My growing King Crimson collection
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Topic: My growing King Crimson collection
Posted By: E-Dub
Subject: My growing King Crimson collection
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 06:46
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I'm building quite the King Crimson collection in a pretty short period of time. My most recent purchase has been Larks' Tongues In Aspic and VROOOM VROOOM (which I'm really enjoying so far). The above selections are all down at my favorite CD shop in the city; so, what would be the next one that I should go after?
Thanks in advance, E ------------- 
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Posted By: MattiR
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 06:53
I think "Starless And Bible Black" will be excellent purchase for you, as a logical continuation of "Larks'..."
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Posted By: mickstafa
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 07:15
| Lizard!! |
Posted By: Asphalt
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 07:16
| yeah, at this point starless and bible black is a must have; followed closely by islands and three of a perfect pair |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 07:24
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Earthbound should be the last thing you'll by (if at all). It is not a successful live album.
All the rest are musts, in my opinion. Let's go according to the tastes, however. If you don't enjoy Discipline and only bear with Beat, but nothing more, I'm not sure you need Three of a Perfect Pair. But I, personally, like this album very much.
If you like Vrooom, Thrak, B'Boom, Vrooom Vrooom, you'll probably enjoy ThraKaTTack also. If you like to be "scared" (in a positive sense, though) by the music, buy it.
If you want to switch to something new and challenging, go for Lizard.
 As said, Starless and Bible Black is a logical continuation of Larks' Tongues in Aspic, and In the Wake of Poseidon is a logical continuation of In the Court of the Crimson King, as well as Islands (in some sense).
So, decide, and I'm sure you'll not be disappointed.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 07:25
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KC is not a band with a definite style or personality. You should try to listen to the records before purchasing them, otherwise the disapointment might be huge . At least that's my experience. I love the symphonic phase 69-72, I enjoy parts of the 73-74 records and I just can't connect with the A.Belew records.
I don't know if that's helpful to you.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 07:37
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Lizrad, first and foremost
Poseidon and Island next.
SABB and TOAPP next.
instead of Earthbound try to find the Collector's club Ladies Of The Road. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Open-Mind
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 08:32
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In the Wake of Poseidon
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 08:56
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I like the 80's era Discipline and Beat; but, in terms of the Belew era KC, I'm liking the 90's to TP2B a little more. I'm tellin' ya, though, VROOOM VROOOM is going to be hard to beat. Really enjoying that so far.
Starless and Perfect Pair have intrigued me the most, though. Heck, I should just buy both! E -------------
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Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 09:19
I should agree... I would vote Lizard (my earlier KC fave... now I'd choose between this and ItCotCK...) I didn't vote anyway
My least suggestion would be ToaPP, then Thrakattak... ToaPP is the weakest of all '80's albums, and Thrakattak has almost nothing to do whatsoever with the studio albums and EPs around that time. It's purely improvisational (and I don't think these improvisations are as enjoyable as the jazzy improvs of early seventies KC) and indeed scary, as Fassbinder mentioned.
SaBB has nothing new, IMHO... it's like a mixture of short poppy songs in Larks', and long-winding jams of Red. Since you seem to have both albums, better go for something new. Oh, if you also happen to see the 4 CD set Great Deceiver, get it! You'll have a clear picture of what you'll see in Starless... (plus more '73-'74 improvisations  )------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Sean Trane wrote:Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 09:31
SaBB is much better. Don't even waste your time with ToaPP. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Dirk
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 09:59
| Lizard with Islands as a close second. |
Posted By: Harry Hood
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 10:29
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If you're liking the Belew stuff more, Three Of A Perfect Pair, if you enjoy the old stuff more, go with Lizard. ------------- 
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 10:59
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Starless, then Lizard. ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 11:12
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In the Wake of Poseidon is as much a must-have as In The Court... is. In fact I prefer ITWOP to ITCOTCK. ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: tortellino
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 13:00
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From te ones you listed, next you must get is either "Islands" or "SaBB"... Given my momentary mood, I'd go with the first one, more mellow and peaceful. ------------- tengo 'na minchia tanta |
Posted By: proger
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 13:04
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Or SABB or Islands... their both are very .... ------------- ...live for tomorrow... |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 15:26
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Are you documenting every step you take when it comes to Crimson? Next poll will be about the pictures of Fripp to download from Google... well, get Lizard ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: sm sm
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 15:26
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Since you really enjoy VROOM..., then get TRAK.. as it is in the same period and same sound.
While not mentioned, you may consider RED which is in the same mold as Larks.. along with Starless
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 15:41
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The ones not listed are the ones that I already have (I've got both THRAK and Red).
The winner is Starless & Bible Black. Picked it up at lunch and out of the Wetton era, this could be my favorite. Of course it will take more listens, but it's really struck a chord with me so far. Thanks for the suggestions!! E -------------
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 16:47
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Starless and Three ------------- 
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 18:28
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Of the ones I know, Starless And Bible Black is the best of them IMO.
------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: bruin69
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 20:11
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Lizard for its melodic qualities, then Islands and Starless ------------- A dog is for lunch and not just for breakfast |
Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 03:52
 very funny, indeed!
besides; I agree about the album as well ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 03:57
Instead of "Starless And Bible Black" album, get "The Night Watch", which has the entire liveshow which makes about 60% of SaBB album! 
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Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 09:12
Of the others on the list I would try for Lizard. The only KC albums that have disappointed me have been Islands manily because of Boz Burrells vocals, & Earthbound is perhaps their most disappointing live album.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 11:22
| You should check out The power to believe if you don't have it. |
Posted By: k_crimson
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 11:27
It's hard to listen to a KC album once and know if you like it or not. It took me a long time to like Lizard, but now it is in my top 3 or 4. ------------- "the wall on which the prophets wrote is cracking at the seams." |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 16:07
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The Power To Believe is one of my favorites, if not my favorite.
K. Crimson hit the nail on the head. When I first started listening to King Crimson, I had a tough time. Part of me wanted to sell the discs or trade them in, but I held on hoping they'd catch on. I can't say that the 2nd or even 3rd listen caught on; but, when I listened to The Power To Believe again a few weeks ago, it really clicked with me. Oh, and one other thing...is there a better live KC disc than VROOOM VROOOM? If there is, I want to get it because V2 is wildly entertaining. E -------------
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 16:35
"B'Boom" is pretty good, but I think the favorite is "The Night Watch." I only have these two, but I think a consensus would also bear this out. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 17:05
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bhikkhu, I'll definitely look into them. It'll be hard to beat V2, however. Man, is that a powerful live disc. Now I know why people say their live stuff is better than the studio.
E iTunes: "Hard As Love" from Marillion's Made Again -------------
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Posted By: Harry Hood
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 17:33
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"Absent Lovers" is another great live album. -------------
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Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 18:45
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Go with Lizard or Islands (or both!) ------------- 
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Posted By: superprog
Date Posted: September 21 2006 at 03:46
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at this point u wldve probably gotten everything hahah
if not, i believ u might be missing Thrakattahk..........u shld be all ready for it!!!! IMPROV till u die....
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Posted By: pero
Date Posted: September 21 2006 at 06:26
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ISLANDS is most underrated diamond in KC opus.
After Islands get In a wake of Poseidon, Lizard and Starless and bible black
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Posted By: MattiR
Date Posted: September 21 2006 at 12:32
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Posted By: blindtoad
Date Posted: October 20 2006 at 23:50
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Starless is what I called an easy album no 20 minutes songs... great rock... great voice... it just rock! you can explore something that KC gives to prog the true and hard ROCK!... but Lizard is second barely because of Lizard... 20 minutes of perfection... different classical instruments in too... ------------- quelqu'un pour un jam? blindtoad = Poor english... |
Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: October 21 2006 at 00:09
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OH! You need to hear Night Watch and Trio...two of the (sniff) most beautiful prog rockers every recorded. And Great Deciever ain't too shabby neither...Fracture's nice too. ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: Epitath
Date Posted: October 21 2006 at 05:33
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Starless and Bible black is just a better album compaired to the other ones in this poll. ------------- 
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: October 21 2006 at 09:20
| Island has grown a lot on me lately. Probably my favourite KC album at the moment. A great, underrated album. |
Posted By: SolariS
Date Posted: October 21 2006 at 12:28
Do NOT stop adding to your collection until you have islands! -------------  
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Posted By: Terra Australis
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 06:04
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Starless Buy this for Fracture. An amazing piece of music. ------------- Allomerus. Music with progressive intent. http://allomerus.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - http://allomerus.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: Pulse
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 10:38
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Definitely Lizard! It takes a little time to get used to Gorden Haskells vocals, but once you do you'll love Lizard. It's worth the price for the title track, King Crimson's only epic. |
Posted By: the icon of sin
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 17:30
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"Lizard" is special on so many levels. Crimson never did aything like it again, the lineup never toured, and the only song which ever really made it into future setlists was "Cirkus", which made it into concerts by the 1972 "Islands" lineup, and not much else. Worth it for the uniqueness among their discography. Try "Starless" next to complete the 73-4 trio. |
Posted By: UtUmNo1
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 23:52
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Lizard for me.
The title track doesn't get the kudos it deserves.
Excellent stuff.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 23:58
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In the Wake of Poseidon, just for the beautiful title track. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Publius84
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 16:58
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Buy Lizard, then Starless. Or buy both at the same time ;) ------------- I know what I like and I like what I know... Prog is in my heart, in my mind, in my soul... |
Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: November 28 2006 at 06:32
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I love Earthbound but it's definitely King Crimson's Marmite album (you either love it or hate it) so i voted for Starless and Bible Black. ------------- "The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time." |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: November 28 2006 at 07:14
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Posted By: progadicto
Date Posted: November 28 2006 at 11:29
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Definetively... STARLESS AND BIBLE BLACK... ------------- ... E N E L B U N K E R... |
Posted By: yesfan88
Date Posted: November 28 2006 at 13:50
I agree. ------------- "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"- Evelyn Beatrice Hall |
Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: November 28 2006 at 18:00
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Starless, then Lizard
If don't have them already, get Red and Discipline
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Posted By: Wutu Banale
Date Posted: November 29 2006 at 11:00
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Lizard of course. It's almost as good as the debut. Mellotron and Saxophone rock on this one. ------------- Käsittämättömän käsittämätöntä Suurta ja arvostettavaa. |
Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: November 29 2006 at 20:45
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Lizard and Starless. I've only listen to Islands a few times; but so far I find it a bit of a step down from Lizard. Lizard had so many great ideas in it and matured the sound of symphonic prog, for 1970 its a masterpiece considering what else was out there. ------------- |