Zeppelin wannabes
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Topic: Zeppelin wannabes
Posted By: Rob The Plant
Subject: Zeppelin wannabes
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 02:03
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I was reading an article about AC/DC, which claimed that they were the most influential rock band of the 70's, which angered me. I like AC/DC at times; for casual listening, but they are too repetitive, and simly a rip off Zeppelin band , following in Zeppelin's wake of success. They're not the only ones, Guns and Roses come to mind, and others. Damn them all, nobody can top Plant's vocals! ------------- Collaborators will take your soul. |
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Posted By: Rob The Plant
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 02:05
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Magic in progress.
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Posted By: chorus of one
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 04:45
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Zeppelin are far superior of course. I'm no big AC/DC fan, but I never thought they sounded that similar really. |
Posted By: Emperor
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 05:11
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I rarely like "wannabe"-s bands. Speaking about LZ-influenced bands as usual i get to remember about Kingdom Come... ------------- I Prophesy Disaster... |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 06:33
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Diamond Head were initially hailed as the New Led Zeppelin with the release of the legendary "White Album" - but there were no real similarities there. The only similarities between AC/DC and LZ are that they both play rock and roll. There it ends - but AC/DC are probably the most influential because their riffs are (on the whole) easier to play by budding guitarists. So many bands started out sounding like AC/DC soundalikes; Def Leppard and the Darkness being the most obvious - but I doubt that AC/DC ever had pretentions to be Led Zep II, because they rarely sound serious - it's all about good time rock'n'roll. Their very first album, High Voltage (the Australian version, NOT the European/American later release) shows what they are about, with that mad cover of "Baby Please Don't Go", and their own "Show Business". The Kangaroo-hopping, fast rifferama and insane yet melodic blues solos contrast very well with Bon Scott's sleazy drawl. Now Kingdom Come (2) were definitely trying to be Zeppelin - but who cares? LZ were the greatest at the time, and are now legends - a benchmark that has not been surpassed in their genre. |
Posted By: Kashmir
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 07:50
| Each person has personal opinion ,and if they said AC/DC is the most influential rock band of the 70's ,it's ok ! But to me Led Zeppelin is the most influential hard rock band of all time ! |
Posted By: Emperor
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 09:33
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I also can recommend Living Blues and Budgie - both bands are not wannabes, but in some sense they have some things close to Zeppelin's sound... ------------- I Prophesy Disaster... |
Posted By: Rob The Plant
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 12:52
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Would they have been so succesful without Zeppelin? I'm thinking mostly about the vocals. Thin about when they came out, there first album was 74' I think, and Zeppelin's was 68'. Right? ------------- Collaborators will take your soul. |
Posted By: Dead Jester
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 12:54
| Rob The Plant and Jimmy The Page |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 12:55
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I agree with The Plank here. AC/DC have been plagiarising Zep for 30 odd years now. At least Rush only did it until 1975.
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Rob The Plant wrote:
Posted By: Wizard/TRueStar
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 12:56
| Anyone notice almost every AC/DC song has THE SAME DRUM BEAT!!!!??? |
Posted By: Rob The Plant
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 12:57
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Indeed. AC/DC is a watered down Zeppelin. Rush broke off into a sound all their own. ------------- Collaborators will take your soul. |
Posted By: Rob The Plant
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 12:58
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Maybe it's the only one they bothered to learn. ------------- Collaborators will take your soul. |
Posted By: Kashmir
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 13:09
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Exactly ,it's the AC/DC specific characteristic ....almous of AC/DC songs has similar drum beat .It's Hard Rock Drum Style ...!
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Posted By: Rob The Plant
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 13:18
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don't forget John The Paul The Jones, and John The Bonham. ------------- Collaborators will take your soul. |
Posted By: Kashmir
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 13:22
And one thing to remember is that John Bonham was the good drinker |
Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 13:24
In answer to the title of the thread: yes. Zeppelin are wannabes.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/sollipsist/?chartstyle=kaonashi"> 
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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 13:25
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Considering, at least here in the states, ACDC didn't even show up till 78 or 79 it is pretty hard to consider them the best rock band of the decade. I always lumped them in with the 80's bands. I did see them in 79 opening up for Areosmith. I thought Areosmith was better. ------------- 
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 14:03
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 14:09
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What a whole lot of bollocks AC/DC is obviously Australian, and Led Zeppelin is Britpop. So what's there to compare. ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 14:14
I see the Season Of Goodwill is over!
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Posted By: Whoa Is Me
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 14:16
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not much really ...
they all sound the same to me ... sorry ...  its hard to get pasionate bout them ...------------- I too once thought the radio played, Let's act like children while we sleep paralyzed |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 14:16
They both sound identical when played backwards.
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 14:23
Shame the States is so far behind the rest of the world AC/DC were formed in 1973 and hit the big time in 1974 with a single called Jailbreak. Like many rock bands, Led Zep were influences, but so were the Rolling Stones and, more obviously, true rock'n'roll such as Chuck Berry (AC/DC covered "School Days" on the album TNT. It's obvious, from their back catalogue, that they never tried to be anything other than a hard rock'n'roll band. Who cares whether anyone was better? AC/DC are the best at what they do. Any just why we are comparing two incomparable, non-prog bands on a prog rock forum is beyond me |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 14:23
They both sound identical when played backwards.
[/QUOTE] Ah - that's what I was missing |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 14:29
Ah - that's what I was missing [/QUOTE] That and a good sense of hearing -------------
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Posted By: Dead Jester
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 14:38
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Well there´s no Reed wannabes
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 15:30
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Nobody wants to be dead either ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 15:44
Led Zeppelin were just Rolling Stones, Yardbirds, Cream and Bluesbreakers wannabees... 
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Posted By: Rob The Plant
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 17:19
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Go Screw Yourself ------------- Collaborators will take your soul. |
Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 19:10
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Go Plant Yourself ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/sollipsist/?chartstyle=kaonashi">
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Posted By: Petra
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 19:29
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Ooooh and don't forget that Led Zep were Spirit wannabes so much so that they stole their tune Stairway to Heaven from Spirit's track 'Taurus' ------------- Don't hate me I'm not special like you |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 19:33
Yes, and Kashmir is just a re-hash of "She Loves You" by The Beatles. -------------
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Posted By: Petra
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 19:36
Haha!! Did you know that I saw Led Zep's last UK concert at Knebworth in 1979
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 19:39
I was there too! First night. They played a great version of Spirit's "Taurus" that night. -------------
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Posted By: Petra
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 19:43
Heh...They sure did not that i actually remember much i was frickin outta my head seriously were you there? Can you remember who supported them? Cos I have tried to remember but can't ...I know they came on really late about 11pm and there was a shed load of bands before.
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 19:58
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Wasn't it Fairport Convention and Utopia? I was distracted by large quantities of alcohol, weed and the attentions of a rather pretty but promiscuous young lady. Mind you, I rolled off when Zep came on! -------------
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Posted By: Petra
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 20:08
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Utopia yes! that maybe right Oh those were the days... ------------- Don't hate me I'm not special like you |
Posted By: Rob The Plant
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 20:15
You can go screw yourself too. Stole. BAH! ------------- Collaborators will take your soul. |
Posted By: Sound Chaser
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 20:16
That doesn't bug me as much as the fact the %99 of AC/DC songs start the exact same way! I don't think AC/DC is anything like a Zep ripoff band. AC/DC is as stated before just about good time rock and roll. It's not super serious music it's but it's fun to listen too. |
Posted By: Rob The Plant
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 20:16
Man, I would kill to be there. |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 20:19
Now then Mr Plank that is no way to speak to a lady. -------------
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Posted By: Rob The Plant
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 20:22
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My deepest most sincere apologees! ------------- Collaborators will take your soul. |
Posted By: Petra
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 20:23
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[/QUOTE] Why I outta.... ------------- Don't hate me I'm not special like you |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: December 27 2004 at 20:24
Why I outta.... [/QUOTE] but you wont because you are a lady! -------------
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Posted By: Whoa Is Me
Date Posted: December 28 2004 at 08:46
dude don't worry, bands tend to rip off tracks without knowing all the time ... my dad seems to rec. that :- LZ - Kashmir RATM - Wake Up were the same ....
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Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: December 28 2004 at 11:35
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I don't know about RATM, but I heard a P. Diddy song that reminds me of Kashmir... ...maybe that's just because it was Kashmir, with some sub-par rapping on top. Now if he'd done a version of "Hot Dog"...that would have intrigued me. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/sollipsist/?chartstyle=kaonashi">
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: December 28 2004 at 12:47
The P.Diddy song (Come With Me) was done with the complete co-operation of Jimmy Page. Page appeared on the video.I actually quite like it.I mean it couldnt be worse than the film, could it? Roland Emmerich is a great director isn't he ? -------------
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: December 28 2004 at 15:08
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Dude - you need to listen to AC/DC from "High Voltage" (1975) up to "Back in Black" (1980) - then try saying the same thing! |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: December 28 2004 at 15:11
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Al right then. 66% of AC/DC songs start exact the same way! ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: December 28 2004 at 15:31
That's why we love 'em - and that's why they're so different to Led Zep 
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: December 28 2004 at 15:56
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AC/DC are a tribute band. The Australian Status Quo anyone? -------------
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: December 28 2004 at 16:02
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That's not true - Status Quo learned a 4th chord, and were so excited they wrote "Living on an Island". AC/DC have NEVER learned a 4th chord. |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: December 28 2004 at 17:08
Would that be Yes's "Chord Of Life"? -------------
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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: December 28 2004 at 17:11
More like Moody Blues in Search of the Lost Chord imho..... -------------
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Posted By: the musical box
Date Posted: December 28 2004 at 17:39
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Whatever,i dont think theres much of an argument here. AC/DC are average musicians with a specific formula that appeals to AVERAGE listeners, so of cource they arent going to be highly appealing to sophisticated gents like ourselves. They even admit theyve been making the same damn album for 30 years!! Their formula works for what they try to achieve: UNLIKE Zeppelin, their goal has never been to break musical barriers They're just fun , mindless rock at its best. ------------- something pretentious |
Posted By: Rob The Plant
Date Posted: January 01 2005 at 12:56
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And The Musical Box kills the forum! ------------- Collaborators will take your soul. |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: January 01 2005 at 13:00
There are similarities in the opening riff, definitely. |
Posted By: Rob The Plant
Date Posted: January 01 2005 at 13:09
Over such a long time it would be hard not to find some repetiotion. ------------- Collaborators will take your soul. |
Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: January 01 2005 at 13:24
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AC/DC are a f***in fantastic rock and roll band and
anyway who says otherwise is a fool. Anyone who can listen the final crashing section of Riff Raff and not leap around in wild, joyous abandon is probably dead, at least from the neck up. Comparing them to Zepp is like comparing a fish to a bicycle. Both are brilliant but there is nothing alike in their approaches. AC/DC are a fun, boogie band who also wrote some genuinely brilliant three-chord trick pop songs - Back in Black, Sin City, Gone Shootin', Let's Get it Up, Touch too Much etc etc etc. This does not make them bad musicians as some twits have pointed out here. Angus Young is in fact a remarkably good guitar player. His touch is wonderful and his vibrato technique to die for, Any man who can do all he does with tone with just the volume pot on his Gibson SG and some cranked Marshalls earns my undying respect. Just listen to the guitars solos on Night Prowler, Ride On, Riff Raff, it's incredibly good playing. AC/DC rule, period. |
Posted By: Captain Fudge
Date Posted: January 01 2005 at 15:12
You know, back in '87, when Nirvana formed, both Cobain and Novoselic were HUGE Led Zep wannabes. Of course, it doesn't show in later works, not even on their first album("Bleach", in'89); by the time of In Utero, they had completely shifted away from ripping Zep off . The only clear clues to the fact that they were trying to copy Led Zeppelin were the tons of covers they made of songs like Heartbraker, and Kurt's attempts to find himself an unique voice:songs like Hairspray Queen, Mexican Seafood or Beeswax, from their 1992 Incesticide. What next? ------------- 
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