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Topic: Congratulations!!!!
Posted By: toolis
Subject: Congratulations!!!!
Date Posted: October 08 2006 at 08:09
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You just managed to put an Iron Maiden LP in the top prog releases list, above others like Zappa, Oldfield, Porcupine Tree, Ozric, Gentle Giant, Jethro Tull, Spock's Beard etc... I HOPE YOU ARE HAPPY.....  ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
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Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: October 08 2006 at 08:13
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Why thank you! I'm happy!  src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif">------------- 
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: October 08 2006 at 08:14
Where? |
toolis wrote:Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: October 08 2006 at 08:20
it's really low now, search in top500 for Seventh Son.. but this is only the beginning... i bet my head that this will go on and it will climb up to top100 and other IM LPs will follow... so, do i have to erase my profile somehow or just stop visiting? ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: October 08 2006 at 08:28
That's entirely your choice,but is rather an over-reaction isnt it? Its a list of popular albums that's all and its not even in the top 200 and I doubt that IM ever will be in the Top 100. It would take a lot of Collaborators/Prog Reviewers giving them high marks,to achieve this and it aint going to happen trust me! You know if I wasnt a Moderator with this site,I would probably NEVER visit the Prog-Related Forum...why dont you do the same? 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 08 2006 at 08:35
It's impossible to browse the site (front page, band lists etc.) without noticing the prog-related content - there's no way to block it. And I remember that when Queen were added collabs also claimed that they wouldn't reach the top 100 ... I think that Seventh Son has the potential to enter the top 100 just like ANATO has.  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: October 08 2006 at 08:36
ok, i'll continue to come here, it was a momentary lapse of reason ...
still, even if i don't visit this forum, i'll be pissed about the fact that IM will surpass real prog LPs and how can you be so sure about them not climbing up tha top100? how about that recomendation of mine to exclude all the Proto Prog and Prog Related bands? i mean "Up The Downstairs" is a prog gem and "Seventh Son.." is a metal gem with 2-3 prog related tracks in it and Seventh Son is higher... that's provoking, don't you think? ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: October 08 2006 at 08:37
I also highly regret these type of inclusions because it shouldn't be a priority...a tone of obscure (and really vintage) progressive bands are missing in the database, I work in favour of it and a justice closer to the guideline. I advise you to forget this kind of disconcerted additions and go directly to the main subjects. Sorry for these deviations but I cannot control it, I hope that you’ll find your stuff in the rest. ------------- 
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Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: October 08 2006 at 08:40
the thing is that to me Queen are prog...  ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 08 2006 at 08:46
Then why don't you make a leap of faith and accept that there are people who think that Iron Maiden are prog (or prog-related)? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: October 08 2006 at 08:50
i just stand by my beliefs: IM aren't even prog relared and Queen are definitely prog... i'm not trying to change anybody's opinion but only remove Proto Prog and Prog Related bands from the top lists...it's just so unfair.. simple as that... ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 08 2006 at 08:51
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^ as long as you accept that this removal includes Queen ...
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Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: October 08 2006 at 08:55
for starters, yes... cause after this removal is done, i'll continue my struggle to include Queen to any prog genre.... 
MY GOD, i'm stubborn... ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: October 08 2006 at 09:03
Yes,but I was referring to The Prog-Related Forum. I have a certain sympathy with Toolis' position and of course discussions go on....and on...and on..and of course people keep coming and going and we lose some of our stronger voices.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 08 2006 at 09:05
hahhahah... not happy... amused though I see what you are getting at, but it really doesn't matter does it. Any list that has that many Genesis albums that high...over albums that ...well... are much much better really should be taken for a grain of salt. It's a list of popular albums. Nothing more nothing less ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: sularetal
Date Posted: October 08 2006 at 09:35
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I'm also a bit dissapointed from IM's inclusion.... The fact is that while IM and Mastodon are here, bands like katatonia are still missing.
The thing that made me think it was a very risky decission was the fact that as many have said "if iron maiden are here let's put sabbath, metallica etc etc etc....". This is not the point of this site. IMO the correct thing to do would be to have an article about proto-prog and prog-related bands that would say historical info about bands that influenced the prog scene. Having more than 2 reviews of IM on the last 10 reviews list is a bit odd.
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: October 08 2006 at 10:13
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Now I think that, for top 500, you are overreacting. Practically any good supported and rated album will get around there.
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: October 08 2006 at 11:12
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It's not really that important. Does it also make you mad that Mariah Carey gets No. 1 hits, or do you just accept it? It's just poll results. They have no bearing on your life. I don't like Tool or Dream Theater, but my head isn't about to explode because their albums are highly rated. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: October 08 2006 at 11:23
who............me???
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Posted By: ThirdEye
Date Posted: October 08 2006 at 12:14
I don't know what you all say but Queen really rule 
Anyway, Maiden don't deserve the place in that site; it's just Harris who is a big prog rock fun, not all of the band, especially their music... Of course, their last album is different (compared to the others) but still, Maiden aren't supposed to be here
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Posted By: SolariS
Date Posted: October 09 2006 at 00:06
 This thread is funny to me. I don't think I've ever even looked through the top500. Anything beyond 50 you have to take with a grain of salt. I wouldn't argue that an album should be 347th instead of 289th. It means nothing to me or anyone else for that matter. -------------  
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Posted By: R o V e R
Date Posted: October 09 2006 at 01:25
well said though i like DT |
Posted By: martinprog77
Date Posted: October 09 2006 at 04:19
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 09 2006 at 04:29
Exactly-- it's like saying 50 flights to the East Coast were made today, but only 35 flights were made to the West. It is an insignificant number and will probably change next week. 
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Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: October 09 2006 at 05:17
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ok, i think it's time to put some things in the right place...
1.it's not about the place IM's albums have now, it's about the ones they'll climb up to.. this is a sign and given the popularity of this band maybe all you people should expect to be disappointed once Seventh Son surpasses your fav underrated prog album... 2.and don't tell me that the topx00 list in here is just a popularity list.. sure, it's not sth my life depends on but last time i checked the front page was called PROGARCHIVES... during the last months i visit this site from work, risking my job just to write reviews, talk with you guys anget info... i have loved this site, i've made some very good friends and i've learned so much for so many great bands i completely ignored their existence... i'm most thankful for all of these... but, if a time comes that any IM release hits a top100 place and we have to debate about which is better, "Seventh Son.." or any other real prog album i will shoot myself... ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: October 09 2006 at 05:35
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OK, I had decided to take a break for some weeks, and to try to keep out of this mess, but now I feel I can't keep quiet any longer... Toolis, the only thing I can say to you is, you're lucky you want to shoot yourself because you fear that a Maiden album will reach the Top 100... Such remarks are quite offensive towards those (many) people who have REAL problems in their everyday lives, and who use this site to relax and enjoy themselves - not to see it turn into an arena for fighting over totally irrelevant matters. If you don't like this site anymore, there are many others to choose from - which, incidentally, are much more catholic in their policies than this one will ever be. I don't want to go against freedom of speech, but I've really had enough of seeing those useless threads crop up almost every day - not to mention that, as the person responsible for adding Maiden to PA (with full authorisation from the owners, in case someone hadn't got it before), I'm sick and tired of the emotional assault to which I've been subjected. Hope sometimes you can all stop ranting about IM's addition and think a bit about that. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: October 09 2006 at 05:57
Hear Hear. Philippe's voice is the one of reason here
 Thanks Philippe!!
Yes too much attention to those lists is paid. I agree and this is widely known I care the least for tem. But once there are Beatles, I have no problems, but knowing how IM fans are, this is going to skew them further. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: sularetal
Date Posted: October 09 2006 at 07:29
What a polite reply!!
Well I have an idea.... As you say, you don't want to go against freedom of speech but at the same time you are sick and tired of the emotional assault to which you 've been subjected (how offensive towards those (many) people who have REAL problems in their everyday lives!!!!). Why don't you stop writing in threads like those. Don't you think that will make everybody happy?
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: October 09 2006 at 09:25
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Dear Sularetal, have you seen what's written beside my name? As Admin, it is my duty to read what is written in any thread, and it is my right (as well as yours) to reply. If I had closed the thread or deleted and/or hidden the posts which I found offensive, then I would've gone against freedom of speech. There are things you don't know about the whole IM affair, and which were much more serious than my reaction to this thread. Toolis can defend himself, if he feels attacked by me. Anyway, before you jump to his defense and attack a person (me) who has spent a week being quiet while all sorts of offensive remarks about her work and that of the other Admins cropped up in the forums with alarming regularity, you should take a tour of aforesaid forums and seen what I've seen this last week. |
Posted By: sularetal
Date Posted: October 09 2006 at 11:10
Dear Ghost Rider,
Yeah but the fact that you are an admin doesn't change anything. If you feel so bad when you read IM addition related threads I'm sure you could avoid them. Moreover, I must say that I really follow the iron maiden addition conversations even before their addition. How did you reach to a conclusion like that?
If you are so irritated by all those threads and discussions you could easily stop coming in to the forums for a while. I don't care if your an admin. I'm sure the other admins will understand the terrible situation you are in. I don't really care what you 're gonna do. What I know is that if I want to discuss about IM's addition I have the right to.
Oh and the reason that I defended toolis is that apart from the fact he is my friend, I found your post really insulting (and imagine that you are an admin).
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Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: October 09 2006 at 20:31
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sularetal, I don´t think GhostRider could have written a more polite and diplomatic post.
It has been explained in countless threads why Iron Maiden were accepted.
Deal with it.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 09 2006 at 20:58
ahemm.... well I happen to find your post quite insulting as well.... so I will defend a friend... and myself as well. What GR is telling you... is this issue was discussed in private amoung those who decide what is and it not added to this site. You didn't see a word of it... that is the conlusion GR reached and was telling you in a hhaha polite way. I, not GR, pushed for the band to be added. I, to my great regret thanks to idiots out here, left GR the honor of adding the group.. putting a giant bulleye on GR when it should be on me. Iron Maiden are ...to quote another admin who shall remain nameless unless he joins this shindig... the prefect example of a Prog-Related group.. whose influences were prog.. and whose influence extends well into prog directly. The group was not added until the people who run this site signed off on it. You haven't followed anything of subtance my friend.. because you know nothing to follow. There were people who were for this.. and those against it. At the end of the day... eerr.. most shook hands and moved on to the next fight. Get over it.. paragraph 2 - I'm not sure what your mommy and daddy taught you kid... but you didn't learn manners. If my son spoke to someone like that.. and a lady at that, I'd put him over my knee and wack his ass till it was blue and purple. Disagree if you want... how about remaining civil. paragraph 3 - already covered above.. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Sasquamo
Date Posted: October 09 2006 at 21:16
| Well, I highly dislike Iron Maiden, but I guess I don't mind them being on the site as long as they don't start to overshadow the more pure prog bands and start to attract people to try to add less proggy bands to the site. I don't think that will happen, though. |
Posted By: SolariS
Date Posted: October 09 2006 at 23:14
Underrated albums will by definiton get surpassed by more popular ones....otherwise they wouldn't be underrated anymore. I think most people accept this as a consequence of ratings. If you want to have your favorite albums ranked high, then learn some html and make your own site. Ratings here are given by collectives of people. Collective implies agreement by the local popularity of users of the site. We're just a bunch of people who have similar tastes in music, so 'popular' bands within our group are naturally more likely to be enjoyed by the other users of the site; but of course, nothing is universally popular with everybody! Therefore, there will always be disagreement and discussion in reviews and on the forums. That's what keeps this site alive. deal with it. Rantings have been and always will be a superficial assignment made by a group of individuals who all like and dislike albums for differing reasons.
Actually it is a popularity list... a popularity list of progressive music.
Sounds like a personal problem. And for the record, Seventh Son is not considered a real prog album. That's why it's listed as prog-related. -------------
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 09 2006 at 23:46
hahhah... they wouldn't overshadow any pure prog groups... but for people like ...whoever the hell it was. that start threads like this.. there is serious debate going on behind the scenes as to the priorities of the site and the scope of future addtions. I wouldn't worry about less proggy bands being added. It won't... there are scores of real prog bands waited to be judged and admitted to the site.. that is the priority now. Iron Maiden's addition took a life of it's own out of a seperate debate, and was allowed to proceed by the powers that be. That won't happen again.. for a good long time I suspect hhahahah ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: October 09 2006 at 23:54
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I have to say that one of the things that drew me to this site is how broad it is. The scope of prog is very well covered. We shouldn't disdain more content, we should revel in it. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 10 2006 at 00:00
hahhahah... profound isn't that..... read that kids... PROG RELATED.... and anyone who'd shoot himself over this.... hahahha.. might as well do it.. and save some damn bandwidth here ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: October 10 2006 at 01:59
| Well, could the top list be modified in a way that it wouldn't count prog related releases in it? Hasn't this kind of discussion been around before? I think it would be a good solution. |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: October 10 2006 at 03:24
| It's been discussed Eetu, but for the time being they will remain. We're keeping an eye on that one though. |
Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: October 10 2006 at 04:15
my God, haven't you ever guys heard about sth called "figure of speech"? did you really take it literally? and since "Seventh Son.." is not considered a real prog album wht's it doing among all these real prog albums listed here? ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: October 10 2006 at 08:12
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Ok, too many threads for IM... in case you wish to continue it, go here:
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=29331&PN=4 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=29331&PN=4
Topic closed! ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |