? for those with 1,000+ albums...
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Topic: ? for those with 1,000+ albums...
Posted By: soundsweird
Subject: ? for those with 1,000+ albums...
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 00:58
Years ago, when I had only a few hundred albums (counting all of my vinyl, cassettes and CD's), I had no trouble remembering the good and bad tracks on any given album. Now, with about 2,000 CD's and 1,000 LP's, there's just no way to remember unless it's some album I grew up with or have heard dozens of times. I finally started putting a Post-It note on each album as I listened to it, grading each song, and this has helped me to find favorite tracks and avoid despised cuts. Most of my prog albums are burned into my memory, so they're not a problem. However, let's say you have some album of World Music, and all the song titles look like gibberish. How you gonna find your favorite track?
So, my question to those of you with similarly large collections, is this: do you just listen to the whole album no matter what, do you have some system like mine, or do you have an unusually good memory?
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Posted By: Dragon Phoenix
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 01:17
The really good songs (the 600 or so that I rate 9-10/10) I have burned together on seperate CD's.
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 10:39
I've made mp3's of 90% of my whole CD collestion. Much easier, with the chance to make playlists etc.. Vinyl, I rarely play just one track, so its not really an issue.
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Posted By: purpleblues1
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 10:48
I think it's an age thing..used to be able to remember track listings etc, as well as whether I,d read a book or not.......nowadays have to refer to winamp playlist for music on PC - tried post it notes on new CD's , but they get pulled off in the filing system. But as I tend to buy asnd listen to new CD's, then go back to old favourites as the mood takes me.At the moment am listening to old Hawkwind , Led Zeppelin live bootlegs, Prince back catalogue and new CDs by Bombay Dub Orchestra, Jimmy Thackery,as well as old favs from Iron Maiden ,Saxon ,Whitesnake and the Thievery Corporation!
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 10:49
With my LP's, I did a small trick: I left a little mark with a small electronic screwdriver beside (before or left side of) the tracks i liked/loved into the cardboard so it left a barely notable dent . I did the same but on the right side (after) of the tracks I enjoyed but not asmuch. So those left with no markings were the ones I wanted to avoid.
Of course with CDs and their small paper booklets, this was impossible so I did the same with a small pencil >> still barely noticeable.
Of couse with my Cd-Rs I have no such problems since I onlytake the ones I like. Neither did I with cassettes.
So I check out the CD track list and program according to what I like. Of course I can always push the skip >>! button if I hate it too much.
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 13:28
Been collecting 45 years, helped by gettin considerable discount working in a record shop, and over the last 20 years doing a radio show, so the collection has grow too large with begged and unsolicited promos. And for instance I may see from record companies and try to hear 10 new albums a month mostly of unknown quality - as well as the albums I buy for my own pleasure. I've grown really chosey, and hear a lot of the old in the new, rarely for the better. It really has to be a very good new album to be heard all the way through nowadays - and perhaps a belated discovery of Kevin Gilbert's Shaming Of the True, Soft Machine's Grides have done that for me this year. But last year most of Cuneiform records releases were pretty damned good.
In compiling a 3 hour radio show each week (purely on a part-timer basis), trying have a balance of the new and the old at approx 60:40, then 30 weeks a year, I tend to do a lot of sampling 1 to 2 minutes of tracks from a lot of albums. But I because I normally walk into work, a discman is my essential travel companion - and so 45 minute per day plus maybe 20 minutes at a handful of lunch breaks allows a lot more of an album to be heard. On occasion when I have to do a long car journey on business, then 6 complete albums can get heard - although the poorer ones will be patiently heard for 4 tracks, and the rest of the tracks sampled for about a minute to hear if things get any better but then removed for something more pleasurable.
The dj ethos prevails in me, since I tend to play favourite tracks rather than whole well-known album for pleasure. And because of this I love putting sample CDs together, because there are very few fully satisfactory albums I want to hear right the way through. The compilations started with a 4 CD set of my favourite jazz rock tracks when I first got a CD burner on my PC (BTW I've now got the 4 down to one CD, and written up for the Abstract Logix website). However, since I've done compilation of prog tracks but by less obvious bands (partly to educate a 17 year old fan of the show who had suddenly discovered prog about 6 years ago), a two CD set of the evolution of brass rock, favourite Indo-jazz fusion, favourite nu.fusion, evolution of prog from garage and psychedelia (1964 - 1971), the best of the Johansson brother, the Jonas Hellborg, Kevin Gilbert, British blues boom tracks, favorite tracks from vinyl (which either not been released on CD or if released on CD, not bought having only the one track worth worrying about).
Currently sampling great riffs (known and unknown) from albums to be made up for some radio jingles. One of the station's jingle-making whizs took my samples of Terry Riley, Krimson, Kansas, Gary Lucas, Chicago, Edgar Brougton Band, Mahvishnu Orchestra, Lifetime, Procupine Tree, Holdsworth, Zappa etc, and produced three excellent 40 second programme IDs for me - check out the ALT2 for these when it comes back on the air.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 14:08
soundsweird wrote:
So, my question to those of you with similarly large collections, is this: do you just listen to the whole album no matter what, do you have some system like mine, or do you have an unusually good memory?
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I ripped all my albums as high resolution mp3 files ... I listen to them using Winamp, which allows me to access & browse the albums easily. Currently the media library contains 18,000 tracks (1,500 albums), and I don't have any problem finding stuff to listen to.
As for individual tracks ... I rather think in terms of albums, and if I decide to listen to an album I'll listen to it as a whole (maybe I'll start skipping tracks when I'm bored).
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 15:49
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
soundsweird wrote:
So, my question to those of you with similarly large collections, is
this: do you just listen to the whole album no matter what, do you have
some system like mine, or do you have an unusually good memory?
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I
ripped all my albums as high resolution mp3 files ... I listen to them
using Winamp, which allows me to access & browse the albums easily.
Currently the media library contains 18,000 tracks (1,500 albums), and
I don't have any problem finding stuff to listen to.
As for
individual tracks ... I rather think in terms of albums, and if I
decide to listen to an album I'll listen to it as a whole (maybe I'll
start skipping tracks when I'm bored).
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Mike what annoys me about MP3 is the dropout between tracks - it
was really annoying listening to the originally continuous
soundtrack fo Kevin Gilbert The Shaming Of The True on that format
fading and coming back between tracks. Is there any MP3 software that
avoids this problem and gives greater listening pleasure?
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Posted By: Kleynan
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 16:03
I'm only 17, so my record collection isn't very big yet. I've got about 80 LP's and 300 CD's. I don't even listen to half of the stuff, it belongs in the past.
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Posted By: moonlapse
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 17:05
I prefer listening to the whole album so in a way, I'm glad my collection is only about 250-300 CD's. If you have 3,000 albums altogether, you would have to listen to about 8 per day, every day, just to hear each album once per year.
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 18:39
I only listen to albums as a whole, so that doesn't matter at all
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Posted By: Nanook
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 19:14
One solution is the iPod or whatever mp3 suits your fancy. A 60 gig iPod can hold well over 10000 prog songs. The reason I specified 10K is the length of some prog songs vs pop type songs. 15000 short songs can fit on an iPod with the 60 gig drive.
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Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 19:22
I have...no where near 1000 album but I keep all the albums I own in an Excel spreadsheet so I know what I have.
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Posted By: Pulse
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 22:02
Australian wrote:
I have...no where near 1000 album but I keep all the albums I own in an Excel spreadsheet so I know what I have. |
I used to do that until about half a year ago. It worked fairly well with an auto filter but it was quite a bit of work to keep it organized. Now I use Windows Media Player 11 and I've had no problems (worth mentioning). It does an excellent of organizing your music files in whatever way you select. It can rip the files from a CD at any of the common bit rates. There's no pause between tracks. Of course you may run in to difficulties if you need to organize vinyls and casettes and if you don't run Windows you can't use Windows Media Player.
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 22:08
I have a pretty good memory when it comes to my CD collection, so I know where looking if im gonna listen to a favorite track of mine.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 16 2006 at 02:26
There are two possible reasons for that gap:
- Bad ripping software (which adds a few seconds of silence to the files) - Bad player
If you're using Windows, the best solution would be to use winamp to listen to the files. It has really many options, and one of them is gapless playback. With that you can even remove the small gap that standalone CD players have (it's only a fraction of a second, but nevertheless annoying).
If you want to try winamp let me know in this thread - and I'll explain how to configure gapless playback.
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Posted By: soundsweird
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 00:29
So, most of you went the high-tech route.... I should've mentioned that I don't even own a computer. I use the ones at work and in the recording studio, but not for burning CD's of my record collection.
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 03:57
Dragon Phoenix wrote:
The really good songs (the 600 or so that I rate 9-10/10) I have burned together on seperate CD's.
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yikes; I would never listen to songs outside the context of the whole album. in the same spirit I don't skip a song I don't like when listening to an album
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 03:59
One thousand plus? Here's my question...where do you sleep?!?
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 04:28
as everyone knows, dragons sleep on their hoards and proggers on their CDs
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 04:34
Heh. I keep all my CDs in a big stack; I store some, but gosh, these twenty to thirty or so, they're just so good...I never know when I'd want to listen to one!
Anyway, in the morning, I move them from my chair onto my bed, and visa versa at night.
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 07:50
BaldJean wrote:
as everyone knows, dragons sleep on their hoards and proggers on their CDs |
Mine are guarded by two fiercely cute cats.
I guess our collection is now in the region of 1500 or so - I used to keep notes of good/bad tracks, but eventually came round to BJ's way of thinking, ie the album should be listened to in its entirety to get each track in context (also, at my age, it's difficult to keep getting up & sitting down again, and I can never decide which of the 7 remote controls is the right one).
No - the real problem I have with a collection of that size is wanting to hear music, but looking through the collection and deciding I hate every album; things were so much easier when we only had a hundred or so...
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 08:24
BaldJean wrote:
Dragon Phoenix wrote:
The really good songs (the 600 or so that I rate 9-10/10) I have burned together on seperate CD's.
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yikes; I would never listen to songs outside the context of the whole album. in the same spirit I don't skip a song I don't like when listening to an album
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I also listen to whole albums whenever possible ... if I feel the urge to skip ahead, I rather put on a different album. Except for some mainstream albums which are track oriented, that is.
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Posted By: Paulieg
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 02:32
I have about 1300 CD's and run into the same problem. I listen to the whole CD and don't skip between tracks. With all these CD's there is no way I am going to be able to memorize each song on each release.
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Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 05:07
Dick Heath wrote:
Mike what annoys me about MP3 is the dropout between tracks - it was really annoying listening to the originally continuous soundtrack fo Kevin Gilbert The Shaming Of The True on that format fading and coming back between tracks. Is there any MP3 software that avoids this problem and gives greater listening pleasure?
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Rip musical entities of several tracks as a single mp3 file.
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Posted By: Bob Greece
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 05:12
Dick Heath wrote:
Mike what annoys me about MP3 is the dropout between tracks - it was really annoying listening to the originally continuous soundtrack fo Kevin Gilbert The Shaming Of The True on that format fading and coming back between tracks. Is there any MP3 software that avoids this problem and gives greater listening pleasure?
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I've heard there are some MP3 players where you can adjust the gap between tracks to zero ... I don't know which ones though.
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Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 07:29
I have vinyl dating back thirty years or so and have ripped most of them as single mp3s (the whole album on one mp3), but a lot of the great songs are also pulled out as separate files for CD-R compilations I can use in my car.
The cassettes (damn 80's!) I've mostly ripped too, but of course they don't sound quite as good.
All the CDs are ripped so I can play them from any PC in the house and also pull out individual tracks for compilation CD-Rs.
As far as listening, I have a pretty good memory, but for music that I know really well I'm not inclined to play the entire album every time I want to listen to it, unless it's a concept album in which case it really is one contiguous piece of music and should be listened to as such.
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Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 22:03
My Probelm:
I have roughly 800 albums I always listen to one album a night. However, I go into my room and at my desk look at my record collection for 10-15 minutes deciding what to listen to. I either have listned to it, enjoyed it thoroughly, and dont want it to lose appeal or I am not in the mood to listen to an album that I know must listen to at some point.
I blaze through albums like a wildfire. usually listen to them once, and return to them again to fully appreciate the virtues of them.
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: September 20 2006 at 22:34
There are some tunes I have just for making mixes with, but the albums are for me. I listen to the whole thing.
I just got an update for iTunes, and it solves the gap problem. I haven't examined it too closely on the iPod yet, but it may do the same.
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Posted By: k_crimson
Date Posted: September 21 2006 at 09:29
It's my dad's collection (about 2500) but the bands I would listen to are all on my iTunes. I think a lot of it's about age because I have no trouble remembering anything about the tracks. I can hear any 5-second piece of a song and tell you the band, the album, and the name of the song. Other way around, you give me the name of the song and I'll sing it and give you the artist and album.
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