Who says Black Metal singers suck?
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Topic: Who says Black Metal singers suck?
Posted By: Drew
Subject: Who says Black Metal singers suck?
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 17:46
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Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 18:00
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For me, Black Metal sucks as a whole. |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 18:09
 Very disturbing. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Bern
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 18:25
Don't cry. Your makeup will run. 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 18:43
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LM F'ING AO oh man.... god I love being old and only have to worry about being an Culture Club fan back in the day.. some day the kids that listen to this sh*t are going to wake up and claim never to have listened to black metal ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Bern
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 18:46
You've been a fan of Culture Club?! 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 18:50
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do you really want hurt mee... do you really want to make me cry.....
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 18:51
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He's greatful that Simon isn't one of the judges... ------------- 
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 18:52
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Damn I love videos like these. ------------- |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 20:35
That's got to be really hard on the throat -- just walk ten miles into the woods and try it!
Anyone who finds "singing" like that to be pleasurable, or puts "prog" in front of it, should be dragged out and SHOT.
 I really thought he was going to throw up! Just wait -- that will be the next generation's thing (they'll have to do something truly disgusting to offend that guy and his peers, should he ever manage to reproduce!)
 All that moronic anger makes for good cannon fodder -- next stop, the recruiting office....  ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 03:19
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I thought the funniest thing was between bouts of ...eeer ... vocalising, he had such an innocent, nay sweet smile...
I bet he loves his mummy... Aaaah - bless. ------------- 
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Posted By: darksinger
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 07:06
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keep in mind that quite a few prog metal bands started off as the "screaming scandinavians" (ulver, amorphis, opeth, ihsahn (with emperor)-just for starters)
he'd probably sound much better if he had a band behind him...although most black metal bands have since abandoned corpse paint... ------------- 
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Posted By: darksinger
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 07:19
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on second thought, he blows... -------------
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Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 10:29
That's not singing 
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 10:37
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Seen this before, good for a laugh, love their faces. Wonder who were the singers they put above his level though? I bet he's as interesting as that awful show gets. ------------- sig |
Posted By: darksinger
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 11:41
at least that "singing" is preferable to jon anderson's sissy vocals  -------------
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Peter Rideout wrote:Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 17:14
 Do you really think so? (Ah, when the prog and metal worlds collide.... )And does the fact that Anderson has a higher-pitched singing voice than most really make him a sissy? (To be completely honest, I found his voice hard to get into at first, as a young teen, too. But that's his real voice -- he's not distorting it to sound like an orc on helium, at least!)
If Anderson is a sissy, then Geddy Lee must be an absolute flamer, and many "screaming" metal-type singers must be complete panty-waisted girly men!
 All a matter of taste, I guess -- some folks actually enjoy pain, and perhaps that's just how 'he-men" sing, and perhaps I lack the requisite massive levels of testosterone to "get it."
Or perhaps that type of "singing" is just painful (and not just for the singer), and not worthy of being called singing....
Can we compromise, and just call that a type of very specialized "vocalizing?" (I can fake a demon or monster voice too, but I'll bet that 99% of the people on planet earth wouldn't normally call that stuff "singing." I think most would find it totally laughable (that's why that clip is on the web, after all), and extremely irritating.
Just for fun, imagine singing like that in church!
Still, no offense -- it's just art, and I was only kidding with the "dragged out and shot" remark.
 (Listening to that stuff is punishment enough for you! )------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 17:48
Me thinks someone took the bait ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 17:53
LOL...omg...tears... |
Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 18:00
 If you can, do. If you can't, don't even try |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 18:03
But you didn't use this little guy:
 Wah! Anyway, I still say that stuff is FUNNY, in a painful kind of way. Assuming someone much younger than me, still -- how can anyone take vocals like that seriously? Does it just relect and reinforce a very bleak, angry state of mind (is it cathartic, perhaps), or do kids only get into that stuff to shock and piss off their parents?Is it a case of "it feels good when I stop"?
Also seriously, if each generation comes up with art to rebel against and shock the previous one, then what, in gawd's name, will the kids of peole who like that stuff come up with? Is my "vomiting into a mic" concept really that far fetched? How about singing out one's arse?
Wtih art, can we never fairly say 'No, sorry, that's total CRAP"? (We say such things about lots of pop here all the time.)
Debate, folks: can art objectively be "bad?" What if it finds no audience? Does it need one? ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 18:07
(I got a mental image of that one...) |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 18:11
 That's it! I'm taking a drum machine and a micropyhone into the bathroom tomorrow morning -- see you in the charts! Don't know that I'd like the groupies, though.... ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 18:13
I must have this unheard of technology.
It it Canadian? How exotic.............  ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 18:14
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------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 18:16
Just call me Mr Clumsy Sausagefingers.
Mycraphone? ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 18:17
The thing about black metal (and extreme metal in general for that matter) is that it's an extremely esoteric style of music. The vocal style will seem outrageous to those who don't "get it", but for those few who can appreciate the style, we wouldn't want them to sing any other way. Extreme metal vocals are entirely inclined towards the style of music being played, I don't view it necessarily as a childish expression of anger or hatred in any way, and would even go so far as to say that I find them genuinely beautiful on certain occasions (early Ulver and Borknagar probably being the best examples). I had very much the same reaction as you did when I first heard them Peter, but I couldn't possibly see many of the bands I appreciate using any other type of vocals, it simply wouldn't fit them as well. It doesn't surprise me that you react this way to them, you're DEFINITELY not alone, but to those of us who actually do listen to this sort of thing there's FAR more to them than just angry, noisy bellowing. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 18:18
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^I await with baited breath Peter. As for vocals like that, it can only get better (cant get much worse). Note this is my personal opinion, I just dont like them. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Falling Flower
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 18:22
I think Slipknot actually did that the first time I saw them ------------- 
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Posted By: darksinger
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 21:05
he hit the bait so hard, in fact, he damn near took the fishing pole out of my hands... -------------
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Posted By: darksinger
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 21:24
agree entirely-black metal and death metal require intense vocals. alot of it, though, sounds better when that sort of vocals is accompanied by music that is equally fast and extreme. what is lame with that kid is that he nearly hawks up a loogie in the process... -------------
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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: September 06 2006 at 08:11
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The way Peter is constantly attacking "Extreme" metal and the way he keeps on insisting that just "angry kids" listen to that stuff is just ridiculous, childish, insulting and, may I add, regressive. Okay, you don't like it. Fine. We get it. We already got that a long time ago. But please, stop acting like you're looking at this 100% objectively and have the ability and the right to judge what is "Good art" and what is not.  |
Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: September 06 2006 at 14:17
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On that note... GROWWWWLLLAARRRAAARRRSSHHSHSRRAAAASAAATAAANNNRAAAARRAAAAABLOOOODDDDDDCCCCCUUUTTINGRAAASRSSSHHHHHHH (ducks and hides) |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: September 06 2006 at 15:11
Remember, in the end, it's just music we are fighting over here (but we're hopefully not fighting any more)! Let's remember that, and keep this in perspective -- I'm not the antichrist, and neither, perhaps I do think and care about other's feelings, my behaviour and how I am perceived, and I acknowledge when I am wrong, or when I needlessly offend others. I did not feel too good about that original post, upon walking home, and I apologise for my seeming disrespect and "baiting" of metal fans here once more.
I intend to do much less of it -- if any!
As Maani would say:
PEACE! ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: September 06 2006 at 15:14
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My favorite black metal singer has to be Shagrath from Dimmu Borgir. Love the way he growls and his variety of growls. His best album is probably Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia. Excellent album!!! ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: darksinger
Date Posted: September 06 2006 at 16:23
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Posted By: darksinger
Date Posted: September 06 2006 at 16:24
stop crossing your fingers behind your back -------------
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: September 06 2006 at 16:54
No, I meant it. That's part of the problem with text-based communication among strangers -- it's hard to guage sincerity!
(That's why I like emoticons, especially these little fellows:    )Okay, I'll never like that kind of music or vocals, I'm sure, but neither would my grandfather have ever developed a fondness for Led Zeppelin -- I know 95% of their stuff would have been painful "noise" to him, but yet, he would not have judged me an "angry moron" just for liking it.
And again, I must wonder -- what will the future music that will irritate today's extreme metal fans sound like? I am sure it is coming (art has to keep "pushing the envelope"), but I just can't imagine what it will be. Car and plane crashes set to a beat? (I think that has been done via "industrial" music, but not to immense popularity.) Or has music gone as far as it really can in the "dissonant" direction, and will today's teens be driven up the wall when they are old by a "pendulum swing" back toward melody and silly, simple love songs ala the 50s?
Just wondering. I find it interesting, but hard to predict!
BTW, do you folks know the distorted voice at the intro to Black Sabbath's "Paranoid?" (You know, the "I am iron man" part), and the distorted vocal intro to Crimson's 21st Century Schizoid Man? I was thinking of them after I wrote that post yesterday -- do you think they may have inspired, or set the precedent, for today's extreme metal metal "growling" vocals? Did Crimson give birth to those vocal techniques?
What do you think, music fans?------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: September 06 2006 at 20:14
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Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: September 06 2006 at 23:57
Dead on. It doesn't really proport to be, so judging it as so as useless as comparing a drum roll to a keboard solo. It's just another tool in the musical aresnal of extreme metal bands. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: September 07 2006 at 00:10
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(I repeat) BTW, do you folks know the distorted voice at the intro to Black Sabbath's "Paranoid?" (You know, the "I am iron man" part), and the distorted vocal intro to Crimson's 21st Century Schizoid Man? I was thinking of them after I wrote that post yesterday -- do you think they may have inspired, or set the precedent, for today's extreme metal metal "growling" vocals? Did Crimson give birth to those vocal techniques?
What do you think, music fans?------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: September 07 2006 at 04:10
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It's possible... I would say that extreme metal vocal styles (both death metal's guttural growling and black metal's higher shrieking) evolved from different takes on thrash metal's agressive vocal styles (after all, pretty much all early death and black metal bands have a very sizeable amount of thrash influence in their sound and could easily be considered thrash had it not been for the evolution of their own genres), which in turn were largely inspired by punk. That's just my opinion though. |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: September 07 2006 at 07:55
And given that John Lydon was a self confessed VDGG & King Crimson fan... and so on, and so back in time; to turn the 'inspiration line' the other way, how will current death metal vocalising inspire future generations? Will we end up with a timeline stretching from 1969's 'Court Of The Crimson King' to 2012's 'Several Species Of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together In A Cave And Vomiting' to 2020's 'Music From Airport Lavatories'? -------------
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: September 07 2006 at 07:57
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By the way, I love the fact a thread regarding black metal singers sits happily in the "Discussions not related to music" forum -------------
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: darksinger
Date Posted: September 08 2006 at 12:08
HEY! That's from "Electric Current" by Zyklon! you a fan, too?
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: September 08 2006 at 21:28
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Black Metal sucks.....
Although this was hilarious
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Posted By: Leningrad
Date Posted: September 08 2006 at 21:34
WHERE is the God that guides my hand?
HOW can the hands of others reach me? WHEN will I find what I grope for? WHO is going to teach me? |
Posted By: Kleynan
Date Posted: September 09 2006 at 08:27
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f**kING DISTURBING!! If Simon were there, he'd rip his head off... Which that guy clearly deserves... Man, I'm going to have a bad dream tonight ------------- 
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Posted By: Falling Flower
Date Posted: September 09 2006 at 12:43
Choose your words more carfull or you'll have a bunch of metalheads wanting to kill you. -------------
Tool makes the butterflies in my tumybox go woooooooosh |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: September 09 2006 at 14:04
Soooo many people already want to kill me already though
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