Camel
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Topic: Camel
Posted By: darkshade
Subject: Camel
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 08:10
I got into Camel when i joined this site through the song samples (when you were able to D/L them) and loved them all. but up until yesterday, i owned 0 albums. i dont know why... so what do i do? i buy every studio album of there's except A Nod and a Wink (couldnt find it). even the not so good albums i find enjoyable. The Snow Goose and the debut are my favs right now, with Mirage and Moonmadness in close second, followed by Nude. after some intense listening all day, a question came to mind. why is this band so underrated on this site? and why are they not discussed as much as YES, Genesis, Dream Theater, ELP, Opeth, King Crimson, or any of the other giants of prog? the music is so beautiful and perfect it's mind boggling! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm 
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Posted By: disastercasper
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 08:14
| I agree, Camel is a fantastic band! Their music is so beautiful, symphonic, touching, emotional... My favourites are Mirage and The Snow Goose (like a lot of other people), but after A Live Record they start to dissapoint... but the first four albums and the live album are great! |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 08:24
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Rajaz, Harbour Of Tears, Dust And Dreams are IMHO, extremely well made albums, nothing bad at all. Just not up to par with the 70's albums, but still very good. i think the only one i wish i didnt buy was The Single Factor.
ive heard good things about A Nod and a Wink, and i have the one song from here "Squigely Fair", it's one of my favorite Camel tracks. so i'd imagine it's a good album? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Rosescar
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 08:27
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I don't like them so much. They got some great stand-out tracks but some others just don't appeal to me. I only have Mirage and the Snow Goose though.
------------- http://www.soundclick.com/rosescar/ - My music! "THE AUDIENCE WERE generally drugged. (In Holland, always)." - Robert Fripp |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 08:44
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They don't get discussed as much because there is a strong contingent of Progophiles who seem to think that they are somehow second division because;
a) They write fantastic and accessible melodies b) They don't go in for overblown virtuosity c) They stay away from mind-bending avante-garde d) They don't do polyrhythms or multi-tonalities None of that matters to me, though - Camel are one of my favourite bands; Premier division Prog in my opinion 
It may be a bit predictable, but Mirage is my favourite, followed by the less predictable Harbour of Tears. ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 08:49
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I wonder who thinks of them as second division, I think everybody loves Camel, so with no antagonists there will be no heated discussions around them. ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 08:58
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I've had A Nod And A Wink and Stationary Traveler for quite some time. The other night, however, I went on a bender and ordered Moonmadness, Snowgoose, Mirage, and Rain Dances. Really looking forward to diving right into these when they arrive.
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 09:04
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is A Nod and a Wink a worthy addition to my collection? Squiggley Fair is an excellent song. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: zbida
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 09:40
FIRST DIVISION. With no doubt.
Mirage, Snow Goose and Moonmadness are classic.
Darkshade - don't waste a minute! Buy A Nod And A Wink - some regard this is their return to "roots".
I've heard that Latimer, Ward and Ferguson made a new material lately. What a surprise! I can't wait to listen to it.
And hats off to Pete Bardens...
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Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 09:41
Listening to The Snow Goose as I type... what a great album!
New material from the original guys? This is great news!!! Where did you hear that? ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
zbida wrote:Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 09:44
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Got into the band lately after many unfruitful attempts, but it just 'clicked'. Bought their three mandatory albums, 'Mirage', 'The Snow Goose' and 'Moonmadness'. All great albums!
Next I will purchase (in no particular order) : Camel, A Live Record, Rain Dances, Harbour of Tears, Rajaz & A Nod and a Wink.
Any more suggestions anyone? I really love this band! ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: Firepuck
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 10:38
You bought all their albums (minus 1) in one fell swoop!?! Wow, I don't know what to say...
 Actually, I did the same thing with my golf clubs. The consenus among my friends was that the 7 iron was the club to start with, then work my way through to the more difficult ones. But I ended up saying the hell with it and bought the entire set, although I probably could have skipped the 1 iron!
 ------------- Kryten : "'Pub'? Ah yes, A meeting place where humans attempt to achieve advanced states of mental incompetence by the repeated consumption of fermented vegetable drinks." |
Posted By: Lofcaudio
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 11:14
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I only have the three classics, but am considering diving into some of their more recent stuff. But of the three classic albums of theirs, I would rate them like this: 1. Moonmadness 2. Mirage 3. The Snow Goose |
Posted By: white_russian
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 12:36
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i agree, camel is a fantastic band and is definetly among my favourites. i'm not too familiar with their later releases, but the classics moonmadness, mirage and the snow goose have to be some of the greatest prog records of the 70's. their best moment though is in my opinion the very emotional live version of ice on coming of age. pure brilliance!
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 12:40
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Camel have written some brilliant songs, though many feel because they appeared relatively late in 1973 some of their music contains many influences, using keyboards and flute. Personally i think they're a fantastic group and lately have been reacquainting myself with their music, having not heard very much of them for many years. Their early albums are good, my favourite is "Mirage" "Camel" and "Snowgoose" is a grower!
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Posted By: Tony Fisher
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 12:41
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I have: Camel 4* Mirage 5* Snow Goose 5*+ Moonmadness 5*+ Rain Dances 4* Breathless 3* I Can See Your House From Here 3* Nude 5* The Single Factor 3* Stationary Traveller 4* A Live Record 5*+ Pressure Points 4* on vinyl and Rajaz 5* A Nod and A Wink 4* on CD This band are Premier League without doubt; in fact, my favourite band. Certif1ied has hit the nail on the head as to why some rubbish them: they're not pretentious. Exactly the same reason some rubbish my second favourite band, Mostly Autumn, in fact. |
Posted By: R_DeNIRO
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 12:42
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For me Camel is the best band in the 70's prog. Call me subjective, I don't care, only Pink Floyd can be compared with them. Yes, Crimson, Genesis... all of them are maybe more complex, but Camel touch emotions like any other band.
I'm the only one who thinks that "Air Born" have one of the best beginings of a song in the history of music? ------------- We were always be much human than we whish to be. |
Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 12:49
I have : Mirage
Snow Goose Moonmadness Which do you suggest I buy next ? ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 12:50
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Second division? Absolute nonsense- I don't get how a band as musically adept as Camel but with such a strong sense of melody and emotion could be shunned with such an underhand term.
My personal favourite is 'Nude'- a masterpiece of prog that simply doesn't get the credit it deserves. It's arguably their best album to these ears, in that it sums up their career in a way. 'The Snow Goose' runs it close, but I like them all bar 'The Single Factor' and even that isn't terrible.
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Posted By: nrn428
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 12:52
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I was at a party a couple of weeks ago and brought the Camel Footage DVD. Everybody loved it.
GREAT BAND!!! ------------- And the seven trumpets blowing sweet rock and roll, gonna blow right down inside your soul. |
Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 12:56
| About Nude, had a listening session with my Dad once, we both loved it. A great band. Stationary Traveller is a good album, Melomaniac!! |
Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 12:58
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^ Thanks for the info! Another band I might end up owning the complete discography... ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 13:01
Camel is one of the few classic symphonic rock bands I where I witnessed many women on their concerts  I use to describe their albums (until Stationary Traveller) as 'warm bath symphonic rock', it sounds so melodic, harmonic and moving and you can feel the emotion, especially when Andy Latimer delivers another compelling guitar solo. I have seen Camel many times between 1981 and now: the concerts were always sold out, the atmosphere was always great and Camel never disappointed so perhaps Second Division but being in the Premier League doesn't mean you play attractive .. I tend to say, in contrary ...
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 13:03
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'Stationary Traveller' is a good album for sure, but to these ears it sounds rather too much like the Alan Parsons Project at times. The best bits are the instrumental sections, which sound the most like the Camel of old, ironically enough. |
Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 13:03
| Erik, did you see them in Rotterdam around 82/83? Can't remember the year. Was in the Doelen. |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 13:08
I have seen the Nude tour in 1981 in The Hague, one of their best 
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Posted By: Tony Fisher
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 13:44
Actually, I'd get their "A Live Record" next. Once you've heard them live, you can't be in any doubt as to their talent. Then try Nude, which is another brilliant concept album loosely based on the life of Lieutenant Hiroo Onoda (hence Nude), a Japanese soldier who fought on for 28 years after 1945. It's the best album from their 80s output. Enjoy them! |
Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 15:17
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^ Thanks Tony! For the live material, I heard the bonus tracks on the rereleases, and I don't doubt!!!
Nude it will be! Read a few reviews on PA, and I want to hear it! ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: Cluster One
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 15:47
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Just a bit of trivia here, but pertinent I think, if only to show you how well thought-of CAMEL is... Before starting his current solo Dark Side tour Roger Waters looked for a lead guitarist of sufficient stature and ability to play Gilmour's parts in his many Floyd tunes. He met with Andy Lattimer, because not only was he a fan of Camel (well as much of a fan as WATERS could be of anything I shoud say), but he knew Andy could fill-in without skipping a beat. Andy's voice unfortunately was incompatible with many of the high-register Gilmour vocals and so both Lattimer and Waters realized disappointingly that Andy was not well-suited. Dave Kilminster (brother of Lemmy) filled the role of lead guitarist for this tour. Just an aside. Yes I love Camel  (Snow Goose my fave), and yes I will be seeing Roger Waters tomorrow night in Montreal ------------- Marmalade...I like marmalade. |
Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 15:49
Latimer playing some Floyd? That would have been amazing!!!
Bell Center tomorrow night???
 Going to miss it!------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: Camel_APPeal
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 16:29
OK, you can get Nude as you're already planning to, but you may also enjoy Rajaz or Nod and a Wink.
Their 80's stuff might be weaker than their earlier and later work, but I think it's better than most of the 80's works of other prog greats!
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"After all, it's music what we're talking about here, so there's no best or worst; just what you like and what you don't" |
Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 16:34
Listened to one song from both Rajaz and Nod & a Wink, and I will get both for sure, after Nude. ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 18:14
Definitely yes, if you like its predecessors, "Dust And Dreams", "Harbour of Tears" and "Rajaz". ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: Nanook
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 21:29
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As I type I'm listening to Harbour of Tears. Good stuff, and I've never heard a note of it on the radio. Ever. What a shame that is.
I stumbled across Camel back in 2003 when I picked up a copy of Progression magazine. Then I came across this site, and was exposed to more of their music. I'm slowly amassing their entire discography. It's too bad I didn't discover them earlier, but better late than never. Great band, and very underrated. ------------- Bring me my broadsword, and clear understanding. |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 21:34
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Camel are definitely one of my favorite classic Prog bands. A Live Record is a masterpiece, just check out my review for it. The performance of The Snow Goose is breathtaking and so emotional.
------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 21:35
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Sometimes they can be boring, but otherwise they're cool. -------------  
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 21:39
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listening to the debut, i realize the band had a great deal of influence on early metal (NWOBHM moreso) and power metal. a lot of the first album reminds me of the first Maiden album. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 21:48
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I used to like them, but they didn't stand the test of time with me. today they simply bore me. in lack of a better term it is probably because they are too "harmless"
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Posted By: Tenth Chaffinch
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 23:37
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I don't think I've ever been bored by Camel. I can listen to Moonmadness, The Snow Goose, or Rain Dances for days on end and not get tired. Not to mention that their discography goes on for decades without releasing (in my opinion) a single truly weak album. Even the later releases (Rajaz and Dust and Dreams being my personal favorties) stand just as strong as their most popular early albums. ------------- www.myspace.com/fatherunderground |
Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 23:44
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I think Camel's music is great but I have to be in a really laid back mood to listen to it. Bald Jean describes it as "harmless". Not wrong there - I prefer my music with a little more sonic resonance. ------------- 
"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence" - Robert Fripp |
Posted By: zbida
Date Posted: September 21 2006 at 03:06
I've heard this from Camelproductions.
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 21 2006 at 03:34
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New Camel music? Righteous!
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Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: September 21 2006 at 09:25
I partly agree with camel appeal... their '80's stuff are indeed boring
 in fact, I'd say even those three you mentioned before are enough for a serious prog collection ! They simply lost their magic after Moonmadness, probably due to departure of Doug Ferguson... I really don't understand one man, even an insignificant one in songwriting, can change the style so much.Nevertheless, I recommend you to have a look at these albums, they are not great IMHO, but I still enjoy them...
self titled debut: especially important to track down the development of this impoırtant band
Harbour of Tears: after a series of dull albums throught the '80's, this is a great refreshment! the style is completely different, and even the music hardly qualifies as "Camel", but a very decent modern times prog album...
Rajaz: Even better than the previous one! Shows close approaching to their classic style... I think it would qualify one of the "prog re-awakening" albums of '99...
Nod and a Wink: I sometimes get bored listening to this (no wonder, I haven't listened to it for over a year!) but the music is by no means bad... "different" at the very best...
Rain Dances: If Moonmadness is the last great Camel album (ideas vary, as you all know
!), this one is the last "good" one before Harbour in my book. P.S. I just checked to confirm Ferguson's name from the band's homepage, and found out what I have just written matches up with the original info given for the band! Even the representative albums, which are determined automatically by ratings!!! check it out: http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=50 - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=50
in Turkish we have a saying which roughly translates: Way of reason is one !------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: Camel_APPeal
Date Posted: September 21 2006 at 15:27
It wasn't the departure of Doug Ferguson alone what changed their style; it was the inclusion of Richard Sinclair that gave the band another direction. A direction I really enjoy as much as the previous line up, btw!
In other words, the departure of a non-songwriting member and the arrival of an active songwriter will definitely change the style of a band!
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"After all, it's music what we're talking about here, so there's no best or worst; just what you like and what you don't" |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 03:27
I think that says more about the listener than the band  ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 06:30
and the listener is damn wise !!!!!!!!!!!------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 08:00
For being bored of Camel? That doesn't sound very wise to me  ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 08:55
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You can get bored of anything...
Camel seems more likely, especailly when you eventually move into more avant-garde genres... I admit I still enjoy their first four albums + more recent material; but I simply don't have the desire to listen to them (even the magnificent Moonmadness) unless I have a stimulator... Like this thread; after I posted I went home and listened from Harbour of Tears onwards ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: Tenth Chaffinch
Date Posted: September 23 2006 at 16:17
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Camel, in my opinion was great with Ferguson. When Sinclair came into the band it was just as good as before, it just had a different (more complex and cultured) style. I prefer Rain Dances to The Snow Goose in all honesty. It's all a matter of perspective. ------------- www.myspace.com/fatherunderground |
Posted By: Tenth Chaffinch
Date Posted: September 23 2006 at 16:19
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I can't find Rajaz, can anyone tell me where to find it? ------------- www.myspace.com/fatherunderground |
Posted By: NecroManiac
Date Posted: September 23 2006 at 17:04
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Get "A Live Record" for a superior version of Snow Goose, preformed with the The London Symphony Orchestra!!!!!! ------------- 
What's yer faovrite album? =^_^= |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: September 24 2006 at 14:24
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I think Camel gets talked about quite a bit. Specially in polls... but, what do I know... ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: Drumolator
Date Posted: December 23 2006 at 20:47
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Camel is one of my favorite bands. I like everything from the first album up through Rain Dances. Of the newer ones I ilke Rajaz, The Paris Collection, and A Nod and a Wink. Melody is what I find most attractive in any music (which is a bit ironic because I have been a drummer for almost all my life). Camel's music is beautifully melodic. Peace. ------------- Mark Wellman "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 23 2006 at 20:50
| I just got a Camel cd. I got Moonmadness on a recommendation and I love it. Soon I will get Snow Goose and Mirage. After that, I don't know. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 23 2006 at 20:55
Don't hate them but honestly Camel works as Ativan with me, sends me to sleep.
I tried, honestly I tried to like them, bought the self toitled and Moonmadnes but both are plain boring for my taste.
I really don't like to disloike Prog bands but taste is something hard to control.
Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: December 23 2006 at 20:59
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I've been on a Camel kick lately. I have Never Let Go and Breathless on order, but did get A Live Record, Coming Of Age--both are tremendous. The ones I have are Mirage, Moonmadness, Snowgoose, Rain Dances, Stationary Traveler, and A Nod And A Wink.
Now, we are traveling to Wisconsin for Christmas and plan to hit Rush Mor Records on Wednesday. Guys, if you ever go to Milwaukee, you have to go to Rush Mor. The owner is a prog nut and specializes in stocking good prog (I spent $150 there last year). I've contacted them and they do have Camel's remastered debut and Nude in stock...which I'm buying. Hoping to get a Camel DVD, too. E -------------
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: December 23 2006 at 21:17
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I like Camel. I think it may be my favorite symphonic prog band from the 70's. I'm thinking in ordering A Live Record this christmas if there's money left from all of my mom's shopping raves. Their recent studio albums are also great. A Nod and a Wink, Rajaz, The Harbour of Tears are all excellent albums. I personally enjoy A Nod and a Wink more since it sounds very playful like music for one's childhood or something similar. Anyways, great band. ------------- 
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Posted By: SlipperFink
Date Posted: December 23 2006 at 21:31
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I gotta be missing something.
I really mean it. Man... My buddy Ray Kazinski wuz trying to get me into these guys in 75'. I've had SG and MM since they were new records. I tried. I really did. I even got stoned out of my gourd a few times and tried to like them. Boring. Boring. Boring. Sounds like a bunch of cats who can't cut the mustard as a fusion band. Sorry. I'm going to try again soon. Last try approx. Oct. 2006. Still sounded like dreadful fusion band. SM. ------------- Modesty is an ornament, but one goes further without it. Old German Proverb |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 23 2006 at 21:33
| Maybe your missing the ability to like it. It was weird for my first listen but I liked it after that. I guess it was because no one was trying to get me to like it and I was not expecting anything. |
Posted By: Tenth Chaffinch
Date Posted: December 23 2006 at 21:45
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Camel in my eyes is one of the giants of prog. I prefer them to Yes, and I enjoy Latimers extensive array of styles and cultures. The first four were fantastic, and even the transitional albums were excellent. "Song Within a Song" "The Snow Goose" and "Unevensong" are all classics. I'd say my favorite albums are Rain Dances and the more recent Rajaz. Camel still produces excellent music today. They are definately up to the caliber of giants like The Moody Blues, Genesis, Pink Floyd, ELP, and Gentle Giant. ------------- www.myspace.com/fatherunderground |
Posted By: smithers
Date Posted: December 23 2006 at 22:20
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Camel should be in the big 5. They did alot more than Crimson did in the 70s. I think they write very good music, while Crimson's music doesn't quite excite me apart from In the wake of Poseidon and some of Lizard. I must say that Mirage and Snowgoose are a bit ovarrated. I think Camels first album is better than both and the late 70s stuff is underated. Nude is cool to. Here is my big 5 in order of greatness
Tull
Camel
Gentle Giant
YES
Genesis
Thankyou :)
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Posted By: SlipperFink
Date Posted: December 23 2006 at 23:21
I hear ya. I really am dissapointed and amazed I can't hear what people who love a lotta the same stuff I do see in this band. Kills me. I always loved their album covers. Sad as it may sound, it kinda sucks to love the covers and not like the band. HOHOHO. Prog-kid thing. Well... Anyhoo. I'm not gonna stop trying. I am going to take my yearly pilgrimage with the wife to the Dandanong Mountains(Victoria Australia) in the Spring... I get to do NOTHING for about 11-12 days but sit in the jaccuzzi and smoke cigars, listen to music for fun(not listen to it for work - which is what I do the rest of the year), wander the rainforest and generally just eat too much. I have been even known to smoke some pot when I'm down there, something that hasn't been a part of my 'regular life' since the early 80's... We got a pretty killer stereo in the cabin and I'm gonna take SnowGoose and Moon Madness and try again. I really am. Wish me luck, and best regards to all the Camel fans. I envy you and am hoping to join you one day. SM. ------------- Modesty is an ornament, but one goes further without it. Old German Proverb |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 24 2006 at 05:07
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^^Good luck.
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Posted By: Losendos
Date Posted: December 24 2006 at 05:58
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I have a different view of Camel to those already expressed. I find 20 per cent of what they do to be absolute genius , forty per cent to be mediocre and forty per cent to me sounds like they are just jamming on to fill up the record. Probably they had to rely too heavily on Latimer.
Yes Genesis and Floyd have an advantage over the other prog bands because they seem to have a longer list of composers and more members capable of genius. That to me is why they are the top 3 in prog history with ELP 4th. Camel , King Crimson Tull and Mike Oldfield are part of the second tier because they rely so heavily on one member imho ------------- How wonderful to be so profound |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 24 2006 at 09:47
| Moonmadness (the only Camel album I own so far) is amazing! Can't wait to get more. They jumped to my top 5 favorite bands. |
Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: December 24 2006 at 09:49
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I have their three classic album downloaded. I found them boring, except for Lunar Sea and Lady Fantasy. The Snow Goose was almost boring all the way through except for a few funky parts that I liked. -------------
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 24 2006 at 09:55
Did you read any reviews and look at stuff before you got them? I just picked up a Cd because I've heard the name. Didn't have any expectations and I was amazed. |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 24 2006 at 11:11
| I just ordered Camel, Mirage, and Snow Goose. Just because I liked Moonmadness. |
Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: December 24 2006 at 11:26
I heard Lady Fantasy and loved it. So I got their stuff and was dissapointed. Maybe you need to be high to appreciate it. -------------
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 24 2006 at 11:28
No that would be wrong. I wasn't high when I listened to them. I was wide awake. And in full mental health, so don't go asking about that!
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Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: December 24 2006 at 11:33
Maybe I just give the another try. They seem like a pretty good band judging from what everyone says about them, they just didn't do anything for me. -------------
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 24 2006 at 12:44
I rubbish Mostly Autumn because I think they are boring and, yes, rubbish! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 24 2006 at 13:57
| I picked up The Snow Goose in the sales yesterday for a fiver along with a Dream Theater 2 live CD. I like Camel for the melody,musicianship and composition. I don't feel they are a band that knock you backwards but they are very good.Not as good as ELP,Yes,Genesis,Pink Floyd ,Rush,King Crimson or Tull but very worthy all the same.The Channel Four programme aired several years ago about prog rock (fronted by Bill Bailey) had them just sneaking into the top ten if I remember corrrectly.Seems about right to me. |
Posted By: Daysbetween
Date Posted: December 24 2006 at 14:58
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I think there are two reasons Camel are under-rated. First off they were late-comers to an already crowded UK scene and secondly they were a bit dull live! I personally love the band and got the first album when it was released. Like most people I think they have three great albums in Snow Goose, Moonmadness & Mirage but I have always kept up with their output and own a full set. I also saw the band live a few times in the 70's and they were pretty boring especially when compared to the competition.Lower reaches of 1st division would probably be about right. |
Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: December 24 2006 at 20:33
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Wow, lets get this right.
The Super Seven are as follows:
Yes
ELP
Gentle Giant
King Crimson
Van Der Graaf Generator
Camel
Genesis
The Great Progressive Oriented Groups of the 70s.
Jethro Tull
Rush
Moody Blues
Renaissance (arguable) they could be in the Super Seven
Barclay James Harvest
Kansas (arguable)
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: December 24 2006 at 22:07
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I'm acquainted with Camel, partly. I know the song "Mystic Queen", I have the whole Mirage on a cassette, and I listened to the half of Snow Goose on radio (don't know, however, which half).
They seem to me "faceless", in some sense. As if they lack their own style. They sound like X here and like Y there, but never (to my ears) like something specific, which has to be called "like Camel".
And, much more important -- they sound (for me) as if they are full of good ideas, but these ideas aren't put together into melodies. Their music seems to me discrete (somehow different parts of pieces are unrelated to one another), or directionless.
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Posted By: Losendos
Date Posted: December 25 2006 at 20:04
Pink Floyd ?
It is clear to me after 18 odd months at this site that 3 bands are the most universally popular PinK Floyd yes and Genesis . I don't see the need for so much discussion when something is already clear. ------------- How wonderful to be so profound |
Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: December 28 2006 at 04:37
Good rating - I concur. As with many others, Camel is an under-rated prog band. At times though, they can sound almost 'techno-pop,' so maybe that is what keeps them from '1970s prog' greatness.... |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 28 2006 at 18:06
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I got Camel, Mirage, and The Snow Goose today.
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Posted By: OGTL
Date Posted: December 28 2006 at 21:10
Most certainly not.. But it does heighten the experience. |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 28 2006 at 21:11
Most certainly not what?
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Posted By: freekske
Date Posted: December 28 2006 at 21:13
Mirage was one of the best things that every happened to me  Hope you enjoy it as much as I did.-------------  Yes it is!!
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Posted By: OGTL
Date Posted: December 28 2006 at 21:15
Read edited post. I pressed "reply" when I was going to press "quote" 
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 28 2006 at 21:21
Oh. 
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