones kill the jediGeekCry .I think that the PG-13 rating really helped, as it allowed George Lucas to do what he wanted with the movie and not have to take out potentially awesome parts to keep it PG.  It really decreased the corniness of the previous two films.  In my opinion, super-modern, amazing special effects + PG=Lame in many cases.
 
As for the new editions of the old films, I don't really care.  I've seen parts of the original versions, and truthfully, I prefer the new editions.  I'll easily put up with a small, pale, stupid-looking Jabba for one scene in order to watch a perfected Death Star (and Hoth!) scene.  I could care less if Lucas made it look like Greedo shot first, even though it does look kind of silly with Greedo missing Han at point blank range, and Han not even flinching at the shot.  It's five seconds of the movie.  I'll live.


Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 21:47
I am 40,saw the original when it first came out,and love them all.I like the original versions of the OT,the new editions of the OT,and the prequels.

The weakest movie,imo,is The Phantom Menace.I think it was geared specifically at a young audience,probably because it is dealing with a 9 year old boy.Jar Jar didn't bother me as much as he did some fans,but he is my least favorite character,I found him quite annoying.

The pod racing scene,Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon's battle with Darth Maul and the battle for Naboo are awesome.

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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 21:51
Actually those changes you mention, Sasquamo, really bothered me. First of all, the Greedo scene was ruined; Han shot first cause he's smart and he was a pirate...and we *wanted* him to shoot first 'cause we like him and it was fun. Completely ridiculous change and the decision to give Han 'ethics' was a mistake. Second, when Han has to walk around 'Jabba' and step over his tail, I nearly lost my lunch-- it wasn't even done well. So I think I]ll be getting the original version of Episode 4.
    


Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 21:53
Just be a completionist like me.

I bought the new version of the OT and then the original version of the OT on dvd not too long ago.

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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 21:54
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

I am 40,saw the original when it first came out,and love them all.I like the original versions of the OT,the new editions of the OT,and the prequels.

The weakest movie,imo,is The Phantom Menace.I think it was geared specifically at a young audience,probably because it is dealing with a 9 year old boy.Jar Jar didn't bother me as much as he did some fans,but he is my least favorite character,I found him quite annoying.

The pod racing scene,Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon's battle with Darth Maul and the battle for Naboo are awesome.


Agree with all that - though the opening scene in Menace is outstanding
    


Posted By: Arrrghus
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 21:58
You guys leave me in awe with your powerful knowledge of Star Wars.

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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 22:03
Originally posted by Arrrghus Arrrghus wrote:

You guys leave me in awe with your powerful knowledge of Star Wars.


Sarcasm!


    


Posted By: Arrrghus
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 22:05
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Arrrghus Arrrghus wrote:

You guys leave me in awe with your powerful knowledge of Star Wars.


Sarcasm!


    




That is NOT sarcasm!!!!!


I really respect you guys! You guys know more about Star Wars than I do about ... anything entertainment-related!
    

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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 22:08
O.K., well, thanks-- it's sad isn't it...


Posted By: Arrrghus
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 22:08
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

O.K., well, thanks-- it's sad isn't it...

    

slightly.

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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 22:09
Originally posted by Arrrghus Arrrghus wrote:

You guys leave me in awe with your powerful knowledge of Star Wars.


Well,I have been a huge fan for almost 30 years.I was there at the beginning.

When I saw Star Wars for the first time it hadn't caught on yet and there were FOUR other people in the theater besides me.
    

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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 22:18
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by Arrrghus Arrrghus wrote:

You guys leave me in awe with your powerful knowledge of Star Wars.


Well,I have been a huge fan for almost 30 years.I was there at the beginning.

When I saw Star Wars for the first time it hadn't caught on yet and there were FOUR other people in the theater besides me.
    


Wow-- must've been quite early in the run, Progtol; that means you may remember the Biggs scene that was soon after taken out? A freind says he clearly remembers Luke talking to Biggs before they leave Tatooine
    


Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 22:44
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by Sasquamo Sasquamo wrote:

Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

Yeah, the only story I remember reading (I read a few of them when I was a lot younger) had this part where Han, Jacen, and Jaina (and maybe Leia or Anakin, not 100% certain) go to the remains of Alderaan to get a piece of the planet to give to Leia for her birthday and while there they run into Boba Fett.

 

Didn't Boba Fett get eaten by the Sarlacc?


He escaped from the Sarlacc's belly.

In the book of short stories called Tales from Jabba's Palace is a story called A Barve Like That:The Tale of Boba Fett.

The whole story is about what happened to Boba while in the Sarlacc and how he was able to eventually escape.It is extremely interesting,he did not escape unscathed.He was very badly burned and horribly disfigured and even after he escaped from the Sarlacc he was dying.

The first book in the Bounty Hunter Wars trilogy(The Mandalorian Armor),tells about how Dengar(another bounty hunter)found Boba dying on the sands of Tattooine and nursed him back to health and saved his life.

Hope I didn't give too much away.
    
 
He pops up somewhere in the New Jedi Order, not to spoil it for you.


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Posted By: Sasquamo
Date Posted: October 28 2006 at 08:55
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Actually those changes you mention, Sasquamo, really bothered me. First of all, the Greedo scene was ruined; Han shot first cause he's smart and he was a pirate...and we *wanted* him to shoot first 'cause we like him and it was fun. Completely ridiculous change and the decision to give Han 'ethics' was a mistake. Second, when Han has to walk around 'Jabba' and step over his tail, I nearly lost my lunch-- it wasn't even done well. So I think I]ll be getting the original version of Episode 4.
    
 
I understand why you dislike the changes, but watch the original Death Star scene and then the new one, and then watch the old Hoth scene and then the new one.  Those two scenes are absolutely amazing in the new version, while they look a little cheesy in the original one.  So I guess now that I think of it, it probably would have been better if George Lucas had just touched up the special effects (like a CD remaster) and not changed anything about the movie itself.  (Well at least nothing significant.  I don't mind seeing more of the scenery of the cloud city for a longer time in the new version.)


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 28 2006 at 12:56
Originally posted by Sasquamo Sasquamo wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Actually those changes you mention, Sasquamo, really bothered me. First of all, the Greedo scene was ruined; Han shot first cause he's smart and he was a pirate...and we *wanted* him to shoot first 'cause we like him and it was fun. Completely ridiculous change and the decision to give Han 'ethics' was a mistake. Second, when Han has to walk around 'Jabba' and step over his tail, I nearly lost my lunch-- it wasn't even done well. So I think I]ll be getting the original version of Episode 4.     

 

I understand why you dislike the changes, but watch the original Death Star scene and then the new one, and then watch the old Hoth scene and then the new one.  Those two scenes are absolutely amazing in the new version, while they look a little cheesy in the original one.  So I guess now that I think of it, it probably would have been better if George Lucas had just touched up the special effects (like a CD remaster) and not changed anything about the movie itself.  (Well at least nothing significant.  I don't mind seeing more of the scenery of the cloud city for a longer time in the new version.)


Agreed.
    


Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: October 28 2006 at 14:32
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by Arrrghus Arrrghus wrote:

You guys leave me in awe with your powerful knowledge of Star Wars.


Well,I have been a huge fan for almost 30 years.I was there at the beginning.

When I saw Star Wars for the first time it hadn't caught on yet and there were FOUR other people in the theater besides me.
    


Wow-- must've been quite early in the run, Progtol; that means you may remember the Biggs scene that was soon after taken out? A freind says he clearly remembers Luke talking to Biggs before they leave Tatooine
    

I know in the book for A New Hope, there's a scene in which Luke goes to Anchorhead and sees a few of his friends and talks with them (Biggs included), never knew that they actually filmed that scene, though.


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Posted By: Sasquamo
Date Posted: October 28 2006 at 14:42
Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by Arrrghus Arrrghus wrote:

You guys leave me in awe with your powerful knowledge of Star Wars.


Well,I have been a huge fan for almost 30 years.I was there at the beginning.

When I saw Star Wars for the first time it hadn't caught on yet and there were FOUR other people in the theater besides me.
    


Wow-- must've been quite early in the run, Progtol; that means you may remember the Biggs scene that was soon after taken out? A freind says he clearly remembers Luke talking to Biggs before they leave Tatooine
    

I know in the book for A New Hope, there's a scene in which Luke goes to Anchorhead and sees a few of his friends and talks with them (Biggs included), never knew that they actually filmed that scene, though.
 
Who's Biggs?  I'm a little down on my Star Wars I guess. 
 
Edit:  Wait, I just remembered, he's the guy the fought the Death Star with Luke, right.  I remember them talking like they new each other.  He survived the Death Star, didn't he?  I think he's the one who's X-wing (or was he flying a Y-wing) got damaged and had to retreat.


Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: October 28 2006 at 14:51
Originally posted by Sasquamo Sasquamo wrote:

Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by Arrrghus Arrrghus wrote:

You guys leave me in awe with your powerful knowledge of Star Wars.


Well,I have been a huge fan for almost 30 years.I was there at the beginning.

When I saw Star Wars for the first time it hadn't caught on yet and there were FOUR other people in the theater besides me.
    


Wow-- must've been quite early in the run, Progtol; that means you may remember the Biggs scene that was soon after taken out? A freind says he clearly remembers Luke talking to Biggs before they leave Tatooine
    

I know in the book for A New Hope, there's a scene in which Luke goes to Anchorhead and sees a few of his friends and talks with them (Biggs included), never knew that they actually filmed that scene, though.
 
Who's Biggs?  I'm a little down on my Star Wars I guess. 
 
Edit:  Wait, I just remembered, he's the guy the fought the Death Star with Luke, right.  I remember them talking like they new each other.  He survived the Death Star, didn't he?  I think he's the one who's X-wing (or was he flying a Y-wing) got damaged and had to retreat.

The character you speak of is Wedge Antilles. Biggs Darklighter is the guy with the checkered helmet design and Vader kills him during Luke's attack run.


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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 28 2006 at 16:34
I always wished Biggs had survived-- didn't seem quite right to sacrifice such a brave young Rebel.

The person I know who saw the first run swears he remebers the Luke/Biggs scene from an early NYC screening and I *know* it existed cause I've seen the footage- Luke is wearing his sun hat. Progtologist where are you...do you recall this short-lived scene? It was a looooong time ago in a galaxy far away...
    


Posted By: Scapler
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 18:30
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

I highly recommend these EU books:

Shatterpoint(Mace Windu)
I,Jedi(Corran Horn=Kieran Halcyon)
The Hand of Thrawn Trilogy
Shadow Hunter(Darth Maul)
The Bounty Hunter Wars trilogy
Shadows of the Empire
The entire X-Wing:Rogue Squadron series
The Hand of Thrawn duology
Dark Lord:The Rise of Darth Vader

I am about halfway through The New Jedi Order.


I've read Shatterpoint, The Thrawn Trilogy (books one and tow), and X-Wing: Rouge Squadron.

Both Shatterpoint and the Thrawn Trilogy are not only good Star Wars books, but good books in general, especially Shatterpoint, it is masterfully written


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Posted By: Scapler
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 18:34
Where the heck is Wizzy in all this?

Am I the lone rep. of the Official Astatula Star Wars Trivia Team here????
So sad....


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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 18:37
Well, I'm here.

Who wrote Shatterpoint, Scalper?
    


Posted By: martinn
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 18:38
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CiW838wNiM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CiW838wNiM

for Star Wars fans..Wink



Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 18:43
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Well, I'm here.

Who wrote Shatterpoint, Scalper?
    


Matthew Stover wrote that.

He also wrote(using his full name Matthew Woodring Stover),an excellent and very original sci-fi book called Heroes Die that I am a big fan of.
    

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Posted By: Scapler
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 18:43
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Well, I'm here.

Who wrote Shatterpoint, Scalper?
    


Matthew Stover

Had to go check my bookshelf for that one, not exactly on of the great literary giants of the worldLOL


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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 18:48
Originally posted by martinn martinn wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CiW838wNiM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CiW838wNiM for Star Wars fans..


That is too funny. Love the acoustic folk version of the Imperial March! Hey- someone should do a prog rock Star Wars album.
    


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 18:49
Progtologist; so, do you recall the Luke/Biggs Tatooine scene in the original release?
    


Posted By: Scapler
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 19:22
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by martinn martinn wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CiW838wNiM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CiW838wNiM for Star Wars fans..


That is too funny. Love the acoustic folk version of the Imperial March! Hey- someone should do a prog rock Star Wars album.
    


Prog is the only style of music that could ever emphasize the awesomeness and intricaces of the Star Wars universe.

Except maybe Weird Al, I used to have the whole of his episode one song memorized.


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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 19:32
Originally posted by Scapler Scapler wrote:


Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by martinn martinn wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CiW838wNiM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CiW838wNiM for Star Wars fans..


That is too funny. Love the acoustic folk version of the Imperial March! Hey- someone should do a prog rock Star Wars album.
    
Prog is the only style of music that could ever emphasize the awesomeness and intricaces of the Star Wars universe.Except maybe Weird Al, I used to have the whole of his episode one song memorized.


No doubt-- seriously, it would be great, and could be a heavier rockish version or something symphonic; Eccentric Orbit would do a great job, or David Bagsby, maybe Emerson...
    
     


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 30 2006 at 19:24
Heated little debate going on in the 'Oh boy Life and Death' thread...I can see it being locked, and rightly so. Luckily, Star Wars fans have a fictional and fun religion called the Force, practiced by good and bad alike. Care to remark on the spiritual side of SW in contrast with other real world faiths?


Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: October 30 2006 at 19:45
Well in England, many people actually filled in their Census returns with the religion of Jedi!  I believe there was at least 20 or so.  It was all started by a guy who from where I live who's changed his name to Luke Skywalker.  He owns a shop with the same name also.

Jody, I do believe R.A. Salvatore wrote a Star Wars book, is it any good?

Also, Wedge and Biggs are also frequent characters in Final Fantasy games.


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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 30 2006 at 19:51
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Well in England, many people actually filled in their Census returns with the religion of Jedi!  I believe there was at least 20 or so.  It was all started by a guy who from where I live who's changed his name to Luke Skywalker.  He owns a shop with the same name also.Jody, I do believe R.A. Salvatore wrote a Star Wars book, is it any good?Also, Wedge and Biggs are also frequent characters in Final Fantasy games.


Some good sparring with Community, GeckO. You kept your composure-- must be all that thread-sparring experience.

That's great about Jediism spreading in the U.K. Heck, half the actors in the films are British.
    
    
    


Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: October 30 2006 at 19:59
Hahaha, well I always keep my cool.  I don't mean to offend anyone, so if I did, I apologise.

But this isn't the place for it, so pfft...

I'm not really a Star Wars person though, so forgive me for intruding.  I'm more of a Forgotten Realms AD&D person.


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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 30 2006 at 20:01
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Hahaha, well I always keep my cool.  I don't mean to offend anyone, so if I did, I apologise.But this isn't the place for it, so pfft...I'm not really a Star Wars person though, so forgive me for intruding.  I'm more of a Forgotten Realms AD&D person.


That's fine-- *any* fantasy is one of the great parts of being human
    


Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: October 30 2006 at 20:03
Indeed.

I do wish there were more Planescape related fiction around though, as that is the best fan-fi world I've ever come across, yet it's never caught on as much as Forgotten Realms has.

It's a shame.

One of my favourite ever fan-fi novels is set in the Planescape world and it never got published and is free to read online.


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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: October 30 2006 at 20:11
As the author tasked with writing the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_Prime - first book of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jedi_Order - New Jedi Order series, Salvatore was ordered by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucasfilm - Lucasfilm to kill off http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca - Chewbacca , one of the most popular characters in the franchise. Many fans thought that Salvatore himself had made this decision, and he received death threats as a result.

Shocked


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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 30 2006 at 20:13
I was playing AD&D in the early 80s, and Aduine Grimore, Chitin, Rune Quest, Gamma World, Ogre, Top Secret, and those great 'Strategy & Tactics' magazines...wish I still had those.
    


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 30 2006 at 20:15
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

As the author tasked with writing the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_Prime - first book of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jedi_Order - New Jedi Order series, Salvatore was ordered by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucasfilm - Lucasfilm to kill off http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca - Chewbacca ,
one of the most popular characters in the franchise. Many fans thought
that Salvatore himself had made this decision, and he received death
threats as a result.


Well that's ridiculous and obsessive
    
    


Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: October 30 2006 at 20:21
Indeed.  I don't understand people who take fanboy/girl-ism that far.

Well, I have three sets of books in the Dark Elf series (Drizzt Do'Urden) by R.A. Salvatore to read.  He's since written some further books, so when I've finally read these ones, I'll will purchase the next ones.


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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 31 2006 at 00:40
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Progtologist; so, do you recall the Luke/Biggs Tatooine scene in the original release?
    


No I don't,and I first saw it very early in it's run.The scene is in the Lucas' book adaptation of the movie though.
    

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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 31 2006 at 00:45
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Well in England, many people actually filled in their Census returns with the religion of Jedi!  I believe there was at least 20 or so.  It was all started by a guy who from where I live who's changed his name to Luke Skywalker.  He owns a shop with the same name also.Jody, I do believe R.A. Salvatore wrote a Star Wars book, is it any good?Also, Wedge and Biggs are also frequent characters in Final Fantasy games.


He wrote the Attack of the Clones novel and the New Jedi Order series called Vector Prime.
    

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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 31 2006 at 01:07
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Progtologist; so, do you recall the Luke/Biggs Tatooine scene in the original release?
    


No I don't,and I first saw it very early in it's run.The scene is in the Lucas' book adaptation of the movie though.
    


In fact the scene was filmed, I've seen it on one of the DVD special features; it must've appeared very breifly during the premier in New York and then cut-- or maybe my friend's memory is incorrect.
    
    


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 31 2006 at 23:15
Anyone know if Lucas is gonna release all six films in one set?


Posted By: UtUmNo1
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 06:21
One of my subordinates at work lists his religion as Jedi Knight.
 
On one particular occasion when I hailed him and some other lads over the loud speaker system I said,
 
"The following people please report to the boss' office; Richard, Glen and Browny: Jedi Knight and friend of Captain Solo"
 
I thought it was hilarious.....


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 17:26
Originally posted by UtUmNo1 UtUmNo1 wrote:

One of my subordinates at work lists his religion as Jedi Knight.
 

On one particular occasion when I hailed him and some other lads over the loud speaker system I said,

 

"The following people please report to the boss' office; Richard, Glen and Browny: Jedi Knight and friend of Captain Solo"

 

I thought it was hilarious.....


Funny.
    


Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: November 02 2006 at 20:52
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Anyone know if Lucas is gonna release all six films in one set?

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if he did.


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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: November 02 2006 at 20:53
Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Anyone know if Lucas is gonna release all six films in one set?

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if he did.
 
He'd probably release them in fullscreen and with the film playing upside down if he thought people would buy it.


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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 02 2006 at 21:04
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Anyone know if Lucas is gonna release all six films in one set?
Wouldn't surprise me one bit if he did.

 

He'd probably release them in fullscreen and with the film playing upside down if he thought people would buy it.


Well our eyes see everything upside down anyway-- it's our brain that knows the difference.

    


Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: November 02 2006 at 21:07
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Anyone know if Lucas is gonna release all six films in one set?
Wouldn't surprise me one bit if he did.

 

He'd probably release them in fullscreen and with the film playing upside down if he thought people would buy it.


Well our eyes see everything upside down anyway-- it's our brain that knows the difference.

    
 
Good, then all we have to do is remove our brain. Big smile


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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 02 2006 at 21:09
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Anyone know if Lucas is gonna release all six films in one set?
Wouldn't surprise me one bit if he did.

 

He'd probably release them in fullscreen and with the film playing upside down if he thought people would buy it.
Well our eyes see everything upside down anyway-- it's our brain that knows the difference.     

 

Good, then all we have to do is remove our brain. [IMG]height=17 alt="Big smile" src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>


Exactly
    


Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 03 2006 at 00:10
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Anyone know if Lucas is gonna release all six films in one set?
Wouldn't surprise me one bit if he did.

 

He'd probably release them in fullscreen and with the film playing upside down if he thought people would buy it.


Ye shall not blaspheme Mr. Lucas in this thread!!!!!



Now say 10 Hail Yoda's and pray for forgiveness.

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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 03 2006 at 00:13
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Anyone know if Lucas is gonna release all six films in one set?
Wouldn't surprise me one bit if he did.

 

He'd probably release them in fullscreen and with the film playing upside down if he thought people would buy it.


Ye shall not blaspheme Mr. Lucas in this thread!!!!!



Now say 10 Hail Yoda's and pray for forgiveness.


Indeed, or a short, bearded Israelite will slowly digest you over ten-thousand years.
    


Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 03 2006 at 00:14
^^^^^



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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: November 03 2006 at 01:52



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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.


Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: November 03 2006 at 01:53
 

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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 03 2006 at 01:55
You will soon perish in a horrible, horrible way...


Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: November 03 2006 at 01:58


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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 03 2006 at 01:59
If tears of laughter weren't falling onto my keyboard causing an impending short, I would trounce you into the depths of the galaxy


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 03 2006 at 14:53
So can someone explain the whole Sithidius thing? As far as I can tell, he was a Master Jedi who commisioned a clone Army that eventually caused the downfall of the Republic. So: who was he? A dark lord in hiding? A well-intentioned Jedi? Was he in fact Darth Sidious? Did he really die? He seems like a significant character, but we only got tangential information on him.   And Peter; don't think I've forgotten you and your anti-Jediac imagery...you've ruined my life.
    


Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 03 2006 at 16:05
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

So can someone explain the whole Sithidius thing? As far as I can tell, he was a Master Jedi who commisioned a clone Army that eventually caused the downfall of the Republic. So: who was he? A dark lord in hiding? A well-intentioned Jedi? Was he in fact Darth Sidious? Did he really die? He seems like a significant character, but we only got tangential information on him.   And Peter; don't think I've forgotten you and your anti-Jediac imagery...you've ruined my life.
    


Palpatine is Darth Sidious,and Sidious was never a Jedi.He was trained as a Dark Lord of the Sith(killed his own Master too).The reason he could stand next to powerful Jedi like Windu and Yoda and them not have a clue as to who he was or what he was up to is that he is so powerful in the Dark Side that it actually clouds the Jedi's perception in the Force.

And as far as the movies are concerned,and George Lucas has already explained that even though there is a huge Star Wars EU that the movies are CANON,The Emperor died by Darth Vader's hand.But in books and comics he actually lived,and Luke had to battle the reborn Emperor again.
    

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Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: November 03 2006 at 16:09
Couldn't they have come up with a better name than Sidious? Or Count Dooku for that matter? LOL

Original Star Wars names pwn!

Han Solo
Skywalker
Vader

etc. etc. etc.


Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: November 03 2006 at 20:02

*Sigh* the original essential guide to vehicles and vessels is so awesome!!



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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: November 03 2006 at 20:08
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

So can someone explain the whole Sithidius thing? As far as I can tell, he was a Master Jedi who commisioned a clone Army that eventually caused the downfall of the Republic. So: who was he? A dark lord in hiding? A well-intentioned Jedi? Was he in fact Darth Sidious? Did he really die? He seems like a significant character, but we only got tangential information on him.   And Peter; don't think I've forgotten you and your anti-Jediac imagery...you've ruined my life.
    


Palpatine is Darth Sidious,and Sidious was never a Jedi.He was trained as a Dark Lord of the Sith(killed his own Master too).The reason he could stand next to powerful Jedi like Windu and Yoda and them not have a clue as to who he was or what he was up to is that he is so powerful in the Dark Side that it actually clouds the Jedi's perception in the Force.

And as far as the movies are concerned,and George Lucas has already explained that even though there is a huge Star Wars EU that the movies are CANON,The Emperor died by Darth Vader's hand.But in books and comics he actually lived,and Luke had to battle the reborn Emperor again.
    


I think that bit of the plot was an afterthought...


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Posted By: Scapler
Date Posted: November 03 2006 at 20:44
Originally posted by Australian Australian wrote:

*Sigh* the original essential guide to vehicles and vessels is so awesome!!



'CHA!



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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 03 2006 at 21:37
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

So can someone explain the whole Sithidius thing? As far as I can tell, he was a Master Jedi who commisioned a clone Army that eventually caused the downfall of the Republic. So: who was he? A dark lord in hiding? A well-intentioned Jedi? Was he in fact Darth Sidious? Did he really die? He seems like a significant character, but we only got tangential information on him.   And Peter; don't think I've forgotten you and your anti-Jediac imagery...you've ruined my life.
    


Palpatine is Darth Sidious,and Sidious was never a Jedi.He was trained as a Dark Lord of the Sith(killed his own Master too).The reason he could stand next to powerful Jedi like Windu and Yoda and them not have a clue as to who he was or what he was up to is that he is so powerful in the Dark Side that it actually clouds the Jedi's perception in the Force.

And as far as the movies are concerned,and George Lucas has already explained that even though there is a huge Star Wars EU that the movies are CANON,The Emperor died by Darth Vader's hand.But in books and comics he actually lived,and Luke had to battle the reborn Emperor again.
    


Yes, yes, I know-- but then who was the dead Jedi who commissioned the clone army from Camino, the one Ben speaks of in AotC?
    


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 04 2006 at 16:17
So why didn't R2 use his little jets in Episodes 4, 5, and 6? I speculate it is due to the sliding impact he receives during the Grievous battle early in RotS. Any thoughts?    


Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: November 04 2006 at 16:19
I think they just hadn't been invented. They had to go make him all fancy. 


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 04 2006 at 16:26
Originally posted by tardis tardis wrote:

I think they just hadn't been invented. They had to go make him all fancy. 


But chronologically in the films, he has them early... and then no jets for New Hope.
     


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 04 2006 at 16:40
...and is the red R2 that was blasted from Amidala's ship over Naboo the same one almost bought by Uncle Owen on Tatooine? Unlikely, I know, but possible??
    
    


Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: November 04 2006 at 16:43
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by tardis tardis wrote:

I think they just hadn't been invented. They had to go make him all fancy. 


But chronologically in the films, he has them early... and then no jets for New Hope.
     


That's what I mean! They had to go ahead and ruin the continuity of the series by introducing something that didn't exist in later films. Confused


Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: November 04 2006 at 16:46
I'm pretty much a Star Wars fan, the original mainly. I found one and two to be kinda crappy, and three was an major improvement but still not up to par with the classics.

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Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: November 04 2006 at 16:47
Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

I'm pretty much a Star Wars fan, the original mainly. I found one and two to be kinda crappy, and three was an major improvement but still not up to par with the classics.


Amen. Spoken like a true purist!Clap


Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: November 04 2006 at 16:49
Originally posted by tardis tardis wrote:

Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

I'm pretty much a Star Wars fan, the original mainly. I found one and two to be kinda crappy, and three was an major improvement but still not up to par with the classics.


Amen. Spoken like a true purist!Clap
Yeah. I used to be really into it when I was younger, reading all the expanded universe stuff. Then I discovered the whole world of classic science fiction, so I started reading that stuff instead.

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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 04 2006 at 16:52
Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

Originally posted by tardis tardis wrote:

Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

I'm pretty much a Star Wars fan, the original mainly. I found one and two to be kinda crappy, and three was an major improvement but still not up to par with the classics.
Amen. Spoken like a true purist![IMG]alt=Clap src="smileys/smiley32.gif" align=absMiddle>


Yeah. I used to be really into it when I was younger, reading all the expanded universe stuff. Then I discovered the whole world of classic science fiction, so I started reading that stuff instead.


--and the classic films; 'Forbidden Planet' practically invented modern sci-fi adventure.
    


Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: November 04 2006 at 18:06
Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

Originally posted by tardis tardis wrote:

Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

I'm pretty much a Star Wars fan, the original mainly. I found one and two to be kinda crappy, and three was an major improvement but still not up to par with the classics.


Amen. Spoken like a true purist!Clap
Yeah. I used to be really into it when I was younger, reading all the expanded universe stuff. Then I discovered the whole world of classic science fiction, so I started reading that stuff instead.
 

Hahah same thing with me. Ever since I’ve discovered the Dune series there has been no time for Star Wars novels. Right now I’m looking for some stuff by Arthur. C Clarke.



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Posted By: UtUmNo1
Date Posted: November 05 2006 at 03:18

If you're looking for good sci-fi, I recommend ''The Gap" series of five books by Stephen Donaldson (author of the Thomas Covenant books).

Very, very good stuff indeed.



Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 17:07
Is Luke evil? Seriously, there are several indications; he starts as an idealistic innocent and ends up a rather violent avenger, going against almost everything Ben taught him. Plus, his attire goes from white to grey to black!


Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 19:30
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Is Luke evil? Seriously, there are several indications; he starts as an idealistic innocent and ends up a rather violent avenger, going against almost everything Ben taught him. Plus, his attire goes from white to grey to black!


I think he is everything his father was,and not just the good attributes either.He is also headstrong,impatient and quick to anger.I always wondered how he avoided turning to the dark side.

In the comics Luke actually did turn to the dark side and came back.
    

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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 21:15
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Is Luke evil? Seriously, there are several indications; he starts as an idealistic innocent and ends up a rather violent avenger, going against almost everything Ben taught him. Plus, his attire goes from white to grey to black!


I think he is everything his father was,and not just the good attributes either.He is also headstrong,impatient and quick to anger.I always wondered how he avoided turning to the dark side.

In the comics Luke actually did turn to the dark side and came back.
    


Yes, and in fact he's well on his way there until he's almost killed and saved by the most famous villan in the galaxy, his dad. That might make a good part 7,8 & 9. Luke, while in charge of building a new republic, revisits his father's fascist agenda.
    


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 21:23
Ooohh, sharp avatar, Jody.
    
    


Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 21:45
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Ooohh, sharp avatar, Jody.
    
    


Thanks,I'm playing around with some new ones.I always go back to dark Anakin though.

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Posted By: UtUmNo1
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 10:19
http://www.supershadow.com - www.supershadow.com has the plot outlines for episodes 7,8 and 9 if you're interested.


Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 10:24
I know so many hard core SW fans that detest that site.

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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 18:59
Originally posted by UtUmNo1 UtUmNo1 wrote:

http://www.supershadow.com - www.supershadow.com has the plot outlines for episodes 7,8 and 9 if you're interested.


Thanks UtUmNo1, though it's unclear as to whether this info is proper (SW canon)...but it's an interesting site.
    


Posted By: UtUmNo1
Date Posted: November 09 2006 at 09:15
Yeah, I can't be sure either but I did visit it quite often prior to EP III coming out and it was always on the money.
 
Originally posted by The Progtologist The Progtologist wrote:

I know so many hard core SW fans that detest that site.
 
Any examples of why they hate the site? I've always found it hard to believe that Lucas answers questions there but although I try to find fault it keeps turning up legitimate...


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 10 2006 at 14:52
I have a friend who feels SW ('New Hope' in particular as he was about 10 yrs. when it came out) provided a moral blueprint for him and others of his generation, and is quite sure it helped him form his own sense of ethics and values. Is this stupid, silly or unfounded? Can you take such important meaning and principle from a movie with spaceships and puppets? I'd like to hear from *anyone* who was under 16 or so when they experienced Episodes 4,5 or 6 about whether this was true for them as well.
    


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 11 2006 at 23:32
Often it is simple chance an actor will get cast in what turns out to be an important role. How do you think the SW films would have been different with/without certain actors?...Nick Nolte was up for the part of Han Solo, God help us.
    



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